Do We Need A PS4? Crysis 2 PS3 vs PC DX 11 Comparison

GB: "According to SCEE Boss Andrew House, the PlayStation 4 is not going to launch anytime soon, which made us wonder whether we really need a next generation console at this time. Sony have made it clear several times that they are targeting a solid 10 years for the PlayStation 3. We are in to the fifth year of the PS3 and developers have started mentioning the fact that the current generation has already reached its technical limitations."

[BeastlyRig]

they will need ps4 to play bf3 the way it's ment to be played! minus controllers..

[sphinct]

This gen hasn't fully run it's course yet, but the time grows closer. Basically, from a financial point of view I'd like to see an Xbox 720 in late 2012 and a PS4 in 2013.

[gameseveryday]

IMO this gen has already reached its max. The 360 reached its max in Gears of War 2 in 2008 and the PS3 with Uncharted 2 in 2009.

Of course there are going to be minor differences, UC3 will look a bit better than UC2 and GeOW3 will look a bit better than GeOw2, but that does not mean the PS3 or 360 is not maxed out. It just means that developers got a better way of optimizing their assets.

[qwertyz]

@rashid sayed

gears 3 looks way better than 2. the 360 didn't peak in 2008 even halo reach looks better than gears 2 and crysis 2 which reviewers call the best looking game on consoles also looks leagues better than gears 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

as you can see gears 3 destroys gears 2 completely in the visual department even gears 3 multiplayer BETA looked leagues better than 2

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about

by the way pc is already a GENERATION ahead of consoles acording to developers but I really don't think consoles are maxed out. If all console games looked like crysis 2 console version, uc3,rage, gears 3 and battlefied 3 console version(it actually looks impressive) only THEN will next gen consoles be needed as that would mean developers have FULLY tapped out this gen.

[thorstein]

You are correct sir. I also don't sit there with my PS3 or X360 on and stare at PC screenshot thinking..." If only..." If it looks good on my system then great. Otherwise, I want replayability, fun, and entertainment.

[NanoSoldier]

you fail Rashid: Gears 3 looks incredible and way better than Gears 2. So does Uncharted 3, the ship gameplay looked like straight from Hollywood. You have no idea of what ur talking about. And graphics aren't everything. No game on PC is as fun as Uncharted, Gears, God of War and the list goes on. I don't care if Crysis 2 or BF3 will look better on PC. They will release a very good console version of BF3 too. Short time ago Activision said that the mainly focus on the console versions of MW3 for example. The consoles are in a very good condition right now and can easily last anoter 2-3 years.

[jaosobno]

"We really hope that Sony launches or atleast reveals a DX 11 enabled PlayStation 4 sometime in 2012."

Wow talk about author's ignorance. Sony will never use Microsoft's 3D API. They are sticking to OpenGL or creating something of their own.

Plus, DX11 will in 2012 be a 3 year old API and by the time next gen is out (presumably 2013), it will be 4 year old API. If any party used something so old on a console that will last 7 years, it would be insane.

By the time that successors to PS4/X720 arrives, present gen of the time (PS4/X720) would be using 11 YEARS OLD TECHNOLOGY!

[zootang]

"gears 3 looks way better than 2."

Is Gears of War 3 out I didn't realise? Has the past not taught you anything.

[El Nino]

@ nano

You make a good point, i'm sick of these ps3 vs pc articles, there stupid. Yes everybody know's that a pc version will always look better than a console version but look at all the great games you can get on consoles that just aernt available on pc.

[Theonetheonly]

dude useless screens he looked at stuff that wasnt in the patch.

try showing the simulated raytrace local reflections

the new tessellation work

the superb water rendering or the new water interaction

or the new smoke shadowing

or the now the new parralax occlusion mapping

how about the displacement mapping that makes every crack on the street 3d.

the screens that this dude used are completely arbitrary, yes they do show improvement on a few but the differences are staggering.

No need for comparison i took the liberty to take some screens to further show the amount of detail in this patch. i turned the settings to ultra and flipped on dx11 there is a match of wireframe renders to show the amount of geometry were talking about.

For the love of god LOOK AT THESE then youll have an idea, this guys screens suck! Mine show the detail.

the amount of polygons/geometry is insane

ENJOY!!!!

youll like the shot that shows the detail in the tire treads.

1-5 are sets of the same screenshot drawn in wireframe and in game the amount of gemoetry OMG.

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I think there may be a misunderstanding about the amount of detail there is given all of the screenshots are at this crappy low resolution.

[Yukicore]

@Rashid Sayed Almost every developer uses at least 70% of current gaming system powers, these days its all about optimization and new tricks to make games look better, for example back then they used 1 layer of color for a wall, now they use multiple layers together and placing some little further to make wall look like it is more 3Dimensional than before, making it with smaller pixels with less size, so console can handle it. Some developers are squeezing the last byte out of consoles hardware, to make their game look better. (for example series like Uncharted 3)

[Lykon]

@ reed thanks for the screens and i'm honestly pleased you get a lot of enjoyment out of pc gaming but personally i could not be arsed with all the hassle for what? crysis ? and a couple of multiplats that look photorealistic? the updating tweaking expense and hassle are not worth it to me. Then of course you get your high end PC working just right and a few months later a new card comes out and yours isn't the best anymore..do you spend out and replace the card (and drivers etc etc) or do you live with the slight feeling of disappointment that yours is not the best anymore. I think the graphics on my console are pretty good and i have a lot of fun with it for much less expense and hassle. I do play spider solitaire on my laptop though which is a great game ;)

