Each new release for the PlayStation 3 is seemingly getting larger and more time-consuming in regards to the game’s install time and size. For Alice: Madness Returns, the install time is a staggering 20 to 30 minutes.
was was that about disc swapping being a pain
That doesn't seem too bad all of a sudden
Lol, and look how they spin it, "I'll just go and get something to eat." Fail... Edit: So people are going to skip the game now? We were just joking around, geez...
I don't understand what is installing that takes that long. I rented the game yesterday and after an hour it was back in the case, ready to be returned. The overall idea is wonderful, however, the final presentation was seriously devoid of any indication of a well made game. The very core mechanics of the game seem primitive, the colors very bland and the graphic are straight off the PS2. It is hard to put a finger on something that breaks a game. The indie games and smaller ones are hit or miss and you can just tell when playing one that is not "AAA" if it's really well done or if its garbage. This, is the latter. Take Demon's Souls. It was done on a small budget, lacked graphical prowness but the core gaming was addictive, challenging and you were soon sucked into its world. Alice simply comes off as a rough idea that fails to execute that spark that draws you in. Shame, for sure since the story and characters had potential. My two cents.
No problem... I'll just make myself an appetizer while I wait.:p
Precisely my thinking. Wait and find something to do while the game installs. Besides, having the game run from the HDD means that loading times are faster than they would have been if the game loaded entirely from the disc.
never heard of the game
then you probably shouldn't comment on this article...
it was the terrifying moment before you take out the first disc, trying as hard as possible not to move the console an inch or it'd get angry at you and eat your disc. EDIT: At below. You could count to 100 hundred and the percentage would move as you count for the installs in MGS4. (it took 100 seconds for each Act in case you were confused :p)
Who cares PS3 has way too many exclusives to buy Multiplatform anyway.
Install time for MGS4 was even worse if I remember correctly.
...but all I see are delays and/or cancellations.
It must really suck to be so blind and fanboy-ish .. I mean, you're missing out on so many good games. ;)
I don't understand the people who complain about installs (mostly xbox fanboys) as you can just take that time to go to the toilet, watch tv or do any other variety of stuff for a short while.
The only problem I have with installs are the hd space.
If you have issues with that then get a larger hard drive or just delete the installs for games that you haven't played for ages.
Getting disagrees maybe because people don't know how to rid themselves of some files to make space for more... Just like with the PS2 cards back in the say, when too much space was taken up then all you do is delete a file you would never use (unless it was something worth keeping like J&D)
You mean, cause I'd rather play the game than go do 'other stuff.' That's the whole reason I bought the game and put it in my PS3, ya know. Yeah, to go do other stuff and not play my game, that I just bought. Yup. People have a reason to complain, about these long and annoying installs. Just like PS3 fanboys complain about the multiple disks, for x360 games.
Non-optional installs suck, but that's not because of the PS3, it's because of developers who design for the PC architecture on the PS3.
agree. plus i haven't seen a install time like that since DMC4, or any Capcom game for the most part.. most games now hit at what 7-10 mins?
it wasnt 20 minites it was morel ike 10 i made a sandwich and and coffee
Wow, they must be installing the entire game. It wouldn't be a huge problem for me, but this game looks kinda average imo.
I actually rather welcome them these days. I ALWAYS install my 360 games if given the option and always have since my fist 360 scratched disc 2 of LO and I couldn't finish the game. Of clourse I've become used to them on PC over the past God knows how long as well and though they're more novel on console I honestly just wish more games(ANY!!) would allow me to install them fully optionally on PS3-it's the mandatory thing that gets me and it never happens on 360 solely because of the fact not every 360 HAS a hard drive so devs have to find a real answer there rather than just dumping a cache of reread on an install to cover for the fact they couldn't be arsed doing things properly for one of the platforms they work on! Half joking with that-sometimes it IS lazy devs-but given the fact it's always done to improve performance where's the issue(though I totally think a by product of MS not going with an HDD in every system is , along with closer to PC dev kits, why we don't ever see a mandatory install there as it's a shortcut not allowedwith every 360 having to be able to run every 360 game)? It always improves if Install a 360 game to HDD and I'm betting were we allowed to install full games on the PS3(more of an issue to me than piddly mandatories)a lot of those would perform much better too. but,whatever, these stories are as boring as the disc swapping ones-they're both old hat and the result of decisions made years ago r because people STILL aren't used to optimising for PS3. either way we shouldn't get heated about this nonsense and non issue-again, i'd LOVE to be installing EVERY game on HDD as it improves performance, cuts down heat and energy AND looks after the disc and laser reader. This seriously isn't a reason, like swapping a disc or two, to buy or not buy any certain console.
