Gaming Irresponsibly covers the long rant from David Jaffe regarding battlefield 3
Jaffe is a smart guy. He always keeps himself in the news.
When Jaffe rants, hes a "smart guy"..but when CliffyB rants, hes a douche. Can someone help me understand this vast hypocrisy?
I was just about to post this. Switch out Jaffe's name and Cliff's name and you would have seen the first post say "Just shut up already."
Have to agree, these two are one in the same yet they are held in very different regards.
CliffyB is incredibly intelligent as well. Both of these guys play the gaming media efficiently. Jaffe plays it off as more passive and CliffyB is a bit more agrresive. Two sides of the same coin
Ding Ding Ding for Logic Wins..+ Bubz.. Jaffe definately get's a pass that NO 360 developer or exec would..especially Cliffy B On topic.. King Jaffe is FIRED up and he is definately going to ruffle some feathers going at Battlefield..taboo subject for the masses trying to overhype the game in order to have it defy MW3.. Either way..NO ONE is talking about Twisted Metal..so if King Jaffe returns to the old days prior to his self hibernation..maybe TW can get some well deserved free press.. Evil
In other words Jeffe is a "smart guy" because he works on the PS3. CliffyB is a douche because he works on 360. Does that just about sum it up?
Cliff Blezinski feeds on the tears of Fanboys...Ummm I wonder why people call him a douche????(shrugs) P.S. there's much more where that comes from. Next time you want to comment on hypocrisy of PS3 fans think before you comment, because you're almost always wrong and almost always look like a hypocrite yourself. For instance Xbox fanboys" PS# gamers just love teh graphics"(skip forward to future" Battlefild 3 shows 2 seconds of the game " OHhh my GOd Did you see that" when all we could see was the game's graphics. Also I remember earlier gears fans celebrating aout gears graphics looking superioir to uncharted.
lol... it's called n4g hypocrisy.
I think it b/c the way he talk it come across more genuine but he does speak his mind a lot, http://www.youtube.com/watc...
@LOGICWINS Sure, It has nothing to do with PS3 vs 360. Jaffe doesn't throw competition under the bus. He doesn't make comments about the 360's hardware/peripherals in any disparaging way -- constantly. Jaffe speaks his opinion about gaming, and backs it up. Then clears up the Fanboysite twists. Not just a quick jab at "I like Kinect better than Move." Jaffe doesn't fan the flames of fanboyism by joining their ranks calling PS3 owners "BUTTHURT." it goes on forever. Jaffe doesn't impregnate himself in news by making comments that he knows full well are going to be distorted. Jaffe blogs constantly, and does videos, and is rarely seen on N4G, only when some people want to get hits on n4g. CLiffy however had damn near 3 months where all we had on the site was Cliffy Tweets/News about his opinion on something. Thats why people Go "Christ STFU." because he is under the impression hes a comedian/celebrity? Imo. Professionally speaking, Sony's studios/people have a more respectable approach versus the Turn10's and Epic's of the world. But thats just apples to oranges. Find me Kojima/Kaz/Evan/The little guy from Media Molecule/the Infamous guys, acting any sort of way that could be labeled douchy.
There both douchebags. One lives off the rep of a past game (which happens to be my favorite story in a game) the other for a game with one of the most broken online multiplayer game I have ever played. edit they both don't know how to keep their mouths shut. It always has to be something controversial said when they interview. It helps to keep them relevant in their minds. I like a developer who lets his game do the talking for them. It's called class.
I don't know about you, but I think Jaffe and Bleszinski have totally different personalities. One is a jerk, and the other just complains a lot. Care to tell them apart?
Jaffe has some intellegence backing up his rants :L Cliffy B just says hiliariously stupid/trolling things to get a reaction and stay in the news
David doesnt always get a free pass. There have been articles where he says something idiotic like "Sarah Palin is nothing but a milf" and gets bashed. This is a more logical rant with no swearing or pig headed statements, which is something Cliffy B uses a lot more ("Heavy rain is for girls" MGS4 is passive entertainment Naughty Dog is going down.). Cliff pretty much makes a living off of being a douche while David only goes off every now and then and yes he IS called out for it.
