Blog debate: PS3 to load games slower than the Xbox 360

From the "PS3 can't get a publicity break" file comes news that the system's Blu-ray load times will be slower than the DVD speeds of the Xbox 360.

[frostbite06]

Well of course. The 360 has always had the edge when it came to the games.

[HiSpeedSoldier61]

Hmmm...the 360 has ALWAYS had the edge when it comes (not came) to games. Funny, most of these MS f@gboys don't even realize that the PS3 isn't even out yet, yet they feel they can already judge the integrity of the ps3s software. Typical BS!

[frostbite06]

What you fail to realize young hispeedsoldier (ironic cause the platform you blatently are a fanboy of has slow loading) is that the edge i spoke of was that the 360 has the better games. And yes i know i said nothing new, but sometimes those damn fonyboys just have to hear it again.

[Capt CHAOS]

Lol

[Zoidy]

Yes, game loading speed is slower on the PS3 Blu-Ray drive, which is why the PS3 uses cacheing to hard drive - this was all announced some time ago and is common knowledge!

[Gamer13]

I hate when stuffs gos slow, but this won,t stop me from buying a PS3.

[General]

Takes longer to load the games up because the games look so good :D

[cue kalamos]

it takes longer becuse they are using a slower BR drive

[kingboy]

we know 360 rocks ,no need.we just some bastards waiting on the ps3 ,if it`s fine with u ?

[blindrocket]

Blu-ray read speed is constant from any part of the disc where on DVD it's a maximum read spead.

[PittzBlitz2003]

With the 360's DVD (CAV) drive, the read speed is 12x at the outer edge of the disc but only 6x at the inner edge of the disc. Programers get around this by putting information that needs to be read faster on the outer edge of the DVD, so it will still be faster than Bluray. Bluray reads at a constant rate but only beats the 360 drive at its slowest speed. So unless Sony uses a 4x bluray player, load times will most likely be longer.

[Bill Nye]

"A 12x CAV drive like the one in the 360 will be 12x speed for around 15% of the outer disc, that figure is peak performance. The closer to the inner ring it gets the slower accesses get (5x speed on the inner ring) - probable average: around 8x speed. Another interesting thing seems to escape everyone is that the 12x DVD drive in the 360 only reads dual layer discs at a maximum of 8x speed. As it was in single layer, the 8x speed is peak performance. The 2x speed BD drive performs quite well in this case: a BD25 on PS3 fares better than a DVD9 on the 360. The great majority of 360 games are and will be pressed on DVD9s. Another interesting point with existing CLV BD drives is that they do not have the dual layer penalization with DVD dics. If a BD drive is rated to read DVDs at 8x, it will read dual layer DVDs at 8x as well. This is why Sony is comfortable with its choice and knows it will hold its own against MS's choice in the DVD format."

http://ozymandias.com/archi...

[uxo22]

I read a lot of off the top of the head statistics around here without any official references. Can some of you people start putting where you are finding this information about drive performance and everything else. So that we can read them from the Official source instead of quoting a bunch of 10th generation hear say.

Thanks

[Yo Wassap]

Why do people post stuff like this it will only start a flame war...

[Asuka]

the PS3 comes with a STANDARD HDD in every box.

[achira]

the ps3 will load much faster. transfer rate is not the only one. the max transferrate will rarely be reached on the xbox360. but what ppl forgot is the seek time of the drive, and there is blue ray a lot faster !! wait till tgs and you will see it !!! as if sony would make such bs, hahaa poor lemmings.

[Yo Wassap]

I don't see how blue ray would be faster as it's just a disk like DVD. Yes it can hold a lot more information but loading times would surely be down to the console itself.

Anyway you can invest in your Paystation, i think i will be holding onto my 360 for a little longer thank you

[Sidherich]

i really think that you only say those things in order to "provoke" others since i hardly see anyone arguing that loosely as you ;)

on to some more technical matters:

seek time would be important if you had lots of small files scattered throughout the layout. Once you find your data and start copying incrementally seek time is meaningless. And believe me when i say that developers can layout the files the way they want on their respective optical medium.

other than that i hardly believe that the ps3 will have such a low seek time (can't find any sources backing your claims btw) that it would negate the effects of slow data throughput.

in the end developers will find ways to optimize towards their target platform but that is not ours to discuss isnt it? from a pure technical point the ps3 might suffer from long load times.

[Asuka]

BD is not the same as DVD in some respect. The standard "DVD" spins slowly at first, while the BD spins at a constant speed at all times.

just my 2 cents

[Sidherich]

if we would have a constant spin on a blue ray disc we would get different read speeds from the beginning towards the end.

lets say that that the disc spins 5 times per second and has a radius of 10cm with the data starting at 2cm. lets say that every mm we can store 1Byte of data.

thus we would compute

5 ( amount of spins per second ) x length of the circle computed by 2 x radius x PI

so at 2cm (beginning of the CD) we read

5 x 2 x 2 cm x PI = 62.8316 cm = 628.316 mm

so we could read about 628 byte per second

lets see how fast we can read at the end ( 10cm )

5 x 2 x 10 cm x PI = 314.1593 cm = 3141.593 mm

which is about 3141 Bytes/Second which is alot more than the 628 bytes we could read at the beginning.

but i think you meant constant read speed instead of constant spin. for constant read speed the spin is higher while reading the inner part and getting slower while reading the outer parts.

[Sidherich]

as i described above the Blu-Ray uses a variable spin in order to archieve constant read speed which has a negative effect on seek time ;)

in order to find your data and effectively read it you need to find the correct position and spin the disc with the correct speed.
spinning too fast or too slow and you will read faulty data. So you not only have to move the Laser you also have to adjust the disc speed which isnt a very fast thing to do because of the discs momentum.

[The Real Deal]

Non one believes anything you just typed. Can you show us something that supports your bogus claims? Next Gen isn't suppose to be SLOW. Thats pitiful. And most of the Blu ray space will be mutliple languages and extra non game content. lol..... When will sony fans realize they put blu ray in to push their formatt. Not for games. If you don't believe me, here is a link that should open your eyes. Jump In.

http://ozymandias.com/archi...

[Sidherich]

how comes that people try to argue about technical details? There are 2 basic problems i see with that:

1. Most of the ones arguing have to rely on information provided by 3rd persons. They normally dont check the source and just claim it as a fact. In really love to discuss technical stuff as some people might have noticed by now. So i really enjoyed the discussion between ozymandias and Mark DeLoura.

2. Technical facts say nothing about the value of a console. The old Dreamcast was a pretty powerfull machine and if it would still available ( and would have a DVD addon ) it would most likely position itself between PS2 and XBox from a performance point of view. Still this console went down the drain unfortunately.

[CAPS LOCK]

RE: "First of all, multiple languages on a disc is a big deal(See your entry on mod chips for import games). It contributes greatly to Sony's statements that the PS3 will be region-free."

It'll be interesting to see what happens here. Having multiple languages on a disc doesn't necessarily mean the disc will run in every region. It's pretty simple to region code a disc at manufacturing time - in which case the game would use the appropriate language and only that language. I still believe region coding will be a way of life for all of the next-gen consoles... guess we'll see in a few months!

[TheMART]

PSZero

THIS IS DYING!

[360lagman]

Another M'S attack omg they should worry bout there product not attacking. they havent beat PS1 PS2 dumb4ss M'S.
whoever believe rumor is a stupid moronic. this is not official just another s2pid M's attck .360 fanboys laugh all yo want your just jealous hahahahahahaha . Get it Got it good

[shotty]

So when Sony says that Blu-ray is required for next-gen that okay but when microsoft shows facts of disc load times it's BS. Stop being arrogant and let's say both companies are trying to sell the most amount of consoles as possible.

If 2 out of the 3 next gen console makers are sticking with standard DVD and only one is using next gen disc and it also happens to be that that maker is sony and owns a majority of stock in Blu-ray and stand to take profits in the billions if blu-ray is mainstream. I think you should question sony's intentions with this next gen system that they are building.

So does sony really care so much about developers making biggers games that the only option that sony thought of was using blu-ray at the expense of slower loads, more expensive drives and experimental (new) drives that have only entered the consumer market. This issue could have easily been solved by releasing bigger games on multiple disc like in the past. I wonder why nobody at sony thought of that, maybe because this gives sony a chance to create a new format and hopefully monapolize the market and get some easy money. Think about it if single discs are actually that important that why not go with HD-DVD which is proven technology and is officially released by the dvd-forum, oh wait sony wouldn't make money from that.

