Xbox finally joins PS3 with new 3D update

The latest Xbox 360 update which will be available via the latest batch of games and most likely via Xbox Live in the coming days finally places the Xbox 360 on an even keel with the PS3.

[disturbing_flame]

Looks like Sony was not so wrong with this 3d trend.

[Titanz]

Anyways...

3D still has a decent way to go, before it becomes mainstream.

[RaidensRising]

I think what he means is, now MS are taking it more seriously perhaps Sony were and are right to support it so heavily.

[kingdoms]

I think he means the increased support for 3D is industry wide from hollywood and other electronics makers and was baffled someone would claim other companies use what Sony does as a guide.

JoGam No one is jealous of 3D some gamers still think it's rubbish and degrades the quality of games graphical potential and the way they run. Doesn't mean all gamers don't wan't 3D hense the update.

[gamingdroid]

MS from what I remember simply said, 3D support will come if the market demands it. They weren't pushing 3D since they weren't trying to sell you a TV like Sony.

I have a feeling 3D will be a fad at this rate, since it has long been pushed, but the uptake has been slow due to high cost, comfort (wearing glasses), incompatible technology and (potentially baseless) health reports.

[Godmars290]

But it was Sony who created the demand for 3D. With MS eventually responding.

Not that it isn't waste of time in its current state. A fad.

Edit:
As far as gaming goes, Sony was the first to really talk about. MS largely dismissed it, until they found a way to do it. And I'm certain that at some point, if they haven't already, they'll attempt to say they're leading the market as far as the tech goes.

[gamingdroid]

I never claimed otherwise, but to be fair Sony isn't the only one pushing 3D. Samsung and a host of other TV/Blu-Ray player manufacturers all are. Even Nvidia is pushing 3D, more so when it was an exclusive feature to PC.

That said, you know 3D is in trouble when a 24" 3D capable TV cost $500 is considered a "deal" when a quality 40" TV is available right next to it. Note, that the viewing size difference is about twice...

Until 3D is essentially a free standard with TVs, I don't think the uptake will be significant. We are years from that.

[Sarcasm]

I actually agree with gamingdroid. There's just too many issues plaguing the push for 3D.

The biggest overlooked one is the fact that people who just bought a regular LCD not too long ago do not want to fork out more money for a 3DTV, I being one of them.

I still enjoy the bejesus out of my 46" Samsung that is now 3 years old. Movies and games still look great, and I'm not about to part ways with it just to spend more cash on a 3DTV.

[deadpoole]

Sony has always been about innovation with market study and research that makes them sure 99% of times that whatever they launch will be success.

Well rest are nothing but followers and cant be said the same about them ... eg MS ... so many and I mean so many failed products ... Zune is one of em.

[DaTruth]

We probably wouldn't even know what Sony was if they hadn't ignored the naysayers when they said: "Who the hell wants to walk around with music in their ears" and "till they can do it without those funny ear things, forget it"

[gcolley]

too bad sony are stuck with LED 3D TVs, no match for plasma. sorry fanboys, do a bit of research. and sony did not "create demand for 3D" WTF?? man there are some seriously delusional people on this site

this site is just getting worse and worse

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

Seems like MS mustve got a demand for it and apparently they will deliver. At least it's not a demand that can't be accomplished like other feature(s) that people were/are wanting, but won't be getting...

[Ulf]

@gcolley,

You sound like you've never seen a full array LED in action.

[darthv72]

3d and kinect could make for some interesting gameplay experiences. Things popping out at you and you just want to reach out and touch them.

3d video chat with the person right in your living room.

[ChrisW]

One thing people don't understand about 3D is that there are VERY FEW GAMES that are actually worth playing in 3D for long periods of time. FPSs like BFBC2, look great in 3D but are darn near impossible to play because of the whole depth perception thing. Only FPSs with auto-aim, like Just Cause 2, are just as fun to play in 3D.

However, the only games that I've enjoyed playing in 3D are side scrolling, like Trine, and top-down or 3/4 view games, like Dungeon Siege III.

[Rush]

@deadpoole

If Sony is about innovation BTW 3D is not innovative.....

And 99 percent of the time everything they make is a success and MS often fails please explain the following.

1) How come Sony has been posting yearly loses for the past 2/3 years.

2) How come Microsoft is posting yearly profits.

3) Please list 5 innovate products Sony has released in the past 2 years.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

Deadpool, you're making Sony fans look bad...

[Biggest]

Wow, dude. You need five brand new products in a two year span to convince you that Sony is an innovator? Don't be so sad about the truth. Sony is an extremely innovative company. They've already been instrumental in the two most recent popular media storage units. Sony is a major reason that we aren't still watching movies on VHS. They also had a large influence in the portability of music as someone above me mentioned. The iPod doesn't happen without the Walkman. The adoption of 3D in homes is taking off thanks to a large push by Sony, BluRay, and the PS3. It is extremely clear to humans, excluding you, that Sony is innovative.

Innovation is not a pre-requisite for profit. Windows is not a new product. The Microsoft Office Suite is not a new product. Do you think that Call of Duty will continue to make billions because of its innovation? Has Madden reinvented itself? You made pointless arguments to make yourself feel better about Microsoft joining the party in its final hour. Deal with it like a man/woman/boy/girl.

[rjdofu]

@gcolley: then maybe it's time for you to leave. just sayin.

[death2smoochie]

@Deadpool

"Sony has always been about innovation with market study and research that makes them sure 99% of times that whatever they launch will be success."

