Former Harmonix dev. bashes PS3

"I read various game forums from time to time, and often see gamers complaining about 'lazy ports' to the ps3. They often mention how the ps3 is the most powerful game console and blame developers working on the console for doing a bad job. Sony has all of these people duped by impressive marketing spin, and I'm often amazed at how potent this type of rhetoric proves to be. For those unaware, I'm going to break it down simply and explain exactly why ports to the ps3 will never be as good as their 360 counter parts, and why most ps3 exclusives will likely continue to suck."

Follow the link to read how Jason Booth "debunks" a few "misconceptions".

[Bigmac573]

PS3 has Eye of Judgment, that's all I care about right now. Anyone wanna play? =)

BY the way, here's a picture of this horrid monster: http://photos1.blogger.com/...

[Fighter]

He needs the light to hide his true troll self. When I say 'troll' I mean literal (like Shrek) troll.

The guy just got fired from Harmonix so he's definitely in a self-destructive mood. Xbox 360 and the Wii will probably be next on his hit list. That girl in the pic better watch her back when sh's in the same room as him.

[Time Lord]

or is it ok when they bashing the PS3?

[YoMeViet]

Shrek is an Ogre but I get your point XD

[unlimited]

what whiny pity devloper..lol..what games have he made that was graphically amazing..heck i dont even know who he is at all..someone mad at sony for making his life harder..lol..is he even workin on a psp game or ps3..i read that sony didnt want anythin to do with him..maybe that why his going nuts and hating..

lmao..

Also have the best looking game out there compare to the 360..who crapping out on people each day..

[ruibing]

So this is his version of a job resume to be hired by Gabe (from Valve)?

[Marceles]

I guess that's why he's a former dev. Fired.

[iceice123]

Bring up someones pic in this discussion makes no sense. Guess you finally see how much your console fails :) Lets see a pic of you sense you're so into bringing up others =)

[marinelife9]

I stopped reading when he said PS3 exclusives suck.

[sticky doja]

It was just a hunch at first, but as much as this guy stays on this site stating how great the PS3 is and is doing, their can be no other explaination. He posts constantly for like 8-10 hours a day, so either he goes to work and then comes home and spends 8-10 hours praising the PS3 on the internet instead of actually playing it, or the 8-10 hours on the internet praising it IS HIS JOB.

Anyone else feel this way? No one else on this website spends half as much energy as he does promoting the PS3 and bashing the 360.

[shmee]

nasim used to work for VALVE

He is now part of a multiplat company

DO u want to refute a developer on this?

sorry nasim (not his real name)

I had to reveal your identity.

Nasim and his team are working on a big PS3 PROJECT .....u wd see his fruits in 2008 FALL

[LOL PS3 IS JUNK LOL]

Normally this is where I post something that makes me lose my bubbles (or lack of). For the first time I am putting up a serious post.

"wow this guy is being paid for this dont believe a word."

This is one of the most ignorant comments I have seen. The blog post is 100% correct. I am a programmer and I have done game programming before (nothing 3D but the underlying concepts are close to the same)

EDIT: I see 3 disagrees already and no replies. You PS3 turds are a bunch of idiots.

Not one thing he mentioned is false. I would like you to reply with some insight on how these comments are made-up. Game programming is all about "state"

You cannot determine the state of something if it is split across multiple processors. The problem is that you get "dirty reads" that are stored into the cache....meaning....that when you have a program that needs to know the exact state, it has to pass through one central point.....ONE CORE.

This is why we have servers. Servers act as a single entry point TO PRESERVE STATE. Since games need to stay in sync, the majority of the functions need to rely on ONE CORE. Hence why most of the SPUs aren't being used and as far as I can see they won't be able to find a use for them (outside of audio and simple tasks)

All of his points are valid and exactly why the PS3 is not doing well. It has an excellent source of power but not all of that power fits into game development.

Now with that being said. You start to see why the PS3 is getting crap ports. You have to alter your code outside the norm. This is time consuming and it will cause companies to lose interest (especially when sales are not as good as others). I feel that the AAA games to come to the PS3 are going to be exclusives. This is the only way developers are going to have the time and efforts to write code specifically for the PS3 architecture.

If you want to hit that disagree button, at least reply with a reason. Disagreeing without a reason just shows that you are a ignorant fanboy.
Give me some credit...I finally posted a REAL comment.

[radzy]

back to halo 3 -team slayer

[Icecold33]

Why would you post this guys picture?(Isn't it already posted with the article.) What point did it have? Does it aid you in making a personal attack against him because you don't agree with what he said.

This is a clear example of people hearing and seeing what they want to hear or see.

[sak500]

@ Bigmac i doubt u look any better than this guy.

[godofthunder10]

this is what gets me from fanboys from both sides.when a sales report comes out that 1 outsold the other,they are wrong if the system they have didn't sell more then the other,like they know how many units sold and the people that keep up with sales figure don't.these post are the same way,they have a man here who know about the systems because he's a delveloper but people act like they still know more then him because he said things that's against their system,but he's not the only developer that said the same thing,i read a few articles where the developer said that the ps3 isn't more powerful then the 360 because of the way it's made.but still they have fanboys saying that they don't know what they are talking about well if they are right and he's wrong then why is it that
1st- the majarity of games that's on both system looks better on the 360
2nd-developers said that it's difficulity to program for because of the way it's made.
3rd-games for the ps3 is always postspone because they are having problems developeing them.

i'm not saying that the 360 is more powerful then the ps3 because it'isn't but the ps3 is more powerful then the 360.so instead of being stupid fanboys fighting over a kids game system like a bunch of 9 year olds on a school playground, they need to stop being bias and fact the facts,if you want to play all the good games you will need both systems and that's a fact i don't care what kind of spin you put on it and till the sony fans have proof that the ps3 is more powerful they need to face the fact and the same for the 360 fans.
so instead of making an a** of themselfs they need to just enjoy their game no matter what system they have and stop acting like they will get a % of the sells because they want receice a damn dime as a matter of fact micro and sony doesn't give a sh*t about them,so they need to stop acting an ass and just enjoy their games and act like a grownup instead of their shoesize.

[Ignorant Fanboy]

His posts are so sloppy Im surprised he knows how to use a computer.

[gerrard]

Oh really the PS3 isn't more powerfull than 360, doesn't need bluray?Tell that to naughtydogs and insomiac makers of Uncharted Drakes Fortune and Rachet and Clank: TOD

[barom]

lol I guess there is a reason why he's a FORMER Harmonix developer.

[popup]

He is on Imdb!?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm...

[Armyless]

lol

[KeiZka]

It seems to be allowed, at least when it's about x0/Wii bashing...

[solidt12]

I was never in to card games but I might get this game on the PS3.

[b777conehead]

sticky blood mask the mart power of green doing the same on the 360 side as naism on the ps3 side

[ry-guy]

Oh, so when it is someone posting a blog about how the Xbox 360 is inferior. Or that the Wii is underperforming, it becomes bashing?

This is probably on the better end of some of the blogs posted on N4G. This is an actual game developer who has dealt with the PS3 and is voicing his disdain for it while providing local and coherent arguements much better than the typical "PS3 4 14|=3!" or "PS3 has no RROD" or my personal favorite "We have Lair (control problems), Folklore (just a generally lack-luster game compared to the "excitement" people were for it), Ratchet & Clank (which is a great game), Uncharted (who knows), UT3 (which is multiplatform anyways), Jericho (was on alot of peoples lists for a while until reviews started leaking), Eye of Judgement (which is way too expensive in my opinion but a neat toy none-the-less), etc etc etc."

I'm tired of Xbox 360 fanboys boasting the numbers of sales and how the PS3 is getting stomped into the ground.
I am equally (if not more) getting tired with the Playstation 3 fanboys telling me their system is not underperforming and then spit out a list of games that have been announced from here until the next holiday season (and 3/4ths of those games, I bet, will perform below expectations).

[gamesR4fun]

wow this guy is being paid for this dont believe a word.

[hazeblaze]

I very highly doubt he's being paid but he does seem to have his own agenda. For one, if we hadn't already seen games that look much more impressive on the PS3... such as Uncharted, MGS4, & GT5... then I could buy his story on the PS3 not truly being more powerful.

But the other thing is that there have been too many other devs stating that there is a lot of untapped power in the PS3 that gamers will really begin to see in the next few years, most notably is Mark Reins from Epic. And his word is a lot more credible to me than this guys.

The one thing I do agree with though... b/c of the additional coding and dev costs, most of the power we see for a while is going to come from the 1st party devs & 3rd party exclusives.

[skarn]

Or he's no longer getting paid not to say it :P

Either way, this is great flame-war material, don't you think?

[gamesR4fun]

fine if not paid then certainly biased and like I said b4 a lot of convenient anti ps3 spin here in NA just in time for the holidays...

[s8anicslayer]

i bet that new company he left harmonix for is being fully funded by ms,that piece of sh!t!he may just have gotten fired ,but anyway who cares,the ps3 without a doubt is technological advanced then the 360,activision just said so,cod4 looks better on ps3,nuff said

[wageslave]

Irrational PS3 Fanboy Excuses:

"this guy is being paid for this dont believe a word"
"I hate EA" (and UBI, Activision, Capcom, id, Epic, and 2K)
"EA is MS's b!tch"
"MS funds all review-sites"
"EA=Peter Moore"
"Just Wait"
"Just wait till 08"
"just wait till 09"
"Lazy"
"Lazy devs"
"lazy"
"EA sucks"
"EA can't make good games" (Battlefild, most sports titles, Burnout, The Sims and upcomming Crysis and Army of Two)
"f**k EA"
"wait"
"when"
"somday"
"fantasy"
"lie"
"f**k Peter Moore"
"f**k MS"
"EPIC UNREAL engine is CRAP supposedly"

[sak500]

LOL @ Wageslave:

dont forget to add ubisoft and capcom to the list of M$ payroll

ubisoft=lazydevs
capcom=moneywhores

[Premonition]

He says he reads the forum, then read this, what game you made that takes advantage of the PS3's power, that guitar game aint nothin, so you keep talkin like you big in the game industry, probably one of those low type devs nothing compared to the bigger players like Unreal, Naughty Dog Valve and all the others.

[SmokeyMcBear]

wow did you read the comments on his blog.. just completely obliterate his post.. wow.

[drewdrakes]

Actually most of the comments were stupid and uninformed. One guy said that blu-ray reads just as fast as DVD, not true AT ALL from the speeds ive seen in the specs. Also some guy brought up Halo 3's 640p resolution...but failed to mention that it renders 2 frames at 640p each time, making it render the equivalent of 1.5 720p frames per frame.

[Bleyd]

The average read speed from a SL DVD is slightly faster than the read speed of a Blu-Ray disk. The average read speed of a DL DVD is slightly slower than the read speed of a Blu-Ray disk. The issue at hand is that most xbox 360 games require a DL DVD in order to have room for everything.

I'm sorry if you believe that rendering 640p twice is the same as 1.5 times the resolution of 720P. That's just wrong. You really should do your homework before you start posting things like this.

[THUNDERMARE]

There has been a post about reading speed on BR and DVD if you follow the news from about 5-6 months ago, you will know that dual layers DVD actually run at relatively same, if not, slower than dual or single layers BR.
If you are arguing that single layer DVD reading speed is faster then I wouldnt disagree but note that no game in this generation use single layer DVD.

[techie]

Haha that post was very ironic...well done. Did you know Killzone 2 multi-renders 4 times the 720p...meaning by your reckonings, it would be 2880p! Deary me.

[drewdrakes]

Actually I didnt say it was better then 720p I said it renders as many pixels as a 720p frame multiplied by 1.5. And the guy who said the thing about killzone, that would be inaccurate. It would be that in one dimension, but because all you did was multiply by 4, it would no longer be widescreen. The width and height would be drastically different then 16:9. It would be 1440p if thats what you were looking for...

[hitthegspot]

Blu-Ray is 3 times the speed of DVD... You don't know how much I hated to say that..

read it here http://electronics.howstuff...

3rd page

[techie]

Not really much to talk about here. Just posted it on a real forum - Beyond3d seeing what they thought of it, and my post was deleted...explaining that was nothing of technical importance, or even accuracy in the blog post.

[MikeGdaGod]

"The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance."

can someone name one game on the 360 that run native 1080p @ 60fps???

*crickets*

[WAR_MACHINE77]

that right there was what had me laughing. oh and the exclusives will always suck thing, lol, some one better get Kojima productions, Insomniac, Infinity Ward, Square Enix, and Naughty Dog on the phone and tell them their games will always suck. The fact that this all came from a guy that worked for Harmonix only makes it funnier, even their next gen games look like their PS2 counterparts.

[sak500]

@scottie:

If 360 devs use same textures as p3 uses of ps2 then most games would end up @ 1080p @ 60fps. BUt the high rez textures and normal mapping on most objects in games like H3 takes most of the bandwith. Any game out there on ps3 which has bumped/normal mapped textures other than MS?

[squallsoft]

...

[Drano]

Why should we bother about a "former" employee? Nothing tells us that this guy was competent whatsoever.

Jump Beyond.

[Rooted_Dust]

I read in one of the posts below his blog entry that his new company is in direct competition of PS Home. So that may explain some of his biased opinions.

[DARK WITNESS]

Jump beyond....lol,

i like it, is that something that us gamers who have the joy of owning both systems and getting the very best of both can quote at all the one sided people ?

bubble for you.

[YoMeViet]

wow this guy seems to know what he's talking about........LOL sorry I can't keep a straight face saying that!
Anyone know what games has this guy actually worked on? Is he a big shot dev or just some low lvl dev that does the busy work for people? LOL a no name low desk job dev talking all big HA

Edit: who gave me a disagree? Can't you spot sarcasm when you see it?

[chester]

yeah, i know i'm going to get knocked down for this, but i believe what he says. he has worked on both platforms and has written a blog detailing what he believes to be true about the development for ps3 games. with so many ports being inferior on ps3 compared to it's counter-part, how can any reasonable person believe that these aren't very real possibilities as to why? he obviously has technical knowledge of programming and developing on the ps3 and the 360. i own a ps3 and only a few games because in all honesty i find the games on the ps3 to be less quality then the 360 by a mile. that may change next year but with the exception of littlebigplanet, there are no games that i absolutely feel i must have. of course i'll get mgs4 and ffXIII and others, but i also know as soon as i have gotten through those games i will be back on my 360.
and if you don't believe i have a ps3, my tag is chester97 and you're welcome to add me. i am an avid warhawk player.

[Boldy]

Nice post. It's nice to see that people are actually agreeing with a real game developer rather than all these people posting that pretend they know what they're talking about. Sony fanboys always say that it's not hard to develop for the ps3, but I say, So I guess your a game developer for the ps3 then if you know that.

[wageslave]

I cant agree more. It boggles the mind that the members of this forum run off at the mouth like they do.

My programming skills are mediocre (at best) compared to someone who does game programming for a living. But I know enough to understand what this man is talking about. But when I read the responses here in this forum.

"hes stupid", "he's lazy", "he doesnt know what he's talking about", "I heard Z,Y,X".

It boggles the mind that what are clearly highschool (and younger) children can possibly be so arrogant and flippant. I know this is just the interweb, but the level of wholesale stupidity on this forum is like I've never encountered before.

Perhaps the SDF on N4G might like to read and contemplate what this developer is trying to tell you, instead of assaulting him.

Anyone even pretending to pay mild attention to the technical merits of videogame consoles would know that this isnt a new or unique opinion at all. The legions of game Developers are all saying much the same.

But, apparently, the 15 year olds on this forum know better than the collective opinion of the industry's game development professionals.

whodathunkit.

