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Gran Turismo 5: This is How You Support a Game

VGCHARTZ writes: "For those unfamiliar, the kind folks at Polyphony Digital have been providing very frequent updates to the game ever since launch. Their update schedule has only faltered during the recent PSN outage, but they got their update online almost immediately after the network came back online. These updates have included an online car dealership, races to qualify for a contest to drive an actual racecar, seasonal events, special challenges, development and car videos, and numerous gameplay tweaks and fixes."

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MinusTheBear4704d ago

Best racing simulator on consoles.

dangert4704d ago

thats your opinion remember...i prefer forza 3 so you can't make believe gt5 is better having played them both through and through myself

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zootang4704d ago

Gran Turismo 5 support is incredible and the online races when not getting shunted is great! Forza 3 on the other hand has widened tracks, which is not considered simulation.

MrDead4704d ago

Forza is a good game but it dosent even get close to the amount of geeky car detail that GT does. GT is as close as you can get to driving without being in a car, the amount of data that is collected on each car is ridiculous, thats why it takes so long to make a GT sim.

StbI9904704d ago

Someone doesnt have a ps3, and trust me when i say u don.t, cus u have been a xbox fan long since ive been reading ur trolling attempts.

sikbeta4704d ago

Gran Turismo is The Real Driving Simulator since the PSX days and no one can change that, GT5 is damn good, no matter the people who don't play it or reviewers who don't like it, GT5 is awesome!

SkittlesLikesPopcorn4704d ago

id consider disagreeing with you dangert but your current disagree count is 69, so i thought id leave it that way.

starchild4704d ago

PS3 fanatics always automatically claim PS3 games are superior. They don't look at things fairly or objectively.

I honestly don't care whether GT5 or Forza 4 is superior. When I have played Forza 4 I will make up my own mind.

Most of the people that frequent this site are horribly biased and their opinion means very little.

It wouldn't matter if a PS3 game had a metascore of 50 and a competing game received universal praise and a 96 meta average, they would still claim the PS3 game is 'far superior'. It's the same old song and dance we have seen hundreds of times before.

Dee_914704d ago

@ Starchild yea if you only think that apply to PS3 fans you should know what that makes you

GarandShooter4704d ago

@ dangert

Update your trophies then, because your GT5 trophies say you haven't played the game through and through and are just talking shit.

Go to trophies, hit triangle and choose sync with server, if for some unknown reason it's not synching itself.

ianblake4704d ago

Agree(13) | Disagree(99) lol u really suck

YodaCracker4704d ago

@ianblake

Really? It seems on this site, the more disagrees you get, the saner you are.

baodeus4704d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

@zootang

"Forza 3 on the other hand has widened tracks, which is not considered simulation."

it may not simulate tracks (although not all track were widened), but how would that reflect to Forza isn't a car simulator?

@truray
"You can't use a numerical measure of subjective opinions to support an ostensibly objective argument. It doesn't make any sense, bro"

If what u said is true, then all of the people opinion about GT is the best sim on this post doesn't mean a dam thing either

Although to clear this up, majority rules can be apply in this case. Even though it is based on opinion, if the majority said the same thing, it can be consider true until proven other wise (majority rules -> definition of FACT number 3). It is also true that GT is a much more popular/well known franchise than Forza (based on the number sold).

Also, For what ever Forza has, they are very solid. Many features of GT are tag on just for the sake of having features, but many aren't polish [80% of the car are craps with no inside view (and for a good reason, I'll be happy to provide youtube video to show u what i ment if you wish), online play weren't even playable and buggy at launch, online bumber car right at launch (they didn't learn a dam thing from GT prologue? They did fix it later, but should it be one of the most important online aspect PD should have implemented right from the get go?), internal damage wasn't even added until later, shadow and weather effects (only available for certain tracks) are freakin pixelated (nothing like the reruns shown on youtube, again i can provide youtube videos to show the differences of videos before GT was launch to actual GT gameplay), very inconsistent track/environement (some are plain PS1 looking)...should i go on? U also exaggerate features like night/weather effects etc...like they have not been done before or something? PD should have focus on just making the premium cars and polish their online from the start, instead of adding all of these features that aren't polish and felt like tag on. Forza got it score because it is pretty solid with every features that they haves (some that GT doesn't have).