[Theonetheonly]

@lykon
well the way i approach it is from a bargaining standpoint. i usually follow a tick tock upgrade pattern kinda like intel. and it lasts about 10 years, so for my tick upgrade I replace all of the critical components of my pc to a standard that i feel is cost effective i just recently did this and i spent about $600, so i got a 2nd gen i52500k a new mobo that supports 2gpus and an ati radeon 6970.

when i upgrade in about 5 years i will do a tock upgrade where i buy a 2nd gpu another ati radeon 6970 which will be available for roughly $100 and I keep on chuggin.

so for roughly 700 i keep up with the times for about 10 years and then i start over keeping the stuff that is useful.

with the screenshots i posted earlier i didnt tweak anything, just installed cry2 and installed the patch and editor and looked at the game and took shots using the printscreen function.

and as for getting it working just right, i usually just build them install the os and turn it on. not really tough either, but if it looks intimidating to you then i wouldnt try it.

Ive worked with pcs for well over 10 years now and getting stuff working has gotten 10 times simpler over those years, pretty soon here anyone with about an hours worth of time could build and get a pc up and running.

[Foxgod]

Forza 4 is now the best looking 360 game, together with gears 3, and they both look way better then their previous titles.

Which means the xbox aint maxed.

[Lykon]

@ reed thanks for explaining and replying that's interesting. i do occasionally play a game on pc. i had a go at kings quest 3 remake recently and also tried that hitman game, roller coaster tycoon was very enjoyable. anyway, thanks for explaining.

[ABizzel1]

Crysis 2 DX11 on PC is better looking hands down.

But to me the difference isn't enough for me to say consoles aren't powerful enough anymore. The PC gaming space is constantly chancing, and it's great playing games in full 1080p, 60+ fps, on maximum settings, but I'm just fine with my 720p 30fps games on consoles. Ask yourself this are your ready to pay $400+ dollars on a new console for a slight graphics upgrade. I'm not. I'll be ready once we have better internet services to allow better online experiences/downloads/streamin g from consoles, better hardware that can run better physics, graphics, and A.I. And I'll be ready when said console(s) show a true leap over the current gen of consoles, because I only see a step up, and not a leap forward.

[nycredude]

Rashid Sayed

Max out or not, optimized or not, Uncharted 3 will be better than pretty much every pc game coming out this year. So unless you just like playing ok games with great graphics consoles are still the way to go.

[AKS]

The recently upgraded Crysis 2 is a curious choice for an example of why we need a PS4 soon. I downloaded those updates and tried it out maxed, and I was stunned at both how great it looks and how incredibly demanding it is. You'd better have some high end cards if you expect to get Ultra/DX11 running at a playable framerate. I have Crysis, Metro, Witcher 2 (no supersampling, though), ect. all running at very playable framerates at max, yet Crysis 2 at DX11/Ultra/High Res turned things into a slide show. I'm adding a second 6950 that I'm hoping will get things smoothed out assuming that they fixed that flickering bug with Crossfire. But what I'm saying is that there's no way you're going to be able to make an affordable console play something like this right now. With these updates, Crysis 2 is now the most computationally demanding game I own (not counting some of the crazy Crysis 1 mods). You're talking about at least $400 to $500 in video card(s) to get this thing running at 1080p with the updates right now.

[ProjectVulcan]

@ AKS the crysis 2 update for me runs barely any slower. But then i do use Nvidia. I believe that AMD must need a driver update for the game yet again, because it seems to have problems on some newer AMD graphics but perfectly fine on nvidia even with the current drivers. A GTX560ti is enough for ultra on this at those settings.

I think crysis 2 was a bit of a botch job to start with on PC and this is nice, but too late to generate interest in the PC version. Disappointed really with Crytek's attitude on the matter.

[morganfell]

An evolution in gameplay needs to occur before we begin looking at new consoles. The same old tired Modern Warfare clones need to die a timely death. Companies that repeatedly push out the same crap need to go as well.

Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, and Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 on the PC, Terminator Salvation, Wanted, and Bionic Commando are examples of great IPs that were handed to the same incompetent studio again, and again, and again. And they ruined them. Thankfully their doors are closed so they cannot do any more damage. There are still too many studios around whose cheap production values, and bargain price tag continue to ruin promising games every day.

Sega has completely trashed Marvel IPs and Marvel should be ashamed. Reports on Captain America for the PS3/360 are promising but one or two games isn't enough to make up for the mountains of garbage they have produced. An IP like Iron Man screams greatness and look what we received instead.

It is a little early to be trumpeting about new hardware when development is still in the stone age. Let's face the facts, there are not as many 9+ games produced every year as self serving media outlets would like for us to believe. The reason for such incompetence isn't the hardware. We do not need bigger trash dumps or prettier refuse.

Instead we need more innovations in gameplay. In addition, we need to look at features that are not as hardware bound as the public believes. AI is a good example. We have the horsepower in current consoles to provide a better experience with our processor managed friends and foes yet companies continue to use engine or crap 3rd part AI routines to provide the same mediocre experience ad nauseum.