People think twice first.

[CAPS LOCK]

ps3 loading times are slower than the 360s but not by alot, so u will have to wait maybe 5-10 sec for a game to load since u put the disc in.

[shotty]

5 to 10 seconds? This is next gen, the xbox 360 already takes 15 to 20 seconds and since the ps3 drive speed is 55% the speed of the 360 load times appear to be a good 30 to 40 seconds.
It's pretty long, count for yourself.

[360lagman]

360 DON'T USE STANDART HARD DRIVE
PS3 USE STANDARD AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .
SEING IS BELIEVING ....
M'S SHOULD WORRY BOUT PS2 PS3 IS NOT EVEN REALEASE YET THEY ALREADY SCARED LOL.
360 WILL END UP 360 BACK TO XBOX LOL
THATS Y THEY CALL IT 360 TO GO BACK A XBOX .

[ironwolf]

get your folks to re-enrole you in 1st grade, 'cause you sure didn't learn to communicate when you were there the first time.

[ElementX]

360Lagman is obviously an inner city thug who doesn't know proper Enlish or spelling skills. Honestly, I'm not sure how he can afford a PS3.

[Sidherich]

http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

the first chart needs some more thinking to understand the numbers but the second chart is the one you want to look at ;)

[djbassay2k5]

generally load of the ps3 wont over 20% faster than or slower than the 360.

even tho dvd dont have a constant transfer rate, devs for the 360 bypassed this by putting the largest files on the outter rim of the disc and the smaller files on the inner rim of the dvd. this has been done on nearly all disc based games.

[djbassay2k5]

"in order to find your data and effectively read it you need to find the correct position and spin the disc with the correct speed.
spinning too fast or too slow and you will read faulty data. So you not only have to move the Laser you also have to adjust the disc speed which isnt a very fast thing to do because of the discs momentum."

seeking would not be if there constant transfer speeds. which means everythign on the disc "should be" sequenced, instead of being placed on different parts of the disc to improve performance

[Sidherich]

you cant sequence game data like you could sequence an audio cd. of course you can improve it by a huge means but you still have to jump over the cd in order to find all the neccessary data needed for gameplay ;)

[BIadestarX]

I can only imagine... the disaster if the PS3 will rely on the hd to prevent load times. Imagine you have 20 games; it is not like you can replace the HD. If some XBox 360 gamers are complaining about not having enough space with the 360 HD (While they can buy more than 1) now think about the PS3. This is not necessarily a good thing; the PS3 should be able to load game faster not slower (w/o the use of another device), this also translates to higher energy bill, and more heat. This is a problem if you are planning to download any content or have lots of games. Do the math, if you have lots of games or use the PS3 to download new content from their online service you will run out of space very fast. Let’s see which one is faster looking into your PS3 HD to see what you want to remove in other to load a game you want to play or Switch a DVD game after 40 hours of game play (4 years from now when games don’t fit on regular DVD and have to come in 2 DVD).

[djbassay2k5]

putting the game data in whole could solve this. and when it come to a point where the game would need to seek previous data. i believe that the dev's for the PS3 just had put multiples of the same data on the disc. hence the 22GB on Resistance.

[Sidherich]

so it generally comes down to two points of view i think:

1. Have low loading times due to compression and a slightly slower seek time but in exchange data is scattered more

2. Have low loading times due to sequencing data with the effect that you may have the same data multiple times on your disc. Compression helps here too.

:D

[gokuss122002]

Even if it is just multi-languages and extra content, that is still better than just the plain game that you are getting for your MID-GEN console the 360, which only has dvd(I laugh everytime I think about that, DVD for "Next-Gen",LOL) a current gen medium.

[DJ]

If you go to the Playstation.com specs page, you'll notice that they've taken off the drive speed information for Blu-ray.

http://www.us.playstation.c...

The scrivener dude (PS3 insider) talked about how Heavenly Sword was loading within 4~5 seconds, and when he asked how the Devs could get that much data loaded in such a short amount of time they gave him "if I told you I'd have to kill you smile."
http://genmay.com/showthrea...

Think that Sony realized that 2x was a little too limiting and wanted to give devs even faster load times than they anticipated? I'm not sure if it's even a possibility since the cost of the system is already pretty high. Then again, this is a long term investment and the costs are only going to decrease as time goes on....

What do you guys/gals think?

[HyperBear]

i do find that weird. WTF is going on. unless, yes. Sony is finally using their site to tell us new info. and this new secret is an updated specs sheet on the site, and u have to look for it. Almost like a Viral Marketing Campaign, except you have to look throught the site and find the clues as to what the launch will bring and everything. I also find it strange how in that article they said yea the 360 drive is faster than the ps3 drive, yet they said that the BD25 drive is better than a 360 DVD-9 drive. Id like someone to figure that out. But yea, ive been gone all weekend and this is just weird to read and come back to.

[Boink]

I wonder if a day is going to go by were there isn't some bad news about the ps3?

they should have had more playabe demos on ACTUAL ps3's(not dev kits, or pcs behind curtains) and e3, then they could have avoided all this negative publicity by having some actual proof.

[HyperBear]

i wished that ppl would a. ease off on bringing the PS3 down, and b. ease off on saying that 360 sucks, cause it doesnt. But yea, im hoping that come TGS and after, it should moist likely be good news from then till launch. Hopefully, they get it together, or else they wont have much fanbase behind them at all. Sony better be glad they still have people behind them.

[timmyp53]

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[LiquifiedArt]

Even after all the lame BS news, and the Lame Xbox Fanboys, etc... I'm still waiting to get ONLY* a PS3 and i know tons of people that are the same way, Even with all this bs going around PS3 will be the Console of CHoice! And thats all that really matters. CHumps!

[ASTAROTH]

Its new techie. Of course it will load slower. Same happened to DVDs they havent reached the speed of CDS. So Stop complaining fanboys and wait till NOVEMBER 17. WELCOM3 CHANG3!!!!

[Daewoodrow]

I really couldn't give a crap about disk read times. It's all pathetic. I never notice how long my game is loading for other than the odd game with a boring load time.

Besides, the Xbox 1 introduced Hard drive caching as standard, and the developers rarely ever used it. What makes you so sure the developers will even use caching to improve the Bluray load times? that kind of thing takes time to program, and not alot of developers have time.

I'm not buying a PS3 because I don't like the games, the console is too expensive, and I hate the whole Bluray scam. That doesn't make the console terrible.

Fanboys aren't even annoying anymore, they're just funny. The average Fanboy is too stupid to warrant actually arguing with them, arguing with a fanboy is an insult to my intelligence.
I'm just going to sit here, enjoying my xbox games, sipping my drink, and laughing at the Fanboys sitting around making stupid arguments they didn't even have the brain to come up with.
Remember that next time you quote a Microsoft or Sony slogan, or run off you favorite Ken Kuturagi keynote quote.

[HyperBear]

I second that opinion. Its just one thing, as long as the drink is beer, then ill join you. LOL. But yea, ill just watch and post comments regularly.

[The Real Deal]

Is loosing fans by the minute/hour/day. Yes there are those waiting for a PS3. But there are many MORE not waiting and not interested mainly due to the price but also all the bad news and very very low buzz. E3 2006....quiet....The games convention in Europe....Quiet. Fact is Sony will never have the market dominance with next gen consoles again. They are like Michael Jackson in the 80's. He was at his peek. Now he still sells but no where near his prime time. Sony's prime time has came and went. They still have their die hard fans...but Microsoft has stolen the thunder and excitement away from Sony. All you have to do is look at E3 2006 and the Game Convention. MS stole the show in both cases. And is still selling at a record pace. Selling more and more "Every" quarter. I would have thought the sales would slow up the closer to the ps3 launch. But they have actually picked up and continue to sky rocket. I know this because my Cousin works at EB games as a manager and he said that at their last district meeting....They mentioned that the 360's are selling out at record pace. And the hype has been building and with the release of Madden and Saints Row, Console have been flying off the shelves at a faster rate than prior. Wait till Gears of War hits....WOW...MS is the unstoppable force. Sony's hype has dwindled away....A high price with no excitement...coupled with constant bad news can do that to you.

[DJ]

I swear you get funnier every day. 360s selling out at a record pace?! lol Yeah, I guess that's why there's so many available. I guess that's why MS refuses to show sales figures for the console and only states how many they've 'shipped'. And even that number keeps getting pushed back. MS could've stolen Sony's thunder, but they squandered their one-year head start. Too bad for them.

