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Rein: PC gaming has "shot by" consoles

Epic's Mark Rein has talked up the importance of PC to the future of gaming, insisting: "We're at the stage in the life of the consoles where the PC has shot by them in terms of capabilities.

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Agent-865089d ago (Edited 5089d ago )

Really good video and interviews. Not really anti-console, but more showing what PC's can do these days. This is a great quote: "Don't forget every game that's ultimately built is built on a PC. PCs are always going to be the tools through which all games get made". They also have a good response to the PC gaming is dying crowd. Looking forward to Part 2.

Ranshak5089d ago (Edited 5089d ago )

Well People are slowing seeing how cost effective and superior PC gaming can really be.

Most of my friends now buy games on PC. Sure they do have consoles however those consoles are reserved for the exclusives. The bulk of our purchases happen during Steam and D2D discounts. We stack up a good number of games until the next discount happens. Which basically involves picking up 7-8 games every time a discount all for under 100usd lol. Doing the same on console would cost hundereds of usd more.

Agent-865089d ago

"Sure they do have consoles however those consoles are reserved for the exclusives". That's pretty much my philosophy as well. I have a gaming PC and a PS3. Do most of my gaming on the PC, but like having the PS3 for their exclusives (plus the occasional console exclusive game like Red Dead Redemption).

Anarki5089d ago

It is also easier to pirate games on the pc. If they could find a way to get around piracy then yeah, pc would have a very good chance at taking on console gaming.

gamingdroid5089d ago (Edited 5089d ago )

I have a sh!tty gaming PC equipped with a Geforce GT240. It is used to run StarCraft.

I prefer gaming on console, mainly because I don't want to d1ck around with settings, with Windows and such. I just want to pop a disc in, play for 60 mins when I have the time on my couch.

PC definitely has it's strengths and games are far cheaper, far more flexible (i.e more likely to have dedicated servers and if not, you might be able to host your own), and with no platform restrictions. You can use Skype or whatever you want. In addition, games can look as good as your pocketbook is deep! ;)

evrfighter5089d ago

this is the same douche that said pc gaming was dying.

lol my how the tables have turned

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morganfell5088d ago

There is a vast chasm that exists between technology and gaming, as in what makes gaming enjoyable. Most fail to bridge the gap so that technology supports the gaming experience. Instead they believe technology = gaming. Company shills inevitably fall into this void almost every time.

mynameisEvil5088d ago

@ Anarki
Sorry to break your heart, but it is almost as easy to pirate games on consoles (well, 360 from what I remember) as it is on PC.

While I've taken an anti-piracy stance within the last 2 years, I used to pirate games a lot. And doing it on my 360 wasn't hard. After you mod it (which is definitely the most complex part, but simple if you have the right guide), al you do is download the files, extract them all, then burn it.

Voila. So, the only differences are that you need to mod it and burn the discs. Big whoop.

PC has not only "taken on" console gaming, but it clarified its superiority over consoles years ago. I'm not saying the consoles are bad, not at all, but PC gaming is just better.

P.S. Kiddies, pirating is BAD. You want the devs to make the game, right? SO GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY!! That is all.

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reynod5088d ago

Console gaming is actually very costly once you consider how much extra you pay per game.

Imo any serious gamer buys about 20 games a year atleast. With that sort of number paying extra per game on console can get very costly.

I would rather buy a 150-200usd gpu for the PC already at home then save on every game bought. Now that doesnt mean i dont have to own a console. Consoles are good for their exclusives.

Dee_915088d ago

The day i spend anything over $100 for a computer just to play multiplatform games with better graphics is the day im no longer a gamer
Im sorry but I dont care about graphics THAT much

But anyway im getting a gaming/ everyday pc because I need a new PC not for gaming

Substance1015088d ago (Edited 5088d ago )

I think Steam and the rest of the digital network has really brought PC gaming back into the limelight.

Not only are PC versions of games cheaper at launch. They are also 2x as profitable as selling a retail copy. Hence a PC game selling 1 million is as profitable as a console game selling 2million.

Lastly PC game prices fall quickly too. For instance a new game like Duke nukem was on discount on Steam for 24usd, you wont get that price on console. Add in the fact the cheaper version bought on PC will also work on the next PC which user may buy, however any game bought today on console has no assurity that it will work on the next hardware.

Hence in the end not only do people end up spending more on console, they get lesser version while not knowing if it will work with future hardware, nvm the lack of mods or control options.

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Spinal5089d ago

Totally agree here. My core gaming is done on my PC Rig. But I also have all three consoles for their exclusives. upon many things the PC is home to my favorite genre which is the MMO genre and thats why consoles could never replace it.