[squallsoft]

Please read...
From a poster on that site:

"Getting data off the blue ray drive takes about twice as long as it does to get the same data off the 360's DVD drive."

Afaik the average speed on SL DVD´s is more or less the same as Blu-Ray. On dual layer DVD´s Blu-Ray has a slight advantage.

"Basically, they take the data they would normally send to the graphics chip, send it to an SPU which optimizes it in some manner, then send it to the graphics chip."

They take advantage of the Cell CPU, this is a good thing not a badt thing.

"The code needed to make the PS3 work is most likely only useful to you on the PS3, as the types of tricks you need to do to make the thing perform are very unique to the platform and unlikely to be useful on any other architecture now or in the future."

Yes and No, if you "thread" carefully you will gain speed on the 3 core cpu in the 360.

"but thats unlikely to be realized in any useful way".

Drakes fortune and Rachet and Clank takes up way more space than the 7GB you can store on a 360 DVD.
Maybe you shouldn´t use a launch game as evidence :-)

"The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360"
If you want to take advantage of the "fill rate" on the 360 you have to reduce the resolution on your games. Hello Halo 3, hello Grand Turismo HD 4 real :-)

And about the author of this blog post:

Playstation Home will compete directly with his new company, so the PS3 is his enemy at the moment. With this as the backdrop, it's hard to lend any credence to his technical arguments.

If your wondering about what this blog author is up to: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

so its for hisbenefit to discorage developers away from sony's console.

take this and any article bashing the tech of any next gen system with a grain of salt...

[wageslave]

I wont bother to address any of your baseless assertions. You're clearly uninformed.

But, I will stop for one bit.

you claim "this person is in direct competition with Sony's HOME, so he is unreliable"

This is what is called an argumentum ad hominem or "purely personal considerations". You cant dismiss him because of something that you presume motivates him to lie. You can't dismiss his argument *because* of your paranoid presumption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

But what this author is saying is totally in-line with what everyone has been saying for many months. This article is saying that the PS3 is a terrible design and that the development tools are weak is 100% completely, exactly like what we've heard all along.

Does it really matter what your (presumed paranoid) motivations for this person are? What he is saying is exactly what has been said by people who couldnt possibly be accused of self-centered motivations.

Clearly your (paranoid presumed) motivations are irrelevant. Clear thinking is the key here.

If/when you get to University, you'll learn all about this kind of disciplined, logically concise thinking.

Until then, you'd be better off not writing 250 words of nonsense without a drop of reason on the interwebs.

[Leg-End]

okay, so this site only allows blogs that bash the ps3
i thought u werent supposed to submit blogs on this site

[malingenie]

They really hate my black box.
You know, my PS3 is gonna get an inferiority complex if you dont back down. Let him be, you bastards! (sniff)

[Boink]

5 guesses where this thread will go.

[fenderputty]

1. Downhill fast
2. Downhill slow
3. Downhill then up and then waaaay down
4. All the way downhill snowballing the entire time
5. N4G armagedon.

[joydestroy]

LOLZZZ

[Delive]

Must have been one of the Lazy ones. LOL

[Azures]

hehe.

[Spinitus]

good 1

[fenderputty]

... title should read ... former and bitter dev talks out his a$$ in some radom blog.

[unlimited]

what whiny pity devloper..lol..what games have he made that was graphically amazing..heck i dont even know who he is at all..someone mad at sony for making his life harder..lol..is he even workin on a psp game or ps3..i read that sony didnt want anythin to do with him..maybe that why his going nuts and hating..

lmao

[AnalFace]

ahahaha!!! some nerds opinion. This site gets worse everyday.

[Expy]

Is truly an idiot, doesn't he realize that he just said that ports will almost always be bad on the PS3? Everyone already knew that, he just tried to put it into vague terms just to dish out some punches at an architecture that he doesn't fully understand.

He said that in order to utilize the power of the PS3 you'd have to be optimizing from the beginning (NOT PORTING) which is what everyone already knew.

This guy just went on and on about how the Playstation 3 can't efficiently run 360 code (NO KIDDING IT'S NOT A 360). Oh, and BTW, what kind of graphics has Harmonix dished out? Yea, I thought so.

[Martini]

If he is an idiot than what are you, since you just agreed with him :)

[mcgrawgamer]

after harmonix fired him. So he bashed Sony. He'll apply for a job at Microsoft next get turned down, bash them and follow up the rear with nintendo, ea, naughty dog, epic, activition, midway, the list goes on and on. This dude is a butt monkey, who likes sniffing his own butt, eating his own feces and throwing the extra crap on the wall hence his blog. This dude doesn't belong in somebodys studio. he belongs at a truck stop cleaning the restrooms.

[Azures]

I'm glad were posting blogs from a disgruntled dev w/ a conflict of interest.

Can we start posting forum trolls as credible sources yet?

[malingenie]

N4G.com

[fenderputty]

lol ... so so true. The simple fact that there is a competition to see who can get the mnost points/hottest thread only leads to flameing hot entries of death.

[Douchebaggery]

At 9:05 AM, Anonymous said...

what would you know about it? all of harmonix games looks like sh!t

[Jandre02]

enough said. if heavenly sword or ratchet didn't come out I might believe him. explain 720p and 60fp with pixar level graphic.

[The Wood]

maybe he should speak to those guys over at insomniac

[lonestarmt]

This seems fishy. Then how come so many games on the ps3 run at 720,1080i, and 1080p, and most 360 games are lower than that. Look at halo 3. Plus Have they played ninja gaiden sigma or especially rachet and clank where there is almost 0 load times, from gameplay to cutscene and zero loud time from area to area. I remembering playing guitar hero on my ps2 and it still had load times. Its not like those games had great graphics to begin with.

sigh, by a mile eh? haha man some of you people. The games not made by EA normally do the same if not better, just look at GRAW 2 and oblivion. When you build it for the ps3 it runs better, if you just half ass port, it will rung like a half ass port.

[Real gamer 4 life]

Firs tof all this guy is a former Dev. He said that the ps3 is not more graphical then the xbox 360. I want the 360 to show me any game that looks better then racher and clank. There is no game that looks better then rachet and clnak on the xbox360. And i own both console so i know. All pse game run on a native of 720p but halo runs at 640p This guy doesnt know Crap. No wonder he got fired, the day he got fired was a victory for gamers.

[Azures]

someone will try and pull the "GEARS" card on you, to that respond..

Unreal Tournament III, Gears was just practice.

edit: hahaha i sooo called it.

oh so r&c got a 7.5 did it? Thats the same asshole who gave Bioshock a 9 for the 360 citing nonexistent frame rate issues, so don't be so quick to defend that Gamespot reviewer. And I run Bioshock at fully maxed settings on my PC (monster rig) and r&c still looks better, much different art style to be sure...but better? No.

edit 2: gear 2? ok lol. Killzone will be out by then. :)

[SuicidalTendencies]

Your post reeks of fanboy biased. No game on 360 looks better then R&C? How about Gears or Bioshock? I am enjoying R&C, but don't go saying it's the best looking game on any system. A game with the best looking graphics doesn't get a 7.5 rating.

Edit: Ok, out of all the "reviewers" I respect the highest was GamerInformer with a 9.3. It still didn't beat out Bioshock or Gears. Also, to respond to your Unreal III, I'll say Gears 2.

Edit: You honestly believe Killzone 2 will look better then Gears 2?

[HarryEtTubMan]

wHO CARES WHAT HE THINKS.... IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE END OF THE CONSOLE WARS AND A 200$ BLU RAY PLAYER WITH AMAZING GAMES!

[squallsoft]

devs should optimize for ps3 first and then port to 360, because its easier to cut down codes and compress than to do the oposite. if 360 games came on hd-dvd, then the ports would be even. ps3 is a beast, and it takes real talent to make it sing. and this article is gonna turn into a fanboy war real quick. just wait.

[Azures]

That the 360 is a chick you meet at a college party and the PS3 is the girl you fall in love with. The 360 might put out now, but she'll just end up being another slut.

[DreamTension]

but everyone knows sluts are a lot more fun.

[cartman313]

Sluts may be fun, but there is a 33% chance of an STD.

[Pika-pie]

PS3 exclusives do not suck??

Heavenly Sword is great, Resistance is great, Warhawk is great, R&C, GT5 are awesome (having played the demo).

This guys a strange one. We all know what the PS3 is capable of having watched the demos for games like MGS, LBP, KZ2.

I dont care which is system is more powerful. Theres plenty of good stuff on the PS3 to keep me happy.

I wish these silly devs would just shut the hell up and do their job!!

[wageslave]

Heavenly Sword is 7.9 / 10
Resistance is 8.6 / 10
Warhawk is 8.4 / 10
R&C is 9.0 / 10
GT5 is not yet released.

Metacritic scores do not lie. Those 4 games are the *BEST* you have. You've just named every worthwhile PS3 game.

[MK_Red]

Well, after seeing Ratchet & Clank PS3, I call him a crazy idiot. If something like Ratchet TOD can be done in a console's first year, the future is more than bright.

[Meus Renaissance]

This guy sounds like an idiot. What is he smoking?

[fenderputty]

that's for sure. lol

[wageslave]

Whatever he is smoking is better than the schwag you are Meus.

PS3 exclusives, for the most part have sucked. There are only 4 games that have a metacritic 3 games that have a metacritic score above 8 (Resistence 8.6, Warhawk 8.4, R&C 9.0, Motorstorm 8.2) and not ONE game above 9.0

Dont try and argue that PS3 exclusives have been great. A few of them have been "good", but very few.

For comparison, there have been 4 games 9.0 or above (Bioshock 9.6, Gears of War 9.4, Halo 3 9.4, Forza Motorsport 2 9.0).

You can count the number of 8.0+ games for Xbox 360 here:
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

When he says "PS3 exclusives suck" he is saying that relative to the alternative. That alternative is Xbox 360, where you can get piles of games that are better than what few decent games are available on PS3.

[eagle21]

Half of those ports are games that even 360 owners wouldn't have bought if they had better choices early on (example fear and Saints Row). Oblivion, according to gamespot (oooooh gamespot) runs and loads better and faster than 360 (they have on video too...ooooh)so..whatever. MGS4 and FFXIII and VERSUS are three examples of third party exclusives to PS3 that will: a.) sell better than any third party exclusive 360 game and b.) will demonstrate to the world how great games from real third party developers run on PS3 (example Capcom, rockstar, Square Enix). Even Capcom said that DMC4 has no differences. GTA IV, a real seller, we will see how they feel next year. This is sooo a 2007 statement, bring on 2008! PS3 games will not be in the shadow of the 360 or wii next year. This is no flaim, PS3 will also have their share of first party (4-15 million unit sellers, example (LittleBigPlanet, Gran Turismo 5) this generation. And when I talk about third party, I mean third party developer exclusives (like the blockbuster Bioshock which will be the top selling third party exclusive game on 360) not Oblivion or a franchise like Gears which is owned by Microsoft first party.

[beaner71481]

i think he is working on getting a libel and slander case filed against him....

[WilliamRLBaker]

STONE HIM! BURN HIM!! HE is a (insert here).

1.Biased
2.Paid Off
3.Paid Off By M$!
4.Stupid

Thats about what we will hear from the sonyfanboys more or less.

[mighty_douche]

if i searched the net high and low i could find something similer but concerning the 360.

just because something is on the internet doesnt make it fact/true. infact generally its the opposite, this site is proof of that.

[WilliamRLBaker]

Like I said to shiroRX if you dont like what I got to say then ignore me.

I dont have to take nothing from a guy named Douche, As for that ITs fact that basically what teh sonyfanboys have been saying can be boiled down to 1 thing.

Hes stupid, Or hes Paid off, Or Hes biased.

[mighty_douche]

both consoles are just a lump of metal and plastic, go fall in love with another human or something dude. get a life seriously.

[tethered]

Boiled down to 1 thing?
And then you state 3?

Haha!

I hope you meant boiled down to 1 of 3 things.

By the way, why would I or anyone else want to ignore this kinda comedy.

[PimpHandHappy]

i stopped there

[Azures]

"You're no Gabe Newell. Stop trying to be."

Not only wins, owns.

[DJ]

This guy is 'former' for a reason. He has no clue what he's talking about. =P

[SIX]

I think I remember reading a rumor that MS is creating a rival for HOME. Could they have sourced it to his company?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

What's your agenda buddy?

[kingboy]

Give this moron Uncharted Drakes Fortune for 5 minutes

[mighty_douche]

fanboy nonsense in the comments, now its becoming the 'news' to...

any chance of getting a CRAP tab at the top for this type of 'news' to go under..?

[TheMART]

Oh damn. PS3 fans just read it. Facts facts facts. I know you want to shoot it down being a 'blog' but this should be a new chapter in the bible.

Especially DJ reading and copying all those 'dev blogs' have you paid close attention to this info?

"The PS3 is more graphically advanced than the 360"

"Fill rate is one of the primary ways to measure graphics performance - in essence, it's a number describing how many pixel operations you can perform. The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance. Additionally, the shader processing on the ps3 is significantly slower than on the 360, which means that a normal map takes more fill rate to draw on the ps3 than it does on the 360. And I'm not talking about small differences here, we're talking roughly half the pixel pushing power.

"Ok, fine, but the cell is like, super powerful"

In theory, sure, but in reality it doesn't work out that way. Game code simply doesn't split well across multiple processors. You can probably find a way to split a few things off fairly easily - put the audio on one processor, animation on another; but generally the breakup is always going to leave several of the SPUs idle or underutilized. On top of that, it's usually not CPU speed that restricts the visuals in games - it's fill rate.

"Uh, Blue Ray!"

Great for watching movies, but not so great for games. Getting data off the blue ray drive takes about twice as long as it does to get the same data off the 360's DVD drive. That translates into longer load times, or god forbid if your streaming from disk, tighter constraints on the amount of data you can stream."

Well there they go: all those so called 'advantages' of the PS3 aka just a cheap BluRay player...

[xg-ei8ht]

I'm glad u agreed with him Mart.

It shows what a total idiot you really are: Congrats on that!!

Simple shader fx, Now that one had me laughing.

PS3 Does: 100 billion shader operations per second! Thats just RSX, No usage from cell doing shader programs. That score would increase wildly.

Xbox360 Does: 96 billion shader operations per second! Max output.

Guess he missed that one:)

Maybe he missed this one also?

Xbox has a fillrate of 1.2billion vertices? 500 million triangles?

1 Geforce 6800 Ultra does 600million vertices!
2 Geforce Ultras Do 1.2billion vertices.

And what does the ps3 do? Nope your wrong. Its does infact 1.6billion vertices.Why does it do more? Because your just going on doubling,like sli! But 7800gtx - 7900gtx tech is way more advanced. Thats why.

I could go on and on and on. But the plain and simple truth is this.

360 is easier to program for at present.

This won't last long, and you can already see the fruits of Racthet and clank, Uncharted etc, Soon MGS4, UT3, KILLZONE 2.

Thing is, The unreal engine is the most used on 360, and will continue to do so for awhile.

The engines on ps3 work alittle better, why? Because those engines are built ground up for the ps3, Games mentioned above.

Xbox Folk, you can toss around numbers all day long, but i know the truth. And in the end thats all that matters.

[WilliamRLBaker]

Ok strike that.

Burn him hes a (insert here).

6.Give him this game

Lets see those games are being MADE SPECIFICALLY for ps3, with close supervision from sony to give those companies *most of which are 2nd party devs* treatment in the area of Tech support when it comes to the ps3.

And all we need as proof that what he says is true is this....

11m sales vs 5.5m
Higher attach rate
More game sales
More games released
Multiplatform games even when created on the ps3 loook better, and work better then the ps3 counterpart.

[Drano]

Wrong place.

