Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD model sells 90,000 over weekend

The HD DVD format significantly pumped its installed base over the weekend, as dueling store clearances sold an estimated 90,000 Toshiba players, according to sources close to retailers.


Apparently this doesn't include online retailers who also participated in the price drop, such as

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Danja4051d ago

hmm MEH...Blu-Ray FTW....

so since NA alone can save a much did it sell in EU..Japan..and others..over the weekend..??

ruibing4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

They sold them for $100-200, and say they were able to produce at $300 (it was $500 when it was introduced a year ago and manufacturing improvements cannot have improved by more than 40%, it just never happens). They just lost at least $9,000,000 without counting advertisement and other financial overheads.

Edit: Forgot to carry an zero over.

sonarus4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

$900,000 is not dat bad a loss however they are loosing a lot more than that. at least 200 on each player so its more like 1.8mill. I expected the sales to be a lot better though. approx 5million ps3 owners plus another 100,000 stand alone owners. at least if 30% that knw ps3 has blu ray continue buying their blu rays hd-dvd still beat 2-1. With the 400 dollar ps3 and more than likely price drop of stand alone players expect this number to increase.

shmee4051d ago

over 100 000 ps3s were sold last week and all ps3 owners purchase BD movies.

over 50 000 standalone BD players might have been sold across Japan, EU and NA whereas HD DVD is existent only in NA

IntelligentAj4051d ago

What math are you guys doing? If they sold them $99 and made them for $200 then they $9 million not $900,000. If they made them for $300 then they would have lost $18 million. Get your math straight. Also I think they would take that hit to get the players into people's homes though.

cuco334051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

A given format can hold it's own per region. If US is the only place that were to adopt HD DVD it can do so by itself, likewise if Japan and EU were the only regions, separately, can be on it's own in that given region.
There isn't a "blu must win ALL regions to be successful" but most feel the need for it to be that way. For the record, the NA market is the most important one.

I'm assuming you grabbed those 'figures' from the recent article that compared the over designed and over priced A1 to the cheaper A2. Think cost cutting. The A1 has a Pentium 2.+ ghz cpu whereas the A2 has a Celeron 900mhz cpu, that's just the processor! The A3 I can only assume is cost cut even more.
EVEN if they did lose 900k based on your wrong assumptions, do you know how much Toshiba made off of DVD licensing fees? Think BILLIONS. Likewise the same would happen if HD DVD took off as the successor, if there even will be one, of HDM.

As for the comments below about 1080p I ask you this... If someone were to own a 720p/1080i HDTV (and there is 70% of homes with these TVs), why spend more for 1080p? BESIDES, if you guys knew anything... you'ld know that a good 1080p HDTV can deinterlace a 1080i signal and output a 1080p picture without any losses. ;)

90k units is impressive! I thought there would only be 1/2 that. I'ld like to see the Neilson numbers these next few weeks and see what impact the clearance sale has made.

Be a movie fanboy, not a format fanboy

Baron794051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

Speak for yourself dude. I own a PS3 and don't own a single Bluray movie. I have 24 HD-DVD's though. I hate Sony for doing this to the PS3, a powerfull GAME machine is now thought of as a movie player. Sad.
Anyway 90,000 more HD-DVD players out there meens 90,000 more people will be buying HD-DVD's. Oh and 50,000 stand alone blueray players sold? That's Lifetime , Right?

ruibing4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

My bad about the math, I just had to pull an all nighter.

