Game on: Console makers in three-way shoot-out

The Independent provides an analysis on the current situation of the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and the Wii as they prepare for Christmas.

"As the Chistmas season approaches Nintendo has been winning market share from rivals Sony and Microsoft by targeting consumers outside the hard-core market."

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Wii has the hardware (inovation), the 360 has the software (great games) and the PS3 has some movies (and unfullfilled promises).

[The Swordsman]

The Wii also has a library made up of absolutely terrible exclusives while the Xbox 360 has reliability issues.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Thats why I wrote Wii "hardware" and 360 "software" the rest was just to piss you off.

[ruibing]

I wouldn't call the Wii a great hardware innovation, it is more of an innovation of the interface, like the iPod's click wheel versus its competitions.

As for the 360, I think they just had a good development plan in bringing the console a year ahead of everyone else and immediately killing the Xbox in order to increase demand for the 360. They obviously knew they needed to have a head start and got it.

And as for the PS3, I see what you did by giving away the hardware and software so the PS3 has nothing left. The PS3's best features are also its biggest hindrance as including HDD, Blu Ray, and wireless on every PS3 gave it the same amount of feature on every system but also increased its cost. Their goal of creating a system that will last ten years drove them to use the Cell processor, but it also inadvertently gave their system the biggest learning curve of all the next gen systems. But the good news is that the Blu Ray is starting to pay off in both the console and format war as organic dye is soon to make mass production cheap and second generation burners are already on the market. The Cell processor makes it difficult to start with but as their development tools improve and each developer makes a single game for the PS3, it will become easier to make more. Insominac games was able to produce Ratch & Clank much faster than Resistance thanks to the experience they got from Resistance. I suspect this trend to follow as each developer gains more experience with creating various engines for the PS3 and develop more efficient codes. Sony was very good to its PS2 owners by not killing it off but it also reduced the demand in the first year for the PS3, so its hard to say if it was a good decision. We'll know by next year.

[Game Crazy]

They all have thier flaws. All 3 consoles brings something to the table that thier competitors dont. All 3 will be successful. All 3 consoles will have exclusive games that I want to play. It's definetly a 3 horse race. The only console I dont have is a Wii and I am getting that before the end of the year. I say we should let the games decide who has the best console.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

The 360 isnt realy innovative at all unless you count Live, it just has great games. One thing that is obvious about the PS3 is it's reliable, a big change from the PS2 wich wasn't. The Wii is very innovative, just wish the games were.

[PimpHandHappy]

you must be a little chump kid because anyone that writes something just to piss ppl off is a complete and total doosh bag. Im guessing ur 17 and around 300pounds. Im guessing u suck at all the games u play on your 360 and that leads to these issues of tring to make others mad.

Welcome to my ignore list kid

[P1MPDADDY]

I think thier are a bunch of oversensitive b*tches on this site. You need a tissue PimpHandHappy? Then you go on to show just how much better your are by insulting him personally. Real great. Oh whats next? Start a conspiracy to take away his bubbles like you did mine?

Edit: I saw you post in another article about how all the users on this site should take away my bubbles. Its funny how you used to act like my friend when I owned a PS3, then the minute I trade it in for a 360 you turned on me. Beleive me I have the PM's to prove it. Your the only with the name "Pimp" on this website with an agenda. It would be one thing for you to stick up for the PS3 but you needlessly bash the 360 too. I owned both consoles so my opinion would carry more weight than yours ever would. It's called hands on experience. Bubbles or not. I could care less if what I say offends others I live in the USA and I am entitled to freedom of speech. This site is infested with Sony fanb*tches that get their feelings hurt and band together to take away bubbles. The bubble system is a joke.

Oh and BTW I dont hide behind some avatar claiming Pimp status. I happen to be proud of how I look. Are you? Whats the real reason you make fun of people. Is there some insecurity your making up for, are you jealous of the way other people look? Maybe you suffer from impotence, or your gay? Who knows. Did somebody pick on you in school, maybe you didnt get enough hugs from your parents. Maybe your actually a woman, or a sex change went bad??? Am I close???

Your a joke. Just another laptop warrior who flings insults and trys to harm others while hiding behind your keyboard and mouse in the comfort of your own home. It's amazing how inscure PS3 fanboys are and how easy it is to get you guys angry. It's just a f*cking videogames console. Relax. Dont hurt yourself over there.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Pu$$y stand and fight like a man and not like a whining PS3 schoolgirl who just pi$$ed her panties.

Edit: Pimp I don't understand why you only have 1, I have 81 Droid ignores and you have 35 but I have 5 bubbles and you have 1 and i'm mean as hell to the Droids.

