Speaking to Eurogamer, Carmack said gamers should expect Microsoft and Sony to announce their next consoles at E3 2012, with the new systems becoming available in 2013.
An an announcement at the same time would be sweet. Imagine the spec wars that could happen. I hope it would push both of them to aim for higher specs. I hope Carmack is right and the technological jump is that significant. I hope Nintendo hasn't finalized the specs of their machine and are making something to be on Par with the PS4 and x720, though I'm not optimistic for it.
http://n4g.com/news/785306/... If Carmack is right and the link above^ is correct then Nintendo will again be left with the weaker console. Not surprising. Now I wonder if the PS4 will be more powerful then the Xbox 720. I remember Sony saying they won't have a PS3 type investment: http://n4g.com/news/771914/... And MS well, I hope they dont focus too much on Kinect next gen.
Not having a PS3 type investment could easily be referring to the investment of major new technologies,blu-ray and/or cell processors. Both of these are no longer new, so those initial high cost, longer term investments (take a loss in the beginning) don't apply.
i agree moth If sony puts in a faster blu ray drive and up to date cell tech...... the initial investment in ps4 still wouldnt be what it was with PS3. As far as nintendo they will release another console toward the end of next gen that can compete with PS4 and Next Xbox graphics..... it'll be the Wii Mii
"Now I wonder if the PS4 will be more powerful then the Xbox 720. I remember Sony saying they won't have a PS3 type investment" Yeah, that's true, but you've got to realize that they won't have to spend as much to make the PS4 really powerful. They'll most likely continue using the Cell architecture with more SPUs (maybe 32 possibly) and upgrade the RAM to something like 4GB or even 8GB. Then, they'll simply upgrade the bluray drive to a quad layer capable drive that can read 100GB or higher discs. Although this is pure speculation, it's certainly possible. This configuration would also make backward compatibility with all PS3 games a given. Also, developers wouldn't have to re-learn new architecture for the PS4 and the upgraded RAM would help "lesser" developers (Activision, etc.) to make great games without having to use the Cell as much.
Time to buy market shares of all the fanboy orientated websites :P Their servers are going to be on fire!!! I remember people used to say that the PS3s graphics card was 50 times more powerful than the PS2s so this x10 improvement is very believable..
umm PS3 life time to be at LEAST 10 years people. would be nice to see a demonstration of the new hardware but i dont want it released anytime soon
Easy to be 10 times faster by 2013. we already have a single GPU within reach of that, a GTX580. By the time 2013 comes around GTX580 will be a midrange GPU at best. Next generation of PC GPUs within the 12 months will easily surpass the 10 x performance of current consoles and have 10 x the amount of video memory.
@lil Titan Well, it's not like the ps3 would suddenly vanish when the ps4 comes out. Think of the ps2 when the ps3 came out. 2013 would be 7 years. It's completely believable the ps3 would remain going for 3 more years afterwards, greatly dwindling each year, as did the ps2.
@lil Titan PS1 and PS2 life time, were also 10 years but they launched within 5/6 years of each other. Sony have said they will support PS3 for 10 years, but it doesn't mean that, they can not launch another console during that time. Besides, Sony would be wise to not give Microsoft another year and a half lead, as they did this generation.
Graphically i think games are starting to come to a point where there's really no point to update the gfx, technically i believe what it now comes down to is processing power, if you look at games like uncharted i don't think there's a whole lot to improve on it graphically, but if you look at sandbox games like Infamous and Yakuza you can see a big difference from the players character or any of the main characters models look a lot better than any of the npc, what we need now is more memory and power in that sense. Edit: also it worries, if the next consoles are that powerful as it can hurt the game industry for moving too fast, development costs are going to be higher than they already are so 3rd parties wont make as much high quality games due to costs, we're already seeing 3rd parties use dlc to cover up costs for this gen who knows whats going to happen next gen if this carries on.
"if you look at games like uncharted i don't think there's a whole lot to improve on it graphically" of course there is. Liquid physics, destruction, particles, facial expressions, foliage, fire, resolution, animation, shadows, lighting... No matter how fantastic uncharted looks, it will still look "last gen" in 3 years, when you see uncharted 4 or Halo 5 on the next generation of consoles. We're really far from the point where we could say there's not a whole lot to improve graphically. (In fact Ballestra said last year in an interview on gameblog.fr that he thinks it will probably take another 20 years before we reach "perfect" graphics).