[BOSS]

This is why everyone should buy American. Remember we Americans created video games in the 70s. The 360 is the best!

[Drano]

That's so sweet. Give a hug to your console now. Don't expect a check from Microsoft for your "loyalty". this is just absurd.

Jump Beyond.

[lonestarmt]

wow, well if it weren't for japan video games wouldn't have ever reach where they are today

[Silverwolf]

After playing Rachet & clank which by the way look's fu@king fantastic and runs as good as it looks. Any developer that can't match Insomniac's prowless is nothing but a dud. Nuff said!

[Real gamer 4 life]

You are quick to show the rating of a biased website but not the one of the non biased once. I dont have to show you the score rachet got, cause i am sure you already know. Rachet and clank Was compare to pixar graphic, Ign gametrailers and numerous other website has said it. so dont come with that gears or bioshoch crap, cause it doesnt even compare. Show me a X box game that runs at native 1080p. then you can come an talk to me.

[SuicidalTendencies]

So any website that gives a Sony game a bad rating is biased, paid off, or they are just plain stupid? I think some of you fanboys need to seek some mental help.

On topic: This dev is acting unprofessional. I'm guessing he no longer works on multiple systems? Sadly, I don't know if what he's saying is true cause I'm fairly ignorant when it comes to the hardware of these systems. I just play the games :P

[Salvadore]

Developers that build their game from ground up to utilize the hardware, are the ones who create great games for both systems. The so called "lazy developers" that develop games on the 360 hardware and then port it to the PS3, are the ones who encounter problems.

[rbanke]

One problem with his argument of 'Game code simply doesn't split well across multiple processors.'

While its true that programming for multiple processors is more difficult, its also true that code designed for multiple procs is going to have a much greater performance benefit.

On top of that, Mutiple core CPU's are here to stay. in the past few years you have seen very little in the way of faster single core cpu's. In the future, ps3 or not, if you are a game developer you are going to have to learn how to program and program well on a muticore cpu. Be it PC, PS3, or some as yet unknown future console.

[wil4hire]

perhaps this guy should go home and get his FVCKING SHINE BOX.

[WilliamRLBaker]

I yet again say

The basics of what we will hear from the sonyfanboys can be boiled down to this.

STONE HIM HE IS (insert here).

1.Stupid
2.Biased
3.Paid off
4.Paid off by M$
5.show him this game its amazing but hey its a title created specifically for the ps3 and only for it, with close supervision, tech help, and money to make it.

[Primetimebt]

Who is this guy and what games has he made?

EDIT: Sorry didn't see anything in his blog just looked it up. Guitar Hero, RaRappa the Rapper, Beatmania, Dance Dance Revolution. Give us a break and you want us to take this guy serious? Lol

[TheMART]

You could try to actually read the stuff on the link...

[Real gamer 4 life]

Fill rate is one of the primary ways to measure graphics performance - in essence, it's a number describing how many pixel operations you can perform. The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance. Additionally, the shader processing on the ps3 is significantly slower than on the 360, which means that a normal map takes more fill rate to draw on the ps3 than it does on the 360. And I'm not talking about small differences here, we're talking roughly half the pixel pushing power."

so that is why bad looking games like halo 3 is only 640p on 360 and awesome looking games like uncharted is 720p on ps3? :lol

he has no idea what he is talking about.

No he is clearly being biased from the start he said that all Ps3 game will suck, right then and there you can tell he is being a troll. therefore i can not take his article seriously.

[u got owned]

He's not saying the PS3 is inferior, he's saying that for a developer to get the same results of an x360 game on a PS3 game, it would take more resources like money, time, and more developers and looking this from a business stand point is not a good thing.

Why would a developer spend more resources on a game for PS3 when, a) They could use it to work on another games development and b) PS3 game aren't selling so there is no incentive for them. They wont spend time and money on a game when PS3 owner are not buying games. Its simple.

I think he is accurate with he's blog.

[Premonition]

This guy is a joke, if you havent worked on a game that uses the cell or any of its power, like say you make PSN game or something like every day shooter for example, why do all of a sudden you think you know the system, that game is not even on the level of most games coming out right now or even next year, your making games that dont even use any SPU's just the basics and you think you know the in's and out's of the system, and the only people that know this are sony and the first party devs.

EDIT: "How do you know that 8 SKU's are better then one" I had to stop right there, first off its SPU's and second all SPU's are the same so ya it is better than 1. Sony should really send out their tech guy and school this person, because until you develope more games for PS3, and games that work with the cell and Nvidia GPU, you shouldnt bash the system.

[TheMART]

Everyone is a joke to PS3 fangirls as long as they don't say the PS3 is a heavenly send gift of God that even can wash your dishes. Stop living in Sony marketing lala land and welcome to reality.

[jjfunaz]

How do you know that 8 SKU's are better then one. It is true that processors are now moving to multi-cored, but that doesn't mean its going to very beneficial to the gaming development. Intel's chips are dual and quad core and in PCs they are faster because of all the different processes on an OS.
With a game it may be much more difficult to utilize these extra cores. Games on the PC haven't figured out how to utilize quad cores, so games made on a completetly new achritechure like the cell its going to a LONG time, if ever that 8 cores get utilized.

Sony took a big risk going with the cell processesor and it may be possible that the risk doesn't pay off. Potentially speaking it may be vastly powerful, but if it doesn't turn into practical power then there is a problem.

[MrWonderful]

its ok ill go roundhouse kick him and that will solve all issues

[mighty_douche]

well seems more like porn for the xbox fans to me.

maybe you could get a poster of this guys above your bed....

[jjfunaz]

OK, no one here, and I mean no one knows as much about the PS3 architechure then someone who made a game on it. Yes I believe you have to take the information he said with a grain of salt, he spent the article bashing PS3 without giving the other side of the coin the strong poitns of the ps3. Every system has problems he just highlighted the PS3s and made them see detrimental.

Bashing his games for not being graphic powerhouses is dumb. Graphics come from budget not from skill. Guitar Hero spend the majority of their budget on licensing fees, and did't need to have super graphics.

You ps3 fanboys are rediculous calling him a moron, and you believe that everyone gets paid to say something bad about the ps3. Its his opinion you don't ened to agree with it but at least think about it before disregarding it because its not the same as yours.

[b777conehead]

to 56
he docent know nothing about the ps3 either are he wouldn't be saying the stupid thanks he is saying look at unchartered and cod4 and ratchet and clank these games look beautiful the guy in that blog is a idiot

[spammy_nooo]

If this is true, how do Killzone 2, R&C, and Gran Turismo Prologue even exist?
In the first year of the ps3's life no less(maybe a LITTLE bit after the first year, but c'mon)

[rushbd]

i'm sorry ?!??
but is he trying to say that direct ports ( without optimiztion ) wont look good on PS3. Well Duh!!!

And PS3 exclusives wont look good. !!?!?

I must be blind than. Because R&C looks like a freaking Pixar movie and GT5 looks like freaking real life.

[HondaSIRowner]

Silverwolfe, you're absolutely right about the same level of perfection.

But Who the H3ll is this guy? R&C average is 9.2 or 9.3. Paid off by M$ for sure!

[Mwaan]

But his opinion has more weight than any of yours. He's a dev! He's worked on 360 and PS3. How many of you can say you've done that? Sounds like he's venting, and he's not the first one to do so concerning the difficulties surrounding the PS3. He's not trashing the console. If you read it, you'll see that he's responding to all the little fanbabies complaining about all the PS3 ports and such. Why should they put more resources into the PS3 version in order to make it run as good as the 360 version? Especially considering the installed base and attach rate of the PS3. Don't attack the devs. It's not their fault. They only have so much time and money. Be grateful that you get the games at all.

[Boldy]

Bubbles for you!

[Bloodmask]

It is true, The GPU in the 360 uses unified shading technology that will operate at almost 100% efficiency at all times. The RSX GPU in the PS3 does not, it will operate at about 60% efficiency.

It isn't a big industry secret that the "Cell" isn't a games processor. It is a server or multimedia processor. The SPU's primary purpose is for imaging of Bluray movies. Sony did not choose the Cell bc it is a great gaming processor, they chose it push their Bluray agenda. Sure it can run game code but not as well as it can play HD movies. Isn't it kind of funny how developers are constantly bashing the Cell? The Cell will spend it's life as a crutch for the RSX's shortcomings. That is for the developers that even take the time to use it. The only game I know of that the Cell is used to render graphics is Warhawk.

Not to mention most developers don't want to break down their gaming code into small fragments to run on the SPU's. Sony just wanted to have a processor that could render graphics. Much like the "Emotion Engine" in the PS2. They don't like paying other companies to make hardware for them. The Cell on it's own wasn't powerful enough so they added the RSX. The whole architecture is a programmers nightmare. Using CPU's to render graphics is nothing new, what do you people think PC's did before Graphics Cards were even around??

[unlimited]

omg..great we got someone who think they know everything about the ps3..lol.

[unlimited]

everyone know how the ps3 is hard to program..and its funny how so many devlopers say the ps3 is a powerful system..ill take their words then yours

[DarkArcani]

"They don't like paying other companies to make hardware for them"

Oh like IBM, Nvidia, Samsung, Toshiba.

Ohh no I'm wrong, sorry.

[Premonition]

You like posting the same old copy and paste crap, dont let me have to copy and paste a thing of my own that will make you look like an idiot.

[fenderputty]

MART, WillaimLBarker, bloodmask, cyber etc. etc. etc.

lol

[mirroredderorrim]

Blog post. Sony bashing crew approved. Good job.

As for that guy speaking up, I wonder how long he has had to get used to the hardware. I would like to hear from a developer of a potential triple A title such as someone from Epic of Unreal Tournament fame.

UT3 makes this guy look like an idiot. All you have to do is look at the screen shots and pretty soon play the game to see how much further ass-to-face looks like a dummy.

There aren't loading issues with PS3 games, the only game I have run into with horrid loading was F.E.A.R.

[yigmalsh]

but you are going to use a screenshot from a game you have never played as ammo to try and debunk a game dev???? take alook in the mirror.
its obvious the truth does hurt sony fans.....

[Darkiewonder]

Just a question O.o

[anh_duong]

the guy looks like jesus..

[scheme_a]

Coming from an actual developer, i suppose most of them are more or less true.

BUT

"why most ps3 exclusives will likely continue to suck"

This is just uncalled for. In recent memory, if i'm not mistaken, the only major ps3 exclusive that got horrendous review everywhere was lair, and it was mostly because of sixaxis control.

I'm not too sure where "continue" came from, but i suppose he only remembers ones that sucked.

[Real gamer 4 life]

This guy is a troll, he said that must frist party ps3 game will suck. What a troll.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

I don't know if he's right or not. All I know is that a lot of third party games do look better on 360 and a few of PS3's exclusives like Lair and even Heavenly Sword fell short.

Others were pretty damn solid like Resistance, Ratchet & Clank Future and Motorstorm.

Sony has always made great hardware, I doubt they made inferior trash they way this guy seems to be saying.

[cherdman]

Oh snap.

[Real gamer 4 life]

This guy is a nobody developer. developer all over are saying that the ps3 has alot of untapped power, hideo kojima himself a well respected developer described the ps3 as a theatre. Look at what developers like konami, naughtydog, insomiac and infinity ward are doing. and you can tell right of the bad that he is a troll by coming out and saying that all frist party ps3 game will likely suck in the future.

So how come nba 2k8 and call of duty play the same. this guy is a troll.

[tplarkin7]

The fact is that PS3 games don't look and play as well as 360 games. The 360 has proven to be more powerful. You don't pay $400 or more for excuses. You pay that money to play the best games, which are on 360.

[mistertwoturbo]

And when MGS4, Final Fantasy XIII, GT5, and even Killzone 2 comes out. What are you going to do then? Go play Scene it!

[mirroredderorrim]

You're lying to yourself and anyone else dumb enough to buy your lies.
On many ocassions people have said that PS3 games look worse, better or the same as Xbox 360 games. It's a 3 sided, count'em, 3 sided coin when it comes to the subject matter you speak of.

[Pain]

Lazy ass dev!!
back to the Acid Mines for Him...

[scrillakiller]

honestly i believe ratchet and clank heavenlysword killzone 2 mgs 4 and uncharted as alot more than this guy.argue that xbots.believe what you see is what i say

[timmyrulz]

THIS GUY WHO'S PROFESSION IS A GAME MAKER KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT CONSOLES WHERE AS EVERYONE ELSE DOES....................COME ON GET A GRIP OBVIOUSLY HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE.....

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Who Is this Guy???
Suzuki Sans protege???LOL

First off I own: Lair ,Heavenly Sword and Motor Storm.
All 1rst Gen Exclusives.
Compared to 2nd gen games on 360 they are Graphically superior,The Sheer size and scope is beyond Xbox 360's(limited dvd and cpu output)

Interms of game play & controls,different!yet very unique in many ways..But none the less something new,not same old console crap! That is the major difference that defines Next Gen..
Not Ports of PC games or PC spec type games you see on 360.

Lets see him port a exclusive PS3 game , when all SPE's are firing at 100% effeciency and 50GB blue-ray is maxed and sixaxis and rumble are fully used.

Sony try's hardest to innovate!!!
NOT imitate!!

Cheap dullard underfunded C++ programmers crying like babies. Go back to HTML ...lol

[AllroundGamer]

very well said, and i own a PS3 and a Xbox360 (i sold my Wii yesterday, it was innovative from the beginning, but the games were too casual for me as a normal/hardcore gamer...)

[omansteveo]

Its Hilarious how many people started bashing Halo 3 when it didnt even come up....i'll say this i dont know if this is true or not but there is some evidence i.e. Madden,NBA Live, and now Fifa Street and orange box having to be released 2 months later than the 360 version

[Dannagar]

These are truths about Playstation 3 development supported by the constant delays and inferior ports of Xbox 360 games. Time and time again, you hear this type of news from developers. Developers can tell you this until they are sick in the face and most of you fanboys will continue to deny it.

[mistertwoturbo]

yeah i agree it is the truth. but games built from the ground up will be graphically superior on the PS3 if it's made for the PS3. Do I really need to link a video to killzone 2? And is it me, or the "Gears of War has better graphics" card getting old. Fact is, Gears is the best looking 360 game ever. And a year later after the game is released. Gears is still the best looking 360 game ever. That's just... disappointing actually.

Because I have a 360 and a PS3 myself. And yes the PS3 ports are inferior to the 360. But most of them were launch titles, and most of them were developed in 2004-2006 where nobody had any knowledge of the PS3.

But there are a few nice ports that come to mind. Like Oblivion, and Colin McRae DiRT.

Fact is, PS3 has only been out for a year, with a much much more complex archictecture.

Now being a 360 owner myself, by saying "The PS3 will be graphically superior than the 360" actually really doesn't mean that the 360 has sh1tty graphics or anything. I think that's the common misconception that 360 fanboys are getting from PS3 fanboys.

The 360 has terrific graphics. It's just eventually the PS3 will catch up, and pass it. It's still has a lot more developement to go and it almost seems limitless. While the 360 has already hit it's cap with Gears of War last year. I still have not seen any 360 title, first party or 3rd party, compare to Gears of War. The only one that comes to mind is COD4. But in which brings us back to the point of ports or multiplat releases, on how the PS3 COD4 is supposed to be "Identical" to the 360, from a system more complex or "inferior" to the 360.

[Dannagar]

The Situation was no different Last Generation when the Xbox was more powerful than the Playstation 2. Though the original Xbox was more powerful, the average user couldn't tell the difference between most multi-platform titles. I do own a Playstation 3 for the occasional Master Piece. I felt that Gears of War was the Best Looking Xbox 360 title Last year but in my opinion, BioShock is better looking. Both are better looking than anything currently out on PS3.