[DeckUKold]

bubbles for what you said and cause u definitely need it lol

[Quickstrike]

reason to get a PS3:
A) The games that has yet to be released
B) no breakdowns
C) Blu-ray
Reason not to get a PS3:
A) The few games that are out are mediocer 2 avg
B) there are just 3-5 games that are nearly perfect
C) most ports from 360 are horrible

Reason to get a 360:
A) Halo
B) lots of games
C) Great online
Reason not to get a 360:
A) Red Ring of Death
B) seriously there are a lot of games but Halo out does them all
C) Online that you have to pay for

Reasons to get a Wii:
A) Cheapest of the 3
B) Lots of inovative games
C) Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Reasons not to get a Wii:
A) the fun will wear off
B) It can wear you out
C) low quality graphics

[PimpHandHappy]

DELL=Bubbles

sorry u feel its my fault u cant share a opinion without sounding like a tool. Maybe its ur avitar thats makes me think ur a meathead taint licker. Maybe its ur lack of nuts that makes u feel a need to walk around in a wife beater t-shirt. Maybe you think you can kick everyones butt on this site and you want to prove it via flex out.

maybe maybe maybe

maybe you lost your bubbles because you dont bring anything to the table when you speak.

When i speak here i try not to make ppl mad. I try to give my opinion without bashing the others. The only thing i rant, you might say flame on, is RROD and how these 360ppl can tell us the PS3 is junk. I think the lack of good games is overplayed on the PS3 also. I have alot of good games and there is alot more coming in the next 6months.

Im not here to defend one system per say. I just know what i surport and one of the things i surport is the sharing of opinions and ideas

[PimpHandHappy]

i also rant on ppl that use my name

ADD ON PIMPSLAP: Nah dude im good. I wasnt the kid that got picked on. I played all the sports and im good with my look. I could stand to lose a few 4sure. I danced in the middle of a Lamb of God mosh pit for a full hour and if i was in bad shape i would have never been able.

I have a myspace with pics and if i thought of you as a cool gamer i might have sent u the link.

What you are is the typical meathead. It rings true in the tone of your comments and the tone of your response.

[IdontTakeSides]

LOL...guys this isn't the place for showing ur affection for each other OKAY..!! ne ways

the Wii is doing great bcuz of it's price and nothing else..the Wii mote is kinda innovative but motion controls have been around way back when..

The 360 has well a huge software library but out of all those games how many are that great..a few but nothing to brag about...and it has the worst hardware design of all 3 systems...

The PS3..has alot of great games....and the best exclusives...best Hardware in general...price isn't really a prob these days..ohh yeah it actually has innovative games unlike the Wii so far..!!

[Rooftrellen]

Ok, what does the PS3 have that wasn't around way back when. Bluray? Nope, optical discs have been around for a heck of a long time. Sure it can hold more than a CD, but the Wii controller can do more than motion controls as they stood way back when...

Do you use an analog stick to play games? How about the L and R shoulder buttons? Does your controller have a D pad? All of these are things that were not new (analog stick was around well before 1996, buttons have been on video games from the very start, and the D pad was seen as a gimmick, but not new) when Nintendo did them, but they took old things and applied them in new ways or improved upon them and made them standard in the industry.

It's not always about making something totally new, but, sometimes, taking something as old as a button and putting it in a new place can be revolutionary!

Innovation is very rarely making the light. Innovation is figuring how how to make the lightbulb give you the light.

As for games and innovation. I haven't seen anything I would call innovative except Lair. Nintendo, however, has done a lot of innovating with its games. As in the last example, innovation very rarely making the FPS. Innovation is giving it the best control scheme to date. Nintendo isn't making a lot of new genres, but they are innovating by improving the ones that exist, but don't be confused, because it is still innovation.

While we're talking about innovation, I had posted something not long ago that many people agreed with. It seems that next year, so far, the Wii has about 11 must haves, while the PS3 has 10. If I recall, 6 of those Wii titles are NOT remakes or sequals, while 9 of those for the PS3 ARE remakes or sequals.

Innovation...

[IdontTakeSides]

HMM so ur saying that the Wii is only innovative bcuz it has a wand like controller that you wave around in the air like ur having a Fitz...well the PS3 hardware is very innovative kk....considering what's packed in the other 2 consoles...

The PS3 is not the Xbox 360 our best games aren't FPS..kk nor do they make up 90% of our game libraries..

"Nintendo isn't making a lot of new genres, but they are innovating by improving the ones that exist, but don't be confused, because it is still innovation."

So ur basically saying that it's okay for Nintendo to improve upon there game franchise...but it will still be innovating...But if Sony improves upon it's proven franchise it's not innovation??...Hypocrite..!!

BTW you shouldn't use words such as remakes.."Sequels".. MGS..FF..KZ..GT..those games are Franchises ok..so what they are still new games..with different concepts ..story..so how many orginal games have Nintendo released sinced the Wii launched copared to how many have been released on the PS3..?..have fun the ur min-games dude...

.. Eye of Judgement..ring a bell...
the PS Eye..? Motorstorm was the first console racer to have real time deformation of tracks....resistance..did 40 player online lag free..

Now Im not bashing the Wii...props to Nintendo for trying sumthing new..but the Wii doesn't have that many innovative games out...3rd party publishers uses the control in ways to like they are actually trying to make it look like a gimmick...Can Nintendo alone save the Wii..we'll see...it didn't work for the Gamecube...but of course the Wii won't follow in the GC footsteps sales wise..but if ppl aren't really buying the software..what's the sense..!!