When a kid stops driving his old car into the ditch and demonstrates he can keep it between the lines, then I will consider getting him a showroom quality automobile.

[AKS]

@vulcanproject

It could be that there is a driver issue with AMD cards. 6950s and 6970s are usually monsters when Crossfired, enough so that I put off my plans of buying a 6990 and opt to buy a second 6950, but the great scaling performance found in many games goes out the window if there are significant driver problems.

[JsonHenry]

Personally, as someone who for the time being has expendable income I wouldn't care if they updated the consoles every year. So yes, for me, I would love to see a new generation of consoles fully DX11 compliant with integrated physics acceleration and all the audio bells and whistles you can think of.

[RBLAZE1988]

god this website is a total embarrassment...I don't even want to go into how bad of a comparison this is and how bad of a game to choose to argue the need of a next gen system. They're gonna really feel stupid when they see the differences between battlefield 3 on pc and ps3/360. Crysis 2 was built with consoles in mind, battlefield 3 is being built with pc's in mind and ported to consoles.

[CaptainPunch]

Most of GamingBolt articles are written just for hits, like pointless comparisons.

[N4SIR]

@BeastlyRig

you mean with kinect?

[Jdub895O]

i dont know about yall but i see in the next few years Onlive is going to be a sleeper hit. Try it out it plays very well and looks good.

[zero_cool]

The majority of playstation 3 gamers don't need playstation 4 for at least 2 to 3 years still because there's enough diversity of quality games & content to hold us over until fall 2014 without doubt.Also a majority of game studios haven't even come close to exhausting out the playstation 3's hardware itself let alone ways to implement playstation move & steroscopic 3D into games.After all it takes money to make money & 90% of game studios need more time to financially recover from the huge investments made on game projects this gen before jumping into next gen projects.Also you gotta factor in playstation vita is on it's way this year so that's more for game studios to focus on & more invest money on.

[halocursed]

I wonder if the PS4 will have some kind of Onlive style streaming technology incorporated in the system itself!

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Seeing that Sony said "A 10 year lifespan" and they mention that everytime, it cant be relevant MIcrosoft could release a console in 2013 and may force Sony to release they're console pre-maturely. That is considering how far long they are on the PlayStation 4 right now.

Imo Sony will launched the new PlayStation before the year 2016. Again if the rumored new Xbox gets released in 2013 and is successful Sony will follow a year later.

[hennessey86]

can have a 10 year loife cycle, that doesn't mean sony can't release a PS4 in that time period.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Right, Well even then, they said PS4 won't come for a while so when will it get released 2014. just to support the PS3 for 2 more years at minimum with a "possibility" of supporting it for longer. 10years+

[saoco]

i agree that we do need to get the new consoles soon. but the difference is not as great as ps1 to ps2 or ps2 to ps3.

let's wait a little longer. say.... 2 years

[pepsilover_2007]

the ps2 to ps3 i thought was pretty big xbox to xbox 360 wasnt as big IMO i can still play some xbox games and they will be perfectly fine looking

[vortis]

Totally agreed.

I thought Sony did a perfect job of spacing out the PS2 to PS3. The hardware leap was very well justified.

While the Xbox graphically destroyed everything on the PS2 the upgrade from the Xbox to the Xbox 360 was like "meh".

Heck, most of the original Xbox games supported 720p so seeing the Xbox 360's offerings never looked all that much like next gen, just more like a slight upgrade.

Microsoft needs to make sure that their new console is an actual leap forward in generational technology. Sony has been doing a spot-on job with every new iteration of the PlayStation and so I'm kind of looking forward to what they have in store with the PS4.

[Mr Tretton]

Why is this always about graphics? If you really want to be up to date on graphics, relying on consoles isn't the way to go. Play on PC.

MS and Sony are just hitting a stride in sales and trying to make up early gen losses.

Look, I like graphics, but games aren't all about that. I think most of the greatest games of all time aren't from this generation, that's what needs to be focused on/discussed.

[MisterAV]

because graphics, physics, animations means immersive games and powerful hardware and without a powerful hardware you can't develop new type of gameplay. For example:
Could sandbox games made for PS1? no
Could complex world made for PS2? no
Could ............. made for PS3? no

Also good graphics mean from a technical view a good game, and so good developers...

[evrfighter]

so why are you talking about console games?

pc is the only platform capable of delivering all that

[Pl4sm4]

sure ill make a game with AVATAR like quality and only have u walking in a blank room and charge u $60 for it... hows that ? ... oh and could your pc play killzone 3 on 3d with a 200 watt power supply ?

[JellyJelly]

Well said, Mr Tretton.

[clrlite]

@Mr. Tretton
Totally agree and the fact that anyone could disagree with that statement is really pathetic. I will be playing battlefield 3, Witcher 2, and (probably)Rage on the PC, but when it comes down to it, consoles have the most hardcore games for me.

[Cha0tik]

I think Sony doesn't need to produce a new console... if they make the proper updates through Software updates the console will be fine. We still have beautiful games being made and from what every publisher has said "the full potential hasn't been unlocked yet. I honestly don't believe that BF 3 mess. As long as they find ways to improve visiuals and help gameplay improve on the console then I believe the PS3 might because to hold its own even if Microsoft and Nintendo both release their own new consoles. If sony does choose to release a PS4 before 2016 I think it will be must more powerful than the competition. I just hope they make sure everything is fixed up properly before release

[MachoMoustachio]

Are people stupid, do they know what the 10 year lifecycle even means?

