2012′s mobile GPUs will match PS3/360 graphics, says Qualcomm boss

Next year’s Adreno GPU will “take mobile gaming to a new level of console quality graphics,” claims Qualcomm’s Raj Talluri – and will match the PS3 and Xbox 360 for gaming performance.

[handheldwars2]

The next generation of handheldwars is here

[Anarki]

with battery life that will last 5minutes!!!!!!!!!

[FarEastOrient]

Sounds like it's going to be a very expensive phone.

[HAF912]

dont talk about tech if you dont know what you are saying.

the fact that you got 29 agrees shows how much people on this site know about tech.

parts get more efficient as well as more powerful over time.

[darthv72]

considering the tech in both the 360 and ps3 is over 5 years old.

The turn around time for new cpu/gpu and tech is roughly 6-8 months. Or at least, it used to be. Shrinking what is in the mainstream down to fit into the mobile market has been pretty steady.

[Rainstorm81]

@far east

Its funny that people will pay 499-999 for a tablet/phone for gaming.....Yet let a console be priced the same way its a tragedy.

People hated that the Ps3 was sooo expensive but the Iphone was similar priced and it was 100% acceptable

#doublestandards

[Sprudling]

@HAF912

Well, if you really know so much about tech, then how come you're unaware of the increasing problem of transistor leakage? The smaller the transistors are the more they leak, which means they are less efficient than they could have been. Right now some kind of breakthrough is needed to get smaller and more efficient transistors.

[Pandamobile]

People don't buy tablets for gaming, lol.

[Anarki]

HAF
Tell that to my galaxy S2 that guzzles power within about 2-3hours of constant use.

[gamingdroid]

Qualcom makes a large part of the chips right now for smartphones, so I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing. You know, your company doesn't get worth $90 billions producing cr@p.

So no worries about battery time. It's like people said, OMG a handheld with the graphics of PS2 is going to have low battery life in 2004.

[colony]

Anarki: what the hell are you doing with your Galaxy S2 if it only lasts 2 - 3 hours? seriously???

i use mine at work with the radio on 8 hours straight non stop, including facebook and internet surfing and messeging/calls, and when i come home, i still have 2 - 3 hours left! not counting the fact that i listen to music when i ride to and from work, so you can ad an hour to that. and yes, mine is a galaxy s 2

[f789790]

My battery barely lasts normally. I don't get how they plan to have EXTREME gaming on it.

[Anarki]

I was playing gunbros the other day and the battery was only lasting a couple of hours lmao

[AAACE5]

Think its fair to say new consoles are needed now.

When mobiles catch up to consoles, its not a good thing. Especially when mobiles have been eating on the consoles plate.

People keep talking about battery life, but there have been advancements in battery designs such as nanocell tech. And there will be more in the future.

[SilentNegotiator]

You think your Iphone is hot? Well my phone starts on....FIIIIRRRRRRE!!!! AHHHHHHH!! IT BURNS!!

[fatstarr]

the battery life wont last 5 mins but lets just say i couldn't watch a full movie on it the pone would either over heat and shut its self down, or just die.

Battery tech while its advancing is still at a crappy level we should have devices by now that could stay on for 48 hours on 1 charge with active use ex texting, online surfing and etc.

[Sarcasm]

Remember Peter, with great power comes great responsibility.

And by that I mean, unless we see games like Uncharted or even Call of Duty on a tablet instead of $5 apps, it's doesn't matter how powerful these tablets or phones will be.

The developers are going to be the driving force.

Take the PC for example, EXTREMELY powerful hardware yet still only a handful of games actually to take advantage of it.

Console gaming isn't going to be replaced anytime soon.

[TBM]

@anarki

i completely agree with you i have a droid 2 and the minute i jump online to browse, use netflix, or play a simple puzzle game like words with friends my battery drains immediately.

for me to use any of these 3 things i have to keep my phone charged. also does anyone notice when you do use any app or browse the web the phone gets really hot?

[nickjkl]

gaming droid you are forgetting ps3 slim was pushing 120 degrees with killzone 2

[UnwanteDreamz]

Even with top notch graphics their still phones. How can a mobile be a better gaming machine then something created that is solely dedicated to gaming.