Mostly all the gamers I know are waiting for PS3 because they want the best, and a few want the Wii for RedSteel and Metroid (plus the supposed cheap price helps).

The 360 on the other hand tends to get badmouthed...a lot. Even the 360's future killer app, Gears of War, made a few of them laugh once they saw the gameplay vids. =/ I'm totally serious about that, which is why when you say "The crowd went wild, stood up, and started cheering when they showed the Gears trailer at my theater!"...sounds so damn ridiculous. Come on, you're not fooling anyone.

[HiSpeedSoldier61]

Damn,If The Real Deal says so, it must be true ;)
he has all these relatives that provide him with inside information, he claims that excitement for the PS3 has been falling (I don't normally follow the polls, but the PS3 has been rising in anticipation in japan and all over the world over the Wii, which was so far ahead of the PS3 after E3, contrary to what the real deal claims)and according to him and TheMart, two people we know have unquestionable, nonaligned opinions ;) Gears of War will be THE GAME to win the war for MS over Sony. I don't want to sound biased, but after PS3 is released (or maybe just after TGS) and the public experience the PS3 software. everyone but the devout Bill Gates a$$ lickers will say "gears of war WHAT!!!" and everyone will know that now we have truly entered the next generation of gaming. The 360 is an alright system but it is not next-gen.

[shoota33]

Xbox fanboys like real deal and the mart dont want to hear that.They dont want to face the facts that xbox is'nt popular anywhere in the world except in the us.Ps3 is going to outsell xbox again,but i guess they will have to find that out in time.

[jules]

sony is going to feel the cold shoulder of the consumer...as the consumers have a choice ps3@$600 or a 360+2-4games for the same amount...forget the $5oops3...
as for all you loyal fony fans all 5 of you who got hit with hype that dont think the 360 is next gen...kiss my oblivion,doa4.kameo...
and this november gow...scda...forza2... only thing hotter than these 3 is halo3...

ps3/slow br drive sounds like fony...

[shoota33]

If people wanted a pathetic xbox 360 they would have brought one already and not left pyramids of them in every store, but they did'nt cause they are waiting for ps3.

[HiSpeedSoldier61]

Jules, you and TheMart must be some race of super intelligent space monkeys that can predict the future!!!Damn I wish I had the fortune enough to do that (hey dude, could you also tell me what tommorows lotto numbers will be, please!! I'll cut you in on it) all kidding aside, these 360 loyals refuse to accept the fact that price IS NOT the only deciding purchase factor for consumers (because they know that price is the bulk of what the 360 offers) and that Gears of War is the Holy Grail of software that will secure the future for MS. Nonsensical flaming is all these people have. I know its hopeless but they'll wise up in the end(BTW Forza is a complete GT rip off, and Kameo is what was overhyped and underdelivered, not Sony)

[ASSASSYN 36o]

SO IF A FUTURE GAME COMES OUT THAT SHARES ON-LINE 3 COLLABARATION LIKE FINAL FANTASY (XBOX&PS2) THEN IF A(360) STARTED 6 AT THE SAME TIME B(PS3) WHICH GAME PLAYER WILL MAKE IN THE GAME FIRST. OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE ARTICLE I KNOW THE ANS. AND SO DO YOU. 0 THE ANS IS RIGHT INFRONT OF YOU.

[Bhai]

...for as far as anyone can say, with only 4x DVD, no HD-Drive and only 32 mb RAM, PS2 ran Colossus, Jak1,2&3, god of war, Primal and Ghost Hunter etc. perfectly that had seamless worlds, also that the new Rogue Galaxy is said to have no loading times at all...most of the above games are dual layered and above 8 gb in size, so as a 6 years old system can load and display hi-quality textured, seamless games without any difficulty at 4x speed, more efficiently than Xbox or PC(both having more RAM and a HD-drive but no seamless worlds, only streaming pop-up worlds without dynamic loading technology, so lo-quality textures), so why would 2x BD rom WITH an HD-drive falter in this area ?! NAH ! no one can say Sony didn't thought about that, disc reading speed and capability is no problem at all here because history says so !

[Boink]

with all the negative publicity,I wonder how anticipated this console would be had it not carried the sony playstation name?

seriously, had this been the General Election home entertainment system, same features/specs, but not from the makers of the PS2, would anyone still be wanting it?

I'm not putting it down, my curiosity just gets the best of me. Even die hard fans have to admint the constant stream of negative news has got to make you think every now and then.

[The Real Deal]

31.1 - dude.
DJ - 1 Hour ago
I swear you get funnier every day. 360s selling out at a record pace?! lol Yeah, I guess that's why there's so many available. I guess that's why MS refuses to show sales figures for the console and only states how many they've 'shipped'. And even that number keeps getting pushed back. MS could've stolen Sony's thunder, but they squandered their one-year head start. Too bad for them.

Mostly all the gamers I know are waiting for PS3 because they want the best, and a few want the Wii for RedSteel and Metroid (plus the supposed cheap price helps).

The 360 on the other hand tends to get badmouthed...a lot. Even the 360's future killer app, Gears of War, made a few of them laugh once they saw the gameplay vids. =/ I'm totally serious about that, which is why when you say "The crowd went wild, stood up, and started cheering when they showed the Gears trailer at my theater!"...sounds so damn ridiculous. Come on, you're not fooling anyone.

Thats a post from you above. I had to laugh at your pathetic response to the "TRUTH".

E3 and the Game Convention is a Gage to the excitement of consoles. The 360 stole both shows winning just about every award. I'm not making the hype up. Its well documented. The 360 recieved "25" hot titles at the Game convention while the ps3 only had "6". And MS did release how much the "SOLD". Here is the link again...since you keep spreading lies...

http://www.gameshout.com/ne...

Ok. Now that we got your first lie about shipped out the way...let me address the rest of your silly little posting...lol...lol...lol

Yes, there are some fans waiting for a PS3. But there are way more fans buying the 360 and it being their first MS console. I know this because my cousin works at EB and he gets many customers who come in complaining about the price of the ps3 and saying that they have to play Madden Next Gen and don't want to wait and pay more for a ps3. Sorry if that surpises you but it shouldn't. Just about every annalyst say that the 360 will win over market share and in the best case scenario for sony is to tie MS. That backs what my cousin said. Sony Fans are jumping ship every day. Is that hard for you to understand. Its really common sense. lol... Get a clue buddy. lol...lol...lol

The 360 only gets badmouthed by the few sony fans left like you. Even PS3 editors from several news sites recommend their readers to get a 360. Thats the ultimate form of flattery. When an editor for the competition recommends its competitor. So who cares about you and gametime. lol....lol.... You guys are last gen guys. We left you behind last Novemeber. Just play your ps2 and get your ps3 if you can find one and be happy. Just know that you are a rare and dying breed of gamer. The "Lame" Fanboy. lol...lol...lol.... On this site picking sides. lol..... People take my posts as bashing the ps3. And they lie. I just love the 360. Is that possible? To feel highly as PS3 editors do about the 360 and still buy a ps3 for the games? Is that ok by sony fanboys? Or do you have to pick sides and act like idiotts? And I'm the Real Deal. Everything I say is TRUE. You don't have to believe it. You don't have to like it. The truth hurts sometimes.

And yes..."Gears of War" is the game. But don't take my word. Read all the previews from editors that have played it. Or look at all the awards it won at E3. lol..lol...lol....I'm sorry Reistance didn't win anything. I'm sorry no one cared about that game. I'm sorry the ps3 at this point has not one game that can compete with Gears of War. I'm sorry all the games you thought was exclusive are coming to the 360. The only game to win anything for the ps3 "Assasins Creed" is coming on the SAME day as the ps3 version. And all you sony fanboys kept saying it wasn't coming or it was timed exclusive. "NOT". lol...lol...lol...Thanks Microsoft.

[The Real Deal]

Is loosing fans by the minute/hour/day. Yes there are those waiting for a PS3. But there are many MORE not waiting and not interested mainly due to the price but also all the bad news and very very low buzz. E3 2006....quiet....The games convention in Europe....Quiet. Fact is Sony will never have the market dominance with next gen consoles again. They are like Michael Jackson in the 80's. He was at his peek. Now he still sells but no where near his prime time. Sony's prime time has came and went. They still have their die hard fans...but Microsoft has stolen the thunder and excitement away from Sony. All you have to do is look at E3 2006 and the Game Convention. MS stole the show in both cases. And is still selling at a record pace. Selling more and more "Every" quarter. I would have thought the sales would slow up the closer to the ps3 launch. But they have actually picked up and continue to sky rocket. I know this because my Cousin works at EB games as a manager and he said that at their last district meeting....They mentioned that the 360's are selling out at record pace. And the hype has been building and with the release of Madden and Saints Row, Console have been flying off the shelves at a faster rate than prior. Wait till Gears of War hits....WOW...MS is the unstoppable force. Sony's hype has dwindled away....A high price with no excitement...coupled with constant bad news can do that to you.