Every media and or Storage format Sony brought out, except Blu Ray has failed. From Beta-Max to UMD to Mini Disks and the list goes on...those products failed.
And from the look of things, Blu-Ray won't have the same shelf life DVD or VHS enjoyed based on recent data and how average consumers are turning more and more to on-demand and DD for their movie fixes instead of Optical media.
If Block Buster and other outlets such as those are an indication, optical media has a tough road ahead.

Btw...No company is 99% successful. Not MS. Not Apple. Not IBM. Not Nvidia etc...And Especially not Sony.
Sony has been in financial restructure 3 times since the 1990's. I call that FAR from being 99% successful in their business pursuits.

[JoGam]

Now all the people whinning about 3D who are really jealous of it can play it now on the 360.

[BX81]

360 gamers already could play in 3d.

[CrazyOrange]

yea SBS 3D is possible in 3D.
I played Crysis 2 in 3D

[DEA Fresh]

Crysis 2 and COD Black ops both had stereoscopic 3D support on the 360. I know more games had it but those are the only 2 I played myself in 3D.

Either way. MS has nothing to lose. Sony is the one putting all it's weight and money behind 3D. But just like with Bluray, Sony's real interest is Hollywood. Their movie divison makes way more than the playstation brand ever could. They just use the Playstation to get their future medium into your living room and help it gain widespread adaption

[Angrymorgan]

Yea, crisis 2could be played in 3d on 360 at launch

[jetlian]

MS fixed the whole guide button in 3d modes. Press the guide button, achievement, or someone kind of message and it looks horrible. the guide button doesn't function in 3d like on ps3!

So hopefully thats what they fixed

[seinfan]

The technology hasn't made much progress in the 100 years or so it's existed.

[JsonHenry]

^^ Exactly what I was thinking.

[morganfell]

The same can be said about the automobile and only a small number of people think cars are unnecessary.

[Biggest]

Go back and look at 3D in the 80's/90's. You'll be amazed at the progress it has made over the years.

[newn4gguy]

I find it hard to believe that you didn't see Avatar.

[Kurt Russell]

Until I can switch to the adult channel in my holodeck I am not happy!

[Megaton]

Nah, they're still wrong. Now Microsoft is wrong, too.

[Shepherd 214]

agreed. although 3D is a nice little diversion, or more harshly put, a gimmick, it truly is only a way to get more money from the consumer. Companies need a fresh new idea, and 3D is it for them.

Movie ticket prices inflated, companies expecting you to rebuy your TV for 3D purposes, eventually games may even cost more do to their 3D support.

[TyrannoTaurus]

Sony has a vested interest in making 3D popular. Microsoft has a vested interest in competing with Sony. Logic dictates both moves be made eventually. Nothing more, nothing less.

[kreate]

the thing is ... sometimes it doesnt matter if u (gamers in general) like 3d or not. cuz if the girl in the house wants it. pretty much u or ur household will be getting it this christmas.

remember, its not about whether the product is good or not, its about marketing and forcing the technology down people's throats to a point where the average consumer who believes in fox news thinks its good and that they want it.

i dont like 3d movies. but i watch it cuz my gf wants to watch it.

[tee_bag242]

You're right about the Fox news bit. But grow some balls with the girlfriend situation lol

[ReservoirDog316]

Yeah, sony wasn't the first to bring up 3d. I can say it all but it's pretty well worded (and entertaining) when said by Yahtzee.

http://www.escapistmagazine...

http://www.escapistmagazine...

And those are his articles, not videos so he's not being sarcastic.

3d's just terribly worthless and undervalues everything that it's attached to.

[Clarence]

Exactly. Remeber when M$ said 3d was not important. They said that Sony was trying to force people to buy new 3d tvs.
http://www.vg247.com/2011/0...
Now they are embraccing it. M$ always seems to be behind when it comes to taking chances on something new.

Sony has taken big chances this gen with the PS3 and its paying off. Blu-ray, and now 3d. M$ is playing catch up as usual. They like to see what others do before they step out there themselves. Which is why there has been nothing innovatitve from the company in a long time.

[ghaleon1980]

....and of course a ridiculous anti-MS comment like this gets mostly "agrees" on N4G.com....

[bozebo]

@ghaleon1980

he's right though

[TheXgamerLive]

I think 3D in video gaming as we know it will not continue. to many issues. however 3D movies "yes".

We'll probably see a more immersive look and feel to gaming in the upcoming 2013 give or take next gen systems.

3D gaming as of right now, blahhh. nobody has yet to glorify it and with good reason.

[kneon]

I find 3D for movies at home far less interesting than 3D for games.

And there aren't many issues with 3D, the cost of the TV's is coming down rapidly, soon all but the cheapest TV's will support 3D as the added cost is negligible. The cost of glasses has plummeted and by years end we're supposed to have a standard in place so glasses and tv's from different manufacturers can work together.

And Sony provides the added bonus of full screen "split screen", though without the 3D. I hate using only a half or quarter screen for local multiplayer so this is a huge improvement as you'll get to use the whole screen even when playing with others.

[evilunklebud]

3d in its current state is a dead end, imho.

many directors are refusing to film in it... chris nolan and the upcoming batman come to mind.

[YogiBear]

He didn't film in 3D because the first two weren't either. He didn't want the last film to(forgive the pun)stick out because it was 3D. As for your comment on the state of 3D. I disagree and my list will help in the destruction of your argument.