@banned nope

"believe me"
so are u a racer, a car mechanic, a person who knows every car inside out, etc....? i mean it would help if you want people to believe u. My interpretation based on your comment was that u are saying that GT back then is still a better simulator than Forza now? I hope u can verify if my interpretation is correct or not.

iWishTifaWasReal4704d ago

DUDE, Forza is not a simulator, tsk tsk

STONEY44704d ago

Something that is not an opinion is that GT5 has better driving physics than Forza 3. More realistic, much funner, each car feels more unique. Even the anti-GT pro-Forza people at GTPlanet will admit this. They're missing the tire stuff (which is huge, *facepalm* at Polyphony), but everything else is far better.

Now the negatives... I really feel like Sony forced them to rush the game out. There were even features in the manual that were either patched later or never in the game (course creator point to point tracks), courses that were shown in trailer but not in the game, ect. But now they are likely working on GT6. They've learned their mistakes, and their updates to GT5 show it. Even with the Japan disasters and PSN troubles.

badz1494704d ago

played both through and through? I don't believe anyone has played GT5 through and through! nice attempt at trolling though! but you can only lie so much on the internet nowadays! your trophies say otherwise! you don't even play that much of other games on PS3, let alone GT5 lol!

baodeus4703d ago

with 4 disagree, but no counter argument? Anyone care to prove what i said about GT5 is wrong then?

and any answer to why widen track also mean Forza isn't a car simulator?

I actually don't care about disagree, most pointless feature on n4g = fact, i only care if someone can give me an interesting non bias debate/answer then i'll be quite happy.

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sinncross4704d ago

i love the new interupt feature for the CHampions events.
Finally gotten around to finishing off the B Spec FGT championship as of writing this.

I hope this means that savign during endurance races is coming!

FAGOL4704d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

OMG that FGT championship was EPIC. On the Suzuka track I went in with Soft tyres thinking it would be just a drizzle. How wrong I was. It was a bloody storm. Even the A.I. drivers had Hard tyres on. It was hilarious going around the 1st lap at 20mph.

My driver had trouble with the wet tyres and ended up last. UNTIL the rain stopped! With only less than 12 laps to go he went into elite mode and came 1st. It was like watching a epic F1 race.

Spitfire_Riggz4704d ago

Yeah I was really hoping for saving overall in any race to make endurance races better. Lets hope it comes soon

sikbeta4704d ago

Best way to help your B-Spec driver is buying soft to medium tyres depending on race limitations and it's better to have drivers with "hot" personality, they're better for overtaking and can handle more pressure, but after they achieve the first position, their pace goes down and they begin to drive slow, so be sure to make them maintain their pace (green arrow) and that's all...

DavidMacDougall4704d ago

Yeah i'm running it right now and i have Infamous 2 still in its wrapping lol

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Kon4704d ago

It's your opinion of course. Because we all know what is the definitive one, either in scores or in gameplay

kikizoo4704d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

Poor delusional donkeytroll without the best console and exclusives...you know like everyone else that you can't compare scores from different years, and most of all scores of differents and inferiors consoles...

and don't forget GT5 biased scores (blogs, and biased sites not really playing enough to judge...and before the first huge patches)

banned_nope4704d ago

forza is somehow a good racer but to compare it to gran turismo is just ridiculous. believe me, i am gaming since gt1 and tried forza 1. i am shocked that some people are putting it in the same name as gt. i tried forza 3 as well, and boy i swear it is still way far before the team of turn 10 will reach what gran turismo has reached in terms of realism and enjoyment.

the_kutaragi_baka4704d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

Best racing simulator on consoles. "

i agree here... ;)

anyway, hey people watch out you bubbles , the retard mods is on rage against PS3 owners here in this site.

trollpolice4704d ago (Edited 4704d ago )

Forza 2 - 91% Metacritic
Fora 3 - 92% Metacritic

the lol dissapointment of a racergame - 84% metacritic which has 500+ PS2 cars.

(no name mentioned dont get butt hurt, and try justify a game that is not that great to todays standards set by forza, you make yourself look like a joke. )

Tru_Ray4704d ago

Metacritic average does not mean a damn thing. What were the expectations for the Forza games when they were released? They were certainly lower than the expectations for GT5.

You can't use a numerical measure of subjective opinions to support an ostensibly objective argument. It doesn't make any sense, bro.

Forza has less cars, less features, runs at a lower resolution, is less realistic, less cars on screen during a race, no dynamic weather, and is somehow superior because the jaded gaming media says so?

Okay...

ShadowJetX4704d ago

Nice bubble bro.

(I would mention why you have it, but I'm infinitely more classy than that)

Eu4704d ago

Metacritic...where most of the sites that put their scores never even played 10 hours of the game...yeah...try again troll.

