The PlayStation Vita launch will be “a car wreck”, believes Heavy Iron president, Lyle Hall.
(knock on wood) Vita will sell alot
You say you're sold to Christ and yet you resort to supersition (knocking on wood). Shouldn't you be saying a prayer or something? In any case- Vita looks like an impressive piece of kit. I think Mr Hall might possibly be focusing too much on the whole price point issue. After all, it all depends on the value of the machine. The VITA is an incredible piece of kit. If it has the games, it will sell. Calling it a 'car wreck' is a bit much don't you think?
To be fair Christ himself knocked on wood from time to time, being a carpenter and all.
Vita can't be a car wreck, because it's not a car.
He is clearly underestimating the number and potential of hardcore GAMERS. Lately, it has been all abound the casual crowd but there are still a buttload of pure gamers who would LOVE to carry another item with them so they could enjoy some serious gaming. You can only play Angry Birds so many times. Current mobile technology can NOT match the power of PSVITA. Some day it WILL but until then, we, the hardcore gamers will always crave for our favorite games on the go. Lets compare 3DS with PS VITA when Sony finally launches it and even then, lets compare the software only. If Sony doesn't provide us with some great launch titles, VITA will not do good but if Sony's on top with Vita's launch lineup. Mark my words, these devs and so called Analysts will eat their words!
Heavy Iron Studios are developers that brought us incredible hits like: - The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie Game - Scooby-Doo! Night of 100 Frights - SpongeBob's Truth or Square So their opinion on the PSV success is relevant because...they make straight to discount bin games that nobody wants? PSV will be a huge success, but some people just don't want to see that happen. And regarding 3DS price drop, that now everyone claims should happen for PSV, let me remind you of one thing: 3DS completely bombed on the market. Because of that fact, Nintendo had to lower its price. Do you honestly think that they would do it if they haven't failed sales wise? Of course not, they would keep their initial price for quite some time. Sony isn't even on the market with their device and they should already make the price drop? LOL, no. Price is more than accessible (250$ is not much when you see that PSV has quad core CPU&GPU, OLED screen, dual touchscreens, etc.) considering that a good brand new cell phone costs 500-700$ (no contract) and gets outdated/replaced in a matter of months.
@Zeeshan: The trouble is that hardcore gamers are only tiny population compared to casual gamers. And most hardcore gamers don't even care about handheld gaming. If they only appeal to hardcore gamers, sales won't even reach anywhere near PSP levels. For example Uncharted is popular hardcore game series but probably can't even sell 2m copies on PSVITA while first real Mario game will easily get past 10m copies, probably even 15m copies (biggest games on DS has sold over 20m copies). The trouble is that over 90% of gamers don't care about technology. Heck, only portion of gamers know anything about technology, they buy consoles only for games. Bottomline is that if you can't sell to casual gamers, sales will be very bad. Sure, if they are happy selling 25-30m consoles then it is fine. But they can't get anywhere near 100m sales without strong support from casual gamers.
he didn't focus "too much" on the price point. he mentioned it. then he went on to the most important part of it. people don't want uni-taskers. and i have to agree with him. vita looks very impressive...but nothing we won't see cell phones doing within a year or two. and even if they don't, smart phones are also HD cameras, audio and video devices, game players, web browsers, text messengers, they have tens of thousands of apps that aren't games, oh yeah, and they can make calls. and you can upgrade them for virtually nothing every 2 years. it doesn't matter how great vita is, if it can't appeal to a mass market (and i believe that it won't) it's fate will be the same as the 3ds. and this, btw, is coming from a gamer that has owned every console (including the virtual boy) since the magnavox odyssey. but ever since i bought a nintendo DS and got maybe 5 hours of enjoyment out of it, i realize now that portable consoles are dinosaurs. doesn't matter how powerful they are, if their only niche is "it plays games," there's just no room left in this world for em. don't get me wrong, i believe a lot of suckers will be early adopters of this system...especially since ND is making ANOTHER uncharted game that will be more of the same (only mentioning this cuz a portal UC won't come close to the sales of UC2 and probably 3). and it might even look, at first, like the system is selling well. but after that, i think we'll see it follow the same trend we've all just witnessed with the 3ds.
@Sub4Dis The PS vita can do more than gaming... The psp can do more than gaming too ;) and ND is NOT the one making the Uncharted game on vita it's another studio
He's saying he thinks there's no market for dedicated gaming handhelds. "I can’t see why you would want to put a device out that only does games." But of course, I disagree.
