Ryan Hillis of Gaming Irresponsibly rants about online passes
F the online pass!
I don't understand why people aren't upset over this. It's another way to spend more money if you have more then one account, or a way to have your family get charged for playing your game, I hate the whole online pass thing, and I only buy new.
I totally pissed,.. I really don't see any benefit from this shit as a consumer or a gamer,.. They shit about piracy and used game sales,.. which is BS,.. especially on PS3,.. Read some shit,.. almost no pirated new game apparently works,.. Like they don't understand that a lot of people trade-in their old shit to buy new games,.. So they can go fuck themselves,.. And now Sony started doing this shit,.. and that worries me like a motherfucker,.. Because they are the last glimer of hope in gaming,.. MS basically designed the whole online system to lock you into their fucking social system,.. The shit that goes on there,.. with total comercalization of games, their fucking services, adds,.. shit they do is appalling , at least make a fucking game once in a while...They are selling you as a human being an as consumer, to their 'partners' I am seriously considering not getting any game that is forcing me into this shit,..(from EA to MK9) Even if it means not getting Resistance,.. (and that is really hard for me, because I love those games) The whole industry is so damn corrupt,.. And they treat us like shit,.. It is incredible the eulas and shit we have to agree even with just running some games,..I am seriously starting to vote with my money,.. because most of these publishers don't have any appreciation for us gamers,.. It is us that sustain them,..fuckers, we consumers are the reason you even exist,.. not wall street and profits,.. If even Sony starts doing all this shit,.. We are seriously fucked,.. I am seriously starting to vote with my money,..
@zinkabassy I am not supporting any game that requires a online pass. If more people do like us then they will lose even more money.
Can I tell you guys a secret? The only time that I've ever bought a used game is when it was a vintage classic that could no longer be bought locally. Hate me or not, it's my opinion. I support the online pass. Because I simply hate the used game market. Games have been rising in costs over the years do to increasing cost of production. Would you rather the starting fee be higher with added bonus to first time buyers? Or would you rather the starting fee be lower without bonus and having that passed on to the 2nd time buyers. Yeah..... right..... it's not guaranteed that game prices will stop rising in prices. But I really don't see any other way around this. If "good" developers made more money it could only mean a few things.... A)better quality B)more games of quality. I'm sure this will come out wrong to many of your ears. But, I just wish for an honest market. My final words. Those who create, should receive.
I will not buy any game that has online pass. I suggest everyone do the same. That way they will get the message.
I understand peoples feeling on this matter and it sucks for them, but for me if there's a game I want because im really interested in it or a series I love (like resistance) I usually buy the game(s) new. If I can't get the game right away I either wait for them to go on sale or buy them used. Either way since I love the resistance series I will be buying the game day one its not like its going to be in all the games. I have more pressing matters to deal with in my everyday life then go all crazy over some online pass thingy.
*In Jerry Seinfeld voice* "And whats the deal with airline food?" /voice. Why choose PSN pass as the picture and not EA who invented the online pass? Oh that's right for hate hits.
So people wont buy used games..
it is quite a Seinfeld like comment. Eh, it's something that the gaming populous needs to come to expect. Hopefully game companies at least include free trials for rentals.
All online passes have had either 2 or 7 day free trials. Except right now I'm playing a rented NCAA 12 and it says I'm not eligible for an online pass. Weird.
That sucks, it is a good game too! Is it just not included?
I don't like that people who don't buy new gotta pay.
If your not supporting the dev by buying used then why do they care? Your not giving them money any way. Although I do hope they have the pass account level and it works with all the accounts on my 2 PS3's
Same as having to pay to play online.
Pretty much, true. Unless you have no one who plays your ps3, and you only have one account, and all you do is game and not have time to hang out with other people or other gamers.
This pretty much kills the multiplayer after a few months after its release.
Funny because I agree on this too, it could completely destroy online gaming, makes me wonder why Sony and ea and thq really want this pass thing.
It will ruin the online aspect to some extent. I still play Soul Calibur 4 online and even though its been out a few years I still see new players on a daily basis. These new players probably picked the game up really cheap, possibly pre-owned but if a pass ends up costing the same as a pre-owned game how many people are really going to pay that to play what is just a small part of the game. :o
because offering psn free of charge is costing sony a lot of money. The company just reported billions in losses for the quarter. Sony is trying to find away to make extra money. Psn plus Is another way but the hack issue also costed sony a lot with giving away items that they normally charge for. I don't like the idea but I understand why Sony Is doing this.
the writer of this article seems to forget one basic, but very important fact. legally, they have absolutely no right to any cut from preowned sales. once the game has been bought, that copy is no longer their property. sure they can charge for an ongoing service, and if that's all this was about then i wouldn't have a problem, but i know this is just the opening salvo in a totally unjustified attack on the preowned market. this isn't about protecting their IPs, it's about the publishers wanting more than their fair share. and how they're willing to violate our rights over our property to do so. and the writer is absolutely wrong if he thinks that totally locking the whole game is ever justified. not only is it unjustified, it's downright illegal. no other industry has the right to profit from preowned sales, why do people think the gaming operates by different rules to every other industry? if the writer sees this, there is something he needs to read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
Right you are. Very nice post.