Short answer is it wont be better then a hanheld that is only created for gaming. I'm not saying not worth owning,

[Anarki]

Not only that but gaming these days on a handheld is insanely hard with touchscreen controls.

[BeastlyRig]

It's not hard to believe after 6-7 years this is possible..

I think one day mobile will pass consoles..

ipads & 1nm gpus & 20w 6 core cpus will have less heat & more power! & will be upgraded every year! While consoles will be a 7 - 10 year upgrade.. Can't wait for ipad 20!

or consoles will probably be like onlive by then..

Only took them 4 year since the iphone 1 to match consoles great!

btw I haven't seen physics this good on consoles yet!
- http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Ulf]

20nm is a barrier for battery powered devices, due to electron loss issues that cause constant power drain at manufacturing process scales below that.

Mobile electronics are going to stop evolving by about 2014, for that reason, unless someone comes up with an amazing solution for the physics problem at hand, or comes up with a fantastic new mobile power source to replace batteries.

Desktop chips can continue to evolve down to about the 10nm range, where similar physics issues get in the way. Even so, Desktop electronics at the 14 and 10nm scales will consume enormous amounts of power, due to the same electron loss issues that would plague mobile devices at those scales.

[TheDareDevil]

They might be as powerful as the 360/PS3, but you won't be seeing Crysis, Metro, Fallout and the likes releasing on mobiles, so what's the point?

How many mobile owners will want to pay $60 for a game that's way too complex for them to understand, when they can kill 5 minutes of their time with Angry Birds and Doodle Jump?

[J5Feedback]

"I think one day mobile will pass consoles"

....What?

[colony]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
oh if you only knew what you were talking about, this forum would be a nice place.

show me iphone do this and ill throw both my pc and consoles out the window.

oh and you showed off a tech demo... we have alot of pretty tech demos out there

[TheFreak]

Samsung Galaxy s 2!!!!

[Pandamobile]

I have one. It is a beast :)

[specialguest]

I have a Samsung Galaxy S 1. ***Sadness***

[Anarki]

I have it also and the battery life is poor when you're playing games... idle is fine..

[sourav93]

Thing is, would I want to play full on harcore console type games on the way to work? No. I'd probably stick with something casual e.g. Doodle jump...console level graphics not required there :P

[subtenko]

This is why consoles should take their time and advance their tech from the current generation FULLY to another level for their next generation console..

Now...Im not gonna mentions any names here, but yall know what Im talkin about x}

Agree or Disagree if you Agree

[Lazy_Sunday]

Doesn't matter, my Macbook Air pwned my PS3 in performance last November. That's hard for me to swallow.

[x5exotic]

PS3 out PSP is almost a ps2
PS4 out Vita is almost a ps3
(not complaining at all btw)

[andron]

Well touch gaming has it's limitations and I'm not getting any tablet for gaming purposes or any other for that matter....

[STK026]

But mobile GPUs can also find their way in smartphones like the Xperia Play, which actually has physical buttons. Also interesting, if what he says is true, by the end of 2012 or in 2013, smartphones and tablets could be more powerful than the 3DS and the Vita CPU and GPU wise (as smartphones adn tablets already have much more RAM than any of these systems).

If HTC or Smasung (or any other Android phone manufacturer) were to release a smartphone similar to the Xperia Play in 2012/2013, they could potentially be real contender in the handheld gaming market, at least for the more casual customer, and all that for a lower price than the Vita thanks to subsidisation.

[BubloZX]

lol most phones on the market are already graphically superior to the 3DS

[bozebo]

"If HTC or Smasung (or any other Android phone manufacturer) were to release a smartphone similar to the Xperia Play in 2012/2013, they could potentially be real contender in the handheld gaming market, at least for the more casual customer, and all that for a lower price than the Vita thanks to subsidisation."

this ^

But the main reason they would be good is because Android is an open platform, developing for 3ds or psv means nint/sony have a say in it and you have to pay them royalties on sales; same as console vs PC.

[Rush]

They also have there advantages, for instance what's better to play a tactics game like Final Fantasy Tactics on, or a Strategy game like Command and Conquer?

They are also completely capable of offering the same experience as controller, on game's where fast precise movement is not insanely important like turn based J-RPG's.

And don't tell me games like Angry birds play better on the PS3 with the analog stick. Anyway my point is touch screen controls aren't worse there just different.