"He is clearly underestimating the number and potential of hardcore GAMERS." I think your clearly underestimating the amount of vocal minorities that will support the PS Vita. People want something that will replace their pc's and the current cell phones. Its only the niche market of hardcore handheld enthusiast that the Vita will appeal to. Which is btw, a small minority of the market share. I could see if this was a phone, or had the capabilities of a Galaxy Tab, but its strong point is its first party studio lineup. I don't think thats a bad thing, but unless I can play battlefield 3 on this without having sacrifice any quality then there really is no point. BTW, Sony has already said they are limited to games that are no more than 5 gigs big on their proprietary disc. You people are right, this handheld isn't a care wreck ready to happen. Its more like a train wreck hitting running into a car wreck.
I agree that it would bemuch better if it was also a phone. Shoulda kept the go design and added phone capabilities. I love it but im sick of having multiple devices. I dont want a phone and a handheld i want both. Il get it eventually same as the 3ds because im in that minority of loving new tech and all gaming but really phones can do what this does for me, gaming on the go.
The "Go" was a terrible idea (well in my opinion) seeing that I'm 6'4 with giant hands, I favor the PSP 3000 model more if anything..... It had the right size and shape, it seems as though the Go was more suited for people with medium to small to tiny hands, the analog nub alone was a obstacle for some of the PSN only titles.... Even the D pad gave me a hard time, especially with MSG, Street Fighter and Crash bandicot.... And so on
“If people aren’t willing to pay $249 for a Nintendo 3DS why would they pay $299 for Vita?” “People don’t want to carry more than one thing in their pocket, that’s why Android and iPhone have done so well, they are the devices of choice, they offer multiple functions outside of gaming." “People don’t want it.” Industry veteran (2K Games, Microsoft Game Studios), Matthew Seymour added: “With all due respects to Sony and Vita, it’s a car wreck. And how about Xperia Play? I’d love to pull up the numbers on that.” The first two arguments would be what points towards a potential failure. Although if Sony brings a strong launch line-up (unlike 3DS) and some heavy marketing it might sell really well. I think that perhaps some of the people who initially thought of buying the 3DS are holding off and waiing for the Vita. *edit* I hope it does well cause imo it's the most impressive handheld I've seen so far. The trackpad on the back of it could make for some really cool gameplay features.
Well I wont have a problem with the vita as I always use my backpack everyday when im going to work, or simply hanging for the day in places that don't require fancy dressing. When I had my dsi, and my psp I nvr put them in my pocket they always went in my backpack. I like gaming while traveling to work so the vita is perfect for me. Also I didn't pay $300 for my droid 2 to play some whack a$$ finger swiping games. Its only function in my everyday life is to text, make calls, and browse the web when im bored at work. Phones/tablets useless for gaming when those games don't have any substance.
You're still forgetting that the PSvita doesn't cost $299 for the base model it's $249.99. And the $249.99 version will be the best-selling one, so for him to pick the 3G versions price and base his assumption on that is stupid, he shouldn't be called a Game Dev. There's also the simple fact that a lot of gamers know that the 3DS wasn't worth $249.99 but the PSvita is so they will be willing to pay $249.99 for it, unlike the 3DS.
Amazing...developer that makes games that can't be played on a handheld doesn't like handhelds. Title of this article is a little misleading as he puts the 3DS in the same boat as the Vita.
I think car wreak is a little strong. The reason behind not many 3DS selling is because of a poor line up of titles. Even the hardcore are being turned away. I agree they will have stiff competition with smart phones and younger and younger people are getting them. It seams a lot of the hardcore crowd is sold on the Vita what Sony really needs to do to make a more casual audience to buy it is to get games like COD. I believe it will not sell as well as people hope because the mobile gaming industry has changed since the PSP was released with smart phones doing a lot more than they used to. I think a car wreak is a bit too much to say what will happen to the Vita but I do see a decline in dedicated mobile gaming systems and soon will we will not get any.
I like car wrecks
LOL, has anyone even heard of "Heavy Iron Studios"? Looks like they're one of those developers who makes shatty games, but adds in really easy trophies/achievements to get the sales. What a joke.
Stating this guy worked for 2K and MGS as if it qualifies him is misleading. Look at his dev history: http://www.giantbomb.com/ly... Now there is a car wreck. EDIT: @Jelly Jelly Look at the links. That is the same Lyle Hall that worked on those titles and is now at heavy iron. From the article: "“If people aren’t willing to pay $249 for a Nintendo 3DS why would they pay $299 for Vita?” “People don’t want to carry more than one thing in their pocket, that’s why Android and iPhone have done so well, they are the devices of choice, they offer multiple functions outside of gaming. “People don’t want it.” “The technology is sweet. I’m a huge fan of mobile technology. But I just don’t know there’s a market out there any more for the hardware. I can’t see why you would want to put a device out that only does games. “The consumer has spoken. We wanted to see that world exist – more players, more opportunities for us – but at the same time people don’t want that. “Unless there’s a super technology paradigm shift it’s not going to shift back.” Yes it was Seymour that used the car wreck term but he also now works for Heavy Iron making crap titles. Look at Seymour's past achievements: http://www.giantbomb.com/ma... Second car wreck.
