Carmack: 'It pains me that 360 & PS3 gamers can't plug in a keyboard and tweak things'

"PC guys will be able to bring down the console and turn on all the little debug tools and peek at how these textures are broken up," he said. "It pains me a lot that Microsoft and Sony completely disallow the ability to plug in a keyboard and tweak with things. It's even a pain for us in development that in our full retail builds we can't bring down and play with debug tools.

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Inside_out3601d ago (Edited 3601d ago )

I understand that overachiever Johnny C loves to dissect and bis-sect things and poke and's what he does but most people want to sit down and just enjoy the experience.

There is a decent size community that love to mod their games and enjoy those aspects...but, I think most just want to get caught up in the game play, graphics and story and maybe most importantly, the creative directors vision for the game.

In movies, look how popular the behind the scenes segments have become. Not everybody is interested buy a small industry has been built up around such things for the die hards that enjoy those types of experiences. Gaming collectors editions have a lot of the same type of footage.

Rage is one of those games that works well for both. The consoles does have many games that allow those interested, to create and share levels...Halo Forge, LBP and Far Cry 2 to name a few and while you can't get behind the graphics to see how they work or how they created their masterpieces it's far better than nothing.

Johnny C like to see how things work or how other devs and creative's came up with different solutions for problems they have in's WHO he is so his opinion makes perfect sense...can't wait to give Rage a go.

BeastlyRig3601d ago (Edited 3601d ago )

Some devs just want life to be easier.

"It's even a pain for us in development that in our full retail builds we can't bring down and play with debug tools."

OC_MurphysLaw3601d ago

I think one thing that has gotten lost a bit in translation is the actual allure of console gaming. People gravitate to console gaming because its a more simplified straight forward experience.

As consoles grew in power many expected the scale of accessibility and modding would grow as well but that just really isn't the case, nor should it be. Console games need to be kept simple... plug and play if you will. Patching is fine, dlc sure...but the core experience still needs to be plug and play easy. Its that simple, and imo one of the bigger separating facts of console vs pc gaming.

kreate3601d ago

i thought u can use mouse and keyboard on the ps3? o_0;;

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jriquelme_paraguay3601d ago

Thats is WHY i buy my PS3: Insert DisC and PLAY.
Dont wanna mess and loose time with "tweaks"

qwertyz3601d ago

thats one of the reasons you consolites are so IGNORANT about game development and technology in general and fail to realize that our consoles have been obsolete from a technological stand point since 2006 when the core 2 cpus launched as well as the geforce 8 series gpus.

jriquelme_paraguay3601d ago (Edited 3601d ago )

haha.... for me Ignorant are the people who Elitize PC over Consoles...
I dont play platform... i play Games :)
PC Fanboys, and Console Fanboys are the Cancer of Gaming.

And no... its not Obsolete.. i can play L.A. Noire, KZ3, Uncharted 3, FFXIII... very well

BTw: i own a 360, a ps3, a good PC, psp, dsi, nes, snes, sega, n64.. i have a lot of choices, but a preffer play on my PS3

GamersRulz3601d ago

Oh..What can I say Carmack?

Just make a game that I can simply play, if I want to do some tweaks I would have done on PC.

I prefer gaming on consoles because it is simple, on PC you have to check the system requirement and update some stuff...I just want to play.

xtreampro_REVENGE!3601d ago (Edited 3601d ago )

Because of course checking the system requirements AFTER buying the game is the right thing to do? LoL!

That's not even an argument and beside it doesn't take 10 hours to tweak your settings, it only takes a couple of minutes and you're in the game.

If you/people can't even wait for a couple of minutes to play a game then there's something seriously wrong with todays society.

We've become so lazy and so impatient to point that we can't even wait a couple of minutes to play a game.

caboose323601d ago

If you have a computer that is even considered a gaming pc then you probably NEVER have to check requirements in a game.

It's been literally years since Iv'e checked a games requirements before buying, and have never had a problem with it.

It has also been a couple of years since I have upgraded any parts, so your point is stupid and not thought through very well.

nycredude3601d ago (Edited 3601d ago )

I think you guys are missing the point. Most gamers who do all their gaming on consoles don't want to be bothered with "tweaking" things to play a game. They want the ease of use of putting in a disc and playing.

It isn't an attack on your pc or your specs so please don't take it as an insult and feel the need to defend your thousand dollar pc and belittle console gamers so you can justify your choice of gaming platform.

Disclaimer: I have a Powerful laptop and a console so please don't flame me. I am on both sides.


So because he develops games and won a couple of emmys automatically makes him smarter than us? Hmm I know many people who are accomplished, rich, wealthy, in position of power who are dumb as a stump.

Ducky3601d ago (Edited 3601d ago )

... When did having options become a bad thing?

Giving players the option to have a deeper understanding of what makes a game tick, while also letting devs debug their games more easily is a good thing, no?

If anyone missed the point, it's Snake, seeing as how he assumed the 'tweaking' would involve trying to get the game to run.

Carmack is talking about tweaking things out of curiosity.
- Want to know what's behind that building? use noclip and see for yourself.
- What would happen if the game was set on the moon? decrease the gravity and see for yourself.
The list goes on.

peowpeow3600d ago

In what way would they be bothered with "tweaking" if it's optional?

You play, if you're curious you open up the console and do whatever you want. You don't get a screen saying "TWEAK BEFORE PLAY"

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