I've seen Kill Zone 2. I'll wait until I play it before I make any calls on it. I thought Lair Looked good in videos unit I actually played it. To me, Graphics aren't good without a good frame rate. Lair Suffered from a poor frame rate. And though Heavenly Sword looked good in pictures and videos, it looked as though it were running at 30fps but it had really choppy animation.

[eagle21]

3 good examples of 5-15 million selling third party exclusive PS3 games that will look as good as they run. The best port was Oblivion...ran better on PS3 anyway back in April. The worst port..who the F&%$ cares...no money to u. PS3 by the end of this generation will have the most successful third party exclusives plus the better looking ones. Period. This statement is sooo 2007.

[THE_JUDGE]

this was a blog and shouldn't have been approved, N4G is cheapened because it was. Sad! Two this guy hasn't worked on anything and does as he's told. The proof is in the pudding and I see a nice big spoonful of R&C that contradicts anything he has to say.

[slugg]

Is that there are some definte facts here, but they are mixed with some obvious bias, so a little harder to beleive. But he is far from the first person in the industry to say the same thing-- John Carmack of ID and Gabe Newell from Valve, 2 very well known and well respected members of the development community have said much the same thing. Guess what- both are developing for the PS3. The point is, that games developed for both systems that are "started" on the 360 and then "ported" to the PS3 will always look better on 360-- look at the PS2 to Xbox games last time around. But developers that design a game for only the PS3, Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet, and Uncharted-- these games look fantastic. (on a side note, however, I still do not think that they look "better" than games designed for 360 only, Gears, Halo 3, etc.) Then we have the oft-mentioned COD 4. It looks and plays great on both systems-- but is basically 2 different games, one made specifically for PS3 and one for 360, that just look and play the same. If all games on both platforms were developed like this, you would notice fewer differences between PS3 and 360 versions. BUT, it costs more money and takes more time to do so. Sorry, kids, to let you in on this, but the videogame industry is about making money-- developers and publishers, as well as retailers, are out to make money. I know, its a big shock, but it is also why cross-platform games on PS3 and 360 ARE NOT developed separately in most cases-- it costs TOO MUCH MONEY for what they will get back. No one can claim the PS3 is selling as good as Sony hoped and predicted; so spending extra time and money to make a better version of a PS3 game is not worth it. Lets just hope that the PS3 versions of cross-platform games (the orange box, fatal inertia, etc.) that have been delayed are being polished up, not just pushed back in hope of larger install base....

[SacT0wnF1n3st]

People in gaming industry are bashing the PS3? SHOCKER!!!!!

[ShiftyLookingCow]

I might as well go and kill some chicken and eat some fried wings(yah the type that kills you in the long run, long live KFC). My brain is going asplode if I read any more of this.

[misterssippi]

Like it or not, EA developers have said it, Take2 developers have said it, Capcom and several others. I tend to believe them. The only other option is saying they are all just lazy, or sabotaging the ps3. There is no conspiracy, they are just trying to let the public know the facts, and let sony know that they need to do something to fix this.

[Bleucrunch]

who cares about this guy, he needs to worry about find a new job "former Harmonix dev" lol f@#$%*g prick.

[scrillakiller]

screw this guy.believe what u can see with ur eyes noobs

[slugg]

PS3 versions of multiplatform games being delayed, one after another, or being released with inferior specs (30 fps vs. 60 fps.)? Thats what I see... apparently something to this then, eh?

[PS3n360]

fanboys pwnd again. Y'all can dish it but cant take it. For the Sony ppl that arent fanboys..PS3 has got beautiful games out there that make this guys comments look uninformed and you dont care what he says. Game on!

[DarkArcani]

"Oh damn. PS3 fans just read it. Facts facts facts."

I stopped right there with you. I don't mind when you state your opinion, which you are entitled to. However, when you start claiming facts, you are no different than Nasim when he states facts. You and him are some of the biggest extremists on this site. It's the way you want to hear it and no other way.

I enjoy reading your "opinions," but when you state facts, you lose a lot of credibility. Your arguments have no balance. You state all positive and no negative (vise versa). That's why you get a lot of disagrees.

As for the article, what does this even mean. Straight forward, someone who used to work for Harmonix doesn't like the PS3. Claiming that the 360's resolution will/is higher than the Ps3's, well that was proven wrong over and over. It's hard to take him seriously when I see games like Ratchet&Clank and Uncharted. Especially R&C, which was completed in about a year with that much polish(not saying it is perfect though).

[shmee]

nasim is a game developer who actually knows. Mart is just a 32 year OLD fanboy. nasim is a fanboy too but he knows and his claims are always backed by VALID SOURCES

[DarkArcani]

But I was trying to paint a visual picture of two extremists. Nasim doesn't say anything bad about the PS3 and TheMart says nothing bad about the 360.

[kornbeaner]

You can counter pretty much everything he said.

"Uh, Blue Ray!"

"Great for watching movies, but not so great for games. Getting data off the blue ray drive takes about twice as long as it does to get the same data off the 360's DVD drive. That translates into longer load times, or god forbid if your streaming from disk, tighter constraints on the amount of data you can stream."

Granted that the PS3 Blu-ray is a little slower then the DVD drive, but with a standard HDD, some games will install a game cache to help with load time, yeah waiting five minutes for an install to take place can be a drag to some. But its a one time thing and load times are pretty good.

"But it's got a lot more space than DVD"

"Ok, you got me there - it does have a lot more space, and there is the potential to use that to do something cool, but thats unlikely to be realized in any useful way. There are tons of compression techniques available for data and I'd personally rather be able to get my data faster than have more of it. Most developers who use the entire Blue Ray drive are doing it to work around other problems with the ps3 such as it's slow loading - for instance, in Resistance: Fall of Man, every art asset is stored on disk once for every level that uses it. So rather than storing one copy of a texture, you're storing it 12 times. If you took that entire game and removed all the duplicate data, it would likely fit on a DVD without any problem. They do this to speed up load times, which, as I pointed out before, are painfully slow on the ps3. So in this case, the extra space is completely wasted."

Again for load times the PS3 has a standard HDD that can have a game cache installed and so what if some developers have to copy their data 2-3 times (12 has never been done, if you can prove me wrong with a link from a valid gamer website then I will take it as is) if it helps with load times and the games performance then whats the problem, if its okay for a a 360 game to compress data to fit and perform on the 360 why isn't fair game for PS3 developers to use the tools they have.
and a side question how many 360 games would fit on a DVD if not compressed?

"Why the PS3 version often pails in comparison to the 360 version, and why exclusives often suck:"

"As outlined above, getting equivalent performance out of the PS3 requires a lot of work unique to the platform, and in many cases, even with all these tricks, you still won't see equivalent performance. Thus, many ps3 games have simplified shaders and run at lower native resolutions than the 360 versions. On top of this, there is shrinking incentive to do this work; the PS3 isn't selling."

This is an Idoit remark, Games like Oblivion, all the 2K sports games and handfull of others, even though at times delayed a certain amount of time have looked just as good if not better then the 360 version.
Plus all games that are exclusive with the exception of Lair have been praised for somthing great that has been done and all have scored on the 8's and Rachet and clank is averaging 9's (with one exception, but no use in crying over spilled milk.). My favorite line is the part of lower resolution. last time I checked all PS3 games first and third party ran at no less then 720p. While the biggest game in all of Xbox history ran at 640p using the ana/hana chip in order to achieve a "real" resolution figure.

"The code needed to make the PS3 work is most likely only useful to you on the PS3, as the types of tricks you need to do to make the thing perform are very unique to the platform and unlikely to be useful on any other architecture now or in the future. These issues all stem from unbalanced hardware design, and any future hardware that is this unbalanced will likely be unbalanced in a completely unique way."

He started this article with trying to convince people that devlopers are not to blame. Well this line just didn't do it for me. IT's no big secret that the PS3 can not run the same code as the 360, there for making it "harder" to develop for. But this can apply to just about any type of programming. Windows code will not run on a Apple OS or on a Unix system and vice-versa and interchangeable. So what to do? code for the different OS's. Just like you have to program for MAC or windows, it would make sense that Code made for the 360 runs better on the 360 then the PS3 and vice-versa.

"Finally, there's the problem of resources. Game Development is, at it's heart, a resource management challenge. Given finite resources, do I have these five engineers work on optimizing the PS3 version to look better, or do I use them to make the game play better and fix bugs? Do I change my design to fit with what the PS3 hardware does well, or simply run the game at a slightly lower resolution on the PS3 to make up for it? Developers striving to push the PS3 hardware have often sacrificed their game in the process."

Again, its no big secret that the companies that Sony or IBM does not work personally have had issues with the programming so for that Sony take the full on blunt of blame, but the he continues and add "Lower Resolution" All PS3 games at least native 720p, Halo 3 640p using ana\hana to achieve a real figure. And how about we ask Hideo Kojima what "sacfices" he has had to make. last time I checked he was doing just fine and acutally wanted a bigger Blu-Ray disc.

"This post might come across as a lot of Sony bashing, but it's just the reality from the trenches. Sony let their hardware be designed by a comity of business interests rather than a well thought out design that would serve the game development community. They are going to loose hard this round because of it, and I hope that in the next round they take lessons from this round and produce a more balanced and usable machine."

The same thing was said about PS1, PS2 and now PS3 and guess what for third party developers there has been no bigger cash cow then the Sony brand. plus the title says it all "Former Harmonix dev. bashes PS3"
If you are not willing to try something new you don't belong.

[Marcellus Wallace]

What a hilarious read. Sony's got problems.

[wangdiddy82]

Why are some ports better on the ps3?? I heard dirt, oblivion, and Call of duty 4 all are better on the ps3.. This guy is talking out of his a$$.. He has no clue what he is talking about..

And why is heavenly sword, motorstorm, resistance, folklore, warhawk, and ratchet and clank all really awesome games???

And what games have you made for the 360 and ps3.. I think you were meaning any game Harmonix makes will likely continue to suck.. Instead of the ps3..

Dont be mad at sony that you guys are about to go out of business..

[DarkArcani]

Call of Duty 4 isn't a port. The devs made all three versions at the same time. This has been said on a gametrailers interview.

[InMyOpinion]

He has worked with both machines though. That's more than you can say about anyone in here. There wouldn't be 126 comments in 60 minutes on this thread if he didn't write something that had at least some truth in it...

[Myth]

every dev that said the oppisite is lying? IBM is lying too?

The SPEs of the Cell BE make it well-suited for graphics applications like gaming, image ... processing, and hi-definition TVs.
The Cell BE processor is a very powerful processing complex. Specialized programming techniques employed either directly by the programmer or indirectly through tools (like compilers) can pay great dividends toward application performance. Armed with the strategies and techniques outlined in this article, you can realize the full potential of the Cell Broadband Engine processor.

I think he's just lazy.

http://www.ibm.com/develope...

It is way too early to tell if the 360 ports will be better in the future. They have not programed mulit-plat games seperately, they are ported to the ps3 so of course they will be better. They just recently started to program seperately for both systems from scratch (COD4) (Assasins Creed).

[ip-student]

No one has ever said the PS3 isn't powerful. What a lot of people have said is that it is a terrible architecture. The fill rate is slower because of the weaker GPU and to make up for it you have to do a bunch of tricks that are likely to never completely make up for the lack of resources. The unbalanced design means that tricks to make the PS3 fly will be of little help in the typical balanced two, three or more core porcessor world.

So this guy basically agrees with Gabe that Sony screwed up. A lot of developers think the same thing. Now, that being said, it is still possible that Sony will do respectably this round. But it will be in spite of the design, not because of the design.

And just in case you think only the PS3 is going to be improved, I noticed a number of features on the XBOX 360 that haven't been utilized yet (or no one has talked about at least). So I expect another year or two of significant improvements for both machines. In the end my opinion is that the design Sony used is going to prevent the PS3 from ever being impressive compared to the XBOX 360 but people are creative so anything is possible. But I think the bottom line is that people waiting for a huge jump in the PS3 are going to be left feeling empty. It will probably require a very unique game to see much of a difference. AI, for example, will never be a PS3 strong-point - it sucks at out of order instructions. And please don't give me a list of games where you think the AI is great - the simple fact is that the PS3 is not powerful when it comes to OOO instructions. Creative programming can sometimes overcome this but it depends.

And all this talk about lazy developers is stupid - those guys want to put out something they can make money with and be proud of - the simple fact is that Sony has made it way more difficult that it should be. And that is purely Sony's fault.

[VirusE]

Ibm does have a vested interest in selling it's cell proc so hell yes the can be lying. I am not saying they are but they are 100% biased.

[Myth]

I've read about the AI and both PS3 and 360 were both reported as being challenged in this area. GPU when used with the SPE processors blows away the 360. But I agree that none of this matters if developers can't find a way to push the PS3. I agree that Sony should have made the PS3 easier to program for.

[tfur]

Your quote:

"AI, for example, will never be a PS3 strong-point - it sucks at out of order instructions. And please don't give me a list of games where you think the AI is great - the simple fact is that the PS3 is not powerful when it comes to OOO instructions. Creative programming can sometimes overcome this but it depends."

You have been fed a myth. The PPU has full branch prediction, and can handle out of order operations like any other PPC chip. The SPU's do branch prediction/hinting, and can also handle AI.

As a programmer, you would know that most out of order operations can be unfolded, when using matrix operations. Also, the octopiler compiler, that IBM has developed for the Cell also optimizes code.

Seriously, your belief is a myth...

[ip-student]

I didn't say the PS3 couldn't do out-of-order instructions, I said it sucks at it.

The PS3 (and the XBOX 360 to a lesser extent) sucks at out of order instructions because of the narrow execution core pf the PPE. It is using in-order CPUs to perform out-of-order instructions as are common in gaming code (you know, the type that includes branches, loops and pointers). All the game control, scripting, AI and other branch intensive code has to crammed into two threads and run on the PS3's PPE (because the SPEs lacks branch prediction capability) while the XBOX 360 has three cores with two threads each to handle this. And the PPE has been stripped of the capabilites that came with a MAC (such as cache).

Of course both can do out-of-order instructions, it is just that they both suck at it and the PS3 sucks more than the XBOX 360. Your typical Intel dual core would mop the floor with either one of them when it comes to out-of-order performance.

[tfur]

Dude, the PPE is a standard compliant PowerPC(23 stage pipeline) chip, with both L1 and L2 cache. Each of the SPE's have their own local cache as well. Not sure where your no cache info comes from.

Again, out of order operations can be dealt with, with matrix operations. I would suggest taking a look at the IBM research site, on how this is done in code, and in the compiler for SPU's. But if you insist, use the PPU.

Remember you have always have DMA access to/from SPU's. Many developers are sending AI to the SPU's now... and physics, and shader ops, and particles etc... AND again AI...

There is actually some interesting research on flocking algorithms using the cell somewhere...

