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PS3’s Capabilities Surpassed with PlayStation Vita, Still A “Car Wreck”? – NGV Episode #49

"This week Nick discusses the criticism the PlayStation Vita received and its relation to a “car wreck”. Nick speaks on the company’s statements and provides insight on their outspoken views. Nick also speaks on the recent PlayStation Vita press release that officially revealed the amount of system memory (RAM) and video memory (VRAM) built into the upcoming gaming handheld."

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fluffydelusions2644d ago

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's capabilities have been surpassed. It's just the way Sony allocated the memory for the PS3 which is why there is no cross game chat. Poor decision on Sony's part TBH but at least they've learnt from their mistake and fixed it in the PSV.

DarkCharizard_2644d ago

The device itself is awesome, but it won't be very successful considering the other portable options and the price.

piroh2644d ago

the price is very affordable even Nintendo is afraid

let's wait and see

PSVita2644d ago

"the other portable options and price." like what the 3ds? what other portable options have two analog stick, none, nuff said. We all know your biased but seriously who isn't excited about this machine we know devs are that's for sure.

Dramscus2644d ago

People seem to keep ruling out the two analogue sticks.

They are literally a game changer. When did console fps start becoming really popular. When the controllers started having these two sticks.

So no it's not going to be a car wreck. If it has Any fps as a launch title it's going to be like an autobot sized problem for the competition. If it launches with Call of Duty it's going to be more than tha.

The price is great I know plenty of people planning to buy it day one because of the price.

If you think the price is bad because it's closely priced to what the 3DS was priced at on launch, and think that because that failed then so will this. Well your a dolt, this isn't a 3DS, the whole world knows sony sells premium products, and most people expected the vita to launch at like 350-400 bucks because of that.

Aside from the 3ds which doesn't really compete with the dual analogue vita, yes I'm mentioning it again it sets them in different classes, phone's arent competition for it either.

It's not so much a portable device as a portable home console. Cell phones are for five minute gaming, and ds 3d or otherwise are for portable gaming experiences. This isn't offering that, at all. It's totally providing the same experience that I'll be getting on my tv.

Plus it makes the PS3 into a wii u like unit as they've said their planning to add such capabilities to the unit.
I think most people that own a ps3 will end up getting a vita.

Imagine remote play that actually works with every ps3 game.

I can't see this failing.

BattleAxe2644d ago (Edited 2644d ago )

DarkCharizard_ + 4h ago
The device itself is awesome, but it won't be very successful considering the other portable options and the price.
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rjdofu2644d ago

@BattleAxe: he's a Nintendo fanboy to the core, an extreme one (i.e. stubborn, ignorant, illogical...), as rubbish as any extreme fanboy out there.

AngryTypingGuy2644d ago

If the Vita has surpassed the PS3, does that mean that the PS3 Slim is going to be a centimeter thick?

Ravenor2644d ago

Like the PSP right guys?

silvacrest2644d ago

you are right about the dual analog thing, naysayers need to think about what is the most popular online multiplayer genre, FPS, you NEED dual analogs to play them well, voice chat is a nice bonus too

no other portable is capable of doing this, the 3DS has average graphics and one analog, tablets dont have the games nor the controls yet

the vita can dominate if the FPS junkies as well as handheld fans pick it up

Kurt Russell2644d ago

Vita is an awesome bit of kit, but it won't dominate. It'll be just a more adult alternative in the hand helds which suits teen/tweens rather than 10 year olds.

morganfell2643d ago

Ken Levine:

“It has dual analog sticks,” he told the PS Blog. “And I love shooters. You can finally play a shooter, a real shooter, on a handheld. Seriously, that’s a hole in my soul right now. Now I’ll have something I can play real shooters on, and that’s really important to me. It’s awesome.”

http://www.industrygamers.c...

Iroquois_Pliskin2643d ago

wow, even at trolling you manage to fail darkcharizard....

Christopher2643d ago

Other portable options are actually more expensive. iPhone 4, Android, tablets, etc. All of them cost more and have lower gaming capabilities.

It won't be as successful as desired because it doesn't do a lot more like a smartphone or tablet.

gamingdroid2643d ago

***Other portable options are actually more expensive. iPhone 4, Android, tablets, etc. All of them cost more and have lower gaming capabilities.***

Yes, but the vast majority of those other devices also do a lot more than just gaming and in some areas have a higher spec and is smaller. Smaller tend to cost more.