[The Real Deal]

The company has strong momentum for the Xbox 360. In its fiscal fourth quarter, which just ended June 30, Microsoft sold a quarterly record high 1.8 million game consoles, raising its total sales to 5 million globally.

Microsoft has sold 3.3 million of the popular game machines in the U.S., 1.3 million in Europe and 400,000 in the rest of the world since its Nov. 22 launch last year.

During the holiday quarter last year, Microsoft sold 1.5 million Xbox 360s, increasing sales to 1.7 million during the first three months of this year.

http://www.gameshout.com/ne...

[original seed]

Sony fanboys are gasping for air. I say Fanboys. They need good news and are willing to say anything to gain an upper hand. TGS is a few weeks ahead. If MS steals their thunder again i can see alot more 360 selling

[djbassay2k5]

there is at least 1 billion people within all of those regions the XBOX 360 is in right now. now let if even only 40% can afford to blow $500 this still 400 million, and only 150 million of which are interested in videogames. and from wut you just posted that means 1 in 30 purchased a 360.....

[djbassay2k5]

"IF" the ps3 has some playable demo's like news states at TGS. then i believe the show is going to be a be tug-o-war. i be very interesting to see if the ps3 is as really bad/good as everyone thinks it is

[WOW]

i was a sony fan. if you look back at my posts when i first joined here you will see that i felt like many other sony fans. but i gave in. the high price of the ps3 and the low to no buzz at this years e3 pushed me to get the 360. i never had an xbox and i now konw what 360 fans are so excited about. the 360 is great. i still might get a ps3 but i doubt it. many of the games will be across both platforms and ps3 just has not one good looking title coming at launch. i have lots of friends who have jumped in with the 360 as well. me and all my friends were sony fanboys to the fullest. but that price is killing us. thats too much once you buy a couple games. also on Cnn i saw a news flash today saying that 360's are suprisingly selling out still across the world. its not a suprise to me. what every microsoft ships, sells within a few days. the hype is out of this world.

[The Real Deal]

Thats a beautiful success story. I'm glad you "Jumped In". You are not alone buddy. Many people are Jumping In. Its the cool thing to do now. Saints Row, Madden 2007, Dead Rising. Just those three games alone are pulling in "New" fans. You see, there are 24 million xbox fans that are waiting to either save money to get a 360 or for one to be available. They "ALL" will jump in. But the good thing is, in the meanwhile MS is pulling "X" sony fans every day. Its New "IP" like Saints Row and Dead Rising that are creating a buzz with gamers. Word of Mouth is the best when it comes to Classic Games. Then you got "Gears of War". WOW. Thanks Microsoft.

[jules]

no not really...dont get so worked up your high on sony hype...get a 360 kick that habit...as for holy grail game mine is halo3...not gow if i were a highspeedsonyfan i wouldnt mention halo3 either...just pretend halo3 wasnt there...
dont think i dont give credit to sony on some things though shadow of the collosus....wow...god of war...no ninja gaiden...but great...legend of dragoon...
i dont know the future but i learn from my mistakes and will not likely buy a ps3...
halo3 #1 soldier hail the cheif...

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

for the PS3, its gonna be awesome. The King is arriving on November.

Remember Remember, the 17th of November.

[Sidherich]

... Gears of War is coming the very same day.

[J Allard 360]

It`s good to see sooooo many of you jumping in! Let me first congradulate and welcome you all to my humble home of gaming! You will continue to see HOT titles like GOW and so on in the very near future!! Don`t worry, sony fanboys like gametime , jin kazama , dj and especially kingboy will jump ship and jump in "IF THEY HAVEN`T ALREADY" also!!!! Watch and see!!!

[Say's you]

Knowing that they never had a hand on one of the PS3's,and make one story after another you know all of these are more lie's about the PS3 and the journalists has to make up,to as well wow! I can't believe they would have to make so much lie's to make the PS3 so bad,so it just can't win this years console war how pathetic!.

[The Real Deal]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...

Thanks but "NO THANKS". This is next gen for the ps3? This is the most recent screen shot out right now. And the ign preview of the demo they played was not very impressive. Enjoy sony fans. lol..."Yucky". lol

[DJ]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...

[Say's you]

some of you Sony fans alway's fall for the Microfony fans tricks,I'mean give me a break Microsoft is just a suck up there just going to be poor in no time flat after they spend all there money the way there doing by advertising there weak ass! Xbox 360,and plus there's way more fans in my peoples contenint of Asia like Japan Phillippines China and the other Asian regions so it wont matter if they lose some Sony Fan boys here,there's billions of them over there in the Asia contenint lol.

[Say's you]

To win in the console wars lol not even close only 5 million units sold? like wow! thats not even impressive as they would hope that it would be knowing that 5 million is pretty weak! for the Xbox 360.

[Funky Town_TX]

It does not matter. Sony will still kill M$. Facts are facts.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

but "NO THANKS"
OverG Fighters
Enchanted Arms

wait wait wait,
http://www.gamespot.com/xbo...
Thats a review of Bomberman. Enough said. No game on a next Gen system should get a 2.9/10, but "Thanks Microsoft" You did it.

Bomberman: Act Zero - 2.9
"a new game for the Xbox 360, called Bomberman: Act Zero, has been released, and it somehow makes all of the mediocre Bomberman games of the past 10 years seem fantastic by comparison. In fact, the only purpose Bomberman: Act Zero serves, and the only distinction it achieves, is to take the series to absolute rock bottom so there's nowhere left to go but up from here. "

HAHAH,LOL!!!!!!!
Thanks Microsoft

I dont even have to list the rest of the sucky gams on the 360.

[DJ]

I remember those abysmal reviews. Talk about a pisspoor reason to buy a 360; I miss the old versions.

[The Real Deal]

In the same time period Sony is estimated to only sell 3 million. So for sony fans to bash the world record of 5 million in 6 months after launch is "Hilarious". lol..... Ps2 didn't do it. Ps1 didn't do it. Nintendo has never done it. Sega never did it. Xbox 1 didn't do it. But the 360 has. 5 million sold in the fastest time "EVER". Wow. And MS has the record for most games sold per console at 4.9 compared to Sony's 1.8. lol...That is "Hilarious". And MS has the record for most accessories "SOLD" per console as well. Breaking records left and right. Owning sony at E3 2006 and the Game Convention in Europe. Recieving more awards than sony and wowing the crowds of 1000's of people. Thanks Microsoft. You are over delievering while sony continues to under deliever. Sony tricks people.

Sony's Premium machine don't even come with hdmi cables. So in actuality if you want the premium machine that sony has to offer you need to buy 100 plus dollar cables just to plug it into your hdmi tv. 700 dollars. lol....Yeah "OKAY". 360 with an hdmi adapter is 500 Premium.

[The Real Deal]

Is better than anything Sony has to show for its launch. lol..lol...lol...lol....

P.S. I agree. It ain't too good. lol...lol...lol

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Realdeal, Get real.

[The Real Deal]

http://xe360.com/article/Xb...

http://www.gameshout.com/ne...

[DJ]

"I also do not claim to be a techno guru with the T.V department but that what they were selling. I was searching around the xbox forums to see if this is old news and an interesting tidbit led to quote from anandtech..."

And then he quotes anandtech for most of the page.

And also fails to explain how an HDMI cord could possibly plug into the 360. Doesn't even bring up the possibility of a video adaptor, and thus fails to mention that while it might be possibly to use HDMI cables with the 360 (emphasis on 'possibly' since i haven't seen any official details from Microsoft on the matter), it still won't be HDMI 1.3

[The Real Deal]

MS didn't make that game. It might be ok for kids...but definately not my cup of tea. Every console gotta have a stinker. I mean, Dayum...just about every launch game for the ps3 is a stinker. lol...lol....lol

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Resistance is a stinker huh?