[ip-student]

First - the PPE is not a standard PPE (not the same as what is used in Macs - it is a simplified and stripped down version designed to for in-order instructions. I am going to paste a quote from Wikipedia (I know, not a 100% accurate but easy to find):

Re the PPE:
"The PPE is the Power Architecture based, two-way multithreaded core acting as the controller for the eight SPEs, which handle most of the computational workload. The PPE will work with conventional operating systems due to its similarity to other 64-bit PowerPC processors, while the SPEs are designed for vectorized floating point code execution. The PPE contains a 32 KiB instruction and a 32 KiB data Level 1 cache and a 512 KiB Level 2 cache. Additionally, IBM has included a AltiVec unit[21] which is fully pipelined for double precision floating point and each PPU can complete two double precision operations per clock cycle, which translates to 6.4 GFLOPS at 3.2 GHz; or eight single precision operations per clock cycle, which translates to 25.6 GFLOPS at 3.2 GHz"

Re the SPE (which does not have a conventional cache - as I mentioned - nor does it have branch prediction capabilities):
"Each SPE is composed of a "Synergistic Processing Unit", SPU, and a "Memory Flow Controller", MFC (DMA, MMU, and bus interface).[23] An SPE is a RISC processor with 128-bit SIMD organization[21][24][25] for single and double precision instructions. With the current generation of the Cell, each SPE contains a 256 KiB embedded SRAM for instruction and data, called "Local Storage" (not to be mistaken for "Local Memory" in Sony's documents that refer to the VRAM) which is visible to the PPE and can be addressed directly by software. Each SPE can support up to 4 GiB of local store memory. The local store does not operate like a conventional CPU cache since it is neither transparent to software nor does it contain hardware structures that predict which data to load."

So the SPU lacks a cache (as it is conventionally used) and the PPE is a stripped down version of the PPE used in Macs and such.
So I stand by my comment that the PS3 sucks for out-of-order instructions. As you say - some of this can be compensated for during compiling and the power of the SPEs - if fed properly - can help a great deal as you can do software based prediction. But in the end you have a awkward architecture that is difficult to get going - but it can do some very powerful things once it gets going. I suspect we will see games on both machines that cannot be done on the other machine. The XBOX 360 will have advantages in AI and the PS3 will have advantages in physics and the number things on the screen.

Still - I appreciate the intelligent comments - even if we disagree on the results. Bubble for you.

[King2008]

Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (Rockstar) (13 million)
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (Rockstar) (12 million)
Grand Theft Auto III (Rockstar) (11 million)
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (Polyphony Digital) (11 million)
Gran Turismo 4 (Polyphony Digital) (8.79 million)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (Konami) (7 million)
Kingdom Hearts (Square-Enix) (5.6 million)
Final Fantasy X (Square-Enix) (5 million)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (Konami) (3.7 million)
Final Fantasy XII (Square-Enix) (3.68 million)

Most of these titles have games coming out in the next six months or so. I dont think that Sony is worried about this clown.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Stop with the Gears of War and Halo 3, Valve and Epic technology.
This is all PC engine technology.(I could just get a cheap Nvidia card for this stuff and be playing in no time with better than 360 specs!!!WHy bother.

Im a new nextgen Console owner(PS3) and I want Innovative Nextgen exclusive games!

Screw ports!(unless its Cheaper for me to buy)Seriously ports should be!

[PS360PCROCKS]

NEWSFLASH!!! This just in the PS3 is HARDER to dev for. If your trying to call this guy a moron you didn't read his blog. Lmao at some of you, you get so butt hurt. The PS3 is harder to dev for, and the install base is smaller so the return is not worth the extra work, that and their confused. If you disagree with this comment or this guy, your wearing some fanboy colored glasses, everything in this article has been known for a LONG time. The ONLY thing anyone could argue over is the "Pixel fill rate" being better on the 360, I am not a dev so I will leave that alone.

[ip-student]

Nothing new here - just basic facts. Bubbles for not being a fanboy.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Thank you. Bubbles back.

[4me2]

But what is the point of his blog??
We hear the same stuff over and over again.

Maybe the only reason is to bring traffic to his blog and make you aware about his new great, innovative company called "Conduit Labs".

BTW he is a musician that "taken up programing"

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

bubbles down for talking sh!t about fanboys, hurts don't it?

[PS360PCROCKS]

Right back at you Jason, you dipsh!t your the one who abuses the system.

[xionpunk]

I dont know what the hell fiil rates are but all i know is first party games like Uncharted are looking amazing. As for the multi platform game we'll have to see. I've heard other Devs saying (in interviews)the trend is gonna reverse eventually.

[zaything]

You call the comments stupid and uninformed and the make a stupid one yourself. Halo spits out frames at 640p how the hell are you combining the two frames to make one. Bungie said its 640p that means that there are to different frames alternating one at a time not combining thats retarded they still come out one at a time our eyes combine them because the carry image information for so long while receiving new images but each frame coming out is 640p. Frame 1 using lighting 1 frame 2 uses lighting 2 then frame 3 goes back to lighting 1. Mention its fun says its a great game with tons of features but don't make an ass of yourself calling people dumb and then following suit.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

But I will about the importance of what he said...or better put...the importance of "that he said it".

Look we can all debate which is more powerful, etc. Probably 99% of us wont change our minds no matter how many good / bad points are thrown from each side.

It is noteworthy though that this developer has publically spoken. It's noteworthy because ( although some hear would argue ) he has credibility in the industry when it comes to the eyes of Joe Public and the lessor informed press core, etc. Right or wrong...he has taken issue with the PS3 and felt motivated enough to publically post on his own blog site. That is a pretty powerful thing to do when we all know how volatile this industry and fans are when it comes to outspoken developers (...see Jaffee).

What this really tells me is.... Sony still has a major PR issue with some of the 3rd party developers. I could be wrong but I have yet to ever hear anyone crack like this on the 360 or the Wii in terms of the way you have to develop for it. Sure I have heard "it could only be done on this system" type comments...but none of the magnitude of "it stinks" kind of level which we read here. And he isnt the first...

This is an issue...and its an issue that Sony themselves really need to spend the time on to clean up if they can. Perception is huge...and perception right now is the PS3 continues to be a difficult machine to work with. Which translates down the pipes to the kids working at Gamestop, etc... saying "PS3 has worse games".

[stennexxx]

What a load of crap. Thats why he got fired. How can Sony, IBM and their partners invest 70 billion dollars on research only to develop a crap box please. I have been to IBM website and downloaded the information about the cell chip. It is incredible. Yes it will take time to really get alot out of it but at least Sony is not taking long to produce good quality games. Ratchet and Clank: Future would have taken till the end of the PS2 lifespan to come out. It is already before the PS3 has turned one. Incredible. The RSX chip was built to handle all the graphics so that dude needs to go re-educate himself.

[tfur]

His quote:

"I suspect a small number of PS3 only developers will optimize the hardware to do something cool. However, this will be an exception to the rule,..."

Love this:
"... If those will prove to be fun or not is another question."

The facts:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

I would not get too worked up over this guy. Other devs have already proven him wrong. Other developers will get up to speed as time goes on...

[DaEnforcer]

Yep a former dev, I think we all know now why he's a former dev haha and btw didn't Activision say just a few weeks ago PS3 is the most powerful console? Haha yep, a current 3rd party publisher said that. End of story

[sleepbox]

hmm...so what this guy among other people have said is that the cell is powerful but may not be the best chip for gaming? Is that right?

[aliveinboston]

Sleepbox, the only people who ever said the CELL is not good for gaming is Microsoft employee Major Nelson.

Other's like Carmack complain only complain that it is more expensive to develop for. He also was hired by Microsoft to give help design their Xbox strategy so that may explain why he complains so much about the PS2 and PS3 instead of making killer games like Ratchet and Clank: TOD which are 720P, 60fps and simply not possible on even the fastest PC CPUs.

As for Booth, he's just a confused mess. For example, he doesnt even understand what fill-rate is. He starts off talking about ROP performance, throws in a comment about shader performance and pixel pushing. Utter rubbish. Someone ought to tell him ROP performance is unrelated to shader performance.

The reality is as follows ...

The xbox360 is fairly easy to optimize and get maximum performance so, to greatly simplify game design choices in order to keep this relatively brief, the developers have to choose from the following:

A. Great lighting/textures but low polygons (Gears of War)

B. High polygons but mediocre lighting/textures (PGR4)

PS3, requiring more expertise to deal with it's more complex architecture, games will fall under the follpwing:

A. Low polygons and good (but not as good as Xbox360 option A.) lighting/textures (games that are quick ports from Xbox360 will be like this)

B. Low polygons but great lighting/textures (on par with Xbox360 option A. due to GPU optimization)

C. High polygons and incredible lighting/textures (due to CPU and GPU optimization)

With Uncharted, Lair (130Million polygon levels), Killzone2, R&C and GT5 Prologue, and even going back in time to the higher levels of Resistance Fall of Man, which look absolutely incredible (unlike the drab earlier levels) we have begun to see hints of option C. However, as many developers have already said, we really won't see option C. in full effect until late 2008 when developers have fully figured out how to use all the SPEs and get data in and out of the pixel processing beast of a GPU called RSX.

The PS3's biggest drawback is that, unlike the Xbox360, which has a simple streamlined architecture, it's just so damn complicated (lots of extra steps) to get stuff in and out of the processors. However the processors themselves are ridiculously powerful and efficient once they have enough data to chew on.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Oh I'm to late, like the games for the PS3 always late, damn. It's funny how Sony hyped up their machine's power only for reality to shoot it down.

[kornbeaner]

just as funny how 360 fans proclaim all genres of gaming belong on the 360 but they only show love (Money) to shooters.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

FPS/TPS all of the above, hell I would be happier if they got rid of everything and just left me with FPS. But...the world isn't perfect, if it were the PS3 woudn't be in such a sh!ty place and PC gaming would be number 1.

[kornbeaner]

and thats all well and good for you, but am not. I mean I like FPS's as well but I need more varity. I tend to like a bunch of eastern style games and thats why I tend to go along with Sony and Nintendo they offer more of what I want and if I do need a western fix, PC gameing is were its at. FPS's and RTS's are best on the PC leaving the 360 at least for me, DEAD!! until they can prove to have an overall better experenice then what I have now. And so far they have failed.

[feejo]

Lol that guy is a joke, he tell al kinda stuff but dose not give any numbers. Blu-ray is 54 mbps and dvd 360 is 36.55 mgps, so Blu-ray transfer faster.

[Snukadaman]

Dont blame devs....the blame falls mostly on sony with their shortsightedness on how the memory is distributed in the game. This guys mentions "people duped by marketing spin" because thats a great example of some of the people on here...and in all honesty...didnt everything he said was wrong about the ps3 right though..no where I see someone saying he is lying with his facts...Duped indeed.

[sak500]

GIve a donkey cart to ferrari driver and i bet he wont be able to drive it very good.

nuff said

[Blitzed]

I don't know what you're talking about, I drove your girlfriend pretty good.

Sorry man, but you left yourself open to that one.
Actually, now that i think about it, you probably don't have a girlfriend, or else you probably wouldn't love that console so much. So please remove 'girlfriend' and add 'mom'.

**I feel bad about the 'mom' comment; kinda like that buyers remorse you get sometimes, when you buy that game you dont really play, seemed like a good idea at the time

[sak500]

@blitzed

Damn i knew i shud have used protection when i fked ur slutty mom around the corner 13 yrs ago. But that 10$ job wasnt worth it as i can see now that you're out for revenge. She probably told u who your father was.

[Blitzed]

That's pretty gross considering my mom died over 17 years ago necrophiliac. LMAO she still charged you $10.

I hope you've learned you're lesson though and you ask Bill Gates to wear protection; or you can stick to screwing you're Xbox, you should be safe there if you unplug it (but being the fanboy you are, you already know that don't you).

Also, thank you, now I have no more of that buyers remorse.

[power of Green]

#1 lol, I'v notice Sony supporters will attack anything they can when somebody says something offensive about their prefered console. Shouldn't be that way.

Sony still has much respect in the industry more devs could come out but they don't knowing it would end the PS3 before it got started.

[marc 1975]

i feel that by the time ps3 reaches its full potential the next xbox will appear

[gaffyh]

he is a FORMER Harmonix dev, Uncharted and Ratchet look and will most likely play fantastic, and if I've been brainwashed by Sony's "great" advertising, I suggest you look at the hype that is Halo 3, it is a good game but it's not that great.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Tired of hearing about "future" titles. Ratchet and Clank certainly seems to be one of the first truly great hits for the PS3...but its a bit of a niche title. I dont know how widely popular it is (not too familiar w/ its history). Uncharted also shows promise.... but so did Lair, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, and RFOM... None of those games can be considered a great system selling title. Most were good games...but not considered to be great by the masses. Sony needs to get great games now...not later. I dont want to hear anymore about "future" games...no more buy it now and wait til 2008 for a great game.

Hopefully Uncharted will be that "must have" game that will truly sell systems.

[aliveinboston]

If you folks want to understand how crazy this guy is just read his line about how the PS3 games can only run good shaders if the resolution is low.

Here's a simple demonstration of how he has it all backwards:

GT5 Prologue demo (an in the process of being optimized PS3 game)
vs
PGR4 (an optimized XBox360 game)
The GT5 Prologue Demo (the demo of a demo as it's been called) has:

Twice as many cars/frame with
Twice as many polygons/car with
Much better physics/car and
Far better shaders (affects how realistic the cars look) at
Twice the frames/second

Resolution, folks, is simple how many pixels are being drawn. Pixel shaders determine how pretty each of those pixels will be. PGR4 graphics draws 921,600 pixels per frame at 30 times each second. GT5 is drawing 1,382,400 pixels per frame 60 times each second. Therefore,

PGR4 is drawing 27.7 Million well shaded pixels each second

GT5 is drawing 83 million really well shaded (photorealistic) pixels each second.

Booth's comments about fill-rate simply don't make sense both in theory and in practice.

[Wii60_FTW]

He outlined exactly why most 360 games look, play, and score better than most ps3 games. fanboys? get r@ped.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

ps3s graphics are like movies, so its a movie player only in that since, thanks for the comment on ps3s graphics capability though

[Wii60_FTW]

LOL NOP. Stupid fanboy.

[LeX]

Its funny how sony fanboys are like religious fanatics. They refuse believe actually facts that are right in front of their noses. The PS3 sucks. It's no longer a debate.

[shysun]

What is Harmonix?What games?

[Syko]

"Eye Toy" Antigrav, Amplitude, Frequency, Guitar Hero 1, Guitar Hero 2, Karaoke Revolution and soon to be greatest party game of all time...Rock Band.

Just cause you think this guy is a tool doesn't mean you should underplay the significance of Harmonix and it's games.

Funny all the fanboys in here ripping Harmonix a new one when they were drinking the Kool-Aid when Guitar Hero was "Only on Playstation"

Hypocrites....

[SofaKingReetodded]

a former dev who made gay ass music games, nigga puleeezeeeee.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

ps3s graphics display has brought movies to the gaming world, and in realtime playability, 180 cant do this, but the (former) harmonix developer is talking about the 360 comming out in 2011, 180=console, and ps3=supercomputer, just know that

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Another article was in the approval area and failed because too many felt it was spam/flamebait....but its relevant to what this guy said:

http://daveasbell.blogspot....

Another interesting take...more developers speaking out....and not in a good way about how Sony is supporting them.

[Hagaf22]

FORMER harmonix dev......

[The Ginsu Masta]

Of course the ps3 hardcore following are going to come out of the woodwork and claim"this guy doesnt know a thing"and blah blah blah...just like Greg Neville they say oh "He's a fat piece of sh*t,an he doesnt know anything"last time i checked your weight doesnt have anything to do with making a good game.So if Hideo Kojima comes out next and bashes PS3,i gurantee the PS3 faithful will say "Oh he doesn't know sh*t either.Lets face it a devolper knows more then the average person and the opinion counts more on the subject cause they work on the system,not just play the system.I love hearing people claim that the Ps3 is like a ferrari and the 360 is like a yugo...ya i can see how that is when alot of your games get delayed,or released months after the 360's have already hit the shelf,lets see Graw2,Rainbow six3,stranglehold,orange box,just to name a few.Yea i can see that ps3 is like a ferrari alright...only its dead on the side of the road.

[aliveinboston]

1) Which developers (people who actually write code) have bashed the PS3?