Add on the fact that phones are subsidized by your cell phone carrier and is in many ways "almost" a necessity in our modern society while gaming is not even close to it.

I think PS Vita is a godsend for hardcore/mid-core gamers, but some of them might just find the phone fit's that void phone just fine and just stick with the big experience at home.

I think the market for handhelds is shrinking, especially the hardcore market.

Christopher2643d ago

@gamingdroid: Think you failed to read that last sentence of mine.

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fluffydelusions2644d ago

@DarkCharizard_

Only time will tell I suppose. I'm hoping it does well personally.

firemassacre2644d ago

who ever called vita a car wreck must have just gotten out of one.

Parapraxis2644d ago

It was a dev who has made nothing but crap games (You can say that's subjective, but look at their history)
http://www.giantbomb.com/ly...

Cablephish2644d ago

*CoUgH* Heavy Metal *cOUgh*

DragonKnight2644d ago

@Parapraxis: Man did that guy make some awful games. This is the guy that said the Vita is a car wreck? He's got no authority to talk at all based on that list alone. Wow.

3GenGames2644d ago

I'd love to see a PS3 RAM and memory map that you're referencing and see how the ram is so skewed. I mean, the programs NEVER have direct access to it, the PS3's compiler allocates the memory, the program doesn't know how weird it is.

showtimefolks2644d ago

and for 249 its a great price point. cross game chat is a good feature but when its can't be done let's just move on

so what for a free online service we can't get cross game chat everything else is there along with awesome exclusives

what would you rather have?

cross game chat
or awesome exclusives

nirwanda2644d ago

I still don't get the vita at all, it will get lots of downgraded ps3 games and the battery life won't be too great with all that power so its use will be restricted mainly to home use.
Lets be honest everyone given the choice of a ps3 game or a downgraded vita version your going to get the ps3 game everytime even if it doesn't get lot's of ports there are more then enough good home console games on the way to use your money elsewhere

NiKK_4192643d ago

Actually I will probably start getting games on vita instead, simply because it's portable and is ps3 quality anyway.

eclectified2643d ago

For the record, there was info out there from Sony that said battery life would be comparable to the PSP. Only time will tell, but if they're right, I'll be happy.

damnyouretall2643d ago

yeah i had a day one vita preorder, i cancelled though. had choose the vita or uc3,gow3,deus ex, skyrim, madden , team ico and most definetly bf3. decisions decisions

nycredude2643d ago

Nirwanda

Sony has said they are shooting to have the battery life the same or better than the psp. This is possible with smaller and more efficient chips and the oled screen, which uses very little power.

Psp was pretty much a Ps2 lite and look how that turned out. Psp was $199 not long ago which makes the Psv a steal at the $250 price point.

All the gamestop around my way report that trade ins for psp systems are high now. no doubt people are anticipating this handheld.

I know I am waiting for it.

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gw4k2643d ago

It is close enough to the power of the PS3 to be impressive. Not much of a difference really.

JsonHenry2643d ago

I hear a lot of negative stuff about this Vita thing. But what I have read from the technical side, and what it is supposedly capable of, this may be the first Handheld I will buy since the Gameboy Advance.

subtenko2643d ago

Reading all these comments has be seriously thinking "what if the psvita cause the 3ds to just die?" O_O I mean this thing is a monster of a portable console! This is gonna be a key step in improving gaming. Keysteps that companys take should be in a hall of fame somewhere.

"So and so first introduced dual analog sticks, this company came out with 3d, first 3d portable console, first console to use dvd."

Bring a tear in my eye..we've come a long way folks :) SO glad I found a hobby of playing video games in my spare time. One of the coolest forms of entertainment!

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KingSlayer2644d ago (Edited 2644d ago )

Are we supposed to be surprised by the Vita's increased capabilities? I don't get it. 2005 tech vs 2011 tech. With both systems playing nice together, what's the problem? As far as cross game chat, 5yrs of not having it should've been a sign. I do think it's possible and think it will make a late appearance as an app. Similar to what what done with the text chat rooms.

silvacrest2644d ago

i agree with everything you said except cross chat coming through a app or something

like you said, 5 years have passed, still no cross chat, i think its safe to say its not coming this generation but saying that, this gen is almost over, in 2-3 years max, we will all have new consoles

DaThreats2644d ago

Vita doesn't have the Cell CPU...
I think

fluffydelusions2644d ago

Just because something has the Cell Processor doesn't make it better than anything else out there.

hiredhelp2644d ago (Edited 2644d ago )

Nope your right. it had a quad core microbased. arma cpu very simular to the ipad 2. but with the gpu inside wait was it tegra cant remeber it has more grunt.
but not just the hardware this beast has to offer but its the way you can use it touch screen sensors. six axis motion controll. i mean awsome.

