360 Magazine’s Deputy Editor laments Microsoft’s focus on the casual market...
One of there problem was most of there stuff was already leaked but the major problem was they thought that Halo 4 and showing Kinect used in games like Ghost Recon (which by the way seems a little expensive just to strip a rifle apart and very gimmicky) would satisfy the fans. It hasn't. They still have not come up with a hardcore title for the Kinect
... but while I don't know exactly what 'hardcore' does mean, I know this kind of implementation isn't it. We just want good games we can enjoy with a controller, instead of standing around like a monkey at the zoo in front of our TV. This was absolutely horrible.
The gameplay for Ghost Recon with Kinect looked horrible, but I actually kinda liked the gun stripping thing. Only thing that annoyed me was that the voice controls could easily be done with a standard microphone, but they seem to be implementing the good voice controls through Kinect only. Meaning they will force you to buy a camera, for a function that only requires a microphone. Still not going to get Kinect, no matter how good the ME3 integration looked.
... when you buy Ghost Recon, how much time do you plan to spend on stripping your gun with Kinect!? You'll just want to sit down and start your missions and play the game. It's a waste of development-effort and money.
@ gaffyh, the confirmed that voice control can be done without Kinect if I'm not mistaken.
Overall... I am not impressed with MS' E3! RYSE could be the hardcore game Kinect needs, but I have no intention to buy it! I thought I would be excited for a Halo remake, but i'm not. Halo 4 either. Gears 3, Forza 4 are the only MS titles worth looking at. Otherwise, it will be like every other year and i'll buy more 3rd party games than anything. So on 360 i'll get Gears 3 and Forza 4. And on Ps3 i'll get Uncharted 3 and Twisted Metal. One thing that pissed me off was nothing from Rare again! Yeah they announced their f*ckin Kinect game, but for the amount of money MS paid for them, they should be pissing games out left and right! Kinect games aren't that hard to make! They could have one done every 4 months. These f*ckers better be building for the next console while we wait!
... I LOVED the first Forza on my old Xbox. Then came Forza 2, which was basically Forza HD or Forza 1.5, and missing the nice Japanese PTP level. Forza 3 again looked a bit better, played a bit better, yet once again the focus was on more cars with more polygons, and it lacked enough new original tracks. ... and it seems Forza 4 won't have a huge amount of new fun original tracks either, so once again we'll be racing on the same old tracks AGAINNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnn.... ... and quite frankly, that's getting pretty damn boring. I really don't care about a racing game having a billion stunningly crafted cars. I care about the tracks I race on and how fun they are and how gorgeous they look! Forza 4 needs to have a lot more new and fun environments to race through to get me interested in it again. Or include your own track-creator or something. Oh, and the announcement of 'monthly expansions' (read; DLC-milking) already means I won't be getting it!
@Tachyon - If true, then that's great, I'll have another reason not to get Kinect. The only reason I assumed it was Kinect only was because they kept calling it "Kinect Voice" in the conference.
And some idiots think that saying OPEN DOOR , CLOSE DOOR is hardcore! WTF?!
Guys, stop it already, MS goes for the money and kinect was made for that, there is no way, they'd ditch the possibility of showing stuff and hell lot of support for it...
It was Sony's worst yet too.
Its nice that Sony knows when they messed up though. Jack threw some jokes around regarding Ridge Racer back in 2006, and Kaz knocked on Jacks awful tie, good times. It was definitely not their worst, your just trolling. It was not quite as good as last year though, having Gabe Newell, Twisted Metal, and Kevin Butler in it. But the perfect Vita price was a real treat, Bioshock on Vita, and Infinite with Move support. The Uncharted 3 cruise level was mind blowing on all levels. It was a good conference man.