2) Never heard of viral marketing? It's used to spread FUD in everything from presidential politics to the game console wars. All big companies use it. Microsoft is simply the best at it. The whole "Major Nelson" thing was a masterstroke in marketing genius. Those very convincing looking graphs and tech talk was just enough to confuse millions of consumers. Brilliant. Typical Microsoft dirty tactics.

[Daves]

Marco proved the guy didn't really have his fact right. Technical ones anyway.

[Daves]

None of this matters at all.

Choose your platform, play your game - just as it has always been.

[test123123]

From this I will definitely wait for a BIG price drop before I get my P$3. :)))

[spectyre]

must be a master developer with a great knowledge of computers and the many various programs needed for programming... except spell check.

comity? try committee.

[felidae]

got me a new 360 today because playing Skate on the PS3 online is totally impossible ... and after playing Skate, Jericho, Fifa 08, Pro Evo 2008, Juiced, The Darkness, F.E.A.R. and Tiger Woods 08 for both systems i can safely assure that, even if i don't want to say it, the 360 versions all look better and run smoother.

when there are 3 monsters in Jericho the PS3 version sometimes drops to 15fps or below what makes it impossible to do some accurate shooting.

Skate and all the other mentioned games for the 360 run smooth as butter compared to the PS3 version.

so all i have to say is: PS3, i will only buy your exclusives from now on!

sorry for all the bashing against the 360 ... maybe i was wrong.

after 15 years in Skateboarding i was totally pissed about the online lags and framerate issues in Skate for the PS3 - now i'm happy with the 360 version.

after all, this guy talks BS. PS3 exclusives already prove that it's graphically imperior and Uncharted, MGS4, GT5 and Killzone 2 will show that even more.

give the PS3 a chance - but the 360 is a also a really good system.

sorry guys.

[Myth]

For people who like those games. I myself don't care for most of the 360 games out right now or I would have bought one myself. But I'm also don't beat a game then buy another one. Not into sports games and the only racing game I like is GT. The 360 games I would buy are Bioshock, Gears of War, and Mass Effect. Since I've beaten Bioshock and I'm getting Gears on PC cause it has twice as long single player and more multiplayer maps (PC is hooked up to my 1080p TV, looks great). So for me neither system has a lot of games I would buy right now. I'm sure that will change later. So I'll stick with my PS3 and PC for now anyways. Can't wait for Gears of War (PC), Assassins Creed, COD4, Uncharted, and Haze. I would definitely get the better version of multiplat now that you have both systems, but I would do your homework first cause 360 may not have the best version every time since devs are not porting some games (COD4, Assassins Creed, UT3)

[Elginer]

how brainwashed some people can be by marketing. I can understand if the PS3 was delivering but it's excuse after excuse. The system is floundering. You can accept it or not, I would be upset to if my system was collecting dust while I waited for games. But to keep believing all the PR stuff is just crazy. Yes go ahead disagree if it makes you feel better. I could care less.

It's always next year this, or when this game comes out wow you'll see. Prove me wrong...prove me wrong. I wanna see actions not words. By the way Ratchet and Clank is an awesome game, now if the PS3 can put out more games of that quality than people can start talking.

[Snukadaman]

Its quite sad when you read about this PES 08 framerate problem and some people say they enjoy it regardless of framerate problems that some people say affect the game timing....you buy a ps3 hoping no problems exist...but when you willingly accept these sort of problems then you deserve every problem you get...

[SofaKingReetodded]

that apologized up and down for MS when peoples 360's died on them?

just send it in and wait to play great games , was the line of BS you aholes kept spewing, hypocrites.

[DG]

Good read, assuming its true.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Hey cheapo Xbox360 fan boys go build your self a cheap PC/Console and call it,
Xbox360&1/2.

Since you got an Xbox cause your a cheapo and not technically inclined to see a Xbox360 is just that.
Here it is!
Xbox 360&1/2:
Geforce 8600gt=$80.00
Pentium Dual Core E2160 3.2(Over clocked)=$80.00
Motherboard=80.00

Now go play the same 360 games you own on XP,with better effects resolution and Frame Rate ..(Gears and Halo etc...)LOL
Sad MS has you all sucking their PC gravy..

PS3 is innovation not imitation Thats why I got one!
Nextgen not Mid-Gen!

[Elginer]

like these that make all PS3 owners look like tools, when their not. Good job buddy at adding to the problem and not helping the solution.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Props to you my friend for proper use of the word "tool" when insulting someone. I love that word yet you rarely hear people put it into play when describing someone of lesser mental capacity.

+bubble for you!

[SofaKingReetodded]

he's right on the money and it drives you idiots crazy.

some NOBODY dev vents about how much he sucks at parallel programming and you monkeys jump all over it like some sort of victory.

DESPERATE MUCH??

Ratchet and Clank says hi with a big middle finger to all you lame xbots.

[dale1]

what a twat he states ps3 games will be amazing when they learn to use all spus they are already better than 360 in some cases, and on a par with most recent games that have come out
get your broom back out and start cleaning the floor you loser programer my arse

[kvh22000]

said last week the ps3 was the most powerful console ever...I believe konomi has also stated this.

[djevolve]

most powerful, how? they want to sell products and they most likely got paid off. remember sony begging 3rd party games to please stay, please, sony will suck your d--k if you stay and support there piece of sh-t system.
You all are anti american if you support sony
go buy a toyota you trader.
For all you others buy american products.

[power of Green]

When somebody tells it how it is about the PS3 its "BASHING" when something's said about the 360 its the "truth" about the 360 lol.

[Game Crazy]

Last time I checked this guy has legitimate hands on experience programming for both the PS3 and 360. Every single person in this forum including myself can't say that. I'm glad he spoke his opinion. Maybe it will help some of us better understand why multiplatform games shine on the 360 in comparison to the PS3. Having hands on experience with both consoles I can honestly say that they both are pretty comparable in the graphics department. Both consoles will have good exclusive games that the other console doesnt have, and for right now at least the multiplatform versions tend to run better and have more features/better online on the 360. Instead of mindlessly bashing this guys blog why dont we use it to gather information to become better informed. I know when I want a multiplatform game I check the reviews and then decide which console to buy my game for. I did that last generation too when deciding between the PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube.

I am sure I will get some disagree's as I already have 1 person ignoring me for posting an honest opinion about DVD not being replaced by Blu-Ray or HD-DVD anytime soon. But rather than say this guy is biased, or Microsoft paid him, or Halo 3 is 640p, or R&C looks better than any 360 game, or he's fat, or he got fired... Try having an honest intellectual debate instead of just hitting disagree or taking away bubbles. Lets honor the spirit of this website instead of tearing it down.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I have 79 PS3 fans/Droids that ignore me but they are just puss!es that can't debate or they have just refused to accept the PS3s shortcommings and I like pointing them out.

[jcgamer]

I agree, excellent post, by the way...

[IntelligentAj]

Good point but it is his opinion though. He does have experience with both systems and he may be right but unless all the other developers start saying it then i'm inclined to believe the majority(Although I am getting pretty sick of waiting)

[Stiffler203]

You Sony Fans kill me you all act as if your Devs yourself. What grudge could this guy have against the PS3 you act like he is a PS3 hater. I'm pretty sure this guy knows what he's talking about and you all try to laugh it off and criticize the guy. I'm curious to hear what you all say a year or two from now when nothing about the PS3 has changed when it comes to games.

[zsscommand]

This article is pure flame bait, ugh.

[yigmalsh]

this guy obviously knows NOTHING about video games, and he is obviously being paid off by MS....just wait another year or 2 you will all see....

(end sarcasm)

[Rhaigun]

I don't hear much of this talk from other devs. We all know the ports are worse on the PS3. But, to say that all of the exclusives will suck? That's too far. We know better than that.

The only reason the 360 is the lead console for multiplats is because of development ease and install base. I only own the 360 now, but will be getting a PS3 when they turn it around. And, they will. I speak nothing but truth.

[solidt12]

When you get your PS3 you will see for yourself that the graphics are better and this is all nonsense. I love my 360 but the PS3 has more games for me from this point on. Halo 3 and Gears will always be next to my heart but Sony is the ones bringing all the great Exclusive games from now on, (NEW IP's everytime I turn around on the PS3)

[Rhaigun]

Why does everyone forget about Final Fantasy, MGS, God of War, Gran Turismo and the like? These are highly rated, million-selling franchises. To think Sony will completely tank is absurd.

[aiphanes]

How Burnout Paradise, GTA4, Haze, and Assasins Creed were or are done.

[power of Green]

I'm showing you an low quality video of an year old build of the game for 360 were the devs have figured out how to better use all three cores and it's 6 threads better than most devs.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Now I'm going to be drooling over it for the next 2 days.

[djevolve]

The proof is in the pudding, the proof is that ps3 sucks and they boasted so much, put your foot in your mouth ps3. this is why I didn't come back after ps2 because ps3 is bull and m$ is an american company and I don't support american haters.

[mgbass13]

The only "development" work this guy has done is "developing" hand jobs for all the other guys in the office. I hope he remembered to grab his "douche-bag fanboy of the year" award when Harmonix canned his ass. Bro, just cause you suck at your job doesn't mean the system you can't program for sucks. There are plenty of devs knocking PS3 stuff out of the park. Maybe you should send your resume over to Valve and join Gabe for a little one-on-one grab-ass action in the breakroom. I heard he's got a Master Chief helmet with the mouth cut out. Hmmmmmm......

[americanGTA]

*former

[mgbass13]

"m$ is an american company and I don't support american haters."

that's funny, all their stuff is made overseas.

[djevolve]

Still is an american based company.
I support bill, look at him he's a genius.
does alot in donations and is just a person that does care.
so yea I do think this company can admit there wrongs thats why they got a 3 year billion dollar replacement.
sony ps2 breaks all the time. I had 3; all broke. given one did fall on the floor from people tripping over the cord AND I had the OTHER TWO for a while and bought one when it first came out. you think they extended it's warrenty. no.
And you always had to take them appart and clean the lense cause it always said can't read disc

[djevolve]

He never bashed he showed a good comparison. you ever take college.
most likely not. He showed the differences. HE didn't say they suck. there gay or like the only thing ps3 fanboys do best; Sh-t out there mouths.

[mgbass13]

Yes, I have "taken" college, as a matter of fact, a$$wipe. Apparently you haven't, as you can't spell or use punctuation. Talk about $h_tting out your mouth...

[jazzmanb]

this is nothing new,and everybody in their right mind knows this already..like i stated countless times the ps3 doesnt do advanced shader techniques as well as the 360..the ps3 also runs at a slightly slower clock speed,and the ps3 isnt a very efficient gaming machine...every developer is going to start coming out and saying how bad the harware really is for gaming..in essence if sony could,they would start over minus the cell architecture..im sure microsoft wouldnt mind losing the rrod problem as well,as im on my third console,but i love microsofts customer service and game library..also can we please stop the bs about ratchet and drakes being impossible to fit on a dvd9 dual layered disc..its easily the biggest bunch o crap i hear on hear.in case you morons didnt know huge games like oblivion,bioshock,mass effect and the orange box[5 great looking games]fit on 1 single dvd,with plenty of room to boot...its called compression and quality programming..the problem with blue ray,is developers no longer compress the audio and tend to add more cgi[which isnt very next gen if you ask me]..realtime video is next gen,and you could put an epic 100 hour beautiful realtime rpg on a single disc..of course if its an eastern rpg,there well be a lot of cgi which takes a lot of data..simply put, blue ray is not for gaming,its not only not needed,but its slower,costs 4 times the amount per disc,and quite frankly POINTLESS,unless you love watching movies,because its awesome for movies..

[Sez]

i agree with you 100%. but all it does is fall on deaths ears. these sonyfanboy refuse to see he truth. it doesn't matter how many dev's say it's hard to develope a game with the same proformance as the 360. all sonyfans will say is. look at game like R&C,uncharted or MGS. but those games are exclusive. if you read instead of just post stupid comments. you would see he is talking about multiplat games as well.this wasn't the only dev to say this. there was another report just today. and all the sonyfanboy rushed in to block it from being approved. sonyfanbos have to go to extreme to block a negative report about sony. lol

[sandhawk]

first of all go get a proper job and life and btw ur such a buthead xbot fan boy

(time will crown the king) (ps3)duh

[TruthbeTold]

If a year from now third party games are better looking, and developers are no longer grumbling behind the scenes, or venting outright like this guy, then things will be alright. If not, then well, this guy deserves about 100 apologies from the ridiculous flamers on this thread who can't ever stand anything negative to be said about the PS3; and for whom no source could ever have credibility if what that source says is not supportive.

[DrPirate]

Ratchet's levels are huge, and load in 5 seconds.

Blu-Ray loads slower, but it's still fast enough for texture streaming. So it's all good.

[FirstknighT]

This is nothing new. Developers, media, and gamers have already shown much frustration. Developers have already given up on the ps3 and moved to greener fields. Top titles have failed in the sales department. The ps3 needs another price cutt. Maybe with the 4th price cutt it will start to gain some 360 speed.

[kornbeaner]

How is a system with only 11 1 million + seller in 2 years greener fields? Not to mention 6 of these titles are shooters. Where does that leave every other developer that doesn't make shooter (except for madden)? There is very little diversty amongest the top sales when it comes to the Xbox. 18 1 million + salers in the history of the Xbox brand. 8 are shooters (3 halo titles, gears, CoD2, perfect dark, lost planet and ghost recon (tactical shooter, but a shooter))
2 fighter, both of them are Dead or Alive titles. 1 racer which is project gotham for the orignal Xbox, 7 more titles that fit every where else. (dead rising, crackdown, saints row, Star wars: KOTR, the first splinter cell, madden 07, fable)

Thats not what I would call greener field my friend, Maybe more tempting because of the 11 million installment but for a 2 year old system thats not that great considering nintendo has already surpassed them in less then half the time.

[TylerDurden]

That's pretty impressive for a system that isn't quite 2 years old.
http://vgchartz.com/games/i...

Even if you consider Crackdown a shooter(I don't) that puts 11 out of the 25 as shooters. That ratio isn't too bad. Sony's shooter/million seller ratio is 50%. Granted there are only 2 million+ sellers on the system right now. However if you take a look at upcoming potential million+ sellers for the PS3 quite a few shooters as well(KZ2, UT3, Haze, COD4) From some of the trailer footage I have seen from Uncharted it could almost be considered a shooter as well.

[FirstknighT]

The 360 is at 12.2 million. And yes the 360 has shooters but it also has BIG variety of other games that has done well. The best racing games in Forza 2 and PGR and top notch RTS games like Command and Conquer and soon to be huge hit, Halo Wars. I'm guess your a Nintendo fan and I'll admit that they are kicking some serious booty, but the Wii is nothing exciting. Just a hot toy for the kids to have like the tickle me elmo. But if your talking the ps3....well most of their games are shooters too.

Bottom line is that the 360 is all about the gamers and we buy games. The ps3 doesn't know what it wants to be. Resistance 1.7m and Motorstorm 1.4m??? That's pretty low. Perfect Dark Zero hit similiar sales compared to those two. Heavenly Sword, Lair, and Eye of Judgement are all completly different from your typical shooters but those games bombed big time.

[mgbass13]

Jazzman - While I disagree about blu-ray being pointless - there is plenty of evidence out there proving the contrary - I find it refreshing that you actually sound like you know what you're talking about.

[UltramanJ]

Outside of PS3 owners that have sold their soul to Sony, I think most will find that this guy must be right. Especially when you factor in the delays for PS3 versions, the often heard grumbling of developers doing PS3 work, and the fact that PS3 versions are almost always inferior to the 360 versions. This could also be an indication as to why the PS3 takes forever to get a demo.
The Sony devotees will write this guy off, but like it or not this guy has experience making games on the PS3. This guy is backing his comments up with information. The poo pooers have nothing to base their opinion on other than their own wishful thinking. Now let the Sony loyalists start their baseless disagreeing.