I'm looking forward to Battlefield 3, Gears 3, SWTOR, Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2 to name a few =)

N4Gsukballs5089d ago

And Yet all Epic Makes These Days are console Games. What a joke, Im Not Ranting But i think it sucks that We Have Got 3 Gears of war this gen And Only One Unreal Tournament. I hope After Geow3 They Focus more on Pc.

starchild5089d ago

I'm not anti-console either. I own all the current gen consoles and have owned most of the consoles in past generations. That said, I do have admit that the PC is where I play most of my games. The consoles are necessary for me simply for the exclusives I want that aren't available on the PC.

Most games are available for the PC, though, and there are many advantages to playing said games on the PC: better graphics and performance, more flexibility, cheaper game prices, and significant backwards compatibility.

Still, even though it is my preferred platform, I realize that not everybody has the same tastes or needs.

TBM5088d ago

i'm cool gaming on consoles, i get exclusives and 3rd party games. its just more comfortable for me, and i don't really go all gaga over max settings for games as i'm totally ok with how the games look on both HD consoles.

what i find weird is if it has shot by consoles, and they feel more people are gaming on pc's why arent giving pc gamers more exclusives, or going full out with the development of the games on them?

let's look at Battlefield 3 i know it looks stunning on PC at max settings, but it still looks good on both the PS3, and 360. i myself already have the game preordered on the PS3 and will be playing it with friends.

subtenko5088d ago

ok.......ya kno PC gaming is cool and stuff, but its not the standard anymore if anyone is thinking it will be the normal. Console gaming will always be the popular choice.

Also, personally I have a different experience when it comes to PC gaming vs console gaming. but I like both, but overall I think I prefer console gaming now-a-days.

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trancefreak5089d ago

Yes indeed and I am glad that we will be moving forward with our PCs'

I want to play with this good stuff on my gaming rig. That is why I built it.

Just waiting for SSD drives to grow in capacity and lower in prices ,but I do plan to get an Intel Sata 3 SSD drive for my OS and some crucial programs.

I will holding to my I7 2600k for awhile and just upgrade my GTX 570 gpu in a year or so. Vram will be an issue I believe on my card since it is at 1280mb
I noticed all the new nvidia cards doubled the perspective cards Vram.

BeastlyRig5089d ago (Edited 5089d ago )

"We're at the stage in the life of the consoles where the PC has shot by them in terms of capabilities."

This was still true in 2007 with crysis! 1 year after ps3 was released & pc already blew it out the water!

To bad it was so badly coded & un-optimization for people to play it maxed.

trancefreak5089d ago

The gtx 8800 was a huge upgrade and it was a beast.

If the ps3 would have had that as a hybrid card with the 768mb of ram and the cell the console would of been a serious monster for some time with the cell.

That would of made the ps3 probably a 1200 unit(speculating) and the ps3 would of had to of launched probably at least 2 years later. 8800 gtx also was a great heater in the winter time but I loved that card for 4 years strong. Rip my beloved 8800 gtx LOL.

Mr_Lu_Kim5089d ago (Edited 5089d ago )

I feel your pain my 8800GTS (640mg) OC verison died recently. God I loved that card. It still maxed everything that wasn't DX11.

Louis_Guzman5088d ago

Also too bad that Crysis wasn't a..you know..good game.

nickjkl5088d ago

it was true when a gpu came out that was more powerful than the console

its true for pc when a gpu outperforms a gpu you bought

seriously its annoying same with all these people asking for another console gen just so they can get a jump in graphics what will those people do when amore powerful gpu come out ask for another console gen

Bonobo123455088d ago

Gonna max crysis tonight and see for the first time with my own eyes what all the hype is about.

I paid £10 for it and it better blow my fucking mind with all the hype this game gets even years after release.

f7897905088d ago

I don't know about blowing your mind, but remember this came out in 2007. 2007!

But yeah... it's horribly coded to kill whatever you play it with.

maniactadpole5088d ago

If it doesn't impress you, then download couple of mods for the game.After applying the mods, I can guarantee you that you will definitely be AMAZED by the graphics.

Bonobo123455087d ago

@aboves

Did it and to be fair it was pretty sweet, I'm not used to full 1080p resolution and the game really shows its colours on max.

It is deserved of the hype, The textures and shading are amazing. But a lot of current games have superior polygons and are just as pretty. Its just a pity consoles can't run them on 1080p
with a nice frame rate.