[PimpHandHappy]

Shame pimpdaddy cant show more affection with only one bubble

~~ZING~~

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Well the 360 is using bullets the Wii is using a light saber.

[IdontTakeSides]

and with the Power of the CELL..the bullets were refelected back onto the 360 which was experiencing it's Monthly PMS known as the RROD..

[Apocalypse Shadow]

sony is winning on both fronts.the most powerful system and the best medium on the market.

ps3 sales are doing fine based on first year sales.again,at a higher price and competition,ps3 is matching 360 when it had the market to itself for a year.it has half of microsoft's 2 year lead with no big guns like GT5,killzone,FF,MGS,getaway,et c.when they do hit,look out.

as for nintendo,all they did was repackage the same tech and put out a successful gimmick.they did it every time.fooling the unsuspecting public.

gameboy color-was the nes shrunk down
gameboy advance-was the snes shrunk down
NDS-was the n64 shrunk down
nintendo wii-is the gamecube with a wireless remote

cheap tech,great marketing,high profits.everytime.instead of pushing technology forward,they took mini steps.but each and every time,nintendo NEVER sold 100 million systems.they got a shot this time,but we'll see.

ps3 has more features,more innovation,more reliability.no remote play,no eyetoy/pseye/motion control,,no high def media,no one percent defect rate.360 and wii are being outclassed on these fronts.doesn't mean they don't have good games.but sony is handling both consoles quite well.

the only lead microsoft has is time.and the only thing nintendo has is cheap repackaged hardware.it will just take sony a little longer to beat microsoft and nintendo.because each time,sony was considered the underdog,came slow out the gate,but later whooped everyone's @ss.

mag lev..................

[forum_crawler]

Let's see...

N64 more power than PS1.
GC more power than PS2.

PS3 more power than wii...

What does that tell you? It says that the winner is not always the console with the most power, but the console that appeals to the greatest audience (more games, more variety, etc).

Oh, by the way...
PC > PS3, 360, wii.

[doomsonyman]

well said mag lev we sony fans need to stick togather on this site and give eachother bubbles like i just gave you. @pimpdaddy i'd take away more bubbles but you already have none LMAO 360 XLOSER

[Rooftrellen]

If Sony fanboys are giving each other bubles based not on what they say but based on the system they favor, does that mean all non-PS3 fanboys should go to the PS3 boards and take away bubbles from everyone who says something good about the PS3.

That's what it sounds like to me, that bubbles should be given or taken along conole war lines, and here I've been giving bubbles to people who present good arguments in a well written manner.

Silly me.

[mgbass13]

The Wii is a toy, plain and simple. PS3 has the big guns, it's just not showing them yet. 360 is good, but once Sony gets rolling, it'll be a freaking juggernaut.

[forum_crawler]

The PS3 is a toy.
I think one year in the technology sector is plenty long enough to show all your tricks, especially if you are the last pony in the race, but that is just my point of view.

You think the wii is a toy, well, I agree. It is a toy, but so are the 360 and the PS3. It just so happens the wii is a much more fun toy to play with than the PS3.

PC > PS3, 360, Wii

[Rooftrellen]

What guns do you think they're pulling out that could possibly be bigger than MGS and FF?

We've seen them, already.

[IdontTakeSides]

And of course there wont ne new IP's in the PS3 life cycle which would eventually become a major franchise ..name me one hugely anaticpated game for the Wii that isn't developed By Nintendo except for MH3....?? and we've seen them already also..

[Rooftrellen]

There will be new franchises for all the consoles, likely, and some of them may well become big.

However, no one said anything about that. We're talking about big guns. We're talking about system sellers. If you say "big guns" I expect a game that I can say "I know people who might buy the console just for that."

As for the answer to your question about a highly anticipated Wii game that's slated for next year that's 3rd party and not MH3, how about No More Heroes?

Wait, I feel as if I have shorted you now, because with MH3 and No More Heroes I've only matched what I've given you for the PS3. Dragon Quest Swords...there, now I even gave you one more for the Wii.

[TheExodus]

Just a little over 4 million units to go until Wii has outsold 360 & PS3 combined! Hopefully Nintendo has stashed away a few million extra Wiis for the holiday shopping season, because it would truly be sweet for Santa to leave rabid 360 & PS3 fanboys crying over a bitter portion of humble pie this Christmas.

[karlostomy]

To all the Wii lovers out there, but real gamers know that the wii is a toy. Why do I say this? Well, it has processing power perhaps *slightly* higher than the original xbox.

So why does it sell so well? Simple: it is a fad gimmick. Like the Tamagotchi toy; like yoyos; like fashion trends, like bubble gum teeny pop music.

The wii is accessible and immediately fun. Yep I played wii sports with family at christmas. But would i buy one? hell no! It has NOTHING substantial to offer.

I will wager that the wii will continue to outsell the 360 and PS3 for another year. But then the excitement will wear off. People will see past the gimmicky nature of the wiimote and discard it in favour of 360/ps3.

Repartee anyone?