[MikeGdaGod]

"The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance."

can someone name one game on the 360 that runs native 1080p @ 60fps???

[The WildAttorney]

Virtua Tennis 3 runs at native 1080p at 60fps on Xbox 360.

[MikeGdaGod]

no 360 game runs native 1080p @ 60fps

http://www.n4g.com/News-725...

360 does have games that run native 1080p, two in fact. 360 has plenty of games that run 60fps. but no game runs both at the same time. PS3 has two and one was a launch title. Ridge Racer and Ninja Gaiden Sigma

not trying to be a fanboy, just stating facts

[mgbass13]

I think he makes some valid points, but claiming "all PS3 exclusives will continue to suck" is absurd. I think that is the main thing that's pi$$ing the Sony crowd (me included) off.

[Raptors]

Wow. I don't want to hear anyone (Nasim, Allan Wakker, Jin Kazama, etc) say anything anymore. Both systems are good but they both have their challenges....

[jazzmanb]

hey scotty there are three games currently on the 360 that run at 60 fps at 1080p...its really not as big of a feat as you think it is..in fact its easy to program racing games at that level...fps are a lot harder...but hes right eas skate runs at a much lower res on the ps3...in fact the ps3 version looks blurry compared to the 360 version..also games like madden look and run far smoother on the 360..60 fps at 720p..i think on the ps3 its 30fps at 720p..also if you have a tv that supports 1080p,halo3 can upscale and looks freakin breathtakin at that res...the 360 upscaler can upscale to 1080p on most gamers,and yes even though its upscaled,it still renders the games engine at the 1080p output..many people are confused on how a true upscaler works..

[codeazrael]

He did what was the equivalent of what politicians do when they make a major f*ckup, he was given the opportunity to step down so he as well as the company could escape humiliation. I mean could you really see Sony releasing a statement saying the "father of the playstation" was fired because he f*cked up with this cell processor bullsh*t? I also love it when politicians say they are quitting their job to spend time with their family??!! LOL...........how many of you quit your job to spend time with your family??? For no good reason besides the obvious at that? I'm sorry devs are having such a hard time because of Sony making them jump hurdles like they're Carl Lewis or something. I guarantee you one thing, Sony will take the only road they can to recovery, and that is release a PS4 alot sooner than people anticipate......BET ON IT! P.S. Does this pic of my @ss look tasty???

[MRMagoo123]

Another sad little man trying to get attention cos he feels left out now hes been sacked.Ill tell u right now if this was about the 360 i would say the same thing.Anyone who thinks this is true are just taking anything negative ps3 they can get to make themselves feel better its lame.How did this get through anyway.Why did someone think that the ranting of a bitter little man would be worth putting on here.If this sort of stuff is allowed on here does that mean i can go to xbox haters sites and post all the negative lies thay put on them cos this guy is in direct competition with ps3 now.Also havent there been devs that have said that the ps3 if capable of alot more than the xbox are they wrong but this guys right.

[brothersimon]

PS3 Fanboys get mad.

Classic. makes me lolz

[cmrbe]

I am not gonna say he is ugly or he is a disgruntle ex employee but i can say for certian that he is wrong with regards to PS3 exclusive being suck graphically. If anything the PS3 exclusive are getting better and better. Perhaps he is right that Sony duped us to believe that the PS3 is superior but games that i have played like Motorstorm,HS,Lair and RC has convinced me that the PS3 is at least an equal. I have played my friends x360 but to be honest only gears and bioshock can compare to these 1st gen PS3 games graphically imo.

[travelguy2k]

of the buy american attitude! Let me ask someone who knows, cause i'm not 100% on this, but where does Microsoft send them for repair? I'm not saying its bad to buy american. But the buy american argument has some flaws.

If i remember wasn't it like India or somewhere other than the USA???

I stand corrected.

[Boldy]

My 360 got sent to Mccallen (I can't remember how to spell the city but it's sumthin like that) Texas.

[UltramanJ]

He mentioned that hopefully Sony will learn from their mistakes and build their next system better.
It's a fact that when the 360 was being built Epic showed M$ a comparison of Gears of War running with 256meg of ram and Gears running at 512. M$ literally bumped up the ram because they listened to Epic's recommendation, and I respect that.
Sony on the otherhand was arrogant (they've changed their tune since), and built a "computer". Next time they should take some input on what developers want and build a better machine for game development.

[Jinxstar]

All I have to say is. Wardevil... If it's not just vapor ware I have never seen anything better... Ever... And didn't the Dev's cancel it on the 360 saying it wasn't powerful enough.... Soooo seriously. God of War 3 will come out one day as well... I don't see WTF this guy is talking about... There are plenty of good games on the PS3 and Next month even more.

This doesn't mean the 360 is a POS or anything. Bioshock is a good game. Halo 3 is really popular despite a few issues... Every game has issues... Personal opinions being posted as news are stupid. To each his own. Now go play Ratchet and Halo guys. This tard is not worth the time to post about. Almost as stupid as Analysts spouting their opinions all over the place...

[xg-ei8ht]

Bioshock is a sweet looking game, texture wise, lighting is nice. But other then that. I wasn't impressed, and i played this on a top of the range pc.

I would however given it a 8.9- 9.1 out of 10.

But you don't need a powerhouse to run that game.

[gololo]

i think ports are harder to do on the PS3 simply because when the devs start doing it, their mindset is probably around the architecture of a pc or the 360 (which are similar) and not the cell (which is completely new) so yes, porting between PC and 360 might be quicker because the architectures are similar...but to the PS3 it's another story...I bet you that if we take an exclusive game developed exclusively for the PS3 and port it to the 360, I assure you it will be a monstrous task. So, yes, the multiplat games will not shine extremely in any of the plats...however exclusives WILL shine (i.e. Halo3, GeOW, Warhawk, RC, Uncharted, etc)

[MRMagoo123]

Everyone knows this guys full of crap the only diff is xbox fans dont want to say it ps3 fans do

[Sez]

again sonyfanboys just don't get it. yeah most exclusive will look good on the ps3. but those are dev's that spend more time and resources just to get the proformace out of the ps3.he is mainly talking about multiplats for both systems.you guys keep bringing up exclusives like R&C,uncharted,MGS4. but think about it. if those games were multiplats. then 9 out of 10 they would look better on the 360.

[Xi]

Yes the ps3 is stronger than the 360 but not as much as that which sony has be implying.

the only things I really agree with is how much of the Sony fanbase have been duped, if you honestly believe that the ps3 is loads of times better than the 360 think again.

Xbox showed off it's prowess from day one when competing with the ps2, pgr/doa3 were by far the best looking console games at their release. Ports were much better on the 360 and the exclusive titles like Ninja Gaiden were unmatched.

If the ps3 is really that much stronger than the 360 it should've also shown it's power from day one, specially since it was supposed to be released at the same time as the 360, meaning, developers had sony dev kits for just as long as they've had 360 dev kits. the first gen vs second gen bs doesn't work, and they would've had more time to work on games.

Yes it's potentially stronger, no it's not nearly as strong for gaming that sony made it seem, and no it wont make the 360 look obsolete.

also, to those that are citing his credibility, he left harmonix to start up turbine games, known for producing the LOTRO. I think he knows a little something.

[CaliGamer]

What is funny though is that the way he is talking is like the progress in development that they make with exclusives won't be shared with other developers, that is the only way his comments make sense. Not to mention games like Uncharted, Rachet, and Killzone2 to name a few look fantastic.

Maybe he wrote this blog a while ago and just released it because reality doesn't support his views. Good read for fun none the less.

[Silver360]

Gpu is under powered compared to the 360's. Only thing to do though is wait and see what happens when everyone feels free to talk. ie they have no money riding on either console.

[DFresh]

You guys are so wrong
and
this guy is so an Xbot.
Sony has a lot they need to work on
but
no console is really perfect when it starts off especially
w/
new technology as advanced as the PS3.
Sony will surprise us it just a matter of time.
I always heard w/ patience comes success
besides they have a lot of great games coming out soon
plus
a flawless 2008 line up.
What I mean by patience is it will eventually work itself out.
ex.
The new Ratchet & Clank game people have been waiting for years to get this game and both Insomniac and Sony both delivered w/ 10's across the board.
You gotta admit that's a great start.
and
F.Y.I:
The Xbox 360 graphics aren't really that superb anymore as you can tell from recent games.
ex.
1. GRAW 2
2. Elder Scrolls Oblivion
3. Virtua Fighter 5
4. Dirt
5. Burn out Paradise
the list still continues...

[power of Green]

Agreed.

I don't know why Sony fans keep fighting it...

PS3 exclusives are bland in color (powdered quality color vibrance)painted looking textures with poor bump mapping and cartoony often not running good. KZ2 uses some sort of trick where it looks fine untill you get close to something then things look like pixelated Nintendo games. GT is just a racer with nothing going on but cars driving on a track often in open tracks.(cardboard looking tree's, painted looking sheets cross sectioned).

[Armyless]

I'm going to drink beers with my friends instead!

[JokesOnYou]

yeah right, actually you can sum up this guys whole blog post in one statement= PS3 IS NOT OPTIMAL FOR GAMING, and you kids need to learn how to use "deductive reasoning", when someone says something is not the best design for a particular purpose (in this case gaming) it does NOT mean that therefore everything made for that product (in this case everygame) will be inferior to the "better" product (console). Which is why he made this statement:

"I suspect a small number of PS3 only developers will optimize the hardware to do something cool. However, this will be an exception to the rule, and will likely involved game designs that are specifically designed for the hardware and funded by Sony."

This is going to be sony's achilles heal this entire life cycle or for the time it matters the most (next 2 yrs). Yes there will be some great ps3 exclusives like R&C, still there a some notable games where even sony devs still look like they are having a uphill struggle with the best example being Lair, that game took a long time and had alot of funding behind it, yet the results were very dissapointing= thats no fluke, add in that most big hype games for ps3 are delayed, and 3rd party stuff is *usually better on 360, hell even PES'08 which was dev on ps3 first is better on 360,= all this points to efficiency problems for the ps3.

Its a bitter pill to swallow but its TRUE the ps3 architechture its going to cost more money and more time for 3rd party dev's to equal what the 360 does with ease. How many of them are ready to make that investment, when they know full well the ps3 smaller install base and lower attach rate is going to produce LESS PROFITS for the SAME GAME they spent MORE MONEY TO MAKE. This is why you are going to continue see more AAA games on the 360 compared to ps3= 360 is the better gaming machine.

JOY

disagree all you like sonykids, but if you took off your ps glasses for 1 minute you might just see right through that hypnotic sony spell

[IntelligentAj]

Are you people forgetting that the console has been out for half the time as the 360. Of course the games are going to look worse because there is a lack of experience with programming on the PS3(which is typically expected when a new console comes out especially if it's new hardware). This is all about learning curve and I think that's a problem that can be corrected with time. I like the idea of the cell but I don't think it was practical for their situation NOW!!I have no doubt that as they attain more experience working on the system the games will look better and dev. problems will diminish. On Lair failing:I have only seen 1 ad for that game and that in my Maxim magazine. Sony screwed up royally with the Marketing(as those who don't pay attention to the console could barely name 5 or 10 games that are out for the system). If they marketing their games better that would help stop the bleeding they are currently experiencing.

[JokesOnYou]

was superior to ps2 and from day 1 and in almost every multiplat game it showed, ps2 only beat xbox where it mattered most dev support=larger game library= which is why it easily had the largest market share. This time around sony got it wrong they increased the spec's only to make ps3 slightly more powerful than the 360, but they didn't optimize the architechture with dev's in mind (Gaming) which is was the whole emphasis micro had in mind with the 360. So now they still dont have the best GAMING CONSOLE and NOW their LAST GEN STRENGTH which was dev support is no longer in their favor. Dont be so naive, just the idea that its taking so long for this "mythical" superior hardware(ps3) to produce superior results is an indication its NOT OPTIMAL for gaming= COMPUTERS PROVE ALL THE TIME THAT YOU CAN MAKE SOMETHING MORE POWERFUL AND MORE EFFICIENT, sony chose the "other" way=

JOY

[hardcorehippiez]

from what i can see the ps3 install rate is rising and while it may not catch the 360 for a while it will still get 3rd party support simply because when it reaches the 10 million mark no software company in the right frame of mind is going to ignore that potential custom.also saying this as i have said many times the 360 is definately in a better shape than its predecesor even with its rrod and such because the games are selling it, however as sony gets more games out that wont be as much of an issue as it is now.3rd party devs will have a lot of hard work in front of them if they wanna compete with 1st and 2nd party dev for either system.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

My reaction = Lawlz

[jazzmanb]

the ps3 is what we thought it was..its a console that gives gamers an option if the 360 doesnt have the games their lookin for...but the gamers that bought sonys e3 05 hype on power,and how the xbox360 was only xbox1.5,must fell ripped off..like i said countless times,if you like the ps3 games library thats all that matters,and if you like the 360s lineup,then be happy with the 360..just know that the 360 is the slightly more powerful machine..there are no if ans or buts about it..how you guys still dont want to believe the obvious is hillarious i must say..

[jazzmanb]

the ps3 is what we thought it was..its a console that gives gamers an option if the 360 doesnt have the games their lookin for...but the gamers that bought sonys e3 05 hype on power,and how the xbox360 was only xbox1.5,must fell ripped off..like i said countless times,if you like the ps3 games library thats all that matters,and if you like the 360s lineup,then be happy with the 360..just know that the 360 is the slightly more powerful machine..there are no if ans or buts about it..how you guys still dont want to believe the obvious is hillarious i must say..

[fredy]

"Whats everyone so upset about?
Last time I checked this guy has legitimate hands on experience programming for both the PS3 and 360. Every single person in this forum including myself can't say that."

In case anyone missed it..Ps3 fanboys bitter about the reality of their prized console. Eventually you know the truth will come out, It's good to know devs that have worked on both platforms and really have nothing to gain or loose saying like it is. 1st party developers will never spill the truth..or at least tell it like it is.

So far I've seen

*jokes about the guys looks.
*He is paid by MS(I knew that was coming)
*he doesn't know anything (yet he has worked as a programmer)
*oh yeah what an idiot
*this guy is so an Xbot.(haha funny they believe what they create)
*some swear they know more(looks at the comments, sighs..)

" PS3 misconceptions and spins" brought to you by Ps3 fanboys everyday on n4g.

Like they say yes the Ps3 is powerful but was it built for gaming in mind...imo It did not. it was built as a Video player because of that the games and developers will suffer.

just not sure how long, which gives the 360 an edge in game development.

"SONY" ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE"

[MRMagoo123]

Has anyone looked at the unapproves this got how did it get approved ???????

[Saint Sony]

Just because all the PS3 fangirls went into panic mode and reported it as LAME does not mean it is lame.

It is blog of the former Harmonix game dev, it is much more interesting than some odd gamer blog who says Lair is absolutely brilliant and bashes rest of the consoles.

Truth hurts I know, but hey this man has some experience. We want to know what he says.

[Saint Sony]

That blog hurts.. OUCH! Truth hurts big time..ouch!

Well, actually this was not even news, we all know what PS3 is.

[fredy]

"Ok, fine, but the cell is like, super powerful"

In theory, sure, but in reality it doesn't work out that way. Game code simply doesn't split well across multiple processors. You can probably find a way to split a few things off fairly easily - put the audio on one processor, animation on another; but generally the breakup is always going to leave several of the SPUs idle or underutilized. On top of that, it's usually not CPU speed that restricts the visuals in games -

Ive been saying this all along the cell's spu's will never work like it is suppose to splitting everything across each spu. There is going to be some redundancy there. technically like sony has been saying it might take a long time even 4 years to see much since not everyone is or will be on the same page.