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MrDead5089d ago (Edited 5089d ago )

this site use to have news ............lord help us all.

trancefreak5089d ago

Not to be a dick but that was good news.

1: They discussed how much more powerful the pcs are now compared to consoles.

2:how much game technology has advanced to with especially in regards to ill give you 1 tessellation.

3:The new engines that the next gen could feasibly use at a good price point in the next 2 years.

4: What they expect the console makers to produce in regards to hardware to push this new tech.

These guys are our tech gurus and game gods who will push the future now and later.

Very optimistic after watching the video.

MrDead5089d ago

We all know that a machine that you can infinitely upgrade can give you better visual quality then a 5-6 year old system. But dont sideline consoles because the graphics arnt on par with moddern PC's. Games are made to entertain no matter what they look like yes its important to keep upping the tech but this doesn't necessarily mean better games and I think alot of people on this site miss that point.

There will be a new Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo but until then cant we just enjoy what they offer instead of moaning and complaing. I still enjoy my Amiga and Atari Lynx as much as my PC and PS3.

Louis_Guzman5088d ago

You have to understand that Pc gamers are in a desperate situation. So desperate that they'll embrace any game, no matter how crap it is, as long as it's exclusive to the pc or atleast is released first on the pc (examples being The Witcher and Crysis). Thankfully, they are a vocal minority and generally inhabit online gaming forums. They're generally an ill-tempered lot, mad because consoles stole their cookies. They are obnoxious, but their tears...oh their tears are so sweet.

trancefreak5088d ago (Edited 5088d ago )

They arn't sidelining sh1t did you guys watch the video.

They are discussing the future. we can still keep njoing the current gen of consoles I do for sure.

But one day we will move forward. Is that why I got got so many disagrees because I critiqued the video?

Seriously watch the video.

This video is A+ for the future.

Hey louis pc gamers desperate over what? I have both consoles and a high end pc so what is it that your are saying?

Tell me again? desperation man there are so many games on pc and my ps3 exclusives I cant handle them all. Please don't tell me you got your head wrapped around a single box.

I gotta live my life like BBQ and drink beers.

Bladesfist5088d ago

@Louis_Guzman You have to understand that we have more exclusives than you and a wider variation of games and mods too keep us entertained indefenitly. Just look at Terraria, Red Orchestra 2, Witcher, Witcher 2, Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Most mmos, Loads of RTS, Interstellar Marines, Crap loads of indie games. Also with all the games also available on console we get a superior version and often mods.

stu8885088d ago

the best 2 games on that list are coming to console... just saying...

I didn't even think crysis was that good. Crysis 2 certainly was worse than crysis 1. Crysis 1 was basically Far Cry with aliens instead.

HaloSpartan5089d ago

It's always been like this. PC will always be ahead. You can play a game like gta 3 on pc and see it vs a console. It amazing how much better it looks on PC.

trancefreak5088d ago

yeah it does but some peeps cant handle that fact that their system is in its twilight graphically.

The games still rock on consoles just the graphics can only go so far on a closed system.

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Epic CEO Sounds Alarm On Changing Industry As High Budget Games Not Selling Well

Epic CEO believes the gaming industry is undergoing gravitational change. Many games are released with high budgets, and they’re not selling nearly as well as expected.

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Cacabunga254d ago

They are selling.
Gaas are a very risky model to follow.

Epic is lucky with fortnite, it’s the reason why they’re making such claim.

Development costs increased yes, but for me it’s due to folk relying too much on advanced hardware.
A great game is regardless of raw power, ask Nintendo

Zombieburger638253d ago

You blame powerful hardware? It’s most certainly because devs aren’t given enough time, mismanagement by superiors, forced dei and shit writing all around.

Cacabunga253d ago

Taking advantage of more tech means more time and therefore more cost, which can be risky if the sales don’t follow.
It’s what i meant.

bradfh254d ago

With high inflation, government money printing, and rising debt, many people will have to cut back on entertainment to afford food and shelter, especially with no increase in living wages.

PRIMORDUS253d ago

Sweeney is worth $7.6 billion, and a sell out. Turned his back on Unreal Tournament. With that much money he has way more than enough to make a new UT with UE5. If not he should just give the license away to fans and they will most likely make it better. Never liked Sweeney after he abandoned UT.

Amplitude253d ago (Edited 253d ago )

Do you really want a new Unreal Tournament though?
Games like Resistance, Warhawk, Unreal, Halo, Last of Us Factions, Unreal Tournament.... they just don't exist anymore.

If a new Unreal came out, it would have a battle pass, skins, nonsense currency, and would have to be free to play.