It's like asking PC gamers do they think controllers are accurate and do they like to use them. Alot of PC gamers hate controllers and can't stand them different strokes for different folks.

Edit: typo's

[MrAwesome]

Simpler games(Angry Birds, Doodle Jump, Plants vs Zombies) do have an advantage in mobile devices, but when playing FPS or action games the experience will never come close to that of a controller or a keyboard and it's not because of preference but more of reliabilty and control, just try playing CoD or BFBC2 on a phone or tablet.

[andron]

I'm speaking mainly for myself here, but my point is often you struggle more with the controls on touch gaming than more traditional gaming. Also the relatively small screen on most tablets isn't what I'd prefer for most of my gaming.

Tablets and smart phones have their use when travelling or in short sessions. But there is a point when the better graphics don't really have a large impact on these small screens. A dedicated mobile gaming device will have advantages over these smart phones for some time.

And if they designed Angry Birds for more traditional controls it would probably control better when played on PS3/PSP. Angry birds have a fairly simple game play anyway as many touch games do...

[blackburn10]

When you get twin joysticks and shoulder buttons call me. Until then consoles and handheld gaming systems for me. Graphics are pointless without control.

[DigitalRaptor]

Totally, totally true.

How many PSP gamers craved and begged Sony for a PSP with dual analogue? And how many rejoyced when the Vita was announced sporting that exact request? It makes all the difference, and when you don't even have a single analogue stick, that is even worse.

Who cares about high-end graphics when the gameplay is completely sucky because of a limited control interface?

Don't get me wrong there are some great mobile games, but they're not in the same league as the ones on dedicated gaming machines.

[Rainstorm81]

Exactly all these graphics yet you are unable to control a character in 3d space....

Whats the point? Beautiful point and click and swipe adventures?

[zero_cool]

We have near playstation 3 quality graphics on a mobile gaming device it's called playstation vita!

[Raendom]

Shame Sony finalized in 2010 because you just know the iPhone will have better graphics, luckily though the only people who develop on iPhone do 2D games and the ones that are 3D don't even look as good as PSP games (excluding the ones on rails)

[Ulf]

Objective-C is a terrible language to develop in (with regards to performance), and OpenGL ES isn't exactly high performance, either. There are a lot of factors that stop a generic mobile device from being able to compete with a dedicated gaming handheld, given the same hardware.

That said, I even doubt the iPhone 5 will match the Vita's CPU and GPU at all. It will likely be on par with the iPad 2, but in a handheld form factor.

[bozebo]

Also, anything made by Apple is extremely overpriced.

[Raendom]

iPod touch is extremely fairly priced. Especially the 4G with the retina display and 720p camera.

[bozebo]

keep telling yourself that, tried comparing it to other similar devices?

[jukins]

power is good but what good is that power if the best its gonna see is angry birds?

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

exactly. Even if it was true there would have to be games that use it. Console games will always be bigger than mobile games. We have games that dont fit on a dvd that holds 8+ gigs. Do people really think that anyone would want to DL a 8 gig full games on a phone if they could?

They need to start making more quality games specifically for these devices if they want to compare it to console gaming.

[Cpt_kitten]

yeah, but there still phones and will never count as a gaming device especially if its an apple product

[Inside_out]

.
No surprise " IF " you have been following WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING for the last few years.

New consoles are needed NOW, but greed and power corrupt so while I was convinced that 2012 would be the start of a new gen...I'm not convinced anymore that it will...sad really.

Everything says it will but Epic coming out and saying that the 360 has more to give is a red flag and after all their talk about needing new hardware, it's a complete reversal that tells me that at the very least, we might see another Gears game THIS gen...I hope not.

[sikbeta]

It's that difficult to understand? the ten year life cycle for the PS3 doesn't mean it'll not be a new console before that cycle ends, the PS2 had a ten year plan but it's selling now, it's in the market for more than 10 years, the PS3 was released in 2006, that was the sixth year of the PS2 life cycle, come on dude, it's not that hard to understand...

[Dart89]

Come on man he's a troll no point in trying to teach them they never learn.

[MysticStrummer]

No need to follow what anyone says, least of all you. When the ten year lifecycle was first brought up, I knew what it meant and so did all my gaming friends.