I was just being conservative with my estimates since no one has access to their managerial accounting information. We assume the selling price is $200 (since $100 is a weekend sales kind of thing) and then an aggressive improvement in direct material, labor, and overhead for manufacturing to make it cost $300 total per unit, so it would be at least $9,000,000. Obviously it is much more, but I didn't wanted to back up my claims conservatively so I wouldn't be called spreading FUD or limited conclusions around.

lawman11084051d ago

Like this huge PILE of PS3's NOBODY is buying? This is a Circuit City in New Jersey. I counted around 70 just sitting there, the girl at the store said they should give them away because NOBODY is buying them! Ohhhh and selling as many HD players in ONE weekend as stand alone BR players is called a KNOCK OUT you F.AG!!!!

godofthunder104050d ago

all the sony fanboys need to stop and listen to what they are saying,they said that they are just trying to sell the dvd players cheap because they can't sell them and they are looseing $200 on every sale,well that's true then sony is just trying to sell the ps3 at a lost because they can't sell them because sony is loosing more then $200 on every ps3 they sell and that's a fact.the sony fanboys can't have it both ways,when the ps3 do something then they are doing good but when a company that they don't like do the same thing then they are loosing and just trying to sell the units.

Pain4050d ago

Why? i just cant figure it, did they kick yur Dog?
U all just seem to hate Blu-ray, is it just so much beter that u have to hate it?
Is is not Made in the US that gets u all?
Not M$ supported?

Having a Clear out sale to Boolster it Userbase to claim more Instal base to get more comapnys is not the way to win, since they more or less cleared out the lesser not so good players at sale prices, u and the rest get inferior players compaered to the newer ones not so cool if u ask me.

Get Blu-ray get free

Rooftrellen4050d ago

"Is is not Made in the US that gets u all?"

Which format is made in the US?

All I know of is bluray and HD DVD...and Sony and Toshiba are both Japanese companies.

Please, enlighten me on the format of which you speak, Pain.

Pain4049d ago

exactly what it means.

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unrealchris4051d ago

so yeah how about those 5.4 million ps3 sold

sabbath4204051d ago

where are those ps3's? You will loose ps3 fans you will loose.

beoulve4051d ago

nice number, although PS3 can only sold 50k in NA per week, but PS3 has more constant rate. It will be nice if HD-DVD can keep that rate which is unlikely but still possible.

ktchong4051d ago

and PS3 doesn't usually sold more than 30k units in a week in North America.

shmee4051d ago

with the advent of the 40gig and XMAS season expect ps3 to sell over 100k in the upcoming weeks

However x360 sells like 19k per week in EU and just 2/3k in JAPAN compared to 80k ps3 in EU and 22/25k in JAPAN

EU ps3 owners are heavy purchasers of BD movies

BD camp sells around 20 000 standalone players in NA per week and 30k per week in JAPAN and EU combined.

HD DVD is non existent in Japan and EU

lawman11084051d ago

It will MURDER the BR player

Rooftrellen4051d ago

"However x360 sells like 19k per week in EU and just 2/3k in JAPAN compared to 80k ps3 in EU and 22/25k in JAPAN"

Considering the 360 doesn't come with any HD player built in, could you please explain how the low 360 numbers mean anything at all to this conversation?

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wil4hire4051d ago


wonder how many HD-DVD's they will buy.

ktchong4051d ago

The main point here is: the player now opens the door for them to buy HD DVDs in the future.

mboojigga4051d ago

You do realize how uneducated you sound making these comments. When you grow up get a chance to actually go to a store take 2 of the same displays run the A2, no scratch the run the A3 which also outputs 1080I(Keep up now cause you do know the movies are encoded 1080P) Take the A30(1080P output)to the same 2 displays and tell me how much of a difference you can actually see. You can even do this test with a PS3 and the A2 or A3 and still tell me what the difference is from the same movie(here is a hint.......not much if any) I will let you educate yourself rather than arguing with you about this. But I responded because of the igorant comment.