'The funny thing is that most 360 fanboys r on there consoles playing there games while PS3 fanboys troll N4G. ' Looooool on topic Devs, whoever they are or their allegiance should show a professional level of decorum to their kin. If you can say anything nice, say nothing at all. The hypocrites are those that a) back jaffe but not turn ten b) back turn 10 but not jaffe c) keep quiet about their preferred devs antics but are quick to sh!t on the other sides devs who do the same. d) understand that devs play the media using many techniques from downplay to overhyping to achieve a set goal YET go on ignorant to that fact when it suits their argument.
Can you help me understand why you feel that agentxk is the voice of N4G all of a sudden? There was ONE comment that doesn't make sense, and all the 360 fanboys go into full victim mode. How about we discuss the actual comments instead of crying about people disliking your boyfriend?
i dont see how jaffe 'lashes out' he was putting his point of view after apparently some ppl was distorting it, jaffe doesnt lash out on its console counterparts devs, he is probably exposing the truth, that BF3's great visuals =/= good game Cliff instead just goes around sayin that is gay to play with something that looks like an ice cream, that he has a problem with move but not kinect, that he has a problem with the DS3 but not the 360 gamepad etc etc, with no supporting reasons whatsoever see the difference?
Ya I'll help you out. It's the "Do's and Dont's of N4G. I wrote a blog about it not too long ago. http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
That's the difference between the two. Nice job turning this into another PS3 vs 360 argument, idiots. You guys don't even read.
do you really need help understanding that. Cliffy B makes an exclusive game on xbox, and Jaffe creates an exclusive on PS3, and this is N4g where Ps3 fanboys congregate and circle jerk each other. neither of these guys actually have to say anything at all. Most people on this site hate Cliffy, and love jaffe just because of what console they work on.
Gotta love N4G. Jaffe makes a good, well thought out point, and rather than discuss it, all people here do is ramble on about comparisons to CliffyB. Why don't all you guys making comparisons put some effort in and prove the two are no different, rather than derailing the comments with nothing but the same unsubstantiated claims based on nothing but generalizations about the community's console preferences? You're on N4G. Go dig up some articles about each of them, and compare what they are saying. Write a blog post, and shut up all the supposed PS3 fanboys defending Jaffe's ridiculous, douchey rants and soiling young Clifford's good name. And make sure to thoroughly analyze the comments to ensure the claims that all the PS3 guys are calling CliffyB, and not Jaffe, a douche are as accurate as they say they are. Oh, and I thought I'd point out the irony of a guy named LOGICWINS jumping into a completely off-topic argument involving Cliff and hypocrisy, when judging by the comments of the guy who called Jaffe smart, doesn't appear to make any fanboy comments at all. In fact, I even saw one comment where he actually praised Epic. But, hey, I guess that's N4G for you. Why discuss what the man actually says, when you can use any random comment you disagree with (preferably one near the top, just to maximize your fanboy flamebait's effectiveness) to launch into a rant based on nothing but generalizations of a community of thousands?
Someone said it above me. Its the 360 victim mode again which is waht is has been all over this site the last 1 month or more. But ps3 fanboys come on guys look how many of you guys are playing victim up above its sad. Raven that is the saddest blog i have ever read. LOL pot calling the kettle black.. Maybe ill make a blog on what the real deep meaning is behind the 360 fans crying victim so much lately. Just game people both are douche but this but but but cliffy b comparison ps3 fanboy site yayda yada yada has to stop. I used to be a regular back when 360 was released funny how on almost every level and every argument how much the starting position has changed.
Well the logic here is that logic wins. I know cliffy lurks on n4g and im sure it would sit well to know that even on n4g there are still voices of reason.
Jaffe Made God of war. Jaffe is Awesome. there... now stop talking about hypocrisy
at least jaffe doesnt look like a 25 year old guido from jersey shore.
logic has owned the ps3 trolls that embrasses real PS3 fans.