[The Real Deal]

This don't look like a stinker to you? And please don't show the same played screen shots with no hud or weapon in hand. We all know those aren't real screen shots dude. Get over it. Show real screen shots with HUD and Weapon. Resistance looks like a bad Half Life rip off to me. Honestly.

http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...

the textures on the alien is sooooo "FLAT" sooooo "UGLY"....the detail on the walls and floor or so...."UGLY"...Thank s....but no thanks. I'll pass.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

are once again, biased realdeal. Get real.
the gameshout link you gave us, is "Microsoft Forecasts 15M Xbox 360 Sales". So please, Get Real.
Also, about the HDMI for the 360, what...you gonna watch your DVD movies using the HDMI cable, is that what your so happy for??

Lets, see, now you will buy a 200 HD-DVD add-on, thats 600, now you will buy the adapter, thats 700, now you will buy the cable, thats 800.
GET REAL, REALDEAL.

[original seed]

Ih my god that Sh!t looks aweful. It reminds me of alot of PS3 launch games.

[original seed]

I see no difference. You can always use a component cable

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

for the premium PS3??

[The Real Deal]

Stop it Jin boy. lol....Stop with the same ole lies. The price of the hd dvd isn't released so stop doing math that is non existant. You and your bogus claims and lies with no links. Sorry you don't like my links. But they are from Nuetral sources. Not PS3Land like you provide. lol....And MS has already said that the premium 360 with the hd dvd add on will be less than the low end ps3. So if that means there will be a price drop...."who knows" . But we do know that it will be 499 or less. And yes the hdmi cable will allow us to watch 1080p movies for less than ps3 fans who want to watch 1080p movies. And yes, even if we get the hdmi cable without the movies. The image will be a tad sharper. Thats the benefits of hdmi over componant. Its not major but there is a difference in a cleaner sharper signal. I Want one. I have a 1080p TV and my 360 when play my 1080i games, actually display at 1080p. Thanks Microsoft. You did it again.

[The Real Deal]

1 - Buy an adapter?
JIN KAZAMA 187 - 0 Minutes ago
for the premium PS3??

Yes Sir. lol...lol....lol

[DJ]

RealDeal doesn't want people to see them:

http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...

Note that the pictures of Resistance that he posts are from E3 2006, 3 and a half months ago. He doesn't want to admit how much the title has improved. =]

[The Real Deal]

The others screen shots weren't ingame so I didn't show them. No hud...No gun....

[ACE]

ur screen shots , u now the updated ones lol look worse then what real deal posted lol :) .

i see u r still posting crap comments dj?.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Microsoft for this game

http://www.gamespot.com/xbo...
Thats a review of Bomberman. Enough said. No game on a next Gen system should get a 2.9/10, but "Thanks Microsoft" You did it.

Bomberman: Act Zero - 2.9
"a new game for the Xbox 360, called Bomberman: Act Zero, has been released, and it somehow makes all of the mediocre Bomberman games of the past 10 years seem fantastic by comparison. In fact, the only purpose Bomberman: Act Zero serves, and the only distinction it achieves, is to take the series to absolute rock bottom so there's nowhere left to go but up from here. "

[The Real Deal]

But its still better than every ps3 launch game. Thanks Microsoft. And boy am I glad MS didn't make that crappy game. lol...lol...lol

[The Real Deal]

What do you expect. lol...lol...lol

[The Real Deal]

I had a long week. I beat Saints row and Dead Rising and halfway through my season in Madden. I'm about to start Enchanted Arms as well. Good night.

[original seed]

Confirmed: PS3 shipping without HDMI cable
by Zhao Jingyu

Sony has been touting the benefits of HDMI ever since the announcement of the PlayStation 3 at last year's E3, and the inclusion of an HDMI cable with every unit has been something which fans of both the console and HDMI have been hoping for. Fans often claimed that the inclusion of an HDMI cable would further acceptance of the standard while critics argued that it would be too expensive and would be better as an option.

Now, it has been revealed via the PlayStation 3's official site that the console will not be shipping with an HDMI cable. “HDMI cable not included”, reads the site when answering the What is HDMI question.

However, the site is only the official site for the American region and the cables included in other regions may differ. At the moment, it is still unclear what cable the console will be shipping with, although the component cable seems like a likely choice.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

like your brain.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

It doesnt matter what pics he puts up for Resistance, we have ALL seen the gameplay footage, with SO MANY aliens and people on the screen, its amazing. He's just a brainwashed liar.
Gears Of War has like 3 people on the screen, LOL. I saw gameplay footage of it, its it was good, but not great.

[The Real Deal]

Overall

Bomberman Act: Zero is a budget title, and looking at the game from that perspective, you are certainly getting enough for the price. The lack of stage types and offline multiplayer hinder the game's longevity a bit, but overall, Act: Zero plays well, the new FPB mode is fun, and the Standard mode still offers classic Bomberman fun.

Import Friendly?

Yes; the game will play completely in English on a Japanese or Asian Xbox 360; even the achievements will be listed in English.

Pros
Contains both a slightly new take on Bomberman, plus classic-style game play.
Online play!
Budget Release!

http://www.gamerankings.com...

[HyperBear]

Werent you supposed to go to bed already. Mommy told you to go to bed or else you'll get a spankin infront of all the kids at school. Go to bed already, and quit putting down PS3. Ill bet you dont even have a 360, seeing is how your always on here ranting on how great the 360 is, although its not that great, cause mine broke a week ago, but im ok now. But at least im not a fanboy like yourself. Just go to bed already. There will be plenty of good ps3 news to put down by the time you get home from school. kk

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

He claims the Premium PS3 will require an HDMI Adapter to buy seperately. Wow, youare such a brainwashed liar.

PlayStation 3 Premium Pack includes 60GB hard drive
HDMI output
MemoryStick/SD/Compact Flash slots
802.11 B/G wireless

[J Allard 360]

The HDMI cable isn`t gonna be included in the premium ps3`s box!! You will have to pay an extra $100 bucks which will bring your ps3 premium to $700 to have 1080p capabilities!

[The Real Deal]

Sorry. Yes hdmi output capable. But no hdmi cord. lol...lol...lol....Thats an extra 100 dollars buddy. Just save up and stop crying about it. lol...lol

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Also, about the HDMI for the 360, what...you gonna watch your DVD movies using the HDMI cable, is that what your so happy for??

Lets, see, now you will buy a 200 HD-DVD add-on, thats 600, now you will buy the adapter, thats 700, now you will buy the cable, thats 800.
GET REAL, REALDEAL.

PS3 premium doesnt need an HDMI adapter, like you said it does, it needs an HDMI cable, the 360 needs the ADAPTER AND the CABLE.

You just GOT OWNED ONCE AGAIN.

[original seed]

ull article form PS3land. coulnt get it linked
original seed - 9 Minutes ago
Confirmed: PS3 shipping without HDMI cable
by Zhao Jingyu

Sony has been touting the benefits of HDMI ever since the announcement of the PlayStation 3 at last year's E3, and the inclusion of an HDMI cable with every unit has been something which fans of both the console and HDMI have been hoping for. Fans often claimed that the inclusion of an HDMI cable would further acceptance of the standard while critics argued that it would be too expensive and would be better as an option.

Now, it has been revealed via the PlayStation 3's official site that the console will not be shipping with an HDMI cable. “HDMI cable not included”, reads the site when answering the What is HDMI question.

However, the site is only the official site for the American region and the cables included in other regions may differ. At the moment, it is still unclear what cable the console will be shipping with, although the component cable seems like a likely choice.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Thats the HDMI CABLE, not the ADAPTER.

HAHA, 360 fans are just DUMB!

[DJ]

Hey Jin, you saw the teaser site for DMC4 right? It's counting down till an announcement on friday apparently.

[The Real Deal]

http://computerandvideogame...

[original seed]

Confirmed: PS3 shipping without HDMI cable
by Zhao Jingyu

Sony has been touting the benefits of HDMI ever since the announcement of the PlayStation 3 at last year's E3, and the inclusion of an HDMI cable with every unit has been something which fans of both the console and HDMI have been hoping for. Fans often claimed that the inclusion of an HDMI cable would further acceptance of the standard while critics argued that it would be too expensive and would be better as an option.

Now, it has been revealed via the PlayStation 3's official site that the console will not be shipping with an HDMI cable. “HDMI cable not included”, reads the site when answering the What is HDMI question.

"However, the site is only the official site for the American region and the cables included in other regions may differ. At the moment, it is still unclear what cable the console will be shipping with, although the component cable seems like a likely choice."

[The Real Deal]

I had a long week. I beat Saints row and Dead Rising and halfway through my season in Madden. I'm about to start Enchanted Arms as well. Good night.