Ju2644d ago (Edited 2644d ago )

Quad Cortex-A9 (4 latest gen Arm cores) and SGX534MP4+ (The '+' is some sort of Sony/Vita specific extension, MP4 means 4 GPU "cores"). No tegra. 2x iPad2 (gpu alone). http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

OpenGL2644d ago

I think the + refers to the fact that the GPU has 128MB of dedicated memory, possibly on an independent memory bus. Most SoCs like Tegra 2/3, OMAP4, A5, etc use a shared memory bus for the CPU and GPU.

The dedicated video memory on the Vita's SoC will give it a huge advantage over first gen quad core SoCs like Tegra 3.

Ingram2643d ago

OpenGL always comes up with the wise POV lol

Ju2643d ago

Let the big boys talk if you are not interested, thx. ;)

Yes, the dedicated VRAM is a surprise. But it'll require some fast system/vram interconnect. But Sony has experience with that in the PS3. So, I guess it is quite more then just the mem (a DMA engine perhaps?). Speculation...would be interesting to find out.

Ingram2643d ago

I said wise, not "smartass".

Why the basis of every verbal communication on the internet has to be sarcasm by default? did I use /s?

I fully agree with OpenGL statements, almost always, hence, me lauding what he said.

I laugh because is funny he's always there to come up with useful technical advice, that's rare in N4G.

Also, I would understand you don't like me or whatever Ju, but let's keep that stinky paternalism aside for the moment being, please, at least until we find a real point of disagreement, "big boy".

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Zir02644d ago (Edited 2644d ago )

Its a car crash because there is no viable market for it. It will sell a few million to the hardcore but no casual gamer (the large majority of handheld gamers) is gong to choose Vita over an iPhone or an Android smart phone.

Give it a year and you will see what I mean.

@Below

Seriously guys stop living in the past. There WAS a portable market back in the day with the DS/PSP but things have changed you just have to look at what happened with the 3DS. All I know is you fanboys will be eating your words, just because Sony made it doesn't mean it will succeed and deep down you all know that as well.

KingSlayer2644d ago (Edited 2644d ago )

Are the iPhone and Android the reason there's no dedicated portable market? Wait, there is a dedicated handheld market! The PSP, DS, 3DS and Vita will sell AND continue to sell. No viable market for it? Are you serious?

EDIT: What happened to the 3DS was a price drop and sales increases. See, increase means more people have them. More sales = more support. But more so, the damn Vita isn't out yet, no one has a crystal ball and you're simply hating the company, not the device. Fear can be a bitch.

Misterhbk2644d ago

How do you know the casual market makes up the majority of the handheld market? Because the iPad sells well?

71 million PSPs says yes, there is a market for it. There are people that want a core focused handheld, and even if they don't sell as much as the 3DS or iPad, hitting 70 million once again (which is very likely) would once again make them a success.

If you think about it this casual market is going to effect the 3DS a lot more than the Vita since this is the market Nintendo aims at and not the market that Sony aims at. Sony wants 360 console owners, and PS3 console owners to be the main audience to pick up the Vita. The heavy push of AAA titles should make this very clear. Will there be casual games? Of course there will be, but that will not be the main focus.

fluffydelusions2644d ago (Edited 2644d ago )

But you have to remember PSP, DS etc have been out for years. Mobile gaming on phones, tablets etc hasn't taken off till recently. Honestly, I'm on your side. I hope PSV and 3DS succeed because I hate gaming on phones, tablets in it's current state though I'll remain open minded for future possibilities.

Peaceful_Jelly2644d ago (Edited 2644d ago )

because the Wii, Kinect and DS sell well and all of these has the most casual support.

Misterhbk2644d ago

@fluffy
I see exactly what you're saying, but the PSP and DS have continued to sell well even in the recent boom of iOS devices. Its not like they suddenly fell of the end of the world. They've remained relevant in the mobile world, despite being vastly outdated.