It means that Sony will support a console for 10 years, that doesn't mean it's successor won't come out.

PlayStation 2 came out in 2000.
They supprted the PSone until 2004.
The PlayStaion 3 came out in 2006 and their still supprorting the PS2 11 years later.

Fuck they sold like 5 million PS2's in 2010.

[blackbirdi]

stupid article

[MachoMoustachio]

Since when has the PlayStation brand been associated with power, why do we expect Sony to suddenly make the most powerful consoles?

PlayStation less powerful than the Nintendo 64.

PlayStation 2 less powerful than the Xbox and GameCube.

The PSP and PS3 are the only Sony consoles more powerful than their competition.

As far as I'm concerned, the PlayStation 4 could go either way.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

How is the Gamecube more powerful than PS2...

[MachoMoustachio]

What do you mean "how"?

GPU and CPU.

But Sony had DVD. Nintendo didn't.

[mmaloverme]

gamecube is more powerful you know albeit not very many games showed it but it was resi evil 4 and splinter cell showed this to name but a few

[kamakaz3md]

it just was, i could always tell myself back in the day

[BrianG]

Did you also take into account that the Nintendo 64 launched 2 years after the PS1?

Or that the Xbox and GameCube launched after the PS2?

That time makes a difference.

[phozon]

come on that doesnt look like ps2 - ps3 difference beside that water the pics almost look the same ...

[Parapraxis]

Am I the only one who finds these comparison images to be not terribly different?

[BlmThug]

Thats All PC Has Over Consoles, Graphics While Consoles Have The Actual Games

[Pl4sm4]

well not consoles ... PS3 has the good games

[Semir]

Dx 12 coming next year, only for pc's of course. Good luck with your [new] dx 11 consoles, lmao

[Pl4sm4]

noone said that the ps4 would have DX11 .. or even DX at all ... trolling at its finest

[Semir]

Yeah, it will probably use dx10, lmfao

[PirosThe4th]

Wii U has DX10 lulz... a 2 year old GPU...

[monkeys]

um no it doesn't it uses open GL its not a windows pc. I am getting sick of noobs saying" bu bu teh dxz on teh consoles"

[PirosThe4th]

MEH? A NOOB??!? How dare you sir... I am just saying that the ATI GPU uses DX10 technology. That doesn't mean the console itself is gonna use it. >__> And for your info.... 360 Runs on 9. Since it's made by M$.

[mj_msv]

yes, the pics was not simular enough to compare, except the 5th one, wich I would say was far better on the ps3 actually!

[spacedelete]

" How is the Gamecube more powerful than PS2..."

give me 1 game from gamecube that matches or beats God of war 2, Gran Turismo 3 and 4 just 1.

[doublebass2]

I smell ignorant troll here..Resident Evil 4..and if you happen to mention the horrible port of Resi 4 that the ps2 hardware couldnt possibly run adaquatetly,you are a barrel of laughs by yourself..check your facts before blubering!Resident evil 4 was way ahead of any game on ps2,only doom 3,and maybe,Chronicles of Riddick on xbox you could say that surpassed it technically!

[pepsilover_2007]

Zelda was argueable on par with god of war 2 and it has a user controlable camera unlike god of war which is basicly an on rail camerea so they can make the scenes look better it could have been on xbox and gamecube and looked better

[BrianG]

There is a dilemma with these type of situations.

Sure DX11 games on PC look better than PS3 games, etc...

The real question that needs to be answered is

"Is it possible to effectively manufacture a PCB with a decent DX11 GPU and a modern CPU with enough RAM and other essential components while maintaining temperatures with custom cooling solutions in a condensed space, a fraction the size of a modern gaming PC. All at a price that would attract consumers (AKA not over $599)?"

Now I know it is possible to have a $599 custom built PC that can run DX11 games, etc.. But will that PC run those games with settings on high while maintaining respectable frame rates? I mean that is what it's all about right, the visuals and play-ability when it comes to high end PC gaming.

Consoles will probably never match the PC at any given time when it comes to graphics, etc... Only because the PC market changes so frequently and a ton of research and development has to go into answering my first question. Why do you think such an old GPU model was used for the current gen? To maintain temps upon load, etc...

In my honest opinion, the PS3 has shown me games that in some instances blow away what I would expect from a PC built with the same specs as the PS3. Why? Because developers for the PS3 can code graphical operations on the CPU, PC developers do not have the same liberty to do that with all their games since they can not focus on one GPU/CPU combination. Not saying they couldn't, but I bet it would take a long time to code the game specifically for each GPU/CPU combination to get the best optimization.

[BrianG]

hmm.. Did I make it to long?

Please elaborate on your "disagree".

[d3nworth1]

Its probrably just some butt hurt PC fanboys. They'll be the first brag about the graphics but never admit the amount of time, money and, effort they had to invest into obtianing it.

[Tachyon_Nova]

Probably because your key question is wrong. You should be asking if it is possible to build a DX11 PC for $1000 at retail prices.

Why is this? Because the consoles wont be out until the end of next year. That means the price of your 1K PC who have dropped to $800-900. Then take into account that Sony and MIcrosoft will not be paying retail prices for their parts, not even nearly and you could be looking at $500-700. Then consider that both companies have shown they are willing to sell hardware at a loss and you have a console ready for 2012 at no more than $500-600 based on a $1000 PC from mid 2011.