Evil0Angel4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

both of them display 2M pixle BUT 1080p will deliver it @ 60fps while 1080i will deliver it 30fps((((techniqly)))) ....BUT...BUT...BUT keep in mind all BR/HD-DVD movies recorded @24fps(if you have any HD-DVD/BR disc you will see this in the back of the box=i have both) so you tellin me you can notice any diffrence ?????? how ???? 30fps is what your eyes can see anything over that you will not notice it unless :
1)u r superman
2)u r super-fanboy

@blow:"..1080i, the former king of the HDTV hill, actually boasts an identical 1,920x1,080 resolution but conveys the images in an interlaced format (the i in 1080i). In a tube-based television, otherwise known as a CRT, 1080i sources get "painted" on the screen sequentially: the odd-numbered lines of resolution appear on your screen first, followed by the even-numbered lines--all within 1/30 of a second. Progressive-scan formats such as 480p, 720p, and 1080p convey all of the lines of resolution sequentially in a single pass.."

*1080p will deliver 2M pixle in 1/60s=60fps
*1080i will deliver the odded 1Mpixle =1/60s
than will deliver the even iMpixle =1/60fps
so it deliver the whole image 2Mpixle=1/30fps
the only dffrence between 1080p/i is fps

here AGAIN AGAIN let me remind you that all BR/HD-DVD movies recorded @[email protected] so P display will not benfit from the extra 30fps it got.end of story

rofldings4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

"..1080i, the former king of the HDTV hill"

No. 1080i is not the "Former King" of HD - 1080p was and is originally 100% pure HD. However, TV stations saw a problem with this due to bandwidth limitations and hence 1080i/720p were made.

"*1080p will deliver 2M pixle in 1/60s=60fps
*1080i will deliver the odded 1Mpixle =1/60s
than will deliver the even iMpixle =1/60fps
so it deliver the whole image 2Mpixle=1/30fps
the only dffrence between 1080p/i is fps"

The resolution of both those are the same, however 1080i will send only half the picture every 1/30th second - while 1080p will send the whole picture every 1/60th second. So while playing games or watching movies that have a lot of movement in them - you'll notice progressive is superior because of less "interlace flickers" - this is why 720p is generally considered superior to 1080i if you don't have 1080p.

drewdrakes4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

rofldings - I can tell you don't know what you're talking about because you've probably never seen anything run at 60fps nor 30fps outside of a game. Movies are 24 fps not 30 nor 60. Also depending on whether you're in an NTSC region or PAL region is 29.97 or 25 fps respectively.

Also, define pure HD, as 1080p is not the pinnacle of high definition.

Also Also, where are your sources for 720p and 1080i being created because 1080p takes up too much bandwidth? I know that 1080p takes up too much, but i don't believe that is the reason for the creation of those two. Nor did i know that the TV stations created these resolutions.

sabbath4204051d ago

In most peoples eyes 1080i and 1080p are not that different. The jump from 480p (dvd) to 1080i is huge for most people. And satisfying enough to warent a $99.00 upgrade in players.

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wangdiddy824051d ago

player if it couldnt push out 1080p??? What a waste of money.. Well to me that is.. Its not really going to look any better than a regular dvd now..

I guess the player is for poor people with crappy tv's..

etownone4051d ago

actually, if you have a good quality 1080p HDTV, then it can run a 1080i interlaced signal into progresive.

so, you buy an stand alone 1080i hddvd player at 99 bucks, you can still watch it at 1080p.

cuco334051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

1. 70% of homes have HDTVs that do 720p/1080i.

2. Most can't even tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p.

3. A good 1080p HDTV will deinterlace a 1080i signal and output it to 1080p without any losses. Just like the above stated

Here's some fact. Ask anyone. I mean ANYONE. wether it be a neutral guy like me, a sony/BD fanboy or an hd dvd fanboy... SD DVDs are NOT comparable to High Def Movies. Not even close. You can not compare an upscaled SD film to a high def one. Both camps will agree to that

HomeTheaterGuy234049d ago

Wow. You need to brush up on your knowledge man. I own a Sharp DT-500 1280x768p HD DLP projector and run it on a 9 foot 2 inch diagonal 16:9 screen and the difference between HD-DVD outputting a 1080i signal vs. DVD is very clear. You just don't know what you're talking about. I won't deny that you think you do, but you are in reality pretty much cluless....sorry to say.

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