One time payment online multiplayer games that don't hold people's attention for infinite hours [service] just aren't enough for publishers anymore. This new generation of players too - they just seem to get bored if there's no endless progress bar to fill and unlock emotes.

I miss when multiplayer games were fun too but they aren't anymore.

(If anybody else is with me here, come play Warhawk on RPCS3, we've still got a sweet community of players over there and always love new people joining)

PRIMORDUS253d ago

I do want another one yes, just build upon what made UT2004 so good, one of the best arena FPS ever made. I still have it installed and play sometimes. To me it seems these types of shooters is where you see the most skill, no hero shooters where you have someone healing/helping you rack up kills, with Quake and Unreal there is no crutch is kill or be killed lol. Best for fans to make it, it can be free with no season pass shit. Maybe Quake 5 might come out one day and be like Q3.

remixx116253d ago

Warhawk, resistance, socom confrintation, killzone 2. Ps3 was amazing with the multiplayer shooters

Amplitude253d ago (Edited 253d ago )

@emixx116:
Still is mate. All 4 of those games have active communities on the real PS3 or emulation through simple DNS changes (and getting whitelisted through the Discord I suppose). MAG as well !

rlow1253d ago

Get rid of all the political crap along with DEI. Then they’ll start selling again. When you attack your fanbase and the consumer, what do you expect to happen?

LucasRuinedChildhood253d ago (Edited 253d ago )

No. Tim Sweeney is not so subtly spreading the bullshit narrative again that single-player games are dying - he's saying that people want to play games with their friends instead.

If anything, the big budget projects that are consistently failing to make money are the type of games that he is pushing. Metaverse, live service shit. Single-player games are more likely not to bomb.

But rather than sniffing out this bullshit, you're opportunistically going along with it to mindlessly scream about DEI. C'mon, man.

The main issues that do exist are outdated game design (Ubisoft, Bethesda), budgets getting too big in general and shoving live service into traditionally single-player projects.

Elantregaless253d ago

Gamers, why arent you buying high budget AAAA games? they review well on IGN.

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Fortnite maker's appeal in Epic vs Apple case smacked down by Supreme Court ruling

The Supreme Court seems to have given it's final verdict on Epic and Apple's legal battle in the US.

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Epic win: Jury decides Google has illegal monopoly in app store fight

Three years after Fortnite-maker Epic Games sued Apple and Google for allegedly running illegal app store monopolies, Epic has a win. The jury in Epic v. Google has just delivered its verdict — and it found that Google turned its Google Play app store and Google Play Billing service into an illegal monopoly.

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gold_drake550d ago (Edited 550d ago )

oooo shiiiit
well, there ya go

but i think the biggest issue are the judges in these cases.
most of them have no clue about all them things.

ii wonder what the judge will decide Epic actually "won" or what the out come is.

Petebloodyonion550d ago

Why are you saying the judge have no cases?
I think the judges shows lots of clairity that in a duality market (APPLE and Android) there's no competition when both are already agreeing on the price.
Do you think there would be deals if Wallmart was the only store where you could buy food?
How would the argument of "but there's competition between Cookies and cereal brands" would hold up when Wallmart could decide that each provider must pay a 30% comission just to display product in store?

There's already tons od laws to make sure that there's not only 1 physical store brand and that store owners can't be in cahoot with competition in order to fix price so why would this be different for Virtual storefront?

gold_drake550d ago

i didnt say that.
read properly next time.

and the digital market is more complex than supernarkets.

Einhander1972550d ago (Edited 550d ago )

"Do you think there would be deals if Wallmart was the only store where you could buy food?"

This isn't even the same types of argument, you have a variety of different devices you can get content on, like Apple pr Google or PC or consoles, all these things plus more compete with each other.

The only winner in this decision are Epic, Microsoft and other people who are already rich. All these greedy companies are using the law to steal profits from each other and it's going to be the consumers who pay more.

All these devices we use are heavily subsidized by the profits these platform holders make from selling peoples products. If you think Epic is going to start charging less for their MTX now or whatever your crazy, consumers are not going to get anything back from the winners here. All consumers get is the privilege to pay more for devices.

Edit:

"Wallmart could decide that each provider must pay a 30% comission just to display product in store?"

Walmart does take a cut of every sale in their stores....thats how they make money. They also sell shelf space, the products that are are in the center instead of the top or the bottom pay to be there and to have higher visibility and easier access. They also sell access because obviously they don't have enough space for every brands products.

Using your Walmart analogy, how long do you think Walmart would stay in business if they just let anyone walk into their store and sell things without helping to pay for the upkeep of the stores and other costs? They wouldn't that's why things don't work like that.