Too bad he ended up at Heavy Iron.
That's not the same guy. The article quotes Lyle Hall (Heavy Iron president) and Matthew Seymour (2K Games, Microsoft Game Studios).
Ok for everyone wondering what these guys made. Evil Dead: Hail to the King (2001) Scooby-Doo! Night of 100 Frights (2002) SpongeBob SquarePants: Battle for Bikini Bottom (2003) The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie Game (2004) The Incredibles (2004) The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer (2005) Ratatouille (2007) WALL-E (2008) Up (2009) SpongeBob's Truth or Square (2009) So really they have no reason to even talk about hardware when all the games they made are below 6. Hmmm who do i trust people Like Ken levine or sir i make crappy cartoon games that not even kids wanna play hmm what a touch decision this is.
7 is a high mark for most of these. You need to stop being so generous, and give games a proper score!
so basically they make game adaptations of movies... everyone is entitled to an opinion but.....really?
Wow their opinions mean nothing in the grand scheme of those who want to buy a vita, and that studio needs to start marking games instead of shovelware crap.
against his credit he also worked for miccrosoft game studios..
saying people don't want another device is dumb. How do they explain the success of tablets then? And I'm pretty sure tablets are used quite a bit for gaming, vita is in the tablet league, it's not going against smartphones
>Industry veteran (2K Games, Microsoft Game Studios) >Microsoft Game Studios The only one of the big three that does not have a portable gaming device, but they do have their own OS for smartphones, extols the virtues of smart phone gaming? Nope, no coincidence there.
Jesus started a movement, nothing more. Not the son of god. But god sun. If vita is a car wreck, then 3ds is a pile up.
take note - one bubble. Just saying.
beleive it or not nearly all critics and game companys said the PS1 would be a failure, look how wrong they were there... i think vita will be a succuss cause it offers what no other mobile device does.. good online gaming in the palm of your hands.. this could be huge..
I think most critic opinions are based on the success/ competition that the PSP had against the DS, seeing that it didn't do just as good as the DS, but it did great considering the fact that Nintendo has always been dominating the handheld market ever since it started, and now those same critics cannot believe that there is a possible chance that the handheld market is about to be taken over by a Sony product...... And they're counting their eggs before the hatch.....
“People don’t want to carry more than one thing in their pocket, that’s why Android and iPhone have done so well, they are the devices of choice, they offer multiple functions outside of gaming." “The technology is sweet. I’m a huge fan of mobile technology. But I just don’t know there’s a market out there any more for the hardware. I can’t see why you would want to put a device out that only does games. With those quotes I wonder what this guy actually knows about vita. Yes its primarily a game machine, but it offers much more. Hopefully sony can make the deal sweater with access to android market hell if the blackberry playbook can why cant they do it on vita.
Who? I read that whole article and have no idea who this guy is or what he's done. I did read that he made a direct comparison between 3DS at $250 and Vita at $300.. so regardless of who he is, it is clear WHAT he is... a total moron. First: Is it not understandable that people didn't buy 3DS at $250 because they were waiting for Sony's offer before making a decision on its value? Upon hearing Sony's offer, wasn't it was pretty damn obvious that Nintendo's value was inferior? Second: Why no mention of the Vita at $250? Hmmmm? Does a debate not warrant an apples to apples comparison?
Exactemundo!!! My guess is that journalist assume that the 3G + Wifi model is goin to be the one that appeal to most handheld gamers.... But yet never mention the $250 that doesn't have 3G, hell even the 3G-less model PS: Vita has more features than the 3DS, and their both capable of playing the same exact games given that the 3G model allows you to play online virtually anywhere, if that's what Sony is going for..... Or maybe they're afraid that the Playstation brand is slowly growing beside's It Only Does Everything "Playstation"
What if Sony has a huge feather in their cap? A while back it was leaked that the latest version of the PS3 was B/C, but was quickly debunked. What if they are planning on bringing PS2 emulation or even better, letting us install them on our PS3's HD? Then the Vita would have the largest launch library in history.
Is that another Game developer who tried to bash sony? I hate those developers, they should be neutral than being a stupid critics, it will affect their business if they were like that, most of the time.... I hate to think that MS might paying those bastards just to curse sony I maybe wrong...
I don't know of or about those two guys quoted, but Vita is the handheld I've been waiting for ever since Sony put dual analogs on a controller.