I don't feel the need for a new console yet, but maybe that's because of the console I bought.

If you need better graphics to enjoy another Gears, I'd say Gears isn't all that great of a game in the first place.

OT - It doesn't matter to me how advanced the graphics on a phone get. I do very little gaming on my phone and that won't change.

[peowpeow]

I thought you were just a BF3 troll, turns out you really are that dimwitted

[dredgewalker]

It's not impossible to match the graphics but can deliver both graphics and gameplay? Also without any dedicated buttons these multipurpose devices will always be lacking the proper interface for smooth gaming.

[sikbeta]

Even if mobile HW achieve that kind of "power", still don't have resources like Console Manufacturers have, mobile gaming is becoming popular bu it'll get to a point in which it'll be over-saturated with the same kind of mini-games...

[xtremegamerage]

I think the lighting in uncharted 1 in different area's was amazing, water and snow in uncharted 2 and in uncharted 3 water again has been upgraded and sand now.

Graphics will never drop off, there will always be something new somewhere.

I have an HTC phone, but i don't use it for gaming. Not really my thing.

My son has psp and will have a vita soon enough. But unless a phone has analogue sticks, full use buttons then why would you bother. I know sony has the psp phone. So maybe see where that goes.

[RaptorGTA]

Thats great with GPU power..but without physical buttons its still gonna be a pain to play...or maybe Im old fashion.

..you kids get off my lawn!

[FAGOL]

I can't stand touch controls for gaming.

[Ulf]

Sorry, this just isn't true, unless you qualify it by stating that, given that mobile devices typically cap out at around "540p", the per-pixel workload that these GPUs could hande could work out to about the same as rendering a 720p image on a PS3 or 360.

The Qualcomm Adreno 220, despite being awesome, is not even one quarter the GPU that the PS3 or 360 have. The 320 isn't due out until very late 2012 (more likely it won't hit retail until 2013), and I sincerely doubt it'll be able to match the PS3/360 GPU even then... although certainly it'll be close. Maybe half as powerful.

With half the pixels to work on (960x540 == 518.4K vs 1280x720 == 921.6K), I can see where the statement might be "true-ish". It could probably deliver the same quality, *per pixel*.

[plmkoh]

Don't even begin to talk about the tech-specs. No developer will even try to develop games that really push the hardware if they can only sell the mobile phone game for $5 at most.

[MGRogue2017]

"all aboard the hype train!"

[divideby0]

as we approach manufacturability @ 22nm the material set of construction totally changes and performance, while reduction of heat will make these types of graphics very doable + the addition of a new display type... cant wait..

[divideby0]

DA if you blind DA, you have no idea what I am talking about.. I just build this stuff....LMAO

[Stealth2k]

to bad theres no console gameplay, controls, depth. Graphcis are worthless by themselves

[silvacrest]

dont be stupid, the future is hear, expect to see manufacturers take advantage of this power very soon

[Stealth2k]

you dont be stupid. As long as mobile games are of the gameboy quality. Thats not the future. Thats the nightmare.

[silvacrest]

do you really think thats all we are gonna get?

developers like EA are jumping on board, why are you so against this anyway? more choice is always better whether you like it or not

[Stealth2k]

ea is jumping on board with peggle.........

[silvacrest]

so i guess you missed D.A.R.K and battle field 2, right?

[PIayStation]

The future doesn't have to please you, it can very well be a nightmare as long as these corporate offices make money off their "5 dollar games"

[josephayal]

Impossible the PS3 is a Super Computaa

[zero_cool]

Well sony did call the PS3 a super computer for entertainment.

[death2smoochie]

Notice how Sony said this and no one else did lol

[qwertyz]

@josephayal @ zero_cool
wasn't it the same sony that said ps3 would output games at 120fps(120hz) and would be capable of 4d graphics(not 3d but 4D, 4 dimensional) which doesn't even exist. lol sony lies. if the ps3 was a super computer why can't it match crysis 1 running MEDIUM settings( not even high or highest) ? why can't any ps3 game even match bulletstorm on pc or dead space 2 pc ? why ? even a 2006 high end pc is more powerful than ps3 and 360 combined alot of you are too ignorant to realize the cell has MANY weaknesses lol

the ps3 is a super computer that can't even emulate PS2 ? even the late generations of PENTIUM 4 those that came out in 2005 right before core 2 duo(not even core 2 duo) can emulate ps2 at full speed 720p
thats why all the ps2s with backwards compatibility have the ps2s emotion engine in built that was later removed to save costs that's why the newer models of ps3 cant play ps2 games.