That is what Epic wants, they want to use these devices with out paying to help maintain them.

Petebloodyonion550d ago (Edited 550d ago )

@Gold _Drake
Sorry bad writting from my part I meant to say Why do you think Judges have no clues?

@Einhander1972
Last I checked tons of small developpers and consummer association complained about the 30% tax cut that Sony Steam, Google, Apple are charging so why do you say only Epic benefit from that decisision is beyond me. Heck I recall this article making the headline recently
https://www.gamesindustry.b...

As for Walmart Upkeep, I would like to remind you that it's Wallmart and other store who need to cut in THEIR profit margin if they want to match price seen in other stores and not the other way around like in the digital market where Game publisher must sign price parity clause to please Google, Apple, Valve and Sony
https://www.linklaters.com/...
https://www.ign.com/article...

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Extermin8or3_549d ago (Edited 549d ago )

Thst isn the issue here. Thr issue ws the secret deals Google was doing to lower its cut for certain big apps publishers and only them and the fact that a requiremenf for said deals was nof helping epic games sefup its own mobile store.

Einhander1972549d ago (Edited 549d ago )

"Last I checked tons of small developpers and consummer association complained about the 30% tax cut that Sony Steam, Google, Apple are charging so why do you say only Epic benefit from that decisision is beyond me. Heck I recall this article making the headline recent"

Yes, yeah developers and other people who are selling things to you may benefit but the main benefit is these large companies who want to bypass fees.

But at the end of the day they are not going to start charging you less, they are going to charge the same but get more profits.

And the link you posted about the case against Sony is filed by Alex Neil a certified con artist who doesn't care about consumers they just want a huge personal payout.

And as for parity clauses again the money is going to come from the consumers one way or another, these people are fighting to take each others profits, if the parity clauses are blocked we'll pay more for hardware.

The idea that any of these changes are going to make things cheaper for the consumer are a joke, the only thing that changes is who gets the profits.

And as for Walmart, you missed what I was saying Walmart may lower the price on an item but they just charge the manufacturer of that item more to stock it on the shelves.

In some ways the digital stores are better because they don't charge an upfront fee to put an item on the store they instead charge a fee per sale. Which if they have to reduce the fee that charge for sales they would likely recoup that money by charging a fee to sell something on the ap store. Which also would benefit the rich companies over small developers who would be able to pay upfront fees that smaller developers may not.

Which is the reason Walmart only stocks the major brands and not a bunch of start up small brands, because the major brands can pay for shelf space.

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1Victor550d ago

Don’t hold your breath yet there’s a long road ahead with the appeals process then the Supreme Court will have the last words and I don’t see this court going against the big corporations earnings.

I’m been known to be wrong some times and truly hope I am on this one

anast550d ago

The pot has been stirred.

Einhander1972550d ago

This is terrible news for consumers, while Epic and others get richer we'll now have to pay more for our devices.

ChasterMies550d ago

How? Android phones like Samsung Galaxy are not subsidized by purchases from Google Play Store. And Google can’t quit on Android because of how much money Google makes from Google search on Android.

Einhander1972549d ago (Edited 549d ago )

Google pays Samsung billions to have their store on Samsung phones.

Samsung also offers it's own store.

neutralgamer1992549d ago

Einhander1972

samsung has it's own store but how many know about that store? its like comparing MS store to other well known stores

GamerRN550d ago

So does this mean Apple also has a monopoly?

Plague-Doctor27550d ago

No. The cases argued were different.

Epic sued Apple for a monopoly over iOS. Apple said iOS competes with Android, MS, Nintendo, Sony, etc for Fortnite. Therefore there is market competition and no monopoly. The judges agreed.

Epic sued Google over a monopoly on android devices. Because Google was found to have shady deals preventing phone manufacturers from putting competing stores on phones as a default app, among other shady dealings, they found google has a monopoly on android marketplaces specifically.

Basically, Apple being a walled garden actually kind of protected them

ChasterMies550d ago

Android isn’t a walled garden tied to hardware like iOS. Android is like Windows or Linux for PCs. Any phone manufacturer can use Android and any seller can have their own store on Android. But Google used its muscle to tie up 90% marketshare for apps on Android. That’s monopolistic behavior.

Hofstaderman550d ago (Edited 550d ago )

Phil and slimey company sitting up and plotting.... expect to hear how Sony is anti-gamer for refusing to have GamePass on their ecosystems they may very well do this to avoid 2027 . I can imagine his email to Satya...."we got them" lol.

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