[original seed]

keep your head up JIN

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Just must love getting owned.
Its the lack of HDMI cable, not the Adapter, the Premuim has a built in output of HDMI. HAHAH.

Anyways, who the hell was expecting them to ship a HDMI cable along with the PS3, are poeple that dumb, ofcourse they arent going to include that in there. Its expected for people to buy the HDMI, we didnt expect it to be included. Did SONY EVER say they will include the CABLE???
Show me a link where they said they will INCLUDE the cable??

[J Allard 360]

You`re the dumbest @ss I`ve ever seen! How can a company that`s talking sooooo much sh1t about 1080p and HDMI ports on their console, not include it in the premium box for all of that cash that they are asking for $600?????? That would be like M$ only giving us AV cables in the premium 360 box NOT!! So jin kazama STFU!

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

we all know you're the realDeal

[original seed]

You'll have to pay EXTRA for the HDMI cord. By adapter i ment hdmi cord that you conect your PS3 to your tv so You can get what was promised to you.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Hey, idiot, the adapter is not a cable.
You see, for the 360 premium, you have to BUY AN ADAPTER, Not for the PS3 fool.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

I saw that trailer, that game is going to be simply amazing. I cant wait for the Next-Gen to get here on the 17th of november. The Wii is more next-gen than the 360.

[original seed]

How else would you enjoy 1080i? How else would you enjou blu rays full potential. Its like selling a car without keys. Ypu can still enjoy it but for more money you can actually drive it. come on now! MS gave us two adapters (componenet cords)

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Who the hell said that they would ship an HDMI cable with the PS3, no one said it, and NO ONE EXPECTED IT.
When you BUY AN HDTV that has an INPUT slot of HDMI, DO YOU GET A FREE HDMI CABLE ALONG WITH THAT TV????
NO YOU DONT. What the hell is wrong with you??

[original seed]

for your sake i'll say cables. I'll use the word adapter for the 360.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Ok, you go to BestBuy, and tell them, you want an HDMI Adapter, and I am sure they will bring you back an HDMI cable,.....right.

And I like how you edited your comment up top about saying that the PS3 needs an adapter also. You changed your words on it. LOL

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

61 - Where you been? Under a rock? lol....YES FOR THE PREMIUM...
The Real Deal - 32 Minutes ago
1 - Buy an adapter?
JIN KAZAMA 187 - 0 Minutes ago
for the premium PS3??

Yes Sir. lol...lol....lol

[HyperBear]

I maybe wrong here, but what if people (about oh say 80-85% in the world) who dont have a HDTV and dont have HDMI input, and they want to get a PS3, whats the point of including a HDMI cable if it is useless. Like, i think it is a good decision for Sony to just include the standard AV cable so that anyone with HDTV or Standard tv can use it, until they get HDTV or get an HDMI cable and etc. but im sorry Original seed/RealDeal, you dont know wtf you are talking about. Now go to bed.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

HyperBear, I think they are smokin crack together.

[HyperBear]

I work for Best Buy, and so far ive had no one come up to me and ask for an HDMI adapter. Plus if someone where to ask me for an HDMI adapter, Id give them a HDMI cable, cause a. there is no need for more than 1 or 2 HDMI inputs on a tv, and b. the adapter is already in the machine you bought (PS3 - HDMI adapter is in the machine, HD DVD and Blu-Ray Players - HDMI adapter is already in the machine. WTF are you talking about realdeal. YOU KNOW SH!T

[General]

TGS! They are going to blow everyone away. By showing all of the games with Improved graphics, All of the games are going to look alot better since E3.

[HyperBear]

Or I hope they do something at TGS, if not, they are really screwed.

[The Real Deal]

I said that the ps3 doesn't come with the HDMI cable. Who cares if its hdmi ready. thats nothing to brag about. The 360 is hdmi ready. Both need the cable and both cables are in excess of 99 dollars. So what is your point.

Everything that sony fans have bragged about over the last few months has disipated.

HD movies...360 check

hdmi........360 check

1080p.......360 check

Assasins Creed...360 check

Fastest selling console in history....360 check

Most games sold per console.....360 check

Most accessories sold per console....360 check

Dominated E3 2006......360 check

Dominated the German Game Convention.....360 check

Dominate TGS.......360 Sure thing buddy boys

Dominate next gen console sales for 2006....360 check

Dominate this Christmas for game and console sales......360 check...

Thanks Microsoft

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

"The 360 is hdmi ready" which it clearly is not. THere is NO HDMI SLOT on THE 360. You Have to buy an Adapter for it to BECOME HDMI READY.

Once again Realdeal
you have been exposed as a liar.

[HyperBear]

I say realdeal and gametime should just have a private topic. Actually im gonna create one. Everyone who wants to see Gametime vs. RealDeal (Sony ASSKISSER vs. M$ ASSKISSER) and see you can burn the sh!t out of the other, please go to Pending Stories and look for Gametime vs. RealDeal. Get Ready

[The Real Deal]

1080p tv via hdmi. No Sir. You would have to spend in excess of 100 dollars to get that bad boy to work on your 1080p tv via hdmi. That is sadd and pathetic. That was the big selling point of the high end ps3. Why wouldn't they include the calbe? Thats strange. It comes with componant just like the premium 360 for 200 dollars less? lol...lol...lol.... WOW. What a rip off.

[The Real Deal]

I think you are more like Gametime. You, DJ, and Jin boy. Yall are all ignorant fan boys. Sorry you don't like the Truth force fed to you. But I provide links to everything I say. I don't make things up like you, JIn, DJ, and gametime. Sadd people indeed. Get it? Got it? Good. Now get over it. Get your ps3 and be happy. But please stop with the lying. Its not cool.

[HyperBear]

How the fuk am i a fanboy when i have a Xbox 360 and appreciate it more than ull ever do. Ill have you know, I am more of a Xbox fanboy then you are, but i dont hate others creations like PS3 and Wii, you stupid ass homo f@gboy. Why dont u go to ur Xbox and we'll play against each other. Or do u even have a Xbox 360. Prolly not.

[HyperBear]

I dont have a 1080p tv, and u dont either. But my LCD HDTV still has HDMI, and whats the point of having it if ur not going to use it. and plus, it does video and audio, not like the AV plugf that has red, white, and yellow. HDMI is just one cable and one insert, with HD video and audio. Its Sweet

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

HD movies...360 check -- Add-On

hdmi........360 check -- Add-on Adapter

1080p.......360 check -- for games, NO

Assasins Creed...360 check -- everyone knew it

Fastest selling console in history....360 check -- Only console to have a worldwide launch

Most games sold per console.....360 check -- No other new gen console out yet

Most accessories sold per console....360 check
- who cares
Dominated E3 2006......360 check
PS3 hadnt even given out final dev kits then
Dominated the German Game Convention.....360 check
-- That was a POS show. Sony is waiting on TGS
Dominate TGS.......360 Sure thing buddy boys
-- Your oppinion
Dominate next gen console sales for 2006....360 check -- Too much demand for the PS3, shortages, just like 360 had

Dominate this Christmas for game and console sales......360 check...
-- your oppinion

Thanks Microsoft - your momma is Microsoft?

[The Real Deal]

Here you go. Now read and learn. Once again. I'm the Real Deal. I'm the wrong guy to mess with when it comes to Facts. ALl you and DJ do is spread lies. Here is my link. Now go to your corner and pout like the little girly boy you are.

http://www.ebgames.com/prod...

The 360 already has a digital avio output interface built into the 360. The cable plugs right into the 360 av out.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

This fool gives me a link of a Universal HDMI cable. SO WHAT FOOL. It doesnt mean that the 360 is HDMI READY!!!!
You still HAVE TO BUY AN ADAPTER ALONG WITH THIS CABLE FOOL.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAAHA

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

If you are so upset that the PS3 doesnt ship with the HDMI cable, then why arent you upset that if you buy an HDTV with the HDMI slot doesnt come with a FREE HDMI cable.
You make no sense. They dont include that when you buy an HDTV.
HHAHAA, your arguments are like a little 9 year old.

[The Real Deal]

lol....I heard a lot of excuses in your checks...lol....Take it like a man....

Premium 360 with hdmi with hd dvd will cost less than premium ps3. And the 360 can output 1080p for games. But that isn't optimal for either system. The sweet spot is 720p and 1080i...which obviously sony devs agree with. Get some knowlege boy.