even a 2006 core 2 DUO(not even quad or extreme) would blow the PS3 cell out of the water you know there's more to a cpu than single precision compute power ? how about addressing the cells weaknesses such as
1) weak ppe( instruction decode rate can bottleneck the spes)
2) weak branch prediction(spus only use static branch prediction which is the most simplistic and crappy form the ppe hs a 3 way branch unit but its not enough to keep up with all the spus)
3) low amount of HIGH latency L2 cache(complete fail)
4) in order execution(which is highly inefficient compared to the out of order execution cpus from 2006 onward utilize)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

5) spus not being able to access RAM directly(they have to rely on the ppe which is already slow) which is another bottleneck

The cell has alot of weaknesses it can't even stand against a core 2 duo and you really think it can match current sandybridge cpus ? lol thats a good one. technology hasn't been asleep for the last 5 years. intel and amd are not stupid if the cell architecture was that powerful we'd be seeing something similar in our pcs today but are we ? NO. You want to know why steve jobs turned down the cell for intel cpus ? because he is a very brilliant man.

www.netlib.org/lapack/lawnspd f/lawn185.pdf

there is more to a cpu than just THEORETICAL single precision computational power thats what alot of people fail to realize. single precision flops only help with graphics and SOME physics operations(comples physics require branch prediction power which cell doesn't have) that doesn't determine power of a cpu its just 1 thing out of so so many things.

even mr tretton admits that all the above are weaknesses of the cell. look at his reply when I listed the flaws of the cell.

http://n4g.com/news/807666/...

"I think you were missing my point while trying to school me on things I know about. "

the flaws of the cell are so numerous that he couldn't even deny it lol. 2006 pc>>>>>>ps3/ 360. PC FTW

the cell just like the 360s cpu is a piece of sh*t.

The cells power is NOT limitless the ps3s cell is outdated the roadrunner version is much much much much more powerful than the ps3 version wasn't enough to compete with intel and amd in the server market so IBM had to develop power6 and power7.

you console fanboys are ignorant when it comes to technology.

[silvacrest]

wow, so many disagrees makes me think that alot of people here are living in denial so, i'll be clear, the 360/PS3 is 6 years old, mobile CPU/GPUs matching it is not so unbelievable, look at the vita for proof

a bigger battery is always a option and these CPU/GPUs are more power efficient with every new variation

instead of the haters hating they need to think about how this is a GOOD thing and not really threatening

[Agent_hitman]

We already saw that on PSVITA so yeah.... great!

[cheetorb]

Sure that's "neat" for a phone and great when I want to waste 5 min playing some little disposable game. Don't get me wrong, I like the little arcadey games but the real fun happens on my 62" HD TV with a console. So forgive me if I'm not as excited as a phone rep or Qualcomm boss.

[Venjense]

Hmm maybe in the future MS and Sony fanboys will put aside there petty differences to unite against a bigger threat to their beloved console - smart phones and casual games.

[blackburn10]

No threat to me as a Sony gamer. No true gamer falls for this $hit.

[guitar_nerd_23]

On the note of buttons there are solutions out there, google 'Phonejoy' it's a bluetooth Playstation style gamepad for Android but its nearly always out of stock because the guy is still nailing down the manufactoring logistics.

[GrilledCheeseBook]

Tegra 3 (Kal-El) series
Processor: Quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore, up to 1.5 GHz
12-Core Nvidia GPU with support for 3D stereo
Ultra Low Power GPU mode
40 nm by TSMC
Video output up to 2560x1600
NEON instruction sets from ARM
1080p H.264 High Profile video decode
The Kal-El chip (CPU and GPU) is to be about 5 times faster than Tegra 2
To be released in the second half of 2011

Tegra (Stark) series in 2014 is supposed to be 75x's stronger than Tegra 2.

They are getting pretty beefy but the games will probably still be fairly basic compared to PSVita games

[Perkel]

it's same beefy as pc gaming rigs.