Spielberg-The Adventures of Tintin
P. Jackson-Both Hobbit films
Scorsese-Hugo
Bay-Transformers 3
Burton-Alice in Wonderland
Cameron-Avatar trilogy and release of Titanic3D
Lucas-Star Wars Saga re-released in 3D

You can argue all you want about a list with more directors but those names above are guaranteed to put asses in to movie theater seats. Once they got on board it's safe to assume 3D is not going away.

[Biggest]

"many directors. . . one guy"

That doesn't really make sense, bro.

[newn4gguy]

Exactly! Peter Jackson is embracing it and actually filming at 48 FPS, so that the action shots are more smooth than in other 3D films that are shot at only 24 FPS. I can't WAIT for The Hobbit!

[evilunklebud]

Sigh... ok... Nolan turned down 3d for inception, which is the film I'm referring to. Also, Nolan had the choice to film all the Dark Knights series in 3d but declined, saying he felt limited by the technology.

Anyway, box-office recipes for 3D films are declining, compared to their 2d counterparts. A good article from The Wrap lists the directors Yogi talks about, and how they are 3Ds last hope.

I also know that Bay is not a fan of it, the same for Uwe Boll and Jason Reitman.

[subtenko]

Im happy for the xbox only owners as anyone who already has a ps3 has the convenience.

I wonder if the support now will influence the future consoles.

Agree or Disagree if you Agree

[fr0sty]

One issue with the comments this article makes:

360 still has to work around it's 10MB frame buffer, which can barely hold a 720p frame and cannot fit in a 1080p frame without the use of tiling. This means the best it can do at 3D is splitting one 720p frame into two images (each half 720p resolution) and sending them to the TV. In addition to this, the output is capped at 30 fps per eye since HDMI 1.2 is not able to send more than 60fps (PS3's HDMI 1.3 supports up to 120fps.)

Neither console does 3D all that well, but 360 has some additional bottlenecks that prevent it from doing 3D as well as PS3 can. So, the "finally places 360 on an even keel with PS3" comment is far from true.

Other than that, it's good to see Microsoft finally adopting 3D. I welcome competition in this area, because it'll push the others to release better 3D experiences in the future. Wii U will probably stomp both systems when it comes to 3D, as it'll likely have more RAM to work with and a better GPU.

On top of that, other than the TV size detection, 360 has already supported it's form of 3D for some time, so this really isn't news.

[qwertyz]

consoles cannot do proper 3d. proper 3d requires the following:

1 framebuffer for each eye(2 framebuffers in total)
1 alpha buffer for each eye(2 alpha buffers in total)
1 DISTINCT frame rendered for each eye(2 frames in total)

now most console games only do the following

1 framebuffer for each eye(2 framebuffers in total)-
1 alpha buffer for each eye(2 alpha buffers in total)

games like kilzone 3, uncharted 3 and other 30fps games that support 3d never to the last and most important part which is rendering 1 frame for each eye because it cuts frame rate in HALF therefore killzone 3 in TRUE stereoscopic 3d will run at 15FPS which is UNPLAYABLE.

so consoles don't do true stereoscopic 3d as all 3 of the above are needed. now all console games look significantly WORSE when doing their usual half baked stereoscopic 3d. why ? because the frame and alpha buffer resolutions are cut in half(to accommodate a second frame and alpha buffers) this jaggies to be far more pronounced and the image to look far more washed out in the half baked 3d than in 2d this was the case in killzone 3

dvd space doesn't limit 3d performance please do some research. and blu- ray isn't needed I'm a pc gamer and metro 2033 takes up less than 10gb space yet makes uncharted 2/3 gears 3, killzone 2/3, crysis 2 console verison and ALL other console games look like ps2 games. so what does that tell you ? blu ray is storage media and NOTHING else what drives the game is processing power, ram and memory bandwidth which consoles lack. in fact a 2005 dual gpu pc is more powerful than ps3/360 did you even know that ? 512mb ram both consoles use has been outdated since 2004 lol the ps3 was never a powerful machine EVEN most multiplats that have made it to pc in the last few years take a dump on uncharted 3 graphics LOL

the 10mb edram isn't a bottleneck for 360 in fact its an advantage. why? because the bandwidth supplies the ROPS with more than enough bandwidth to run at full capacity aside from that the 360 can easily tile ANOTHER frame buffer into RAM and 360 does have more usable ram than ps3 because of its lighter OS.

In ps3s case the RAM is split and at times the same render targets are needed by both the rsx and spes o therefore will have to be copied into BOTH the GDDR3 and xdr which means that some ram will go to waste but if the ps3 had a unified memory architecture and both cpu and gpu had access to the same pool of ram they'll be no need for that the only other way to reduce the amount of ram wasted is to copy back and forth from xdr to gddr3 which takes PROCESSING TIME so increases LATENCY and results in some performance loss. the ps3 also has less usable ram and FAR less memory bandwidth(20gb/s compared to 256gb/s edram bandwidth) that will have to support 2 frame and 2 alpha buffers in half baked stereoscopic 3d which is a much bigger challenge for ps3 than it is for 360 because 360 has more ram and far more memory bandwidth available to its ROPS and pixel processors.

the ps3s only advantage in 3d mode is its hdmi 1.3 that is IT. do your research and you'll understand that what I'm saying is indeed true. because 360 didn't support stereoscopic 3d initially doesn't mean it cannot do it.

[likedamaster]

Sony ain't pushing anything but their TVs. I know so many Sony diehards bailing and going with Samsung, it's astonishing. But I digress, I've seen some 3D plasmas that blew me away when I saw them. I'm all for it, even if this 3D thing doesn't last.

on topic/

Good for microsoft. It was only a matter of time.