[The Real Deal]

You are a Joke. you must be getting sleepy. An HD tv shipping with a hdmi cable? Let me give you a better example jinny boy. When you buy a blu ray player does it have the hdmi cable or do you have to buy it seperate? lol....It comes with it silly boy. So should the ps3. But once people realize they are buying a system even more like the 360 for 200 dollars more and 300 dollars more if they want hdmi.....lol.....Well, you'll see the results. Thanks Microsoft

[HyperBear]

Not only do you know nothing of gamers, esp. me thinking im one of them, but you know sh!t about products. I fricken work at Best Buy and we have the Blu-Ray and HD DVD players up for showing and for sale and when someone buys one, they do not get a HDMI cable. You are so retarded its not even funny, but sad. They do not include a HDMI set, cause some HDTV dont have HDMI, and some people who have HDTVS, may not want to spend 100 bucks on a HDMI cable, and neither will the manufactureers waste money on cables that people may not use. HDMI is there for ppl who want to enter the HD movie/gaming world. No werent you supposed to go to bed. Off with ya.

[The Real Deal]

Nope....the cable has the adapter on it. Its the way the 360s av port is built. It will plug into the 360 then into your TV via hdmi. You really are clueless huh? I thought you was acting stupid. You really are huh? lol....lol....lol

[FeralPhoenix]

Jin, I have to agree with you that Bomberman sucks, of course I haven't played it, but judging by what I see and several of the reviews Im sure its garbage. TheRealDeal is just flaming when he says it will be better than all the PS3 launch games, just laugh but don't let him get you so excited. Now if you think that the PS3 over its life cycle won't have some really bad games then you clearly don't know the history of videogames. (look at PS2's library...lot of good lot of bad) In fact, the more successful a console gets the more bad titles you often see, because every developer and their brother wants a piece of the action so they "throw together" a low budget game/lack of talent, because a large fanbase means they still have the opportunity to sell maybe a few 100,000 copies which for a console with a 50 mil or 100 mil+ fanbase its possible for even a bad game, therefore its still a good profit margin. BTW, I just saw some new pics of Genji 2, not saying its a bad game but so far it doesn't look on par with other PS3 launch titles. BTW, Bomberman is developed by Hudson Soft, not M$, any guess who is developing Genji 2? Now at any rate, on the topic....I dont think the slower load time is significant enough to take away from the game experience so its a non-issue as long as it is in fact only a "little slower" than 360. Damm, I guess fanboys will never stop the "mine is better than yours debate", which might be understandable if they were talking about games and NOT HARDWARE!....because thats all that really matters is what games you like....luckily I get both. HA, HA FANBOYS!...my bad that was so childish.

[The Real Deal]

see, but i never said mine is better than yours. I never said the ps3 will suck or does suck. I'm buying a ps3. SOny fans assume because I'm not raving about bullsh1t screen shots that I must not want a ps3. I do. I'm just not excited yet about anything they have announced or shown. Its been all bad news and all CGI. I want gameplay. I want some good news. I wanted so bad for assins creed to be exclusive so I could have a legit reason to buy a ps3. But nooooooo. I'm still getting one...but i will not buy blu ray movies. They are inferior to hd dvd movies head to head. And I have no clue what game I'm going to buy. And I think it sucks I have to pay another 100 plus dollars for a hdmi cable. Thats bait and switch to me. Its a rip off. People would be in an uprage if they bought a blu ray player and it didn't come with hdmi. BUT becuase I'm not pleased with sony, that makes me bashing sony. NOOOOO...I don't bash sony. I'm dissappointed in sony. Is that ok. Or do I have to worship sony and turn a blind shoulder to all of their flaws to be "ok" with sony fanny boys? lol...lol

[The Real Deal]

My hd dvd player came with the hdmi cable. Now go to sleep you complete and total LIAR. I'm the Real Deal buddy boy. Not some little kid you can tell little lies too and think you get some cool points.

[HyperBear]

im pretty sure i can kick the sh!t out of your ass anyday of the week, pansy. Your all talk, no action. just to prove to you that im not a little kid, why dont you come to my house, and ill open the door, and punch you so hard, that youll need mommy to give you some stitches. B!TCH

[original seed]

Someone had a redbull

[HyperBear]

i dont drink that sh!t. Its only beer for me. Coors, Kokanee, Molson, Labatts, and i may throw in a smirinoff or however its spelt, on occassions. Like when PS3 launches, im throwin a party. so c'mon down, and we can play PS3 all night long and drink beer all night long

[HyperBear]

You think your so tough and think you know it all. Man you are either a fat, lazy, no-life dumbass or you are about 13 and totally clueless about anything. But when i sell HD DVD players, its says HDMI Cable not included. The Blu-Ray comes with one, but HD DVD doesnt. But then who knows, im in the gaming dept. at the store and dont really care about HD DVD or Blu-Ray. I could care less, right now it doesnt have anything to do with gaming and should never have anything to do with gaming. Im all about games, HD DVD and Blu-Ray can go screw itself for now.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

"Nope....the cable has the adapter on it."

Give me a link that shows it has an adapter on it!!

You are such a blantant liar man. You just get OWNED so much. Arent you sick of it?

[The Real Deal]

You can't own me with the lame lies you throw about. You show a link or you show something saying that the 360 will need a seperate adapter. When you buy a cord to plug your 360 into a computer monitor all you need is the vga cord made for the system and it has the adapter built into it. We could safely assume the hmdi or dvi will be exactly the same. We have no reason to think otherwise. So you show proof Jin Boy. Yall scrubs tell lies with no links then claim to own someone. I'm the Real Deal. You can't tell lies with no support and then think your smart. You are "Dumb" in every sense of the word. And I come to that conclusion from the things you type that are lies or just an gleeming example of your ignorance on this topic. Get it? Got it? Good.

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

Is such a contradiction to himself.
He rags on the PS3, but then turns around and says, i am buying one. What a fool.

[badkolo]

Both systems are good, if one loads fatser or not is not an issue unless its really slow.

Also stop bashing the 360, if you dont like it dont buy it or sell it if you have it.

Its funny how any of you can bash the 360, its out and you can buy one now, you can play next gen games now, the camera is coming, the wireless headset is coming, the whell for racing is coming, and the 360 has a fully working live service to play online and download demos, it all works and works well.

The PS3 will be a nice system as well but after the launch you wont be able to get one for months after all the early adopters buy them up, sony is not a magician and there will be shortages since they will do a world wide release, there will be a few games at launch that are exclusive and thats about it, the rest of the games will be on both systems and this time the playing field is equal, dont expect hundreds of games for the ps3 in the first year, we all know the first year will have a few games just like the 360 did. Dont expect all ps3 games to blow your mind graphically either, your fooling yourself if you think otherwise. from december to about may you wont see many ps3 available to buy and thats a fact, shortages are innevatable, and i would be surprised if there are more premium ps3 sitting around and none of the cheaper ones since they are cheaper then 600 bucks.

[FeralPhoenix]

Hey its OK if you guys want to trade jabs but at least offer something to the debate besides flamming. RealDeal I see your point and I often point out Sony fanboy BS, but you don't help your case when you make obvious provoking comments like "Bomberman will be better than all of PS3 launch games", lol its funny but you know its not true, but hey jokes are jokes. HyperBear, hey bro I know your name speaks for itself, but you don't have to get so hyped-up and start making threats-its the internet remember? Jin, I think the reason RealDeal fustrates you so much is because you can't accept the fact that the PS3 isn't the superior console Sony made it out to be, its a good console man, and if you prefer what it has to offer, thats great but you have to accept that every console has flaws, Sony set themselves up for all the negative PR with all of the "Big Promises"....now you have to admit they seem to be backpedaling the closer we get to launch, do I have to make a list of what they claimed and what we actually are getting so far? BTW, when you say the "other guy" isn't true HD and you emphasize your 1080p capability out of the box, everyone expects that...this will be exactly what you will deliver whether gamers have a HDTV setup or not, not to mention most games are not using 1080p resolution....hey Sony made those claims so why not stick to it?....and you know what? despite their flaws PS3 will still be a great console, you just have to accept that 360 is just as good!

[HyperBear]

and yea ur right, its just realdeal frustrated me by first calling me a sony fanboy, when ive owned my XBox 360 since day 1, plus im more interested in Xbox 360 than PS3 24/7. Then he says im a liar and he doesnt believe that i work at Best Buy and ive worked there for 1year this october. He just thinks the world of himself and thinks he knows it all. Man y cant ppl be like us and a few other of my friends and just like games for what they are GAMES, and all ppl should like them all. But thats a dream world.