MrDead4704d ago

@trollpolice

And thats where it shows you have no idea what your talking about, Forza is a racergame GT is a sim, not for everyone but infinitely deeper and more satisfying to car fans.

You cant say one is better then the other because they are aimed at a different audience

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zeddy4704d ago

oops! i already traded it in but if they improve the AI i'd buy it back.

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lazertroy4704d ago

I feel like playing some Nascar. Even though I always get booted lol.

SLLCKGT4704d ago

Ya me too. Apparently no one has seen Days of Thunder. He didn't hit ya, he rubbed ya, and rubbin son is racing.

dinkeldinkse4704d ago

I won Daytona for the NASCAR series. It's amazing how helpful watching NASCAR for the last 14 years has been.

LilDeja934704d ago

As I said before on a GT5 article. Thanks Polyphony for all your support and effort towards this stellar game.

BTW for all those reading this please check my review on GT5 on the main page of this site.

Gran Touring4704d ago

Great review I just read it. I left a few comments about it on your page

Emilio_Estevez4704d ago

They make an excellent point that is fairly obvious. To combat used sales you need to make a game that no one wants to trade in. And in all honestly, this game takes a long time to "finish" and even longer to platinum. Then you throw in updates that come fairly regularly and it's a recipe for long term success.

creeping judas4704d ago

As much as I enjoy the tweaks and fixes from PD, I sure would love to see some new tracks.

Dee_914704d ago

Yea same here
I was hoping they would announce DLC @ E3
but who knows .. Kaz said that the older tracks like midfield raceway and seattle circuit would be easy to implement in the game .. so i hope they are currently working on them and have DLC later this Year

. And they already confirmed they are making some of the standards Premiums but I dont know if the PSN down time delayed it

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Ar Tonelico Qoga: Knell Of Ar Ciel Retro Review – Love Conquers All

Gary Green said: You’ll be forgiven if you haven’t heard of the Ar Tonelico trilogy. The previous two games arrived so late in the PS2’s life-cycle that they simply went unnoticed. While most were tinkering with their shiny new PS3s, Ar Tonelico: Melody of Elemia and Ar Tonelico II: Melody of Metafalica were being ‘returned to sender’ by your local Game stores. Luckily, you won’t need to have played them to understand and appreciate this third and final chapter, Qoga (pronounced k-yoga) tells the story of a racial war between humans and Reyvateils, a breed of biologically produced female cyborgs capable of reproduction, while still having a digital mind.

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Giga_Gaia3h ago

Oh my god. I kinda wish this would get a remaster on PS5, it would be awesome. One of my favorite games on PS3.

That and 3D Dot Game Heroes. It's a shame that some stuff is stuck on PS3.

Knightofelemia1h ago

Ar Tonelico 3 is good I still prefer the first AT game. The music is solid in all the games and Akiko Shikata is a very talented singer bringing life to the game. Only annoying part is well I find is Saki I always choose Finnel or Tyria. KOEI so needs to HD remaster the franchise along with Ar Nosurge and Ciel Nosurge since it never came to North America. I would day one the Ar Toneliceo games and Ar Nosurge if they were remastered.

TheColbertinator20m ago

I still have the limited edition of Qoga unopened. Unfortunately it never went up in value like I had hoped all these years.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 6h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle17h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188114h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio14h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning779h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga17h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv723h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

shinoff218316h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga15h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan11h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit3h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus239h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv729h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

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purple10119h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos19h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-9h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac18h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10118h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic16h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead9h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Why Monopolies In Gaming Must Not Be Allowed

As of right now, there are no monopolies in the games industry, and for the sake of the medium as a whole, they never should either.

thorstein1d 5h ago

Shouldn't be allowed in any field.

Inverno1d 1h ago

And yet the biggest tech companies in America are essentially that. They buy up all the small comps only to kill them off and steal what they have, and if they can't buy em they bleed them to death.

jwillj2k41d ago

Eventually they’ll realize the value is with the employee not the company. Buying an IP means nothing if the people who contributed are let go. They’ll get it one day.

MrCrimson23h ago

tech is different because they buy threats and then kill them. Twitter bought Vine and did nothing with it. Despite people seemingly liking it. Could've had tiktok a decade before bytedance. go figure.

Zenzuu1d ago

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed regardless. Not just for gaming.

MrCrimson23h ago

They buy IPs not talent. That's why these buyouts never work and the IPs die. Right now it's too expensive to develop games - but I expect that to shift maybe as AI tools can make it easier. The best games have been indie games for awhile as big developers fuck their ips to death with "games as a service" -