[StarWolf]

no, it just means you gotta have what the competitors have. All 3 now have motion and 3d hardware. "Looks like nintendo was not so wrong with motion gaming"

[bunt-custardly]

Go forth and bring on the Gears 3D :)

[Why o why]

true, im 3d'uped. I'd be enjoying both gears and uncharted IF epic pull a rabbit out. Im in this up to my neck already so bring it on

[Kleptic]

I take it this is just for games?..I'm only asking because I don't really understand all this 3D stuff anyway, from a hardware perspective anyway...

You need HDMI 1.3x or higher for 3D video content right?...or is that just for Blu Ray 3D, and you can play downloaded/streamed 3D over whatever the publisher allows?...

good for 360 gamers if they use it...personally it makes me sick unless i'm sitting perfectly still...

[JOLLY1]

Kleptic, HDMI isn't needed at all. It is a very nice feature to have everything run through one cable, that is all. 1080P has been around long before HDMI. I have a receier that does analog 7.1 surround. 3d has been around forever. THe studios want HDMI because it is a safeguard for pirates.

[Dark_Overlord]

I found this a good read relating to 3D on both consoles (ignore the title, read further down)

http://community.us.playsta...

[Kleptic]

cool...You do need HDMI for BD 3D though (as well as 1080p for Blu Ray movies, or you soon will), but like you mentioned, its an anti-piracy thing...

[JOLLY1]

Actually of you have a 3d laptop screen it doesn't need HDMI at all. Once again, Blu Ray players have HDMI that is why you need it. No other reason.

[Kleptic]

We are kind of saying the same thing...and frosty answered it better than me, but that is what I was talking about...

Its required for a lot of copyright reasons (HDMI I mean), but its not 'just' that in all cases...Newer HDMI protocols are capable of bandwidths that no form of analog cables are...for no other reason other than hardware makers and publishers FINALLY agreeing enough to make a standard...

so you are completely correct that you don't have to have HDMI for 3D...but to get what is becoming the standard 3D from retail movie publishers...you do...because of a combination of copyright protection measures AND increased bandwidth that HDMI 1.4 allows...

that has nothing to do with games on either platform, so this is irrelevant for 3D gaming on either console this generation...

of course you need HDMI for 3D out of blu ray players...but wouldn't out of a laptop with an attached screen...because blu ray players now only ship with HDMI outputs...i'm just saying its not just copyright protection that blu ray players have HDMI...its been developed to a point where it clearly exceeds performance over any analog cables available...

[fr0sty]

3DTVs do require a HDMI connection for 3D, however Jolly1 is correct in a partial sense. 3D is capable of being delivered over analog, but you will be capped with a 30fps per eye frame rate and the image quality isn't anywhere near as good (same goes for 1080p over analog, 30fps max as it uses the same bandwidth as 1080i's 60 fields per second). So, the requirement of HDMI by the vast majority of 3DTVs is not exactly only forced by copy protection. The increased bandwidth allows for faster frame rates and higher resolutions than component will allow. For instance, you wouldn't be able to do Super Stardust HD's 120fps 3D at 720p over component at all. Just not enough bandwidth.

360's HDMI 1.2 will deliver sub-HD 3D at 60FPS (technically HDMI 1.2 is capable of true 720p 3D at 60fps, but the 360 is bottlenecked to sub 720p by it's 10MB frame buffer not being able to fit 2 720p frames at once in it, so the 3D images have to share one 720p frame by splitting it in half and using each half for each eye's frame.). PS3's HDMI 1.3 (which is 1.4 compliant for 3D) has double the bandwidth, allowing enough to fit 1080p at 120fps 3D, however due to PS3's bottlenecks you only get 720p 3D at 120fps MAX on PS3 (for games, movies can do 1080p 3D). Sony says PS3 is capable of doing 1080p 3D in game also, but their current 3D guidelines say 720p max. In reality, it just doesn't have the RAM for it, which is why they put those guidelines in place. The vast majority of PS3 3D games run at 720p 60fps or lower though, due to RAM and GPU limitations. Neither console was designed for 3D, so each struggles to do it (with 360 having the hardest time. It is the oldest console, after all. It's to be expected.).

[fr0sty]

And for reference, to the idiot who disagreed, I do this for a living so I know what I'm talking about. I've been in the video production industry for over 14 years, in addition to being a gaming journalist since 2006. My job depends on me knowing details like this.

[Mikeyy]

I agreed with you frosty! You speak pure facts, backed up by numbers. Something fanboys could never do.

To a fanboy, "my friend said" Is all the scientific proof they need...

[macezhno]

So this mean the 360 can play 3d blurays...

[Drekken]

lol... funny guy.

[easternbalboa]

takin the mick r v?

[RBdrift]

lol.I know i'm gonna get some mad disagrees but last i remembered the Xbox 360 only does upscaled 1080p and not true 1080p HD. So that means no native 1080p HD blu ray quality.

[gamingdroid]

That is incorrect, Xbox 360 does full 1080p just fine. Zune movies are available to stream at 1080p native on Xbox 360.

However, Xbox 360 doesn't have a blu-rayd drive so there would be no Blu-ray movies period in 480p, 720p or 1080p period.

... ironically, you got agrees for incorrect information.

[Anon1974]

Personally, my 360 can't do 1080p. I have a launch console and even though MS claimed the 360 could do 1080p via component cables, whenever I try I just get a blank screen. I called MS and they suggested something was wrong with my tv, however my PS3 had no issue doing 1080p via component cable (although I use HDMI now). It's obviously a problem with the 360. I've seen a number of people on home theater forums who ran into the same problem. We just go 720p.