[BrianG]

Tachyon

That is essentially what I was going for. Mass producing a good gaming PC into a home console for an affordable price.

Maybe I should have explained it differently. But after reading it again I think I hit that point by saying a decent GPU and modern CPU, meaning modern day PC performance.

[_LarZen_]

The cash needed to run Crysis 2 vs PS3 for me ainth worth it...and it has nothing to do with not having the money...it's just not worth it..

[TABSF]

£600 on PC and £400 on Steam
Equals one kickass PC plus over 250 games including almost 100 DLC

http://store.steampowered.c...
50 items for £50 (Games and DLC)

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12 items for £28 (Games and DLC)

268 Games and 93 DLC for £398
Including major blockbusters and great indie games

Microsoft and Sony would not give you 40 games for £400

PC it only does everything!!!
Steam, the gamers choice!!!

[d3nworth1]

PC Fanboys They only annoy everyone

[caboose32]

@d3nworth1

lol

Then you have clearly never seen the ignorant PS3 fanboy. Unless you are one..... which seems to be the case.

[Miiikeyyy]

I seriously don't want a new console any time soon, there is no need for new consoles, the old ones are doing jsut fine.

[GoldPS3]

PS3 is almost powerful as a PC. Just look at PS3 exclusives compared to 360 exclusives and tell me who really needs a new consoles. PS3 isn't holding PC back. It's the 360 that's holding them both back. A new 360 is needed the most.

[news4geeks]

A load of rubbish and it would take too long to explain why you are an idiot.

[caboose32]

I almost feel bad for the stupidity that radiates off this young mans mind.

[iamgoatman]

And to think 3 people actually AGREED with you!

[death2smoochie]

PS3 does not even come close.
A mid-range $130 GPU ALONE for example has more bandwidth than the entire PS3.

[PirosThe4th]

you do know that ps3 uses XDR ram at a massice 3.2ghz? That thing is as fast as GDDR5

[death2smoochie]

@Piros

And all DX11 GPU's use DDR5 and still have more bandwidth than the PS3 regardless of XDR.
The PS3 for example has just under 50 GB/s for total system bandwidth.
A mid range LAST GENERATION $100 GPU (AMD4870) has 115.2 GB/s which is DOUBLE that of the entire PS3.
Just a side note:
The rumored specs for the new Wii uses a AMD4890 which has even more bandwidth. 125 GB/s.

I just listed LAST GENERATION GPU's.
Modern GPU's ot today whether mid range or high end are even higher in bandwidth and stream processing units.

For example:

The AMD 6970 and 6950 has more T-Flop power ALONE than the entire PS3.
2.25 AND 2.7 RESPECTIVELY. 160GB/s and 176GB/s.

I have not even listed Nvidia's cards also...and the cards i listed are not even HIGH END GPU's.
Dual GPU solutions on one chip have double what I posted for specs.
Like I said, The PS3 like the Xbox360 does not even come close to a modern PC...A PC you can build for well under $900.

[PirosThe4th]

I do now that... But you gotta admit for such an old hardware. The specs still pretty impressive for the time. I got a 560ti which probably has even more bandwithd and it plays anything on max. Pretty cool card.

It's sad though that Wii U is using old hardware already. Hopefully Ps3 or Xbox will sport better things.

[Yukicore]

that is a very stupid question, whole gaming graphics world is on hold because of consoles... developers are trying to squeeze every byte out of current gaming consoles hardware.
look at graphical leap between the end of PS2 age and the beginning of Xbox 360 and PS3 age.

[SYNTAXeRror]

Meh, the differences arent staggering, to be honest, to the untrained eye they look almost identical, minus a few clearer lines, and brighter rez

[coryok]

i cant even tell the difference in most of the screenshots, and when i can see a difference im not sure which one is supposed to be dx11

i have no problem with the graphics that ps3 can produce, its still great and i would rather not get new consoles for another 5 years. i dont want to spend another 600$ so i can play games

[dkgshiz]

We will need a PS4 in probably 3-4 years. The longer the better in my opinion. Looks almost identical. You can notice the difference though. Still nothing too drastic.

[b_one]

i want to play games that are cool, give relax and joy not lookin on pc an wank myself to the screenshots and thinking how much cash i need to spend on new gfx card

PC and consoles - two diffrent worlds

[jamison_2007]

Killzone one kick both versons to the curb

[TABSF]

WOW what a fanboy article

100% bet they was not running ultra setting that was just released on PC.
100% bet they was not running on hardcore or higher.

Looks like a mix of low/medium/high for the PC.
Also what is the point of a comparison if they are only going to run it a 720p with no AA.
I thought this was mean to compare the maximum the PS3 can do verses the PC.

Plus some of the comparisons are not in the same locations and not always looking at the same objects, just look at the mini maps.
I've seen amateurs do better comparisons.

This is a joke, I could list over 10 games that make these consoles look 10 years old, and 1st one is Crysis released same year as PS3 and still destroys Crysis 2 and every consoles exclusive.

Also its not about Graphics, Minecraft!!! Cry Some More!!!

Gimped Xbox 360 Kinect version with no Mods or texture packs does not count, neither does Minecraft classic ported on Xperia Play.