It may seem outdated by then but if you look at it this way if you look at at 3rd party titles last gen and compare em to this gen you can tell there's a big difference in quality last gen, development costs for games were significantly lower compared to the cost to develop on HD platforms thus 3rd parties could take more risks, this gen most developers are doing the same there are very few 3rd party titles that have been a big success, the game industry at this point needs to take a breather meaning longer console generations, not a huge leap of power compared to next and last gen, as much as everyone wants a 10x more powerful Ps3 next gen but whats best for the game industry needs is to net get too ahead of its time.
Your right about the spec wars happening. If true, I already have a headache... N4G will explode!
i wish Nintendo would stop being cheap skates /greedy cash cows. Nintendo were's your Ballz?? Build a new SGI type of machine !! The true successor to N64!! Give us a Massive parallel processing behemoth!! Shoot lease the cell processor or hire IBM and build factories give us a True Nintendo256 or something lol I want Donkey Kong Country and Killer Instinct! in a full realized 1080p World a quest pure violence!!! with 100GB disc space and some serious graphics 4 GB VRam!!!!! Buy Sega and ad all their I.Ps to your library!!!..Sony and MS will fall !!!! partner with Apple!!! Give us a real Gaming Machine you sell out gimmicky bastarrrds!!!!!!
I believe Nintendo's Wii U machine will be 3-4 times the power of the current gen. PS4 and Xbox3/720 will be about 4-5 times as powerful as current gen likely. So either way they will be very comparable and its certainly not going to be a big gap to hinder gaming performance between these new consoles. Like the Wii/PS3-X360
No way dude. Just no way.
And nintendo will be the one with the less powerful console as always.
i doubt nintendo can afford to keep up with sonyµsoft
They can but they choose not to because they always look to gain profit from the start unlike MS/Sony which start at a loss.
Nintendo is stricty gaming. Microsoft is rich with computers and software and Sony has Tvs, computers and other appliances. Nintendo can't afford to lies profit
I don't see why you got them agrees because the Wii was the first underpowered Nintendo system, the older consoles have been the more powerful ones.
As always? No, Kon. It is sad you received 4 agrees for such an incorrect statement. Nintendo's consoles this generation are the weakest, but last generation and the gen before it were stronger than their competitors. The Nintendo 64 was more powerful than the Playstation One. The Nintendo Gamecube was more powerful than the Playstation 2.
N64 came two years after ps1 and I don't know of a game that prove game cube was superior to ps2.
N64 came two years after ps1 and I don't know of a game that prove game cube was superior to ps2, tech wise yes, game wise no.
Compare the GC and PS2 versions of RE4. The GC was more powerful than the PS2.
Yip, a better example might be that Resident Evil Remake, or Resident Evil 0, those both looked better than anything on the PS2 at the time, and Capcom did say they had to downscale to get Resident Evil 4 running smoothly on the PS2, and the graphics were widely reported among gaming press to be inferior to the Gamecube version. So they are all good examples.
since gamecube has been weak. wii,ds,3ds. Gamecube while strong was limted by nintendo wanting to control its image. not many 3rd party games went to it
Not as always, more like as once before. But then again coming from the same guy who said that consoles would be dead in a decade this doesn't mean much. It would be interesting to see how close to PC they can get with their graphics and speed on a console tho. I think too many people expect some kind of graphical miracle which as long as the boundaries are not broken on the PC which said games are made on, it isn't going to happen.
Sounds about right, its been about tenfold the last two gens I don't see why the next should be any different.
i want 100x more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xbox 720 will be here in 2012
Meh already sick of this spec war already....
Agree. In than end what is making me decide wich console to get are the exclusives. Both the Xbox and GC were more powerful than the PS2 but if i had to choose any of those consoles i would pick the PS2 without giving it a second thought.
Bu..but xbawx had teh Haylows. Lol
i belive him and the next two years i gat some serious gaming to do on current gen consoles ima beat em baddd!!!!!
So does that mean that Nintendo will get the short end of the stick again next generation when it comes to multipats?
It's gonna be a bagillion times more powerful.
Carmack has SPOKEN!
im still going with PS4 2014 & xbox 720 2013!
Too early for this nonsense, let me know when something official is announced.