@peaceful
All of those devices sell well, and its fantastic, but again these devices are aimed at the casual market. That's who they were created for primarily. Devices like the Vita are not primarily for those markets. The Vita is for the millions upon millions of people who an deep game play with proper controls. Those aren't the same people who will be buying an ipod to play the games on that.

I just think its hilarious, now that the casual market is being targeted by some companies, that people believe gaining control of that market is the only sure fire way to success. Android devices will NEVER outsell Apple devices, but they're still considered successful.

Even if sony never outsells the 3DS or the Iphone/pod/pad, but they manage to build on the market that the PSP created and they continue to cater to the core audience that has been known to adopt their hardware then wouldn't that be a success?

Or is being the highest sold device the only way to be considered successful If so there are an awful lot of failed devices out there.

Optical_Matrix2644d ago

Look at what happened to 3DS? Look at how despite there being 'no portable market in 2011' as you claim, it outpaced DS sales within the same time frame, and now that it's priced how it should be, is selling even more. We all know if Microsoft released a new handheld system your penis would be all over it. Simmer down Zir0, your biased opinions aren't required in this topic of conversation.

Xof2644d ago

You are correct in saying that neither the Vita nor the 3DS appeal to casual gamers. You are correct in saying that casual gamers would be far more attracted to cheaper, more widespread devices like iPods, iPads, and mobile phones.

However, it's important to note that handheld gaming consoles have NEVER been very appealing to casual gamers. The only handheld console to do so was the Nintendo DS, and--like the Wii--Nintendo's appeal to casual gamers paid off big time.

Does that mean the PSP, the handheld console that only appealed to core gamers, was a failre? That it didn't sell?

No.

The simple fact of the matter is that the handheld gaming market is getting smaller... but it's not going away. Not yet. In fact, one could (easily) argue that large, cumbersome home consoles are more likely to become obsolete before handheld consoles.

And while other handheld technology is in competition with dedicated gaming devices like the Vita and 3DS... they simply don't offer the same quality gaming experience that appeals to core gamers, and, therefore, simply are not in the competition so far as core gamers are concerned. That may change, someday, but it doesn't look like it will happen any time soon.

And, really, the only thing we can say about the Vita and it's state with regard to tablets, mobile phones, and the like, is that Sony really missed a BIG opportunity with it. Sony could have made the Vita much more of an "omnitool" than the PS3--it can use 3G networks, so why not give it a simple phone? Or a special power-saving mode to play music on.

Sony could have easily made the Vita an iPad-killer, had the chosen to broaden its functionality. But they didn't. They chose to focus solely on the games.

Why?

Because handheld platforms are capable of surviving--of thriving--solely with the support of core gamers.

shadow27972644d ago (Edited 2644d ago )

Cheaper? When was the last time you priced iPads, or even smartphones, for that matter?

The Vita is actually very competitively priced compared to those devices.

I agree with everything else you said, though.

Ju2644d ago

Do we actually have numbers for a non-handheld console gaming market? Just because a device sells, does not quantify its specific market, that is mobile gaming. In $ (or currency), not titles sold, please. And other than recurring revenue for Apple, but for developers (e.g. EA's revenue share in the iOS/Android mobile gaming market - compared to other platforms).

I really cannot see a viable gaming market on those devices other then Angry Birds and Co.

TBM2644d ago

yes ziro im going to get a true gaming experience from my dumba$$ droid 2 phone with no proper controls, or some stupid a$$ tablet again with no proper controls and whose battery life on both will die within minutes of trying to play an actual true game with substance not some dumb flash/finger swiping/poking game.

dredgewalker2644d ago

@Ziro

When the market for a dedicated portable doesn't die out as you said it would are you gonna own up to it, like all the people who said the PS3 and PSP would die? I'm so used to people and articles spreading FUD and DOOM that it's just amusing to me.

silvacrest2644d ago

if worst comes to worst, sony can integrate android with the vita and then it will be like night and day in terms of money

tiffac0082643d ago (Edited 2643d ago )

Your living in the moment. This doom and gloom scenario ain't nothing new.

When the console market was in the up swing they said the PC gaming market will die. Nope it didn't, its stronger than ever before.

When the download service became popular they said that the physical media would die in a few years. Nope it didn't. Retail is still strong.

The sales will probably not be the same (only time will tell) but that doesn't mean the market will just die out because another market is currently in the up swing.

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killajd2644d ago

I for 1 love the idea of the new handheld and the specs match the price