[zinkabass]

What you wrote is little retarded,..

Shit is not impressive at all ,.. (reso and reso appropriate assets with *AA and *Aniso) ,..

Sorry that does not impress me at all,... That to me is not next gen of hardware stuff,.. (neither does Crysis1 impress me anymore,.. And I run it stable @hardcore 45+FPS)

I really hope Sony stays with PS3 as long as it can,.. because if next gen is just about 1080P with higher assets and more AA and aniso,.. Then fuck next gen,..

Please list those 10 games,.. that look so incredibly better (except for reso(texture reso) AA and aniso,.. than console counterparts,..(it is like saying Quake 3 arena looks better, because I could run it at 4320p with 32 AA 16*Aniso and 10* bigger and higher res textures)

Means very little in overall visuals,.. unless reso is really low,..

And you are comparing 300 usd 5-6 year old machine with a gaming pc build in last 6 months or something,.. I bet it wasn't 300USD ,.. because my rig was 1700Eur and I am already a bit nervous about Battlefield 3 (not really,. but you get my point),..

But than again I still think God of war 3 is the most beautiful game ever made,..

[KING_KAI]

god of war 3 has fixed cameras in the world

[onenut]

we don't another un-secure device from Fony
but you knock yourself out!
lol

[d3nworth1]

You do realize that of all 3 consoles the ps3 was the last one to be hacked right? The wii and 360 was hacked years ago.

[vyke2]

says the guy keeps buying xboxes from M$ because of the RROD. btw i hope you enjoy the RROD 2.0 when the 720 comes out.

[Bladesfist]

hes talking about the online i think

[mmaloverme]

i hope they dont change the consoles soon the screen shots show only slightly inferior graphics ps2 was a success and had considerably poorer graphics back in the day but it had one thing gameplay !
plus i think sony are hanging on to some sort of memory upgrade for the ps3 to give more shelf life the cell processor good but ps3 lacks memory !

[d3nworth1]

Seriously too many gamers nowadays are graphics whores. Does it really matter which one looks better its the same game. I don't care if a game doesnt look photo realistic as long as it fun to play I play it. Look at the Uncharted series yeah the graphics are great but it goes beyond that. It has a cinematic qualiy that few games produces.Developers need to brush up on their story telling skills instead of worring some much on graphics. Alot of games nowaday look good but their story is garbage.

[Omega Zues]

One or Two games that go beyond the graphic capabilities for consoles doesn't mean "ZOMG NEED NEWZ CONSOLZ!". Sure there's various graphical differences but Crysis 2 is still playable on the 360 & PS3.

However its not as simple as releasing new consoles and expecting amazing graphics. Not every developer will be able to utilize new hardware, not to mention it takes years to develop new tools for the Studios. So lets say next year Xbox 720 or PS4 came out, it still would be around 2 years after that before you start seeing truly stunning games that actually access a system power.

But to be fair, its not like every PC game coming out these days are benchmark crushing machines. You could say that for the PC industry has slowed down on High end PCs. So sure, people are quick to blame Consoles for that but the truth is rather on what consumers are buying these days. Walk in any store where PCs are sold and you'll see a mountain of Laptops and Tablets. Only a small handful of Desktops are available and even less with decent stats.

I personally am in no rush to buy any new console. I still want to wait a few more years before I buy any new hardware.

[ATiElite]

Cryengine 3 is a DX9 console engine that can be easily ported to PC. It's sole purpose was to make games for the consoles with super duper quality in mind.

The DX11 in Crysis 2 is stapled on and is not that great. So therefore sure the PC version looks better not because of the DX11 but because the PC has more power to display more richer and colorful textures plus better physics PERIOD If the PS3 had more ram and a real GPU then there would be no difference.

CryEngine 3 one day will kick ass when they modify the code and inject DX11 into the base of it and not just glued on. Actually i should say run DX11 natively and not as an add on

The only reason a PS4 is needed is because M$ is surely making a X720 and Sony can not afford to be another year and half late to the party.

[Neko_Mega]

Can someone get better screen shots? That is the worst one I have seen. The first one is a close up view for PC and PS3 its far back and more looking to the right.

I don't see much to say PC looks really better, I can see more details on things. But not much, but most people go with console because they don't have the money to build a PC to play most PC games on high.

I only play games that I want to play on PC or seems to work better on it.

[kevnb]

but most people have the money to buy a 500-600 pc (or much more) and then a $300 console on top of that (600 at launch). I get you like ps3, its simple and what not.. but your not making sense. Just think if I waited until now to jump into this gen of pc gaming, playing games that came out before 2006 or low spec games (world of warcraft would have worked). I would be upgrading my pc by that time anyway, plus ill be playing games the way I like.

[Neko_Mega]

Yet it takes a PC better then $600 to play something better.

My $200 dollar computer is about as good as any $600 PC.

[xtremegamerage]

I love PC, PS3.

But why compare them.

PS3 is a closed box.

PC is a never ending series of upgrades.
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Anyone here watch only fools and horses, the one where trigger gets a medal for using the same broom. Same handle yes, but 20 different heads over the years.

[RyuCloudStrife]

Why spend 2 - 3 times building a PC over buying a console to get 20% graphical improvements...

IMO the PS3 looks better in those screenshots.

[kevnb]

dont be foolish, like consoles all you want but you just bought a pc and a console... I just bought a better pc. Is one of us wrong, naw we just have different preferences.