"at least jaffe doesnt look like a 25 year old guido from jersey shore." No instead he looks like a fat layabout who takes stupid pictures of himself with a surname thats so close to being 'Jaffa'
I don't see thing one wrong with what Jaffe said. I would bet my house it was taken out on context and spun for hits. That is what usually happens with most of these guys in the industry that say things that are picked up by tabloid journalist looking for hits. Off topic: This is an honest question because I sincerely don't know. Is Cliffy B. a game designer or just a PR guy for Epic? What does he actually do for them? I asked a couple of friends of mine this question and none of them knew and a few of them have met him. All I know him for is some guy that said hey man let's put a chainsaw on a gun and the rest was history. 1 thing I will say as far as comparing the two (Cliff and David). I know several people that met both and from what they tell me Jaffe is a hundred times more approachable / friendly. He is willing to talk to anyone about nearly anything. Cliff, from what I have gathered, has a bit of an ego, walks around with his chest up, nose up, smug and arrogant like he owns the world. Little Napoleon is the nick name his has been coined Oh and BTW, before the fanboys and trolls (victims syndrome set in) go into a fit of rage? I'm a 360 gamer, first and foremost. Check my profile, I am on right now getting ready to lay down some led in BFBC2. I am just being brutally honest.
Well let's disect this dichotomy. Jaffe is intelligent. (check) CliffyB is a douche (check) I summed it up for you.
the reason why that is because when jaffe rants he has logic \nd evidence backing up what he says and when cliffyB does it, he does it as a douche. Jaffe is all about the gamers and he takes the time to actually listen to them while cliffyB is all about the "business" and does not care so much for the gamers.
Hahaha none of you actually read what he said. Read it and tell me he's not right? lol Now that I think about it BF3 hasn't shown us anything too exciting in the gameplay department. It's just a really pretty game. I guess if you don't like to think critically you'll probably want to keep complaining and not read his post. But to anyone just reading the comments here, and wants to know what all the fuss is about (no it has nothing to do with Cliffy B or the 360vPS3 argument you read here) read the post.
@wannagethigh there is equal amount of ps3/xbox fanboys on this site. up to 2008 literally n4g was a bash-a-ton against the ps3. literally most articles were talking shit about the ps3 in the 06-08 era. turn 2011 im not sure where all those xbox fanboys went. maybe they got nothing else to talk about anymore idk. plus.. ps3 has more games to play than the xbox so im not sure where u get the idea that xbox fanboys play games while ps3 fanboys troll. cuz at the end of the day. trolls are everywhere. and xbox/ps3 fanboys are also everywhere.
Let me get this straight: "But see, this is what I meant the other day: the issue for you and others like you may very well be a) you are doing too many things at the same time to actually read what I write beyond the headlines or b) your reading comprehension skills are not where they should be." Jaffe not only has an opinion, he insults people, but that's ok.... CliffyB says his opinion, so he is douche especially since you disagree! Gotcha! Ever heard the saying "Opinions Are Like @ssholes. Everyone Has One and They All Stink". Go play your games, you will be much happier!
not me, logicwins..............i think both dave and cliff whine too much. however, in this case? i think jaffe is right. other than some kick-ass graphics, they've showed very little of the gameplay and we know nothing about the pacing of the game - so, i don't get all the over-zealous excitement. the first 2 were fun - but i never thought they were great........just my opinion.
Initial thought: 'Wow, Logic has a fairly decent agree/disagree ratio. I guess N4G isn't full of brainless drones' *reads replies* Oh... I'm not seeing any real 'argument' in Jaffe's comments. He's made an assumption that BF3 is getting attention only because of visuals, and then he scolds the media and gamers for praising the game. (Often times people make the same assumption about PS3 exclusives, 'oh, they're just pretty and nothing else...') He only mentions the tank part of the preview, which is just one part of the single-player footage shown thus far, and conveniently ignores any of the other footage, or the fact that BF3 is a primarily multiplayer game. Does focusing on one preview scene and then ranting about it make one 'intelligent'? O.o At least he's honest enough to admit that he's only seen the tank sequence and that's it.