HA! Tell you what. You sound like one of the demographics MS is now focusing on and ill give you a clue....its NOT the soccer moms. Show core games more than casual and 360 magazine wouldn't need to be asking this question. I heard somebody likening Kinects support to that of a cancer....Personally i wouldnt put my mouth on that but MS's support for kinect is a step in the right direction...IF ONLY MS showed this much vigor towards what their foundation wanted. Sony also had a lot of move and 3d being uttered in every sentence but guess what....the games keep coming. NO 6+ months gaps without a full retail title dropping. Next year looks like its gunna be the year of the Kinect NOT the year of the 360.....OH, Trettons tie and jacket were awful
Nah Sony's E3 2006 was a disaster.
I completely agree with this article from a to z. Nothing more to add.
. Kinect was always meant to be a casual device. At best, it should be used to add to the experience...not replace it, and it's in this area where Kinect will excel with head tracking, voice control...etc. I thought the press conference was quite good. MW3 was expected and blew everyone away with fantastic, Hollywood like blockbuster action. Tomb Raider made Indiana drake look like a romance novel with gritty game play and a deep, dark story that shocked everyone. Gears of course look great. The Halo announcement was expected but fantastic non the less and Halo 4 looked crazy and over the top....then the Kinect stuff started... I didn't like the length of the Kinect showing but they had to show the casual market ( Families and girlfriends ) that it would be nice to pick up a Kinect camera/sensor ( and a 360 ) this holiday and in this area it worked. Now, there was a lot of information missing from that press conference. I went to the washroom and made some lunch so a I may of missed it but where was all the skype news, new windows 8 is coming in 2012 and no information on many other games that will be coming like Alan wake, Steel Battalion, mechassault...why not??? M$ is keeping it's cards very close to their chest and I still believe you will see Halo 4 on a new console holiday 2012 with windows 8 and everything else M$ is working on like skype. They will want to right there and they don't want Sony or Nintendo to have a chance to respond. Btw...I agree with the article in parts. The casual focus was far too deep and not announcing at least 1 new IP for the hardcore in 2012 is tough to swallow but like I said earlier...2012 will hold many surprises...remember, they announced the 360 S at E3 last year and it was available right away...same thing here...watch and see. So far for me...Far Cry 3 owned the show. Loved all the games but this one will be GOTY material, just like the first one which is obviously the big influence, both in story and game play. Can't wait to see Nintendo press conference today.
"Kinect was always meant to be a casual device. At best, it should be used to add to the experience...not replace it, and it's in this area where Kinect will excel with head tracking, voice control...etc." Be honest and be serious. You're only saying that because what was shown at E3 for the "core" Kinect games was completely and utterly underwhelming, unsatisfactory, and not showing the epic potential you thought they would. They've let people down on that front. You were one of the people championing the list of core games on Kinect so don't pretend you weren't. Kinect will excel in head-tracking and voice-control? Are you for real? Features that can be easily peformed with $10 headsets and even the outdated PS Eye that doesn't cost you $150. My word, Microsoft has got you. "2012 will hold many surprises...watch and see." - Bu-bu-bu-but wait and see. Microsoft will blow you away! LOL
By far the most dissatisfying xbox E3 show
I hate Kinect its a gimmick just like Move and the Wii. I want better graphics, physics, and a.i. played with a traditional controller. I am a core gamer and they are feeding us casual shovelware. Its all about the graphics and Microsoft Sony and Nintendo need to take notice. Its always been about the graphics since the NES, Turbo grafix-16 and Playstation. We want graphics not some half assed motion control.
I think one of the main problems was that out of all the games they showed only one (if I'm not mistaken) featured no form of Kinect, which was Gears of War 3.
ironic considering Cliffy's words about kinect.
What, that he doesn't want to add a tacked-on feature to his game? ... no, no it's not ironic.
looks like nintendo will win again
Nintendo only won last year for zelda fans. If you were not a zelda fan then they were bad. I am not a zelda fan so they were no where near the best last year. For me it was either EA or sony last year.