Consoles are purely createed for gaming and even 4x worse console specs. will get beter results than proper tablet or phone.

Remember god of war 2 where it looked outstanding for a console with 312Mhz with 32 ram where Pc rigs where in GHz not Mhz .....

[death2smoochie]

Those Nvidia chips you mentioned are actually more powerful than whats inside the Vita.
Kal-El the first of Nvidia's move to Quad core chipset has more GPU cores than whats inside the Vita.
The GalaxyS 3 will have that chipset and be released before the end of 2011.
In 2012 Nvidia releases Wayne. 2013 they release Logan.
All these chips will be significantly faster than Vita and most likely these SuperPhones running it will have more than 1gig of ram.

[Ingram]

Yeah...SuperMegaPhones. Stop fapping, It works both ways. A phone more powerful than Vita? Possible. The catch? Seven hundred and ninety nine dorar. Rings a bell? Even in that scenario, as someone already pointed out, games won't be da bomb, because it would be a 5 quid an app ecosystem.That means low production cost.Low production cost means no juggling with the hardware to squeeze it.

In the end, It will be like PC gaming but worse.Lots of Ghz for posh user to boast, no hardware optimization at all.

[OpenGL]

@ Vaistrat

or $199-299 with a 2 year contract

but yeah as others said even with better hardware smart phones will not be able to match Vita graphics for awhile because developer tools likely won't be as good, budgets won't be nearly as high, and there should be less OS overhead on the Vita.

[Bolts]

The tech turns of smartphones are basically on a six months basis, a tech turn a hand held or a console? Years, and in the PS3 case, half a decade.

It's pretty easy to see who is going to win his horse race. In fact the smartphones have already won in some areas. Droid Atrix 1 GB RAM > PS3 512MB.

[ballsofsteel]

considering the PS3's and 360's GPU were designed in what 2004 or 2005 that isn't very impressive

[Soplox]

We know that its called the PS Vita

[Chocoboh]

use graphene instead of silicone for handhelds, easy

[divideby0]

^ not within the next 7 yrs.. not even on a roadmap

[Sarobi]

Technology waits for no one, computers and mobile devices become more advanced as the months go by, if mobile devices are catching up to current gen GPU power by next year, what will they become the year after and the next?, some will talk about not liking the controls, having no console games, and not liking the screen size, i am sure as time passes these companies will deliver to those things such as..

-HD output
-Accessories for the devices
-Cloud gaming services like OnLive (and the many others that are trying to follow)

Sure I'm not going to replace a console for said devices, but that doesn't mean they can't replicate what consoles do.

[zero_cool]

id say playstation vita is a power house & has strong developer support to push mobile gaming to the next level in many ways with a reasonable price tag to match!Sony is poised to rock the mobile market & there have the goods to back it this time around & didn't do bad job last time.

[SITH]

I believe it. Galaxy on Fire 2 is an amazing looking game. The best game I ever bought on my iphone.

[archemides518]

no they won't. they won't be anywhere close to killzone 2. maybe they'll be close to some of the worst bargain basement games though but nobody wants to play those anyway.

the control will still be garbage regardless.

[unicronic]

The Vita is a mobile gaming platform and boasts PS3-ish graphical quality.

[StarWolf]

yea but this is not a sony product and this is a Sony website..so you should expect these type of replies.

[unicronic]

@ StarWolf

Thanks for pointing that out. I shake my head at how ferocious people will defend their console of choice.

If a mobile platform came out which offered a compelling experience why wouldn't we get it?

[RyuCloudStrife]

for the Wii U

[RevXM]

Phones will never be real gaming devices.

No physical input (Buttons and sticks etc) PS phone fails hard due to cheap build quality halfhearted controls and gameselection/quality.

Phones no matter if they are as powerful as dedicated gaming handhelds or whatever got a problem.
There is no standard. The hardware for each device is different and the software aint made specifically for it.

Android is made so it can be run on a number of different hardware variations for the likes of userfriendlyness and cost. Its much like for example running Ubuntu on PS3... you would barely be able to run games on it then. It would pherhaps struggle hard to run the original Unreal or Halo, 10-13 year old games.
Just an example its not quite as dramatic as that, but you get the idea. the software and lack of quality physical controls will be the bottlenecks for phones and tablets.