"plus.. ps3 has more games to play than the xbox so im not sure where u get the idea that xbox fanboys play games while ps3 fanboys troll." Just coz a console has more EXCLUSIVE games doesn't mean that Xbox fans play their console less...There's alot of multi-plat games to enjoy too. There are people in the world who have more CD's than me, it doesn't mean I listen to music any less than them.
Ok, wait...... What exactly did Jaffe say that turned him into a troll. Compared to what Cliffy said in his past? read the article and see that he just doesn't want to give "THE MOST AMAZING GAME EVER" hype because he's not sure about the gameplay YET. YET, I say. Which means, he's perfectly fine for saying it is GoTY.
Pretty sure CliffyB works on the PS3 too! Unreal Tournament 3, 2 year timed console-exclusive(if such a thing exists) on PS3 says hi! One is a douche, one is not!
Some people have smart rants. Other people have douchey rants. What's not to understand?
@LOGIC - Read what Jaffe said in this "rant", then compare it to any of Cliffy B's rants, then tell me which is the douche. If you really can't understand this you should probably change your name. Jaffe said nothing objectionable whatsoever. The number of agrees you have is a good argument against the premise that N4G is populated only by PS3 fans.
So many stupid comments on this article that deserve a facepalm.
I hate Jaffe AND Cliffy. They're both arrogant piss necks. And yes, I just made up the name "piss neck" because I couldn't think of anything more appropriate. Which makes me a fluff knock.
OOOHH okay so when literally one person say something that means thats what everyone think and or feel .. gotcha .. im getting the hang of how things work on here .. The comments on this article shows you the norm of this site 1. never read the article 2. everyone argue about the same thing everyday 3. stay completely off topic 4. Generalise and stereotype your out of an argument that the majority of n4g for ya and im a part of it unfortunately
FFS the orginal title is "David Jaffe Upset Over Battlefield 3 Hype" Jesus effin Christ there is nothing in the quote to call it lashing out, he's VERY reasonable F___ YOU blitz0x, you had to make it stronger for n4g you dumb f___ ----------------------------- ------- edit: "Executive Editor for Gaming Irresponsibly Inc." HAHAHA IS THIS A JOKE? Before this pathetic article all your ten BREAKING-NEWS had in total only 3 comments, I know you had to do something, like unleashing n4g crowd on you website. Must be rally hard sometimes to see all that work be unrecognized, like what's the point... BUT HEY you can always wuote Jaffe and make drama out of it
How did you get "vast hypocrisy" out of one person's comment? Seems like a generalization to me.
Jaffe actually has passion for all aspects of gaming and gamers where he can give a very descriptive, insightful and educated opinion for what is going on in the gaming industry and for anyone who has a problem with his opinions. Cliffy B just takes typical 9 year old pot shots and insults anyone who is capable of criticism and not a fan of his Gears series. What's annoying with him is he thinks he can act smug and he thinks he's witty with his rants. He fits the typical douche you met in school who doesn't realize that no one likes him.
Use your logic, those arguments you mentioned are not comming from 1 particular person. Agentxk does not represent everyone on N4G. You don't even know whether he was bashing CliffyB or not. So stop being so defensive.
*Looks at agrees & Disagrees*, Yep, there goes the News4Sony argument.
Please... you all disgust me. This site should be called "News for Sheep". Open your eyes. Everyone here praises Sony like they are the Messiah. They want your money just like any other corporation, you stupid f'ing fools. So does Microsoft. Just play games and enjoy no matter what the platform. It's all good as long as you're having fun. Dumb cunts.