That is pretty bad. Going to pass on this game anyway.
That's really bad for this type of game. If developers out there are making more complex and beautiful games without a long installation time then it just means this is a badly optimised game. It would be understandable if this was 2-3 years ago but it's not.
I was going to rent this but install times piss me off so much. 3-4 minutes makes me want to kill someone. 20 minutes? Might need to go on a mass frigging slaughter...
already passed was going to get it but not now got other games to get as of yet
Don't see why this would be a problem, unless you're one of the trolls above who wanna complain about installing a game on a system they don't even own, lol. An average game at best with this much of an install? Meh..
almost as bad as complaining about disc swapping on a system they don't own.
Exactly the same, in fact. both may be annoying, slightly, for those who own the systems but truly are NOT big issues anywhere but here. I LIKE FULL installs as my family is a disc scratching team of kids and mastiffs and as a rsult I prefer an install to more discs but it would NEVER have put me off buying a 360 either. Little things, little tiny things.
If Killzone 3 didnt need an install I dont see why other games need it/ Guess not all devs are stellar developers.
Infamous 2 requires a 2GB+ install but the way they did it was smart. It installs a little (maybe 10-15 secnods) and the rest installs in the background as you play the game.
And at least with inFamous, you can go across the entire map without loading screens, or take on / complete a mission without having loading screens.
Might rent this, installing isn't much of a problem if your hard drive is fast. I install DC:UO in less then 30 mins and that is 17GBs.
I have a 7200RPM hard drive, it still took around 15 minutes for this game to install. On the box it says it only needs 3.5 gigs so I didn't understand why it took so long.... Overall it was well worth the wait. The game has almost no load times at all...
There is really no 7200rpm HDD in the ps3. Its actually can be bad becuase of the heat and speed improvements are so small its not worth the risk.
@thecraft Thats where my two year warranty comes in lol.
Neko, what's the DCUO community looking like now? I really want to check it out but I'm afraid the game lost a large chunk of players when the PSN went down. What do the player numbers look like? EDIT- Thanks for the details
Last time I check it was pretty good, I have heard they might be switching to free play (So no monthly payments). But that is what I have heard, I would say it is a must pick up, GameStop is selling it for $39.99 and it comes with a month free.
Also, they're suppose to be merging servers together to boost the player population on servers, so it should help out a bit as well.
There are many PS3 games with little or no install time at all. So what does that say about this developer?
"Each new release for the PlayStation 3 is seemingly getting larger and more time-consuming in regards to the game’s install time and size" Stopped reading after that, this isnt true as you said many have little to no install, especially the exclusives..