Wii U - Spring 2012 Third Xbox - Holiday 2012 PlayStation 4 - Holiday 2013
How about we all just wait and see...
I don't think Sony can afford to launch a year after the 720 nor vice versa.
So, what does 10 times more powerful mean? Does it mean game will be 10 times better - NOT! 10 time longer? Don't think so. How could a 10 times increase in processing power improve games at this point? I don't see a reason for a new 360 or PS3 any time soon. How much more realistic do we need graphics to be? That's the only thing that will be an improvement - the visuals. Only Nintendo is looking to improve the way games are played and they don't need to improve the graphics to do it.
I dunno, I'd love to see a Demon's Souls with Crysis Warhead (on really high) graphics.
Demon's Souls doesn't take full advantage of the PS3, anyway. The developers were not focusing on visuals with that game and they probably won't focus on visuals next gen, either. By that time you'll have seen game that look more amazing than Crysis Warhead and whatever game the DS developers make next gen still won't satisfy visually.
I'm guessing MS will be announcing new Xbox next year. could not guess on ps4 but we all will know when it will be close there would loads leaks. remember ps3 and all the rumors PSP vita sony good company but they have some very not so trusting employees TacoTaru you totally missing it. More AI on screen smarter AI bigger areas just few things that could improve next gen.
You mean trustworthy. And that is only one issue with your syntax.
10 times more powerful than whats out now? Its gotta be water cooled if thats the case. How in the heck do you need processors that are faster than 3.2 ghz? All we need is more RAM and better GPU's, what else do you want consoles to do besides play games and be multi-media devices? I say 2-4 gigs of RAM and a 9800 GTX with the same processors would be plenty enough for any game to ever need. These $150+ dollar gpu's are seriously just overkill. And to the people who need two gpu's. Unless you need it for work what in the hell are you gonna do with all that power?
Most people call that kinda setup a PC lol
Clockspeed doesn't automatically mean more power.
That ridiculous! Even my gaming PC that I built 6 months ago isn't even close to that, and it's no slouch. Would all that power even be necessary? And games are already expensive enough to build. Carmack sir, you need to relax, and take a deep breath.
A Ati HD 4870 is more than 4x better than the GPU the PS3 and the 360 uses. So with a modern CPU and that GPU you can be 10x more powerful than a PS3 or 360.
Didn't know that. Nice to know my 5850 is probably about that much faster.
even if those spec are wrong graphic cards have been doubling in power every year for few years now an every 6 months drop in price 50-100 bucks or more so for Sony/Microsoft too invest in machine that to good for least 5-6 years plus that not hard too believe as for the question of is that power necessary look at game like bf3 the technical side physics holding 30+ players with no slow down lighting all that takes processing power
If only be would have used at least one point ...
could u imagine actual photo realism could come with next gen
you can imagine that hitler will rise from the dead too. doesnt mean it will happen. Take a look at current PC GPUs. dont expect anything better. That means no photorealism. Not for a while.
well u sound like you know what ur talking about so sure... but just imagine boob physics and how many polygons will come with 10 fold system those are going to be some perfect ass n boobs
Perfect asses and boobs w00t bring on next gen! lol.
'but just imagine boob physics and how many polygons will come with 10 fold system' Let me tell you about something called porn
@ Tretton Well there's porn which is basically a cutscene and then there's boob physics they are 2 completely different things
only console retards think in terms of OMG 10 X MORE POWERFUL !!!. Learn about the hardware or shut up and play your games.
10 times? That's pretty bold.
I don't think it is. I've heard and read several places that the PS2 as 10x more powerful than the PS1, just as the PS3 was 10x more powerful than the PS2. I would not be surprised if the PS4 is 10x more powerful than the PS3 (Not extremely hard to do with a new wave of GPU's and CPU architectures slated to launch before the next gen systems). Same with the Xbox, the next one will more than likely be 10x more powerful than the current. Even the Wii U could come out as 10x more powerful than the current Wii. Why go to a new gen on hardware that is static and non upgrade-able without a justifiable leap in power? EDIT: actually tried to find a source for the 10x from PS2 to PS3, couldn't find it. Maybe that was just rumor, either way 10x doesn't seem unlikely.
Wii U: April 2012 Xbox 720: September 2012 PS4: Spring 2013