Nintendo tells hardcore gamers: We're not ignoring you

UK boss highlights Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy and Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass.

Nintendo has moved to reassure its traditional hardcore fans with the rallying call: "You're still very important to us".

Speaking at a press conference in London this morning, David Yarnton, general manager of Nintendo UK, said: "It's important to know that we're not ignoring the hardcore gamer. They're still very important to us."

Some hardcore Nintendo fans who have grown up playing the Legend of Zelda series and other classic first-party Nintendo titles have expressed their concern at Nintendo's Touch! Generation series, including Dr Kawashima's Brain Training: How Old Is Your Brain? on the DS and upcoming Wii title Wii Fit.

However, Yarnton pointed towards a number of games on both consoles that he said were evidence that Nintendo hasn't forgotten its roots.

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TheMART4871d ago

'Wii're not ignoring you'?

You can say whatever you want. About 7 games scoring on or above 80% in one year is PATHETIC. Although the Wii sells great, the backup seems the same as with the Gamecube.

It almost seems the only games to buy a Wii for will be again those Mario and Zelda games with a few exceptions like Metroid Prime 3. What's there furthermore for the hardcore gamer Nintendo?

Kholinar4871d ago

9 games.

You're right though, it'll be interesting. Three weeks before the 360's anniversary it had 22 titles over 80%. It added ten more in those last days. With the month that's scheduled, Nintendo could have an even bigger gain, making it very close to the 360's first year numbers. Seems impressive to me given that 3rd parties didn't push the wii at all on launch.

What'll be more interesting is the higher ratings. Above 85%, the 360 only had 5 games at this time in their first year. Nintendo has 4. The 360 added 2 more in those last three weeks. Nintendo has at least one guaranteed above 85 and certainly a couple of others that could rank that high.

In the final category, over 90%, the 360 had 1 at this point, and 2 at the one year mark. The Wii has 2, and will have at least 3 by their anniversary.

So you're right. On the low end of the 80% or higher the 360 has the wii beat so far. On the high end it remains to be seen.

(By the way, if anyone would like to see the numbers from metacritic, I've got them in a text file that I'd happily post...)

ItsDubC4871d ago

Post it up dude =) I'm interested in seeing what titles you speak of.

Kholinar4871d ago

:) Sure:

Xbox 360 Nov. 22nd 2005 - Nov 22nd 2006

81-85 (17 in 11 months, 24 in one year)

Perfect Dark Zero - M
Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis
LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy
Saint's Row - M
Football Manager
Condemned: Criminal Origins - M
Hitman: Blood Money - M
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Test Drive Unlimited
Need for Speed Most Wanted
DiRT: Colin McRae Off-Road
Dead Rising - M
Dead or Alive 4 - M
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent - M
Fight Night Round 3
* WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2007
*Tony Hawk's Project 8
*College Hoops 2K7
*Call of Duty 3
*Viva Pinata
*F.E.A.R. - M
*Elder Scrolls IV: Knights of the Nine, The - M

86-89 (2 in 11 months, 3 in one year)
Project Gotham Racing 3
Burnout Revenge
*Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas

90-100 (3 in 11 months, 4 in one year)
Call of Duty 2
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The - M
*Gears of War - M

* Released in last 3 weeks (do not apply to current Wii totals)

Nintendo Wii: Nov. 19th 2006 - October 30th, 2007

Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition - M

86-90 (2)
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

81-85 (5)
Super Paper Mario
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
MLB Power Pros
Madden NFL 07

(likely 80% or above titles in the next 3 weeks)
Fire Emblem®: Radiant Dawn from Nintendo
DanceDanceRevolution Hottest Party from Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.
LEGO® Star Wars™: The Complete Saga from LucasArts
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games™ from SEGA
Super Mario Galaxy™ from Nintendo
MEDAL OF HONOR HEROES™ 2 from Electronic Arts
Link's Crossbow Training™ (packaged with Wii Zapper™) from Nintendo
Trauma Center™: New Blood from Atlus USA
Star Trek: Conquest from Bethesda Softworks
WWE® SmackDown® vs. Raw® 2008 from THQ
Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 from Ubisoft
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 from Ubisoft
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles

TheMART4871d ago

@ Kholinar

Nice addition to my post.
If I may to add on that then:

If you compare the 3 consoles at this point in time (not seen in their years/lifecycle):

Wii - 3 games on or above 90%
PS3 - 2 games on or above 90% (R&C just hit 90% average, Oblivion other)
360 - 10 games on or over 90%

Wii - 9 games on or above 80%
PS3 - about 30 games on or above 80%
360 - about 70 games on or above 80%

Anyone having to choose a library of games can see that the Wii at least isn't on top and Nintendo shouldn't deny the hardcore gamer is not welcome at the Wii now and soonish.

Kholinar4871d ago (Edited 4871d ago )

And that can be clearly boiled down to developers and publishers not jumping on.

Seriously, look at that first year 360 list under 90%. Is there really much that you want?

In the top (90 or above) the wii's fine and in clear competition with the others. For the 80%, like I said, developers haven't even put out decent sports ports/shooter ports up to this point.

It all comes down to preferences. I look at that list 80-100% for the 360 and 2 maybe 3 games interest me. For the playstation3 it's more like 5-6 with LBP really pushing me that direction next year and FF13 obviously being a must have. Whereas most of the top wii titles either interest me or I have them. I have a couple below 80% that are great games as well, but may not appeal to everyone.

This is part of what we have to remember. Review scores averaged across the board are going to reward 1. great, innovative titles at the high end 2. Generic titles that appeal across the general demographic and have implemented correctly. A pseudo-hardcore game of extreme mahjjong that's fabulous for extreme mahjjong enthusiasts is going to get a lower score across the board than a solid, but generic shooter. 10 of the 360's games on the list are rehashed sports franchises or their competitors. 6 or 7 are generic shooters. Only one of the wii's games is comparable to one of those. It's simply the way of things.

That's why an individual gamer has to evaluate their reviewers, reviews and the games themselves before choosing a system.

ItsDubC4870d ago (Edited 4870d ago )

This is a very interesting discussion. The 360 does have an edge in terms of the number of games scoring in the low-to-mid 80s during its first year, and I agree that the Wii likely will not exceed that number of games scoring in the same range by its 1-yr anniversary. On the high-end in its 1st year, I do believe that the 360 will still have the most games in that category compared to the Wii, but again, only by 1 game or so.

This I think is another result of the 360's earlier release. The sales boom from being first to market for the 7th console generation is not the only advantage. I think the high number of quality 360 titles for its 1st year can be attributed to the fact that its main competitor (the PS2) was the leading-yet-underpowered console of the 6th generation.

Now most of the PS2's installbase couldn't care less about console specs, but many of the "hardcore" PS2 owners became 360 early-adopters who were wowed by the amazing graphics and online experience that the new 360 offered. Now I'm not implying that all those games are undeserving of their respective scores, but that the initial "wow" factor offered by the 360 (which was the 1st 7th-generation console) could have only helped the scores of games released on the new platform. Unfortunately for the PS3, which offers a similar experience as the 360, ppl weren't so impressed by its capabilities by the time it came out, and the 360 already had a sizable software library.

As Kholinar mentioned, 3rd-parties underestimated the success of the Wii and many didn't start developing games for the platform until after it was on the market. Now of course Wii development is less expensive and may have been a breeze except for one thing: game developers have gotten used to developing games for d-pad controllers for about two decades. So all of a sudden you have 3rd-party higher-ups breathing down the necks of their developers to get games out in order to take advantage of the Wii's success, and these developers are struggling to learn how to implement a completely new control paradigm. The end result for most wasn't pretty, as can be seen in many low-scoring Wii titles.