Nintendo always wins IMO because they innovate. Sure some fanboys will give it to Sony for ripping off the DS features for their portable but copying doesnt get a win. Same reason Sony didnt win by showing off Move. I'd be shocked if Sony ever came up with anything on their own. Hell they suck so bad at controllers they are still using the design they made with Nintendo 3 gens ago and the only new controller was a direct copy of the Wii controller.
They innovate? Kinda how they innovate the same franchises over and over again? Or how about how they innovated shovelware games that feature the same exact controls with a different skin? Or did you mean how they stepped up and introduced the world to standard definition graphics?
Shouldnt you be drooling over the 3rd Uncharted in as many years? Your second point is jsut cokpletely stupid. They all use the exact same controller so of course they'll use the exact same controls. How is that even a valid point? So what 360/PS3 games are the analog stick controls switched? How is that a good thing? I get use to WASD to move, Mouse to look on PC and I hate when games do not have that set as default for controls. Gotta stop now. The Nintendo conference is starting and I want to see what Sony will be copying in the next few years. Peace out.
Wow I'm shocked a 360 magazine actually came out with an article like this. I guess being a journalist gaming fanatic and working exclusively for the 360 must be very depressing and they can only take so much more. It's sad that it won't effect this generation but fingers crossed it will cost Microsoft next generation and they'll be left to ponder their mistakes. Great article actually and couldn't agree more especially with the ending. Best gaming year ever for eight year old girls!
We're independent and we (360 Magazine) speak our minds no matter what. We're not robots ;)
have to admit, the mag is actually better than the offical one, no bull and no hyping s..t.
... but I certainly wouldn't want them to fail in the consolemarket. If you want great games and affordable prices, you need big companies like Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony all having to compete with each other so'll they be forced to bring their A-game to the table. Something Microsoft right now is absolutely failing to do, because they're still hoping Kinect will be a huge success, which it might be to a new audience, but the gamers are having none of it.
i dont want them to fail either, but what i do want is games, so far all i want is gears and forza, halo im not the biggest fan of, same with any fps really, so that leaves me with very little to play other than multis, which i buy on ps3, especialy as you get extras with the ps3 versions lately
Wow fanboy comment much? It's sad how you're almost beckoning MS and the 360 to fail.
It was so bad i'd hold mediocrity to a higher standard.
Basically, the motion control parts of either MS and Soby are always laughable, it's just that MS focussed on kinect for the majority of it. It's a peripheral, it shouldn't take centre stage, but that's their big push now so I won't expect anything different in the future. Nintendos show to loss that's for sure.
I don't own any Nintendo products and I think their show will do pretty good. (I may take that back after seeing their new controller in action)
It was sooo bad i decided to quit watching it and left my 6yr old nephew to it. He loved it. Glad i got my ps3.
Who wrote this I believe he will be dead or fire at least . But come on that not Microsoft conference that was kinect conference . Very normal and excepted and touching bad level. Sorry.
That was a lesson in spelling and grammar for the history books.
That was my worst comment yet, Loool. Was it that bad ?? Hahahaha Simply it medicore conference.
i.......cant.........com pre hen....*keels over*
pretty sad for 360 fanbois. but i heard they love disney and justin beiber. so it's fine. for them.
I sat down to watch it pretty hyped. But oh my God I was so so so dissapointed. The minecraft announcement made me think ok this could be good but upon reflection I'd prefer with a keyboard and mouse still. Now I'm not a gears fan so that didn't bother me, Would of loved some gameplay from forza but no just more CG.... BUT then those words a new trilogy I sat waiting thinking "a new IP?!?!?!" No.... more Halo. Its not that I dislike halo but would of been nice to see something fresh.. Oh well there's always next year....
I've played Forza 4 extensively, and one thing I can tell you is that nothing in that demo they showed at the conference was CG. It was ALL gameplay. We have the world exclusive on Forza 4, behind the scenes in our latest issue; here: http://www.360magazine.co.u...
Then I shall humberly await its release as I enjoy forza as much as I do GT. :)
Will it get G25/G27 support? There's no point in releasing an upgraded version every two years if half the wheel owning gamer's can't play it.