First of all vita will be a car wreck I will be happy to be a part of without seat belts and air bags head on collision. Secondly the person who said it doesn't matter what vita offers I humbly disagree. I've never purchased a hand held for myself but bcus all tht it has to offer at 250 or 299 I will buy my first one. Thirdly it doesn't matter if it doesn't sell out immediately or in hoards it will have legs and will sell quite well just like ps3 and even psp has sold more than 50 million units. Why do you think Sony is venturing into handhelds again? You thnk psp was a disaster bcus it hasn't sold good in the states lol please Sony has made a good profit off of it and its software salthough pirated a lot if not Sony wouldn't even bother. The world doesn't consist of only the u.s. Market and profit is profit thts what I try to tell these morons tht say ww numbers dnt count lol
The industry as a whole has been largely positive about the Vita. I can only think of two people who spoke negatively about the Vita and that was Kotick and this guy. Every other developer is drooling over this thing.
. The handheld market HAS changed BUT the 3Ds had, I believe a different set of issues, mainly, it was no different than a regular DS other than the 3Ds addition...doesn't matter what it is or isn't that was the perception and I doubt it will recover. The PS Vita is bringing a lot more innovation and for me, it is the only TRUE hardcore gaming device coming out BUT it should of come out 3 years ago but Sony was to busy milking the PsP and lets not even mention the Go that had the same problem as the 3Ds. Ipod touch is perfect for people that just want to poke around a bit. It's very small, thin and durable. Many free apps and demos of games that make it dirt cheap to play with. Things change...those that adapt, move forward, those that don't, fall behind. The days of leaving a product out for years has passed. Apple updates their products regularly and they keep selling...Niny and Sony are not as cool or hip as they use to be...just saying. Scream all you want, but the numbers don't lie.
Well I am happy to tell you that the price is not 299 but 249. So get your facts right. I do not want to play games like Angry Birds. Those games for me are not fun. So I am happy with the 3DS I bought & I will be happy with the Vita too. So please stop trying to say the Vita is a wreck because to me phone games are instead.
Who are Heavy Iron Studios? Never heard of them
Well I am buying one. People that play games on their phones are not real gamers. The vita is going to innovate on the aspect of "the console experience on the go" as well as offer the casual small games with PlayStation Suite. It is going to be fine. Once people get a hangs on and the word spreads it will sell fine. Oh and good day one games is a must!
I think this guy is jumping to too much conclusions like the rest of the guys who wants to make the news... I mean the PSV ain't even out yet and the 3DS is selling above the DS at the same time period. The holiday is just ahead of us, so you'll never know what happens. They can say all they want about the hardware (its not like this one is priced like the PS3) and we all know gaming is all about the software and when those start rolling out then we'll find out who's right and who's full of hot air. ;)
Trouble in paradise. I think $250-$300 is too much for a simple handheld gaming device. I mean people were thrilled with the tech in the PSPGO and I remember how everyone shouted "Day one!" around here, we see how that turned out. Yea you could blame digital download and lack of previously bought UMD support, but the price had a lot to do with it, $250 was the price I believe? Same price as the 3DS, which is a great system, but it's hard to justify that much money for a simple handheld.
Its strange how everyone thought that $300 and up was too much for the VITA and claimed they wouldn't buy it unless it was less then $300. And now Sony surprises you and its even less then the offered it to be suddenly that is too much.Let's get something straight here. The 3DS is not worth $249.00. You can cry and spit all you like but it isn't. It never was. Nintendo tried to con everyone into buying it at an inflated price but panicked when they saw the sales were dropping. Look at the specs on the 3DS compared to the VITA. Look at the features. Look at the VITA games compared to the 3DS games. The VITA isn't even worth $249.00. Itsworth more then that but Sony is taking a loss. So your getting more for less money. Now I know the mindless consumer can't tell the difference but I would think gamers would be able to see it.
Smart phones/tablets won't let me play full GTA games, or even fighting games like MVC. But I can play Angry Birds and other casual games and indie titles (probably) on Vita. BTW RE4 HD sucks on iPad. GTA CTW is a PIA to control on it too.
Ipad and Iphone(IOS devices) may kill psvita sales bt vita is still better than all IOS devices for gaming anyways.
This guys thought process is a car wreck!
I'm looking forward to see your game on the PSV, Mr. Hall. And you will be apologizing like Gabe Newell did in E3 2010. "Industry veteran (2K Games, Microsoft Game Studios), and new Heavy Iron employee Matthew Seymour added: “With all due respects to Sony and Vita, it’s a car wreck. And how about Xperia Play? I’d love to pull up the numbers on that.”" A former M$ employee talking about the PSV. This had me laughing.
Seems to me he was in a car wreck.
who da hell is heavy iron?
Who the hell is this guy? Oh, him and his studio made some Spongebob games. Yeah, move along.
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