[SweatyFlorida]

In 2 years, yes, yes we will need a PS4.

[Daves]

"The screens above clearly indicate at how much the current generation of consoles are lacking compared to a modern gaming PC."

Sorry, but seriously, I don't know which was which. I never clicked to zoom in however.

Regardless of the article's intentions. I'd love a PS4.

[maxmill]

openGL>DX11

[kevnb]

if you want pc level graphics, game on pc.

[Miths]

Yes, we need a new generation of consoles, sooner rather than later.
It's all well and fine that the current ones can pull off graphics that don't fall too far short of PC in screenshot comparisons, but that means running those graphically intensive games at 720p or less (and this low resolution is definitely a bit more obvious in its flaws on my new 51" TV compared to my old 40") - vs. the typically 1680x1050 or higher PC gamers will be using on much smaller screens - and far too often at shaky framerates that frequently dip into the mid or even low 20s (even my aging gaming PC with a Geforce GTX 260 can manage 1920x1200 at 40-60 fps in most games).

And that's before adding 3D to the mix. Killzone 3 is a fantastic looking game in 2D, but I was sorely disappointed when I first fired it up in 3D when I bought my 3D TV a month ago and was exposed to something that - despite it's impressive 3D depth - frankly looked way too much like a low resolution mess full of jagged edges.
The Uncharted 3 beta fares better in 3D, but it still has some visual trade-offs compared to the 2D version.

[kevnb]

I agree, but those screen shot comparisons are always low res and dont show the true difference.

[majinaang]

You can hardly say the PS3 by talking about multi-platform title which was originally designed for PC gaming. Game like God of War III look simply amazing on PS3 (way better than this) because it was designed and produced for the PS3.

Dumb article.

[kevnb]

god of war 3 has nice art assets, but technically speaking it doesnt come close. Although, in god of war 3 atleast the framerate doesnt sputter at framerates as low as 15fps... its running around what devil may cry 4 would run on a 7800 at that res. I wonder why....

[Grannyvukka]

Graphics have not made the revolutionary jump they are usually known for over a 5 year cycle. For once consoles are not as far behind pc in terms of graphics as they have been every other year in gens gone by. Pc fanboys will argue till there blue in the face, but facts are facts, and fact are that graphics have kind of stagnated for the past few. And now PS3 is being opened up a bit more, & showing where that extra grunt has been hiding that xbox fanboys have denied it having, the PS3 is actually showing it can come a lot closer to pc graphics than most thought possible,....now even though the pc fanboys keep crying foul about BF3 running sub par hd, it has actually been proven since in several articles on N4G's that it is in fact running in proper hd, albeit a slightly lower pixel count than the pc version. Fact is, pc fanboys will be crying in there laps, as you won't be able to tell the difference, especially whilst playing & enjoying this awesome game. Then, look at Rage running at 60fps, with it's awesome graaphics & sick looking levels & gameplay, as well as MW3 also sporting 60fps & top notch graphics. These consoles haven't been outdated enough at all to require new consoles immidiately, as they have plenty of life & games left in them yet, & PS3 looks to be pulling ahead of 360 at a faster & faster rate, & I hope that 3rd parties start to have a bit of a go at unleashing more power from the PS3 & using smarter programming to get the most from this powerhouse little machine, as PS3 owners deserve it, Sony deserves it for building such a great machine, & developers deserve it & owe it to themselves to push as hard as possible to get the best from a machine, as it is sure to help them when the next gen machines are unleashed upon us lucky consumers....which I hope & believe will be late 2012. Yep, I could handle buying a fully backwards compatable, (blu ray using, 4 stickytaped together cells powered) PS4 & 5-6 games, for Christmas 2012. Would be a great strategical move if Sony hammered the PS4 out by next X-mas. Think about it, beating MS to the market & either being in line with Wii-U's release, or at worst only a couple of months later to market, as opposed to the 18+ months with 360 to PS3. Also, as Sony has stated, they hardly need to spend anything compared to what they did with PS3. I mean, I have been Sony's biggest fan with there approach in using a new media with every machine, PS1=cd, PS2=dvd, PS3=blu-ray....but, I must say, there new machine is the only time I say they really don't need to, they would be silly not to use blu-ray again with PS3's successor, A) because blu-ray can hold up to 200gig's on last count that I heard & someone has probably outdone that now, & B) Disk formats are about to become a thing of the past once Sony, MS & Ninty are sure that well enough of the popula, have access to internet, or a fast enough version of it.

[Grannyvukka]