It's like the author is reading my mind...
Yeah it was very awful IMO. I like gears and halo but xbox needs something new and kinect games for children isn't it. I play most multi plat games on my PC so pretty much gears 3 and a halo 1 remake will be the only games Im going to be playing for the next year and a half on my xbox.... :( which just sucks and makes it hard to even keep paying for an xbl live gold account.
Neither of the halo titles are using kinect. I do think this article hit it dead on. Kinect and move would be ok for casuals and th wii proved it can be done but the gaming industry as a whole is moving away from motion controls and I know ms knows this but they will loose too much to can it so they are investing more and trying to force it on us. Ms will ned t wake up soon or buy more studios or games and start taking care of the controller market as I said the future is there and they stand to loose big with this as kinect was not necessary and in then end will endup a forgoten mess writeen off and pising off shareholders and keeping ms from ging foward as they need to. Just my opinion. Sony is supporting both and has the studios to do it so if the go down with move it won't be the billions ms will loose but the future is not kinect or move and someone is goling to loose big and if anyone buys these on rail games that are core franchises it will be embarrasing.
Do you know that Halo 4 won't use Kinect? Unless it's been confirmed somewhere and I haven't seen it, I'm willing to bet it will have some form of Kinect support.
Microsoft treats you like a bunch of 3year old children,.. There is a lot of kiddy ass shit in Nintendo's camp,.. but even nintendo aims at at least teen market and not infants,.. Elmo and Micky mouse,.. that is what you apparently want and need according to MS,.. I am sure you will get teletubies next,.. So you can dance in front of tv's like a bunch of retards,.,. I actually felt sorry for presenters (I know they are paid actors,.. but that shit was downright degrading) I actually felt intellectually offended 20minutes into preso or even sooner))
Perhaps you are seeing what you want to see. -Death
Don't worry MS & Sony conference kinda sucked! It they had them I would Buy an EA & Ubisoft console..
An EA console? Ew.
we should stop to log into xbl ..or just dont turn on the xbox for 2 week...we should do something a sort of strike to make understand microsoft that we want CORE GAMES..without kinect..or at least that u can use for a different type of gameplay..like the move in virtua tennis...killzone ecc ecc (that with move is unplayble but anyway!)...IM HATING U FOR THIS E3 microsoft....
MS's show was good until they show kinect exclusives. Sonys show was started slow, the got really good, then slowed down the got good at then end.
Uncharted 3 was "slow"yeah,right!
Man that's actually a good idea. We gamers should create like some kind of facebook group or event and gather millions in it to show MS enough with this BS.
i dont care..i dont need to compare the shows ..i would see what i must expect from my console in the next year..and im seeing well ok forza 4 that is great.....and all the other things that we already know will come ...all the new ip r just for childrens...when on ps3 there r stuff didnt showed at e3 like last guardian..agent........we was waiting to see what could be this new game from crytek thinkin "ok this MUST be a CORE game!..one for us..the base of the xbox"...and what it was...a on rail movie with some stupid movements in front of the tv?..cmon..star wars?!?!?..im got both consoles..but on here as u seen i always defend the xbox..and microsoft..but this time..they just pissed out from the vase........no one should shame it @superlupe...im with u...vincenzo greco (italy, agrigento) on fb
I haven't seen much I've liked at E3 this year. So far the only trailers I've thought wereany good are: Deus Ex CG trailer Hitman: Absolution CG trailer Assassin's Creed Revelation CG trailer Need for Speed: The Run As you see a bit of a trend there, almost all CG trailers. I was not impressed at all by Battlefield 3. The tank mission was long winded for no real reason, plus the more I see the less I think of the graphics. Lighting in city environment looks well fake. BF3 multiplayer footage was a waste of 49 seconds of my life, you couldn't see what was going on at all. Dead Island continues to look pathetic, sub 5/10 if you ask me. Driver San Francisco looked alright but the trailer was annoying. FF XIII-2 CG trailer was one of the worst trailers from Square ever. Mass Effect 3 looked good but boring, Skyrim looked good but boring, MW3 looked good but more of the same. Dust 514 looked interesting but unoriginal, certainly doesn't look AAA quality. I could go on but I can't be bothered. Vita looked good on the plus side, and PS3's 3D TV sounds awesome and super affordable even if it is a small screen.