So while the 360 obviously had great titles its 1st year (I am still seriously considering the purchase of a Falcon 360 next year), I really don't think the Wii is doing as bad comparatively as many have implied. The Wii software library is growing very fast and at this pace, it will be huge in no time. It seems destined to consist of a healthy mix of quality and not-so-quality titles, much like the PS2 and DS.

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ItsDubC4871d ago (Edited 4871d ago )

I don't think review scores have anything to do w/ whether a title is core or casual-oriented.

Nintendo has so far been releasing a fairly equal number of core and casual titles, but many 3rd-party devs want in on the casual scene too so they bring titles such as EA Playground and Rayman to the platform for which those titles have the greatest potential to sell well. Admittedly, many of these titles aren't so great.

But we shouldn't conveniently forget the slew of upcoming non-casual titles (most of which are 3rd-party). I think the Wii game library will end up very much like the DS's, w/ a healthy mix of core and casual titles at various pricepoints.

PS360WII4871d ago

With this being only the first year it's been out it's expected to have a bunch of okay games. The titles are being made we just need them to finish the product in order for us to enjoy them. A good chuck of real games are coming out in November alone. Wii is getting an RPG, bunch of shooters, adventure games, platformers, and a few more casual titles.

AllroundGamer4871d ago

nowadays you just can't put Nintendo together with such term as hardcore gamer... therefor i sold my Wii already and i am not even thinking about buying a DS...

Fighter4871d ago

Hardcore gamers are on another level compared to the average Wii owner. Most hardcore gamers on the 360 and the PS3 prefer their gaming experience to be the fullest and most complete by playing them in HD with a good sound system.

The Wii can focus their attention on kids and people that don't like their games to be hard and challenging. Plus the kids won't have to use/break the expensive electronics while playing their Wii games.

Nintendo is going to be in a lot of trouble once they realize that most people are switching to HD in 2009 and a lot of the (10 million +) users will be pissed if Nintendo releases a HD version of the underpowered Wii. Don't forget that only Nintendo has good games on the Wii so far.

ItsDubC4871d ago (Edited 4871d ago )

"Most hardcore gamers on the 360 and the PS3 prefer their gaming experience to be the fullest and most complete by playing them in HD with a good sound system."

Doesn't this imply that the potential installbase for those two consoles is largely governed by the sale of HD TVs and high-end theater equipment? If true, that would explain why the Wii's installbase has been growing at such an alarming rate.

"The Wii can focus their attention on kids and people that don't like their games to be hard and challenging."

Does the Wii focus on kids or does it focus on making gaming accessible to ppl of all ages? 56% of Wii-owners in the 1st six months of the console's release were adults. As for hard and challenging, I hope you're not implying that casual games are always easy. Big Brain Academy on the hardest setting is downright harsh.

"Plus the kids won't have to use/break the expensive electronics while playing their Wii games."

The Wii is definitely less expensive compared to its competitors, but $250 is not exactly pocket change.

"Nintendo is going to be in a lot of trouble once they realize that most people are switching to HD in 2009 and a lot of the (10 million +) users will be pissed if Nintendo releases a HD version of the underpowered Wii."

Who said MOST ppl are switchin to HD in 2009? Most ppl where? US federal regulations won't require ppl to buy an HDTV. The Wii is comparatively underpowered because it does not have to render HD. While it may be possible, it wouldn't be feasible to release an HD Wii w/ the exact same specs that it has currently.

Kholinar4871d ago

"Who said MOST ppl are switchin to HD in 2009? Most ppl where? US federal regulations won't require ppl to buy an HDTV."

I'm not sure where this comes from. Anyone with cable/satellite has no incentive to switch. Of those who won't even pay for cable (and are in the lowest income bracket), how many are really going to spend a bunch for a 1080p plasma? There's no incentive at the mo, and they may simply not have the ability. A set-top converter at $50 is still much more attractive if you're hurting than a $300 lcd. People are less and less interested in TV in general anyway.

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