this dev has no games on current consoles until now and only a handful to there name http://www.spicyhorse.com/g... 1994 - Wolfenstein 3D, Tester (Atari Corporation) 1994 - Doom II: Hell on Earth, Level Designer (id Software) 1994 - Doom, Level Designer (Sega) 1995 - The Ultimate Doom, Level Designer (GT Interactive Software) 1995 - Doom, Tester (WMS Industries) 1996 - Quake, Level Designer, Sound Designer, Tools Programmer (id Software) 1996 - H!Zone, Co-Producer (WizardWorks Software) 1996 - Hexen: Beyond Heretic, Co-Producer (GT Interactive Software) 1996 - Final Doom, Level Designer (id Software and Atari, Inc.) 1997 - Quake Mission Pack 1: Scourge of Armagon, Level Designer (id Software) 1997 - Quake Mission Pack 2: Dissolution of Eternity, Level Designer (id Software) 1997 - Quake II, Level Designer, Sound Designer, Tools Programmer (Activision) 1997 - Doom 64, Level Designer (Midway Games) 1998 - Dominion: Storm Over Gift 3, Sound Designer (Eidos Interactive) 2000 - Timeline, Co-Designer, Co-Writer (Eidos Interactive) 2000 - American McGee's Alice, Creative Director, Co-Writer, Designer (Electronic Arts) 2004 - American McGee Presents: Scrapland, Producer (Enlight Software) 2006 - American McGee Presents: Bad Day L.A., Creative Director, Writer, Co-Designer (Enlight Software) 2008 - American McGee's Grimm, Project Leader, Creative Director, Co-Writer, Co-Designer (Turner Broadcasting System) 2009 - DexIQ, Project Leader, Creative Director (Spicy Horse) 2011 - Alice: Madness Returns, Creative Director, Co-Writer, Designer (Spicy Horse) (Electronic Arts) thats mcgees portfolio. cut them some slack alice is an amazingly good game
Installing is annoying but I don't buy mediocre games, I rarely do because they get a price cut and bargain binned quickly for poor sales. Waste of money if you buy it now.
Good. Developers should always take full advantage of that PS3 hard drive.
Installs are the #1 thing I absolutely HATE about the PS3. Installing Duke Nukem Forever took awhile, too. But the absolute worst was with WWE All Stars when it has to "clear the cache" every once in awhile.
Unreal Engine.... PS3.
And this is a problem because?
Wow are you "gamers" really that impatient to where you can't wait a half hour? When I buy a PC game I have to install it and download any patches, when I bought 360 games I'd install them (when I had one), and if the ps3 version of a game has an optional install I do it (of course i do it to games that require it too). Yea it's sad that games are still having to have mandatory installs but it's not going to kill any of you (sadly) to wait a bit. All I can say is don't play PC games if you can't wait through an install. @below Oh yea I figured half complaining weren't gonna get it and the other half are prolly people who don't even own a ps3, that's just the internet for you.
Half of them complaining were not going to give the game a shot anyways. It doesn't have guns and soldiers in it, what do you expect lol. I agree though. While annoying, I still don't mind it all too much. Especially for games like this where they are enjoyable and the install actually helped, little to no loading times. So once you pass that its non stop fun.
Well didn't dnf had mandatory install and it help the ps3 visuals?
Indeed!DNF PS3 runs smoother due to HDD install,sadly the 360 version even with a bigger code game installed runs like shit!But the game looks shit on the three systems PC included.DNF shoud have stayed dead,releasing a game that was been 14 year in development with huge flaws technical,visual....its ashame for Duke Nukem heritage!Worst game i have seen in a long time,WGOTY!
Funny, I installed it last night and there is no way it took that long.
Does anyone even want this game? I haven't seen anything good about it. Sounds like they don't know much about programming on the PS3. There's no reason a PS3 game should take 30 minutes to install. And if it's only 3GB it really shouldn't. They must have used the slowest options when they wrote the installer.
Ah I remember playing the original game on PC when I was little. Creep the hell outta me.
I think its absurd!
This is total BS. I bought this game last night and it didn't take longer then 6 minutes to install. Maybe its because I have the newest version of the ps3 console, a 160gb version. But this article is very wrong.
Never once has an install done a ps3 owner any harm lol ;) Takes a bit you do soemthing happens once in the entire time you use the game. Its becoming rarer today for this to happen ether way but its no biggy. Will not stop any one with a ps3 enjoying the game. Really takes a fanboy to have a rant at something stupid like this dosen't it. When it affects gameplay then theres something to complain about. I'm not even gonna start getting into that cause then id have to take shots at my xbox and i don't care to atm it was a bad enough E3.
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