So what exactly is your idea of a good game then?
The Microsoft's show was awfull, and looking back to how hyped i was for this i feel really stupid and deceived. The show started really well with Modern Warfare 3(didn't expect to like it as much, dammit Infinity Ward..), Tomb Raider(really cool didn't expect that) and Gears of War 3(which was AMAZING, thank GOD for Epic if not for them Kinectimals 2 would have been presented instead) and Forza 4 so far so good from that point on the amount of kinect time was really disturbing. 45 minutes of kinect??? I don't have anything against kinect(I own one and love it) but i was waiting for something new for it like Rise of Nightmares or Draco or Steel Batalion and why oooo why was Ryse not presented??? Istead we got to se the same crap kind of kinect promoting we saw last year or even worst...(the football scene from Kinect Sports 2 was HILARIOUS many gifs incoming!!!) Also Halo CE Remake not being showcased... Come on!!! I am a Halo fan and was at least hoping for that. WTF??? Halo 4 was AWESOME announcement but was leaked some hours earlier. Overall very weak press conference, i would argue this was the worst i have seen in recent years from Microsoft even worst than last years(mainly due to the expectations everyone had). It started strong and ended awfull(except the last minute teaser of course...) Also Sonys press conference was aufull also! Only Uncharted 3 and Resistance 3 being something worthy and then Vita. I was hoping for Battlefield 3 presentation. EA's conference was by far the worst in recent times especially considering the amount of content they had to show. Where was Battlefield being shown on freaking consoles? Why is there a 10 minute walkthrough of tank gameplay??? Sure it looked near photorealistic but with the game being showcased on a 2000$ PC it was obvious it would look that good. Thank GOD Ubisoft's conference was entertaining and had CRAZY presentations. Far Cry 3 ROCKED and Assassins Creed was AMAZING! Now it's left to Nintendo to show us their next console and i sure as hell hope they do a better job than the others with theis presentation.
I watched both Sony's and Microsoft's yesterday. Neither was bad, but I didnt see any OMG moments. MS had alot of Kinect talk and Sony was pushing 3D at about the same level. Actually that new 3D monitor that allows full screen spilt screen was the coolest thing I saw yesterday. Unfortunatley im not sold on 3D. After seeing a few of the newest movies in 3D at the theater (like Pirates of the Caribbean), Im not taken away by it.
i'm not that impressed with E3 yet hope nintendo can change that
kinect is like Justin bieber. A success for NO reason it sucks. Ms should have shown footage of halo ce remake, forza 4 and halo 4 that would have made their conference a LITTLE more interesting instead they decided to focus on kinect. DAMN! why didn't they invest their money in making another lost odyessy, blue dragon, killer instinct, jade empire, project Gotham racing, banjo kazooie, perfect dark ,kameo or alan wake. these guys actually have IPs(like I just stated above) SO THERE IS NO REASON FOR HALO EVERY YEAR!!(fable fails by the way lost odyessy was a WAY better rpg) not saying its bad just saying that Microsoft can do MUCH better they already have ips they just refuse to use them.
kinect is a kids toy. M$ should have known that only hardcore gamers watch E3.
I agree and that what I don't get. Why have a long kinetic presentation in front of an audience who most likely not interested. That like presenting a Justin Bieber comic at comic-con. (I better shut up before I give someone any ideas.)
Happens to us every year guys, we expect this awesome show.. Just to be disappointed by our own expectations
I agree, still excited for new halo games and gears though. That's my bread and butter.