All Sony has to do with PS4 is use a much faster Blu-ray reader, use the version of cell many speculate they have going, which is basically just 3 or 4 cell chips in one, put in a very capable cooling fan/s or system, have a graphics card custom built by one of the top 2 that is as future proof as possible....now the rest is just the bibs & bobs, but I think Sony should do these 2 things to help ensure they kick some butt this time, from the offset, & one is that they should make these small changes to controller 1. Leave anologue sticks in same position but just concave in the tops of the sticks, so your thumbs sit down into the sticks. 2. Add a bit more wing size to it, so it looks like the baterang PS3 prototype controller they showed off early then canned (it did look awesome apart from small changes it needed). 3. Make the triggers biggers & more like a trigger, and just place them right & in conjunction with L1 & R1, so all 4 can be used with ease & comfort, without the need for moving ones hands. 4. Add extra 2 buttons onto face, 6 buttons on face for fighters is a must & would be great addition to DS4. And moving from controller, add FULL backwards compatability to PS4 to make up for the terrible decision to axe it so early into PS3's lifespan which hurt sales IMO & also affected customer trust. Adding full b/c to PS4 would be a great & smart step for Sony with PS4, as it would give PS4 early adoptors (like myself I'd say) the chance to finish off some of the great PS3 games I'd either never got round to playing, or had started but never got round to finishing. This full b/c, as well as a new version of psn that has X-game chat, party options, more friend options such as obvious things like being able to join any friends game just by logging on, seeing what there playing, loading up yours & hitting join friends game from the xmb bar, as well as the little unimportant things like custom soundtracks for all games, & just do all those things that Xbox 360 fanboys don't want PS machines to have so they can act like school girls because Sony's machine don't have it, would be great. Just add all those things most of us don't care about & will barely use, to shut up dopey fanboys. But, things like X-game chat & easily joining friends, & party invite systems are all useful that I use on my 360, & definately believe if PSN had them, then Live users would have no legs to stand on, saying Live is better.

[jaizenmonillas]

We don't need a PS4 yet, the difference would be pretty minor compared to ps2 > ps3. why? games price, to be able to achieve greater graphics, it also needs more money to develop. so even if ps4 gets released today the difference would be minor.

[Holeran]

We have yet to max out the consoles as I see it. Killzone 3 just came out a couple of monthes ago and it is quite a bit better looking than Killzone 2. Gears 3 is about to come out and by whats been seen so far it is quite a bit better looking than Gears 2. Uncharted 3 is coming out soon and so far it looks as though it will look a lot better than Uncharted 2. Forza 4 is coming out soon and for sure it looks a lot better than Forza 3. So until we see these games and others not changing for the better graphically, we hane not maxed out the current consoles. Do some PC titles look better than all these games? Yes but is it enough to hope for an early new generation of consoles? I think not.

[Darkfiber]

It doesn't make the game any less sucky, so no, we don't really NEED a new anything.

[Platinum_k]

... i just cant wait to see the PS4 controller =)

[Theyellowflash30]

How is the framerate?

[SpinalRemains138]

Is this a fuckin joke?
Better technology? Always yes.
Don't need it my ass. If PS4 came out tomorrow, the guy who wrote this would be on line and his PS3 suddenly wouldn;t cut the mustard. Liars you all are

[Master_S]

CRYSIS 2 IS BETTER IN XBOX 360(CONSOLE VERSION)

THE REAL QUESTION IS - DO WE NEED A XBOX 720?

[caperjim]

Im not too excited for a new console if it isnt upgradable. In a year or two after launch it will be outdated as usual without the ability to upgrade. I think i'll stick with PC this time around.

[felonycarclub]

ps4 is not coming any time soon, so if you want something more powerful get a pc, companys cant even make as many games as they use too like the last generation because it cost alot more to make games, so if they make the ps4 there will be even less games and less companys to make them, so ps4 would be basically a pc really powerful and very little games i rather take more games and i think the graphics of this generation of games are amazing, i did grow up playing atari, sometimes i pause while playing games like uncharted 2 and just realize how much gaming has evolved

[SheenuTheLegend]

we need the f**ing funny gameplay
remember the days of PS2
that days were so fun
Only 1 gta for this generation while last had 5 lolz
Games were so long now only 5 hours long
I really hate this thing

[SAE]

yea T_T ..
i never completed a game in ps2 XD but i played alooooooooooot , more then 200 games , i still remember all the games together...

the fun was alot too , we always see new things but now i feel everything is old even if there is new things in the game ..

[WitWolfy]

there were actually 3 GTA games so far this gen if you count the expansions, that many claim was way better then the original game anyways

[TheOtherSide]

YES WE DO, YES YOU DO, YES THEY DO...

[SAE]

for me , the ps3 is really really old and im getting bored of t , release the ps4 , played all the good games so i want it , it won't heart if they made it now , the price will go down while you get satisfied of the ps3 , games won't stop releasing for it just like the ps2 so why not ?.. it's not like the ps3 just released , it's almost 5 years for europe now ..

i always said this , they will show xbox and ps4 in e3 2012 and will release it in 2013 , wii u is not danger for them because it makes the same level of games ..

[leonlion]

Pity crysis sucks arse as a game

[Braid]

I don't see jack sh#t other than the improved water graphics in those pictures that can be counted as a big difference.

[TBONEJF]

just don't have the money to spend on a new console at this time till I'm ready. There's still so many great games coming out on both systems so why still talk bout it?

[AhnnQuirajj]

Pic related.

[Rageanitus]

umm yah we need a ps4.... lets hope this time around the next gen will do full 1080p native.

[Kantor]

Crysis 2 was downgraded to run on consoles. The PS3 is nowhere near as powerful as even a budget PC.

[zero_cool]

Playstation 4 won't use proprietary code nor dose it need to because proprietary code restricts & limits any platform maximum performance & capabilities.Also all playstation platforms have always been open platforms & use open source code & always will & i wouldn't want it any other way.

[zero_cool]

PS3 runs on open source code not proprietary code & never will & nor will PS4 or any other platstation console or portable gaming device past or future...

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