[ChozenWoan]

gamingdroid
1080i does not equal 1080p

[gcolley]

when a modern TV cannot output 1080i at all period, it outputs 1080P. so yes it actually does equal 1080P

[gamingdroid]

Yes captain obvious, 1080i is not equal to 1080p!

***That's set to change, as Microsoft today announced that it will soon enable the Xbox 360 to display games and movies in 1080p resolution.***

http://www.gamespot.com/new...

That is an article from 2006!

Alternative source:

***You will finally be able to experience all 60 frames per second of visuals that your 1080p HDTV can provide. Unfortunately there has been no HDMI cable yet announced so this is only over component and VGA. Even better, users can expect 1080p upscaling immediately on current games and DVDs while native 1080p on compatible HD DVD titles.***

http://www.2old2play.com/Ne...

@darkride66:

I have not had that problem on my Xbox 360 using component/vga at 1080p since my TV only has 2 HDMI ports.

Because yours doesn't work doesn't mean it doesn't work for everyone and hence not supported. Who knows, maybe it is your TV?

[PoweredParaglider]

@ Darkride66

It seems so weird that you still have your 360.
Why haven't you sold it?

All you ever do is complain about it.
I won't bother listing every little negative 360 remark you've espoused and repeated ad nauseum - after all, your bubble count speaks volumes about your negativity.

Why not do us all a favour and sell your 360, so we don't have to hear you complain every few days about what a burden it is on you and how you feel MS has done you wrong with it.

Had to be said.

[cochise313]

Why all the hate with 3d? It's pretty awesome. I would love to see gears in 3d. KZ3 looked awesome in 3d. Most people hate it because they don't have it.

[BX81]

KZ3 was pretty sweet and sometimes I play black ops (360) in 3D.

[Kleptic]

I don't own a 3D TV, but I don't hate 3D because of 'not having it'...technically I don't even hate it, haha...

but for me its the same problem I have with 3D in theaters...ESPECIALLY cheaper theaters that don't have the active glasses or whatever...i'm constantly squinting and searching the screen for some reason...and for whatever other reason; the lighting in the theater never seems right...

friends of mine have upgraded to 3D...played hours of killzone 3, GT5, blops, etc. in 3D and always had the same conclusion...I never actually get sick i guess, more just kind of tired or something and it doesn't seem that enjoyable overall...of all those games, I think Killzone 3 did it the best as it had the most subtle 3D effects...Black ops seemed crazy zoomed in...

until they get it done without glasses, i'm fine with standard 2D for now...

[wlchrbandit]

@Kleptic What cinema's do you go to that have active shutter glasses?

Cinema 3D is horrible, I prefer 2D most of the time as it never looks right.

I own a 3D tv, 3D games aren't there yet, even Killzone 3. It downgrades the quality too much, it just doesn't look good.. 3D Blu-ray films on the other hand.. I've never seen anything look so good in my life! (Don't tell the girlfriend)

If they manage to make 3D games look as crisp and detailed as a 3D Blu-ray movie then I don't think I'll ever need to leave my room. This will not happen this generation though..

[ConstipatedGorilla]

It's not that I don't have it - hell, Vizio makes 3DTVs for $500 - $600 now. I just don't feel it adds anything to the experience. I tend to get desensitized to it anyway, and forget that it's even in 3D.

[YogiBear]

That's the point.

[BabyCarlos]

Sooooooooo, why is this news listed in the ps3 section again? I smell a click whore...

[CoryHG]

i will not succumb to click whore. i will just flame on the n4g comment section. HA HA HA!

[tiffac008]

MS finally saw the benefit of integrating 3D and Kinect.

[jay2]

Nah, won't be even until M$ stop making you pay to play online.

[zero_cool]

Sony knew the direction 3D entertainment was headed & after all it's in their hdna & they always make.believe skeptics in believers lol!

[Miiikeyyy]

Sony pushes new things whilst MS just wait and see how it turns out

[CrazyOrange]

Sony produces 3D TV sure they will support it!

[Jocosta]

MS doesn't make tvs, why would they be the first to implement it?

[Drekken]

MS didn't have a HDMI tv in their shop when they created the 360 either, right Jocosta?

MYK1992 was correct in his statement. MS doesn't innovate... they buy companies that do.

[units]

3D has always been around

[Why o why]

[...]
Jocosta

yeah, ms also didnt have a reason to push hddvd other than to....well you know the rest. Sony will push things that help their bottom line and goals like every company does. The left hand washes the right hand in their case just like they did with blu ray but its annoying and dumb when people chose to focus solely on that aspect instead of the benefits to us as gamers. We've benefited from blu ray and many of us are enjoying 3d. You dont have to buy into it if you dont want to

[user8397144]

But 3D is not needed!

[dangert12]

nor is bluray we will just be the reason rage concept has changed and your missing a tone of la noir content told you bluray wassant needed lol

[_Aarix_]

Blu-ray is a larger disc media..thats needed more than 3-d. 3-D is an attempt to add some wow to games but it has some short comings and is not really needed especially as needed as hd.

[CoryHG]

On a someone good note, i hate the failbox, but 3D could help the kinect games, like jumping out of the way of furry bunnies and dancing...cuz that's what people play and all...

[CrazyOrange]

how mature.