[FeralPhoenix]

for the sake of argument when I say 1080p capable out of the box...I mean ready to play....which it is.....after you buy the cable.

[badkolo]

only on the 600 buck ps3 though, no hdmi on the cheapo ps3.

[original seed]

why is that that everybody is a "gangsta" on the internet hyperbear? this is nothing to get upset about. No need for threats. Both systems wont come with an hdmi CORD. Youll have to pay extra. But its funny that if i asked for an HDMI adapter you would know what im talking about. "if someone where to ask me for an HDMI adapter, Id give them a HDMI cable". We can all agree that so far PS3 news has been awful and the 360 is looking good as of right now. TGS is truly PS3 last chance to impress before its launch and lets hope for Jins sake it gets better.

[HyperBear]

its the beer. I neevr meant to make those threats personally, and never wanted to be a mean asshole, so I hereby am never gonna post comments on here again, unless you guys want me to keep posting them, then i will, but just so i dont get into any more trouble, i think its best if i left. but ill still watch you guys complain and talk about useless crap. So for now CYA.
Respond if you want me to stay here.

[original seed]

i dont drink much so i wouldn't know. However, I'll be spending New Years in Vegas with my wife and a couple friends. We are going to get wasted. Its all clean fun. Keep posting

[original seed]

this is what the argument is about. There will NOT be an HDMI cable on either the 500 sku or the 600 sku. You'll have to pay extra for it. It will not matter if you dont have an HDTV but if you do then it sucks. Sony keeps pushing Hi Def but wont inlcude an HDMI cable. Thats it.

[FeralPhoenix]

Hey, I don't think anybody wants you to quit posting, I was just trying to tell you not to let anyone, especially on the internet get under your skin...I'm always interested to hear what other games are thinking, so I hope you will keep posting....either way its just games, no big deal....besides I like to have a few every now and then....its all good.

[THE TRUTH]

P209
Superior Member of another forum had made a good post just recently that I couldn't have said better myself!!

Embracing Mediocrity - 9 Hours Ago

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Embracing Mediocrity

Through out the generations of video gaming fans have expected the next generation systems to progress in technology and offer more than their predecessors.
Not one console in video game history has kept the exact same media format for two generations in a row until Microsoft’s xbox 360.

Fans and media outlets seem to embrace this decision defending MS saying their current format has more than enough space and with the compression methods of the 360, DVD9 has the ability to last through another generation.

I am in no position to disagree I’ve stated over and over again no developer will develop a game they will not be able to ship on a DVD9. However, along with keeping the same media format Microsoft also decided that a 4year lifecycle for the xbox was long enough and dropped all support for the original xbox.

Microsoft has added features to the 360s LIVE online service now allowing game demo downloads and movie trailers in their market place. They also offer a media extender that allows music, video streaming and pictures onto the 360 from a media center PC. These things cater to those with media center PCs and broadband connections close to their consoles or entertaining area. Those without will not be able to experience all 360 has to offer.

Microsoft has taken the next step into HD gaming but stopped short of adding HD movie playback. MS has aggressively pursued developers adding some impressive gaming titles will this alone be able to make up for premature launch of 360?

The way I see it the improvements LIVE and the addition of the media extender are huge pluses. However, they do very little for the pure offline gamer. That along with keeping the same media medium of DVD9 limits the consumer overall experience and growth. The real sad fact is backwards compatibility is non existent for those stuck offline or those consumers that bought a core 360.

While fans rave about how pretty 360 looks and defend DVD9 they mock and scorn Sony for Blu-ray and the price tag attached to it. Sony has kept with the tradition of improving next generation media formats for the advancing technology and offering more than the generation before.

While Sony has stepped into the on-line gaming community platform with both feet this generation they kept in mind the offline gamer while catering to the online gamer as well. They stuck with their goal of full backwards compatibility and a next generation format that will allow developers to deliver a true HD experience along with BR movie playback.

Some people don’t like Sony’s ambition and think that adding blu-ray, web browser; 20-60GB hard drives, wifi, and HDMI are unneeded others look at it as the logical next step from PS2 to PS3. Sony does offer to SKU’s one for the average Joe type of gamer 20GB model which is best compared to the premium 360 or the 60GB model for the tech savvy multimedia buff fans.

I see no need to embrace a half assed effort by MS when they could of made a true next generation console but decided to sell me half now and half later so that they would have the market lead. However, to take full advantage you’re also going to need a Windows PC also.

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http://ps3forums.com/showth...

This is the way I feel about this M$ and Sony's directions into this Next-Gen

[DJ]

It's good to see someone putting everything into perspective.

The 'Core PS3' has all the features of the Premium 360, including some nice bonuses like Blu-ray movie playback and 1080p. Plus there's FULL backwards compatibility instead of the half-compatibility that MS put in.

[J Allard 360]

Yet another lame @ss comment from a bias sony site!!! STFU!!! Have fun waiting to load all of your games for 60 seconds!!!

[timmyp53]

[timmyp53]

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[timmyp53]

or will you have to buy an adapt. also

[FeralPhoenix]

correct me if I'm wrong but I think cartridge based media for game consoles prior to the "NES" and also after it used the same basic format until enventually consoles started using CD's....which I believe was about 3 or 4 generations (NES, SuperNES, and N64 were at least 3 gen's) CD's were a new format but cartridges were more than adequate for awhile.

[FeralPhoenix]

also CD's eventually became the logical successor format for many reasons, especially since there was no "format war" it was a natural transition because basicly it wasn't competing with another format.

[ChickeyCantor]

that the amount of data on the disk is much more then on any other system..........
so thats why it could take longer.....

FACK BRAY
cartridge rulezzz:P

[The Real Deal]

lol...lol....lol

You are a computer geek who claims to work at best buy. An official Geek squad member. Boy, you don't know me and you definately can't see me. Brooklyn "WUT". You are a scrub in the fullest sense of the word. Talking about fighting me on the internet because I proved you to be a complete Liar. Meeting me in person would be a bad day for you in your miserable life. You think you "hard huh"....lol.... Boy you better ask somebody bout me. Talking about I'm some fat guy....Lol...You the one blaming your ignorance and bashing of me personally on beer. You don't want it with me. Thats Real.

http://www.myspace.com/jlon...

[AuburnTiger]

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[shoota33]

LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL.. LOL..LOL You have the nerve to call someone a computer geek LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL!!!!!!!

[shoota33]

LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL.. LOL..LOL You have the nerve to call someone a computer geek LOL..LOL..LOL..LOL!!!!!!!

[HyperBear]

just goes to show how stupid you really are. I said I work at Best Buy at the games dept. Didnt say anything about working in the Geek Squad. And judging by ur myspace, your a no-life rapper who spends more than enough time bashing ppl on the internet when you could be doing saints row on somebody's ass in the hood. You think your a gangsta, well i dont know too many gangstas that just sit in their living rooms and bashing people on the internet over video games. Thats pretty hillarious.

[HyperBear]

I dont know too many gangsta's who know everything there is to no about video games. gangsta - all they care about is popping a cap in someones ass, not b!tching like little girls over video games. BTW, wats ur gamertag, or do you even have a 360. Thats what i thought. All talk, No action. Go smoke weed elsewhere, get off here.

[djbassay2k5]

Prospero666, think about it. its the tha same about of space, huge difference in data density.

and for ppl complaining about not have a HDMI cable... the PS brand has never shipped with anything other than a AV cable and all other output cable were considered as accessories. i dont see why the would change that sense because not many ppl have a HDMI input HD TV and arent going to just go buy one just becuase the PS3 gave them a free HDMI cable.

(Sony doesnt make 100% of the consoles it sales. nearly 60% of all sony consoles (PS1 and 2) were subcontracted to tainwiese companies...) so if your box says made in taiwan. i suggest you either not buy it or get a very good warranty

[The Real Deal]

This range of display engines will allow ATI to support a greater range of connectivity than the traditional analogue VGA and DVI outputs, to more consumer electronics friendly outputs including Euro-SCART and HDMI outputs. To go along with the HDMI outputs Avivo features HDCP capabilities so high definition movie content can be displayed on high definition displays. Consumer electronics displays have a different range of timing modes to PC displays and previous ATI hardware has used software routines to match the timing modes when these displays are being connected to, however Avivo now features a complete set of timings for both PC and consumer electronics standards which should reduce issues such as over scan on TV Outputs.

[djbassay2k5]

you still need an analog to digital conversion somewhere................. AV out is an digital(internally to analog. so either that needs to be bypassed or re converted