Phones wont succed unless they become consoles with Phone functionality... and that would be kind of a niche market as most manufacturers make phones that are ment to appeal to average joe and it cant be done when they want to keep pushing out many new models every 6 months.

Phones will always be for the casual and simple enjoyable games.

And portable consoles aint going anywhere soon.

[xX-StolenSoul-Xx]

I don't see why it would'nt get that good. Personally i don't game on portables for screen being to small (play ipod games sometimes) But it's been 6-7 years since graphics were good and i don't see why cell phones can't get as good. Common sense.

[Neko_Mega]

Phones no, Tabs maybe. Things like PSVita yes.

[BitbyDeath]

Cool, well no doubt we'll also be getting flying cars, robot maids/butlers and world peace all in 2012.

[death2smoochie]

Now the world peace thing is another kettle of fish altogether LOL

[Knightofelemia]

They may boast PS3 and 360 graphics but at what coast. It will eat the battery life up on those tablets. Those graphics might be nice but they still don't have XBL or PSN for online gaming with friends and those little tablets would sure eat the data plan on a cellphone bill through Verizon. I still perfer console gaming the fact I can get 5 or more years out of my console compared to three years with a tablet and a tablet is like a PC always changing year after year. I own a tablet its great but I don't use it for gaming.

[mateo124]

This is kinda a good thing. Anyway I'll be stuck with my iPhone 4 till then. I guess it would be good to skip the 5.

[yamzilla]

games like infinity blade and Rage HD on the iphone ALREADY look better than 60% of ps3/360 games and DESTROY ugly piece of trash looking games like Shadows of the Damned!

This trend will only continue, face it, the ps3 and 360 are DINOSAURS!!
Slowly sinking into the tarpits!

my grandmas laptop has more power!

[kaozgamer]

ye but not at hd resolution.

[AO1JMM]

I would hope so....360 and PS3 tech isnt exactly new anymore and thats being nice.

[Sci0n]

lol my droid smart phone nearly already tops the xbox 360 specs wise. It has a dual core processor built in and runs in full native 1080p. The only thing its missing is a gpu chip and that's because its a phone not a gaming platform. I am pretty sure if the companies wanted to make the leap they easily could.

[palaeomerus]

When they match those graphics at the same or a lower price and can put a full HD image on a TV or monitor by HDMI then let me know. I'll switch.

[denero1]

nexus prime -_- googles next phone is going to be a beast -_-

but the battery life is still a big problem my htc evo can't even get thru angry birds without getting drained :(

[DanSolo]

Just make a PS Vita phone and I will be buying that day one!

[Kos-Mos]

Most gamers seem to demand better graphics. Last generation there were not so much talk about graphics. It was more about the games.
I demand better games.
Try to play Punchout for NES and tell me honestly it`s still not a VERY addictive game to play.

Ps: Good graphics is not a bad thing, but good graphics makes a game fantastic in teen-brains only.

[galmi]

as for me, i don't see it happening, companies say stuff sometimes just to make what they're doing seem super important, they could have graphics that's very good as of now like infinity blade for the i-devices, tablet gaming has too many limitations

[Kennytaur]

I don't understand the facination with gaming tablets and phones. I like that they can play games, but why have them compete with consoles when the experience you get will be terrible in comparison, they should focus on their true purpose. It also makes handheld gadgets like tablets and phones way too expencive. I mainly play GBA-ish games on my phone as I don't care for super fancy graphics on a handheld, there's just no need for it. Handheld consoles like the 3DS and Vita is a different story because they are made for games, and they cost only half of what many new phones do and give you a better gaming experience. If I want to google or read an ebook, I'll use a tablet. If I want to game, I'll use a PS3/360 or a PC... You can buy a PS3 and a 3DS for the price of a tablet these days, it's ridiculus, and I know what I'd pick.

[esemce]

BullShizzle!

[dkgshiz]

eh...nope

[trollkill]

Lol maybe or maybe not either way the graphics part is irrelevant being they won't get the exclusive console offer nor the awesome gameplay. Handhelds are limited in many ways but the controls are the big turn off . You can't compare games on phones to the quality of games on a dedicated console, nort even handhelds which are dedicated gaming machines can do that in most cases (maybe vita will change that).