[dangert12]

sounds like a hardcore gamers paradise 3D Glasses and jumping over bunnies B-) need one of these xbox's lol

[_Aarix_]

Failbox lmao

[zero_cool]

The only people disagreeing at this point are butt hurt haters!

[dangert12]

Why would people hate I'm all fair game and competition we all knew microsoft was going to do it they said when it becomes more in demand and there was talk about them making glasses less screens? for 3d only problem they have is space on their limited dvds killzone 3 and uncharted 3 seem to have to a huge jump in file size since the announcement of 3d

[Omar91]

sweeet when does it come out?

[mendicant]

You're over complicating this.

All this means is that come holiday season, Microsoft will be able to add a bulletpoint to features. Granted the PS3 plays games and movies in 3D, but it's still a net postive for MS.

The actual reality is the economy in the United States where I live; and other nations as well, are suffering bad economic times. People here are broke, period and it's not getting better. Obama has no idea what to do and our politicians are lost.

All that adds up to is people not spending. I don't know anyone with an interest in 3D anything. I have friend who has one and he doesn't even use the feature. The combination of financial issues and lack of interest almost ensures that 3D isn't going to take off...not anytime soon.

[snake-OO]

funny enough as soon as the next iphone or ipad launches for some reason people come into money.
this isnt directed at anyone on here. its just my personal opinion of financial issues.

[cochise313]

You're exactly right. Ipads and phones people find money some how.

[mendicant]

I think you fail to appreciate the gravity of the situation.

I agree with you; in the past your iphone point holds water. However our jobs numbers for last month came back at 0. The lowest it's been since 1945.

Watch what happens this Christmas season. Either you'll see the best deals ever...beyond great really, or you'll see the most dismal shopping season ever. The iphone day one days are over. At least at the numbers you're used to seeing.

[EverydayGuy]

I saw Halo 3D anniversary at Pax, it was awesome. They totally went in and redid the graphics, they kept the op pistol from Halo to.

[additup28]

I just got a 3d tv few weeks ago, wasn't looking for one but shopping for a new set and it was a great deal (free active glasses and movies) gaming so far has been pretty awesome (killzone 3, super stardust), glad microsoft officially supports it now. there is a great indie xbox game 3d infinity, really uses the tech well.

[GoldenPheasant]

I was under the impression that one needed HDMI 1.4 to have a native 3D signal running from the source. Doesn't the box only do 1.3. I'm confused.

[_Aarix_]

It wont be as well but these machines can adapt.

[cee773]

xbox hdmi 1.2
ps3 hdmi 1.3

[DlocDaBudSmoka]

last i heard, 360 was at hdmi 1.2

[DJMarty]

@GoldenPheasant - Crapbox360 only does HDMI v1.2 and some Crapbox360's don't even have a HDMI port. LOL

PS3 does HDMI v1.3/v1.4 depending on PS3 model

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Xbox 360 have HDMI 1.2, which can't do great 3D as PS3 which this have HDMI 1.3

[SuMtOnE]

So i forked out some money and brought a Plasma 3D tv. Been gaming on my 20" CRT and never own any HDTV so when i found one for a good price I went ahead and brought one. and WOW is all I can say.

[EverydayGuy]

Glad you now see the light.

[Thecraft1989]

it can not be possible to be one the level of Ps3. 360 has hdmi 1.2 on all units even slims this has less than half the bandwidth of hdmi 1.3/1.4 that 3d needs.

[MasterCornholio]

good to see that they are finally played catch up to the 3D tech. Now if only devs have 3d as an option for all of their games.

[NotSoSilentBob]

Microsoft jumping on the bandwagon again.

[TheDivine]

How? 3d games have been on the 360 for years, acually before all this 3d sony craze started.

[Shadonic]

3d is probably going to be implemented into kinect games which would be kinda cool.

[thespaz]

I thought the 360 could already do 3D?

Anyway... I don't get the big deal about 3D, I see it at the stores and I just don't understand the hype it gets. Especially since 3D games have to be down-rez'd and usually stutter more in the framerate. It seems like a slightly worse experience to do 3D on these ancient consoles.

The closest I got to 3D on my PS3 was Skate 2 (type strangeloops in the "Enter Code" section) and my eyes get very tired fast and I have to switch it off. It's a neat effect for a few minutes, but I couldn't game for long like that. It feels like your eyes are crossed and I'm sure it can't be good for your eyes or your brain to be tricking it into thinking you're looking at a 3D image.

[MilkMan]

I bought the 65' Razor LED and I loved the set, but I hate that fucking 3D. So now I have the 70 inch Aquos. Non-3D. MUCH better. I'll take more inches and give up the 3D.
That shit is just annoying.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.
The only 3D I like is porn and my 3DS.

[GamerGuy153]

But the games' 3D can't be as good because the PS3 games have 50gb of space to fill up,giving developers more space for pre-rendered-in-engine cutscenes in 3D. This is why Killzone 3 took up close to an entire 50gb disk. 360 developers are already having to squeeze to fit on the games without 3D

[videoxgamexfanboy]

Written like a true fanboy...

[alb1899]

But sony fans said that it was not possible for 360 to have 3d?

So what about that!

[JOLLY1]

don't remind them....

[GoldenPheasant]

Again, HDMI 1.4 is required for a full 3D signal from source.

From what I understand HDMI 1.2 does not have the necessary bandwidth for full HD 3D.

[videoxgamexfanboy]

I have a 3d tv and i only played socom 4 in 3d. Lookd cool for a few mins but i cant imagine anyone playing for hrs like that. Its cool that 360 is going to support it tho. Ill give it s try with gears...