I totally agree with you... but has anyone checked the T's & C's for disc based games? Do we actually own the game, or is the publisher just granting rights to a license to install/play the game? If that's not in the current T's & C's, then I suspect it'll be appearing soon. (Even though it's been proved in court a few times that unless the T's & C's are on the outside of the box they hold no legal value - for example, MS and Windows / Office etc, where it used to state that opening the box means you agree with T's & C's, but you have to open the box to read them!!!) Regarding digi downloads... I would be surprised if Sony, Steam, MS or many other vendors who supplies digital downloads grant actual ownership of the game - otherwise we'd be allowed to download a copy locally, and the vendor would not be able to withdraw use of it. And to answer you question "why do people think the gaming operates by different rules to every other industry? " It's because they can!
You don't have to buy a game used. It's your choice to do so and be informed.
There's lots of sides to the argument. Overall, the online pass adds zero value to the customer for the specific game they want to play. It's intended to generate profit, destroy the used market, and stop people lending games or sharing. It will also make a bit of a dent in the rental market too. However, to play devil's advocate for a moment... The video game industry is tough. Both MS and Sony have struggled to turn a profit this generation. Developers are having to spend more money and take bigger risks - some are actually betting their company on a game. Publishers are getting squeezed, and having to be far more choosey about the quantity and quality of the games they market. So, what if a publisher said, "OK, gamers you have a choice... either we keep online passes and launch 7 games this year and take a few risks with new IP, or we scrap online passes and release 4 games and they will all be follow ups to IP" Which would you actually prefer? That may be an extreme example, but it's the way the industry is moving, so we all better get used to it, or vote with our wallets. People are complaining about the Sony Online Pass in particular, but in many ways the Xbox Gold subscription is very similar. No online pass = no online gaming... No Gold account = no online gaming. I've seen comparisons to the motor industry, but they don't hold water... "Ford don't disable the brakes if I buy used" Well, if Ford could find a way to stop people buying used, or somehow take a cut of the money from every used sale - you can bet they would do that!
"Both MS and Sony have struggled to turn a profit this generation. Developers are having to spend more money and take bigger risks - some are actually betting their company on a game." These companies make up PR excuses for new charges, Stop drinking the koolaid, the gaming industry as a whole is raking in tons of cash, it rivals the film industry, even in a recession profits have been better than most other industries, except most notably oil companies of course. Dev's and the big companies are making huge profits, losses come from mis-management to begin this gen like micro with 360 failure rate and sony with terrible PR/marketing, bad laptop batteries etc, then they've both have had poor business ventures along the way like microsoft with kin, or sony with psHome still never really becoming a hit and psn going down for a month, these are just a few of examples of why companies lose money. No one anywhere CAN PROVE "MS and Sony have struggled to turn a profit this generation"= DUE TO USED GAME SALES. Of course when big budget games dont sell well companies take a hit, but that has very little to do with used games simply because the only games that see a high volume of used game sales are the ones that are very popular which means they have huge initial sales and over all sold extremely well= huge profits for devs/companys despite used game sales. Theres two ways to look at it for sure because even the most or least successful game will lose a small percentage of profits due to used game sales, but thats how business is in any other industry, but the bottom line is if your product is good you are going to make way more than your fair share off of NEW sales. Why be greedy? Proofs in the pudding, look at the profits from every huge hit this gen, lol every Gamestop has tons of used Gears of War, yet the game was nothing short of a mega-commercial success for Epic and partners. Same for every other blockbuster game. Now as far as the dev's who get shutdown or go out of business its because they are usually a small studio betting everything on 1 IP or a once great studio who has not made a hit game(high selling) in a long time. Either way once again that has nothing to do with used games killing them, videogames are same as any other business, if you bet everything on 1 horse(high risk) and it fails then you will go out of business, or if you rest on your laurels and you dont continue to make great products the consumer wants sooner or later you fail. Yes micro's online gold subscription is similiar, and I agree that online only play should be free, however you could make the arguement the gold service as a whole *ADDS value to online gaming with features and content so therefore for some the charge is justified, sort like how sony came up with ps+ so they could charge, but the key difference I'm getting at here is that psn pass is a NEW way to charge consumers for something that is free now and really is only meant to kill a market that has existed for 20+ years, thats the truth while everyone wishes 360 online was free, it isn't meant to kill off another market for gamers, these passes are designed for that purpose OR to make EXTRA $$$ off of a product they already sold once. -btw, I buy ALL my games new, but I speaking for my nephews, cousins and all the gamers who cant afford to do that.
