Battlefield 3: DICE want to make Recon class “a team player”

BeefJack: "One of the greatest frustrations in the Battlefield series has been when players simply treat the Recon class as no more than lone wolf snipers. Well, DICE are out “to change that perception” of the Recon class with a whole host of gameplay tweaks to make them join in the team action."

[Emilio_Estevez]

Awesome. When I snipe I always call out enemies. Not sure why you wouldn't. Wonder what the will do.

[Sinterfire]

Yea me too. Whenever I'm in a squad I always go for the objective, well I guard them and call out enemies. I'll be doing the same in BF3 as well.

[Yi-Long]

... you're very vulnerable, but I love defending flags or taking out those guys in the guns who are shooting at our planes and such...

I don't really think many of my teammates actually even know what I'm doing or how many times I've sniped some enemy before he was about to kill a teammate, or blew up an incoming tank... but oh well..(!)

Kinda worried about sniping in the new BF3, but we'll see I guess.

[StarWolf]

i dont call out people because i will kill them myself.

I'll probably be marking wrong areas just so i can take all the kills for myself while my team causes a distraction going somewhere else.

[Heartnet]

at least your honest :)

[JeffGUNZ]

I am glad they are able to ID this as an issue and work hard to fix it. That was what drew me away from BFBC2 because if my friends were not on, it was unbearable to join a random squad, with no mics, who are all sniping. It got very frustrating very quickly.

[Simonkey75]

Yeah, I had exactly the same frustration with Bad Company 2.

Proper class based team multiplayer always seems to work better on PC than console though. Everyone always seems to want to just treat it like CoD Team Deathmatch and play individual super-soldiers than actually play the best psition for the squad on Live.

On PC there's more of a tradition for class-based multiplayer shooters, I guess.

[Heartnet]

So you managed to bring up CoD and PC in this arguement about a class in the game being a team player..

well done troll.. well done :)

[DanSolo]

Yeah it will be good if they can change Recon from Sniper to actual Recon....

Sometimes a sniper is exactly what you need, but other times it would be good to have them doing some recon and helping out the team.

I know people who when they play as Recon ALWAYS forget to use the motion sensors... and it's like... how hard is it to just throw one out every 30 seconds?

And it would be nice if people in general just SPOTTED as a matter of course... me and a mate always spot, but 90% of the time we are the only ones on the team who do.

It would have been really nice if DICE had included a "hold to talk" option to speak to the entire team. So speaking as normal only speaks to your squad, but pressing and holding a button allows you to speak to the rest of team to help co-ordinate.... that just seems obvious to be honest... I have no idea why it is not included. A mute other squads option would be an easy way to cut out any annoying people so it would be win/win.

[FragMnTagM]

Great ideas maybe we can suggest that talk to other squads option to DICE and it can be put into the game before it is too late. That is one thing I did not like about Bad Company 2 is that you could not talk to the other squads. It would be nice especially when you join a match and you are the only one on your squad for a minute.

[sovietsoldier]

what they need to do is start to change the mind set of players from a sniper to a dmr. dmr is designated marksmen rifle soldier who is squad based where a sniper is lone wolf or works in a pair.

i don't even see a need for dmr since everyone now has a scope on there gun.

[Chnswdchldrn]

sniping should just be removed from multiplayer FPS altogether imo...rarely can you make them team players

[Da_Evil_Monkey]

I disagree, I think many snipers are helping their team more than you realise. They are distracting the enemy (a sniper is a nuisance), often they are killing enemies on their way to kill you, they quite often draw a lot of enemies to hunt them down.

However many of them could help a lot more: moving forward with their team, covering objectives, spotting targets (in Battlefield, or by mic in other games) and not sniping when there are another 3 or 4 snipers next to them.

[caboose32]

Yea, having a few snipers on a team is more helpful then not. But in Battlefields case, a lot of the time whole squads or even teams are consisted of mostly snipers, so nothing ever gets done.

But that is mostly the players fault, not the game.

[Xi]

Why must developers completely break class roles to the point that each class has no variety. It's happening with tf2 and now they're going to do it to bf. (why does a sniper need a bow and arrow for mid-range attack, if you want to play a mid range character there's already the soldier and demo man)

Instead of taking the hard route and trying to balance out all classes developers are just giving these classes new weapons/equipment that makes them play more like a counterpart.

If you give a player a sniper rifle in a game, don't expect them to be running around the field knifing people. or spraying and praying like most of the other classes.

Game design is going to shit, and it's concept like these that are doing it. Keep your class roles clear and seperate.

I can't even play games like wow because with the exception of healer and tank every other class is pretty much the exact same with different tool tips. (I remember when rogues did few things and few things well, stealth, stunlock and burst, and I was happy, now you've got as many dots as a warlocks and the feral druid can out stealth you, it doesn't make any sense)

[FragMnTagM]

Did you read the article? They are working on exactly what the heck you are complaining about

[Xi]

yeah, hence why I'm complaining. They're taking what was the sniper class and turning it into a "team" class. Well, unless a team is 2 players, then the sniper class doesn't need more. IIRC, snipers tend to run as a team of two, you have the shooter and the sentry.

Instead of figuring out the issues with the sniper class, accounting for them via good level design, they're just going to create more benefits for a sniper to play like a "team" player, well that's not what snipers do.

Plain and simple, the recon class is designed to play as a lone wolf, don't like it, create servers where the sniper count is limited.I don't like it, so I'm not going to buying the game unless they retool the mechanics.

I mean they've already have some of the worst level design for snipers, that smoke and fog is a complete joke, and extremely unrealistic. It's proof that Dice wants easy fixes for their class dynamics instead of desinging the game mechanics and levels properly.

[Shackdaddy836]

Whenever I snipe, I always go for medics and engineers - always getting medics when they are trying to defib/heal and always shooting/calling down an airstrike when an engineer is repairing a vehicle. I also always keep a tag pistol on me if I see a tank/chopper (I sometimes use a handgun instead but not as much).

I usually don't play sniper though. I like engineer class so much more.

[DarkFantasy]

hmm i normally try to kill people protecting the objectives so my team can get to it easyer and then try to protect them..I always carry a mag with me for that quick kill it's real handy! but i am surprised at how many snipers never use motion sensors.

engineer is my fav too! i'm so good with RPG's i head shot snipers LOL

[Truth]

When I'm a recon in BFBC2 I use 4x scope so I can do short and mid range sniping with C4. Just in case my squad doesn't have an engineer I can get up close and personal with tanks or set traps. It's very easy to be a team player with recon, calling out enemies and all, just some people don't care to do it which boggles my mind. You get points for doing it!!

[omi25p]

I got sick of playing bfbc2 Because of low skilled players. E.G a sqaud of snipers stood 2 feet away from each other. low skilled players jumping a heli and crashing it, Preventing me from using it (im a good pilot)

[DarkFantasy]

"low skilled players jumping a heli and crashing it"

LOL i always find that funny to watch,they race you too it and they get 5 seconds of air time then BOOM!! they done goofed,but yeah a good squad that uses team work and strategy is hard to find.