[KonaBro]

So the Xbox fanboys first said that no one cared about 3D and that Sony was stupid to push it and now that the Xbox has it slightly (still don't have 3D Blu-Ray movies or the amount of 3D games available like Sony) now it's ok because Crysis 2 and Black Ops did it too? Where will the hypocrisy end with you people?

[GoldenPheasant]

Just like I said a few days ago.

http://n4g.com/user/useract...

[MastaMold]

@konabro, was just thinking the same thing

[BattleTorn]

I've always wanted 3D (even though Xbox has always had it on major titles)

I can't stand people who say it's a fad, or gimmick.

It's be future.

Saying it's just a temperary gimmick is like saying that about touchscreens and cordless devices.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

As a ps3 enthusiast, I have to admit I was not convinced by 3D simply because I didn't try it yet. But when I saw transformers 3 in 3D I told my self "this feature needs to become a standard in the gaming industry." 3D is the future, except it.

[MaximusPrime]

So how this going to work with Kinect? Dodgeball 3D?

[fullmetal297]

Nuff Said.

[BlueEye]

Waste of money

[jack who]

one i tho they said 360 cant do 3d? lolz
two i dont have a 3d tv nor do i plan on getting one yay.

give me a usfull update next time m$

[HINDERIZATION]

I don't care for 3D. It's just another one of those things...

[capcock]

Nah, 3D isn't like motion gaming because 3D is always optional, even on the 3DS.

Have you tried pc gaming in 3D or GT5, kz3 in 3D? it's funnier than it sounds trust me.

[HINDERIZATION]

i know 3D can be a choice. but sooner or later, i'm gonna have people telling me to get something that deals with 3D technology lol.
it always happens.

[leemo19]

Took MS long enough to update the 360 to use 3d. Though i don't see how really 360 can run 3d when last time i checked the 360 only had 1.2 hdmi port, which doesn't support 3d at all. Unless the 360 slim have 1.3 or 1.4 hdmi ports now which than i see 3d actually working. Its all good, cause they can have 3d games, but movies in 3d on the 360 isn't going to be happening.

[hyabusha]

I can't wait to play Gears 3 In 3D! Grab the MonsterVision Max3D glasses. They are the fastest shutter len's, have the brightest and largest viweing area. Less eye strain and fatigue. Bout time MS! 3D FTW!

[M1chl]

Yeah, still don't like this gen of 3D...like at all. This technology (T mean from TVs to Cinemas) need to become much more mature, because at this stat, its better watch everything in 2D. At least from my perspective and yes, I am an early adopter of 3D TV and since first days, I am not satisfied at all...

[etowntwo]

Sony this gen definitely paved the way for 3D, bluray, and hdmi.

Makes you wonder what the ps4 will have in store.

Anyways, I could care less about 3D at the moment. (cause I obviously don't have or plan on purchasing a 3d tv)

[Optical_Matrix]

Yet another thing Microsoft has cried foul on that the Sony is pushing with the PS3, only for them to jump on the bandwagon months later. *facepalm*

[SasquatchXD]

Sony did it with rumble features in controllers a while back.

All the big companies have been fickle at some point or another.

[sarshelyam]

So in a funny turn of events, Microsoft sells Sony televisions.

Yeah, I know there are other options...but in a round about way, the potential to make Sony some dollars has just been increased, thanks to Microsoft!

[RAmar101]

3D on ps3 pah who needs it

Now 3D on 360, hmm its good its getting it

Things seem to suck when its not on your console?

[Garrison]

It's great that the 360 now has 3d, I don't have a 3d tv or anything but why complain about something that doesn't affect ya in any way really? If ya want it go get it I'd say.

3d that I've seen so far is nice but nothing id be willing to pay large amounts of money for but hey, if ya got the money and want it go get it. I haven't been exposed enough to it most likely. It's great that the 36o still has it in terms of giving it's customers 3d for those who want it. Id surely love to try out gears on 3d!

[JKL6939]

Whatever Somy Does. microsoft follows to copy. If Sony decides to have game compilations, microsoft end up to doing the same thing. Sony lowers the price of the PS3. two weeks later, microsoft copied. Sony has always pushing for 3D, it took microsoft this long to decide to do 3D.....lame. The only thing microsoft still haven't copy Sony, is to do blu ray...which is still stupid. Having blu ray is always better. LOOSERS---microsoft

[helghast102]

Catching up are we?

Nah but seriously, 3D is shit

[Pikajew]

The gamecube was able to play 3D

[Cherchez La Ghost]

3D is OK. But you cannot game for over 2 hours using it. I had aches around my eyes when I played Killzone 3 in 3D.

[earbus]

I still dont know one person who has a 3d tv ,best 3d was done by the three stooges way back in the 30s.

[IHateYouFanboys]

you PS3 fanboys do realise that the 360 has been able to play games in 3D since the exact same day that the PS3 could, dont you?.........

this is just adding the option to turn it on and off AS A WHOLE. at the moment if youre playing a game like Crysis 2 or Virtua Tennis, you have to go into the game and then turn on 3D mode. with this, the console knows that you have said you want to play in 3D, so it will default 3D capable games to play in 3D.

again - this is NOT *adding* 3D support to the 360. the 360 has had 3D support for as long as the PS3 has. if you want to you can go play Crysis 2/Call of Duty Black Ops/etc in 3D on a 360 on a 3D tv RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! you have been able to since they came out.

the sheer idiocy in this comments section astounds me.

[SasquatchXD]

even enslaved.