I dont blame the online passes on the companies but i blame it on the used games market, if there was no used games market then there would be no online passes
I wrote an article on my website about the incentives being used to discourage the sale of uses games. We've got pre-order DLC as well, which is more of an incentive for buying new than online passes are, but even these are pretty rubbish to be honest and often consist of in-game items no one actually needs. I suspect the games industry views second hands games as lost potential sales. The same game could be re-sold hundreds of times without the publisher touching any of the money made. I kinda understand why that can be a problem for them, but I do think they're punishing the wrong people. They should be fighting with the retailers that push pre-owned games on to people, not the consumers themselves.
I agree that publishers see used sales etc as lost sales. I'd ask them where's their proof that any gamer buying used would have bought the game full price, or on a future budget release!! It's the same with piracy - publishers claim it's costing the industry billions - but they assume every illegal download is a lost sale. Which is not even close to being true. (I don't agree with piracy, but I also don't agree with the publishers logic sometimes) I'm not a fan of Online Passes, but I definitely see the publishers point of view. Anyway, no doubt in the future all this arguing will be a moot point - once we switch to 100% digital downloads, the used market disappears anyway - bet the publishers can't wait for that day!
I understand why they're being used, because developers/publishers don't make money off used games. That said however, it sucks for those who buy their games second hand. Perhaps a game they're not quite sure about due to mixed reviews, or maybe they don't have enough money. Either way it sucks for the customer.
Yeah, I would also add to what you said by suggesting that some gamers who are not sure about a title, buy it used, could end up loving it so much they buy a sequel at full price rather than wait. Publishers should see the used market as free marketing. It has the ability to create news fans!
This virtually means my renting days are over. I'm the type of gamer that plays a game furiously for a few days, keeps exploring, unlocking and upgrading every single possible thing I can explore, unlock or upgrade. And when I finally obtain that juicy platinum trophy I'm generally done with the game and I never play it again. So renting is perfect for me since I'll only be playing the game for a week or so regardless. I pay a small fee, get to play the whole game from start to finish, get that juicy platinum then send it back. I pay $8 instead of $120 and I still got to enjoy the the entire without penalty. But of course now I won't be able to plat any game with online trophies that requires a pass. I know some of you don't care at all about achieving anything in a game and having something to show for it, but I do. Very few games are worth the full purchase of $120, so unfortunately I see the number of games I get to play each year shrink considerably. I definately believe the developers deserve their fair share, there just needs to be a better solution. It's a pitty they can't legally force the retailers to give them a % of their used game sales instead of passing all the cost onto the consumer.
Yikes! $120!! Where do you live??
Depends on what type of games you like, and whether there are any Trophies that require online. You can check a Trophy list before renting, and so you'll know if there's anything you can't get without a Pass. Whilst I applaud your enthusiasm to get Platinum's, don't forget to enjoy the game, and hope you don't miss out on some great titles just because you can't get a Plat in future :)
I live in Australia, it's fucking ridiculas here as far as game prices are concerned. And I usually always check a games trophies before I rent. If I'm on the fence about a game and it has stupid online trophies I'll usually give it a miss. But I won't not rent an awesome game just because I know I won't be able to get the platinum.
I take it your mommy tells you the games are a $120 when you ask her to buy you one?
I'm a 24 year old student, and you're an idiot.
Just buy the game new... What's the problem? You usually now days get bonus dlc for buying new also... I buy multiplayer games new cause the online portion of the game is usually an even playing field on day one... Single player games I usually wait for a buy 2 get 1 sale...
Sorry to the author of this article. Didn't read the thing apart from the title. If this persists I will give up gaming because for one it feels too forced and way too sudden. All of a sudden the games are so expensive to make and it took the INDUSTRY 6 years to figure out. Second. Some people just can't pour money (and it is a lot to an average, shitty job possessing man) into a game that doesn't perhaps even give you a demo. If there are no more RPGs (example given because of their solo focus) then...eh, life might lose it's digital magic. The "what used to be" factor shall die.
My biggest issue with the online pass shit is that I have a family who game so a new $60 game now costs me $100 so they can all keep their new games and I will buy used so they get no money
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