"Yep, there goes the News4Sony argument." No not really. This is still a very PS3 oriented website. At the moment, there are 275,683 posts in the PS3 forum as opposed to the 110,093 posts in the 360, Wii, and PC sections combined. You'd be lying to yourself to say that the majority of people on this site aren't PS3 fans...even though its blatantly true. "Just play games and enjoy no matter what the platform." I like talking/debating about video games almost as much as I do playing them. Isn't that the reason that your a member of N4G as well? If you "just want to play games", then why are you here in the first place?
ohh okay so lets just generalise all ps3 owners with 1 comment because he got some agrees instead of ignoring him
The difference is, Jaffe is an intelligent human being who, when it comes to the video game industry 'gets it'. Cliff on the other hand is an obnoxious, imbecile who can never construct an intelligent opinion when he 'rants' and always makes himself look like a fool. And when it comes to the industry and certainly does not 'get it'
"I like talking/debating about video games almost as much as I do playing them." I like talking about games as well which is why I come here. What I can't stand though is the constant infantile bickering about which console is better.
They are both awesome and I am a fan of both of there games. The whole idea that Cliffy is a douche because he works on 360 is stupid because he works on PS3 also and gave us a great console game that supported Mods which gave gamers the freedom to create or on stuff instead of paying for stupid maps. Give Epic some credit. Plus I don't think there is anyone here that didn't think Gears of War was awesome when it came out.
. ...the same thing he always says...if you don't agree with him you are... " either full of shit or not very bright. "... Seems to me that David needs another one of those self imposed time outs. :/
Jaffe has a lot of comments that makes sense and the logic is often sound, but he comes off as an @ss to me. Don't know if I would like to work with somebody like him.
Seems he's just mad that no one is talking about Twisted Metal?...
Twisted Metal looks terrible in my opinion, just saying. Think hes jealous of BF3 and its success before its even released. We all know the gameplay will be fantastic.
Look at any of the Twisted Metal gameplay footage and tell me if there's anything engaging about it. It's a vehicle combat game in a genre that's flooded with vehicle combat. This game looks like its coming out 3 years too late.
*Seems he's just mad that no one is talking about Twisted Metal?. He said he didn't care if his game tanked he is happy as long as gets to finish it.
If Cliffy B feeds on the tears of fanboys, then after this comment thread, he won't need to eat for a long while..........He loves butt hurt fanboys & enjoys the flame wars his comments create. Keep it up Cliffy B & Jaffe as i enjoy laughing at comments written by fanboys with tears in their eyes.....
"It's a vehicle combat game in a genre that's flooded with vehicle combat." What the hell does that even mean? You're criticizing a vehicle combat game for having too much vehicle combat? Or are you saying that there are too many vehicle combat games on the market right now? Either way the comment is beyond bizarre.
@ fanboi BF3 is a goddamn FPS, A GODDAMN FPS!! According to your logic BF3 should be10 years late and to be honest, from what ive seen, besides the amazing engine there isnt anything new, original or refreshing about BF3. BF3 is just BF with a new paint of coat!
I was excited as all hell for Twisted Metal..Twisted Metal 2 was one of my top 5 favs on the PS, however I saw a preview where it seriously could be mistake for a freakin Transformers Game, and that was very disapointing to me. However, the title of this article had me instantly thinking here's comes the shit storm, David Jaffe a PS3 developer bad mouthing BF3, which is everyone here's FPS savior..loved it.
nicely said apart from graphics the game looks like a everyday shooter we see. nothing special so far.
Yeh I agree there might not much innovation in BF3's gameplay, but it will most likely be one of the best FPS in years. Also, I really cant see any innovation in Twisted Metal. Even has bad graphics so it wont even win points there.
wow, I had to scroll down quite a bit before reading the first comment that actually isn't flaming anything, makes sense, and is on topic. thanks for that gray-fox. I was thinking the same thing, battlefield is a really pretty everyday shooter. that tank demo was boring! It's nice to see that not all people go crazy when they see pretty graphics
Yeah... that confused me too. I thought you were saying that yourself and not quoting him. I still think BF3 is innovating. The melee system, the supression, the destruction (I mean in a military shooter. Not red faction or scripted singleplayer from COD, and not counting ) The sound (which was in the BFBC series, but that had the BF name)the animation.... And the vehicles. The variety, the (goes on about shooting out lights)