[kma2k]

yea couldnt care less about the 3d aspect but the update aspect is what interests me, is this the new dashboard they have been talking about? Or just a stupid 3d only update?

[Droid Control]

Better late than never.

I guess...

[SasquatchXD]

yaaay...

did you catch my sarcasm?

[Tr10wn]

nice the 3d gimmick is coming tot he xbox awesome....

[Hozi89]

3D=Fun!!! the more of it the better!!!

[devilhunterx]

Didn't M$ say that this was "not needed", just like built-in wireless, bigger HD, reliable console

[EdwardS087]

lol There is always someone here to take a stab at one of the consoles, no matter the nature of the article.

[Laughing Buddha]

I'm glad to see Microsoft embrace 3D gaming because of the new passive 3D televisions!!!

Just 6 months ago if you were to ask me my thoughts on 3D televisions, I would have told you I was not interested in the least. If you were to ask me now I would say I can not wait to purchase one! The last time I felt giddy like this about new technology was about 5 years ago when Sony released the Playstation 3. So why the change if opinion you ask? Well, I've spent some time with the new passive 3D tv's that were released earlier this year by LG and Vizio. I can sum up my thoughts in two words... AH-MAZNG!! The 3D image that these TV's can produce is just jaw dropping gorgeous.

The next time you are at Best Buy or a similar electronics store swing by the TV section and check them out yourself you won't believe your eyes. (Just make sure you stand far enough away from the set 10-15') Oh, another bonus is you no longer need to spend $50-100 for the active shutter glasses, these new tv's use circular polorized glasses just like the RealD glasses you get at your local theater. Alright, let me stop gusing now.

[mcstorm]

Good to see MS offering 3d to 3d tv owners but I think this is what will be the main difference with next Gen consoles over this Gen. The powerof the consoles will not be much different to how they are now but will be able to push 3d graphics looking the same as games look now without 3d.
I'm still not a fan of having glasses on to play 3d games and watch 3d tv. I'm a fan of the tech but I'm more a fan of screens like on the 3ds as I don't have to put over priced glasses on.
The tech is going to take another 5 or so years to get into most peoples homes as there is not alot of reason to get 3d tv at the moment HD channels are still not available for all digital tv companys and 3d is along way behind that.

[WitWolfy]

Was bound to happen eventually

[muttonface]

3D is here to stay, so long as television company's make them and once people start feeling the need to upgrade there will be a slow but increasing demand for it.

[Bladesfist]

Im not personaly interested in 3D, But I guess its always great to have extra features. But the price of 3D monitors and TV's is beyond me at the moment.

[chrisgay]

"Xbox finally joins PS3 with new 3D update."

Damn it.

[Masta Kaos]

Sony is always a step ahead.....

[Dfooster]

3D is in its infancy. saying sony is a step ahead is like saying my child will be more successful in life than yours because it took its first steps before your child.

3D doesnt even have screens that multiple people can view glasses free yet. it will be 5 years before 3D takes off properly, so i dont think microsoft have missed the boat on anything to be honest.

in terms of gaming it will be next gen consoles before we see 3D being pushed forward properly anyway.

[Kemicalbeliefs]

So let me get this right...because he says Sony are saying they're a step ahead, which they are by being out there with it already. You think it also means they will win the battle long term? How did you come to that conclusion?

Step ahead means being out there early, first or never been done before. It doesnt neccessarily mean they'll win it.

I can't see it being 5yrs either. The very same people had these comments about HD, even though it was clear then why it was going to be successful.
3d is a useful addition but those that knock it saying its a 5 min gimmick, must use their light guns and steering wheels all the time.

[Dfooster]

3D is the future of gaming whether small minded people choose to acknowledge it or not its here to stay. And it will only get better and better until it becomes essential to the way we experience and interact with our games in the future.

[Kemicalbeliefs]

Some things about 3d that I've been involved in the discussions on.

Its a gimmick = Imax

Hate wearing glasses = Yes they're like the one ring that rules them all, they get heavier the longer you wear them.

Also pretend you're trendy and you're wearing sunglasses inside like some fashion freaks do.

Its more expensive = Imax. Oh and don't forget essentially you're watching two films put together so I'd say its pretty cheap heheh

Its no better than the blue/green/red ones = Yes and HD is no better than SD. Honest.

[Rhezin]

ughh 3D IS RETARDED!

I feel sorry for anyone who buys anything 3D now. the tech is obviously not perfected yet. Wait till you don't even need the stupid looking glasses LOL.

[Drekken]

I got one... don't feel sorry for me. I love the 3D image and my 2D picture is light years beyond your crap TV. I will put money on it.

Why wait till you don't need glasses when you can just buy another TV in 10 years when that tech is on the market for mainstream use.

Your comment is retarded.

[Bladesfist]

and the image on most monitors is better than your tv. Lmao at 1080p max res.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Well I guess Ms is goin 3D, doesn't really matter to me seein how I don't have a 3D TV. Oh well don't care to have it.

[tee_bag242]

The IGN video says its a prototype and has no price or release date. Yet the article says Nov 11 and has a price.

WTF?

[death2smoochie]

There should not be hate for 3D at all. If its an extra option, hell that's a great thing IMO.
IMO 3D won't take off for consoles until next generation when those consoles can perform 3D properly AND the cost of 3DTV's/Glasses and 3D TV's that do not require glasses drop in cost.
Right now 3D games on consoles look decent enough but because of its hardware, too many sacrifices are made to run a game in 3D mode on these consoles.