"SONY" ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE"

[360Crusader]

Awesome post. Very good article.
And I gotta say to Sony is PROVE IT.!! I'll believe it when I see it.
I'm not so stupid as to accept everything a corporation says.
Reputation alone, will only carry you so far.

[JokesOnYou]

blogs from any no name person should not be posted, however blogs from a developer can be posted= its not up to you sonykids to decide this isn't news, under the rules its legit= you CAN choose not to read or believe him= anyway its old news, moving on.......

JOY

[RudeSole Devil]

First off Guitar Hero is far form a next gen game considering the magnitude of physics and different effects with in a 3d world, so why in the world a programmer need to worry about Parallel Processing on a Guitar game (not trying to bash Guitar Hero). Second this developer stated that the fill rate was significantly lower on the PS3, but on the contrary the PS3 has a Maximum pixel fillrate: 4.4 GigaPixel per second (8 ROPs * 550 MHz), while the Xbox 360 has a Maximum pixel fillrate: 4 GigaPixel per second (8 ROPs x 500 MHz). The most important factor when programming a video games is the Maximum Dot product operations per second. 3D games are all about Vector and Matrix Math, so the faster the calculations can be performed the better of for the game performance. This is just an example, and the PS3Maximum Dot product operations: 51 billion per second [8] and Xbox 360 Maximum Dot product operations: 24 billion per second. Its simple DO THE MATH.

[Saint Sony]

So you say no games needs any shaders. Good luck with your vectors man.
No wonder PS3 games looks mediocre.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

well its automatically a fact that ps3 is the best graphics producer since the cell is the same chip sony uses to make their movies, so that automatically throws the dumb comments out of the windows, and multiplat games arent even tickling the ps3

[fredy]

"well its automatically a fact that ps3 is the best graphics producer since the cell is the same chip sony uses to make their movies"

[Saint Sony]

ok that was the best one ever.

You think Sony and their damn cell makes the movies?.. and all the FX in them?..HAHA HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA

And the best special effect Oscar goes to Aizen Sozuke and his miracle chip!

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

want proof?

http://media.ps2.gamespy.co...

watch this whole thing, and you will see i aint just talkin sh1t outta my head son

[UltramanJ]

That some of you think you know and understand the hardware and capabilities of both systems better than a real life developer. I mean, the guy only makes games for a living while you're stocking shelves at WalMart right? How could he possibly know what he's talking about?
Oh, and before Guitar Hero, Harmonix did Frequency and Amplitude (great game) for the PS2. Calling this guy an Xbot is ludicrous considering he's most likely been developing games for Sony for years.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

hes saying things that are very off the wall compared to what sony has briefed about their machine, so i cannot prove it factual

[solidt12]

The part about copying data across the Blu-Ray is true for some games like Oblivion which is a huge game, But there are more game on the PS3 running at 1080p than on the 360. This is a fact. So that part is garbage. I have a PS3 and a 360 and So far 80% or more of the games looks way better on the PS3, this is a fact and if you don't believe me search this website or try it your self.

[Silver360]

If you have less details and data to put on the screen?

[joydestroy]

why do bitter devs decide they need to bash consoles? makes no sense.

[solidt12]

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[Cynical-Gamerzus]

123 - Build a Cheaper better Xbox360 PC lol
Hey cheapo Xbox360 fan boys go build your self a cheap PC/Console and call it,
Xbox360&1/2.

Since you got an Xbox cause your a cheapo and not technically inclined to see a Xbox360 is just that.
Here it is!
Xbox 360&1/2:
Geforce 8600gt=$80.00
Pentium Dual Core E2160 3.2(Over clocked)=$80.00
Motherboard=80.00

Now go play the same 360 games you own on XP,with better effects resolution and Frame Rate ..(Gears and Halo etc...)LOL
Sad MS has you all sucking their PC gravy..

PS3 is innovation not imitation Thats why I got one!
Nextgen not Mid-Gen!

[aliveinboston]

GT5 Prologue demo pixel rate: 83 Million/sec

Forza2 pixel rate: 55.3M sec

Not even close.

Add the fact that GT5P is drawing twice as many cars with much higher quality shaders ... well, you do the math.

I'm a little puzzled by the Xbox360 fanboys who've come out of the woodwork to support someone who doesnt even understand modern graphics technology (poor idiot thinks RSX and Xenos have pixel pipelines!) and an unreliable piece of junk with outdated technology that passes for a next gen game console.

Xbox360 fans. It seems Microsoft lied to you. They told you each game would be 720P, 4xMSAA, didn't they? The reality? Some of the biggest games, ones theyve spent years and years developing, arent even high def and have either no AA or 2x. You also got a crap DVD drive to go along with that cheap standalone unit that you already own! Now you have two crappy, outdated, DVD drives! Face the reality ... you got duped. No matter how much you bash the PS3 or Wii, it wont change the fact that you got ripped off big-time.

But something tells me you like getting ripped off. You will pay extra for those Forza2 tracks that they cut out of the game at the last minute in order to sell it to you as bonus content on Xbox live after you already payed full price for the game, you like paying for online, you like paying through the nose for low capacity hard-drive upgrades and memory cards, and the list goes on ... you even like paying $60 for games that arent even High definition!

Good luck with life!

[SDS Overfiend]

You sound like a PS3 fanboy who does'nt have any games to play.

whether or not i have to pay 400 ms point to extend more life into a game with a robust life span is still more gaming than you will ever see this year on the WaitStation 3. Stop hating you think GTHD4 won't do the same thing? Wake the fuk up.

This dude know what he's talking about. He's only saying what other developers are scared to say Waitstation SUX!!!

BTW he was the art designer for Star Wars: KOTOR one of the greatest games to never grace the DelayStation. You fanboys better pray a part 2 don't come out.

[Death]

Forza 2 is an outstanding game. I'm not sure where the hate is coming from, maybe you haven't played the game? The Turn 10 guys did a great job with the game. Instead of focusing their resources on making the prettiest game on the planet, they made one of the most realistic sim racers in the market. GT has always been a great franchise, but I don't see how a non-existant game is constantly being compared to a game that many people are already playing. Once GT hits the PS3, then feel free to make all the comparsions you want. If GT has half the feel to it that Forza 2 has, they will have one hell of a game.

What games on 360 are not in HD? All games are HD on the 360 as well as the PS3. Please don't get started on upscaling, because I don't know of any games that do not use hardware or software upscaling in the development process. How can games on the 360 look, play, and get better ratings than their PS3 counterparts yet still be considered anything but what they are? It blows my mind that one year into the PS3's life cycle it still has not achieved what Xbox 360 has and people still say it's better or going to be better...

I don't know about you, but I'm playing games today and having fun doing it.

-Death

[b777conehead]

to loll ps3 is junk lol
your totaly wrong you can use multiple cores for audio on one video/graphics one for a/i are what ever is decided to be used for that cell are that core then goose to the output module like to the video card the card display the info from the work the cell did . look at what naughty dog did with unchartered and from the devs that take there time to research the cell and how to write code for it but your wrong the cells do there job i work on high tech electronics, and sonys concept with the cell is very good thing

[aliveinboston]

Seems I hit a nerve. Truth hurts doesnt it?

[theoneandonly]

In terms of games, PS3 is getting its ass kicked all over the place.

Seriously now, the PS2 was my primary console last generation with the XBOX a very close second due to some sweet games like Jade Empire...

This time around, the XBOX360 is my primary console with the PS3 very much a way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaay distant second console.

I'm trying to think of all the PS3 90 and above "CRITICAL ACCLAIM" releases, and I can name them on my hand!

FF13, MGS4, GT5(maybe?) DRAGON QUEST & RATCHET & CLANK (just barely) if it keeps in the 90s.

Notice I was counting GAMES that aren't out yet too, and "WHITE KNIGHT STORY" which I expect to reach 80s!!!

But the XBOX360, let me see just here right now....

CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED GAMES:

HALO 3, FORZA MOTORSPORT 2, HALF LIFE: ORANGE BOX, GEARS OF WAR, BIOSHOCK, VIRTUA FIGHTER 5 ONLINE, ELDER SCROLLS 4: OBLIVION, MASS EFFECT if it keeps the momentum up, and SPLINTER CELL: CHAOS THEORY + CALL OF DUTY 2.

That is 10 games or TRIPLE what the PS3 has in its same lifespan, and the latest Virtua Fighter is simply superior in every way to the PS3 copy as it has ONLINE DOGFIGHTING. The sales of the other one will truly suffer due to that!

That's not even counting all the 80 or above games, or that average 80 like BLUE DRAGON, ETERNAL SONATA, the GHOST RECON ADVANCED WARFIGHTER SERIES, Puzzle Quest CHALLENGE OF WARLORDS (this game averages 88) and the DOZENS of other games like CASTLEVANIA, GUITAR HERO 3 REMIX, the original SONIC, REZ, OMEGA FIVE, and not to leave out the dozens of games like CRACKDOWN, SAINTS ROW, & ACECOMBAT 6: Aerial Liberations, FLATOUT: Ultimate Challenge, Bomberman Live, Project Gotham Racing 4, Phantasy Star Universe Illuminus, Super Puzzle Fighter 2: HD Remix, Dead Rising, Lost Planet: Extreme Ultra Condition, Guitar Hero III, Tomb Raider: The Anniversary Collection, Earth Defense Forces: Rebirth, and more!!!!

And with NARUTO: RISE OF A NINJA, DEVIL MAY CRY 4, TOO HUMAN, SPLINTER CELL, NINJA GAIDEN 2, LOST ODYSSEY, FABLE 2, GEARS OF WAR 2, & more games like INFINITE UNDISCOVERY & ALAN WAKE on the way in 2008....PLUS Street Fighter 4, the FUTURE of the XBOX 360 is looking like a goldmine littered in the mountain of tomorrow and the KING of GAMES....

I can't imagine what would happen if they announced PERFECT DARK 2 and it was even better, bring on the drama!!!!!

I see more people excited about the 360 all over than the PS3, so I just keep wondering, when are all these supposed "games" going to appear....at the same time the "UNCHARTED" serious becomes a million seller?

Or is it going to happen really, really late.....and barely at that!!! From where I'm standing, the FUTURE looks sweet indeed and its all 360 all the way as there are too many exciting games & unannounced games to not take notice and cry out in jealousy.

This guy was right, SOMEONE made it too hard to develop.....software..

=D

[b777conehead]

you talk about the scores from reviewers thats some ones opinion of a game and to me docent make the system bad. for one look at what naughty dog has done with unchatered i'm talking what the system will do graphic wise no report of frame issues either.now just because some yahoo on a website are magazine gives it a low score still docent take a way from what the system can do just look at the trailers and photos from that game.i for one buy a game because i want the game not because some yahoo says the game is good are bad i make my on decision and purchase a game because i want the game

[theoneandonly]

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

WATCH FOR CRITICAL MASS..............

[b777conehead]

blood mask your wrong again about the ps 3 and cell processor why cant you get it right and stop spreading your lyes about the ps3 the cell can be used for a lot of purposes . heres a list not just blu ray you xbots cant get a way from the fact the ps3 plays bluray and ms didnt incoperate any hd player with the xbox but hey ms couldnt even get there halo 3 to run in high dev.sony did a great thang incorporating the cell proscessor. they build for the future and if the devs arent ready forn the future they will be left behind

Possible applications
Main article: Cell microprocessor implementations

[edit] Blade Server
On the 29th Aug 2007, IBM announced the BladeCenter QS21. Generating a measured 1.05 Giga Floating Point Operations Per Second (GigaFLOPS) per watt, with peak performance of approximately 460 GFLOPS it is one of the most power efficient computing platforms to date. A single BladeCenter chassis can achieve 6.4 Tera Floating Point Operations Per Second (TeraFLOPS) and over 25.8 TeraFLOPS in a standard 42U rack.

IBM Press Release

[edit] Console video games
Sony's PlayStation 3 video game console contains the first production application of the Cell processor, clocked at 3.2 GHz and containing seven out of eight operational SPEs, to allow Sony to increase the yield on the processor manufacture. Only six of the seven SPEs are accessible to developers as one is reserved by the OS.[18]

[edit] Home cinema
Reportedly, Toshiba is considering producing HDTVs using Cell. They have already presented a system to decode 48 MPEG-2 streams simultaneously on a 1920×1080 screen.[28][29] This can enable a viewer to choose a channel based on dozens of thumbnail videos displayed simultaneously on the screen.

[edit] Supercomputing
IBM's new planned supercomputer, IBM Roadrunner, will be a hybrid of General Purpose CISC as well as Cell processors. It is reported that this combination will produce the first computer to run at petaflop speeds. It will use an updated version of the Cell processor, manufactured using 65 nm technology and enhanced SPUs that can handle double precision calculations in the 128 bit registers, reaching double precision 100 GFLOPs.[30][31]

[edit] Cluster computing
Clusters of PlayStation 3 consoles are an attractive alternative to high-end systems based on Cell blades. Innovative Computing Laboratory, a group led by Jack Dongarra, in the Computer Science Department at the University of Tennessee, investigated such an application in depth.[32] Terrasoft Solutions is selling 8-node and 32-node PS3 clusters with Yellow Dog Linux pre-installed, an implementation of Dongarra's research. As reported by Wired Magazine on October, 17, 2007, an interesting application of using PlayStation 3 in a cluster configuration was implemented by Astrophysicist Dr. Gaurav Khanna who replaced time used on supercomputers with a cluster of eight PlayStation 3s. [33]

[edit] Mainframes
IBM announced April 25, 2007 that it will begin integrating its Cell Broadband Engine Architecture microprocessors into the company's line of mainframes.[34]

[edit] Software engineering
Main article: Cell software development
Due to the flexible nature of the Cell, there are several possibilities for the utilization of its resources:[35]

[edit] Job queue
The PPE maintains a job queue, schedules jobs in SPEs, and monitors progress. Each SPE runs a "mini kernel" whose role is to fetch a job, execute it, and synchronize with the PPE.

[edit] Self-multitasking of SPEs
The kernel and scheduling is distributed across the SPEs. Tasks are synchronized using mutexes or semaphores as in a conventional operating system. Ready-to-run tasks wait in a queue for a SPE to execute them. The SPEs use shared memory for all tasks in this configuration.

[edit] Stream processing
Each SPE runs a distinct program. Data comes from an input stream, and is sent to SPEs. When an SPE has terminated the processing, the output data is sent to output stream.

This provides a flexible and powerful architecture for stream processing, and allows explicit scheduling for each SPE separately. Other processors are also able to perform streaming tasks, but are limited by the kernel loaded.

[edit] Open source software development
An open source software-based strategy was adopted to accelerate the development of a Cell BE ecosystem and to provide an environment to develop Cell applications.[36] In 2005, patches enabling Cell support in the Linux kernel were submitted for inclusion by IBM developers.[37] Arnd Bergmann (one of the developers of the aforementioned patches) also described the Linux-based Cell architecture at LinuxTag 2005.[38]

Both PPE and SPEs are programmable in C/C++ using a common API provided by libraries.

Terra Soft Solutions provides Yellow Dog Linux IBM, and Mercury Cell-based systems, as well as for the Playstation®3[39] Terra Soft strategically partnered with Mercury to provide a Linux Board Support Package for Cell, and support and development of software applications on various other Cell platforms, including the IBM BladeCenter JS21 and Cell QS20, and Mercury Cell-based solutions.[40] Terra Soft also maintains the Y-HPC(High Performance Computing) Cluster Construction and Management Suite and Y-Bio gene sequencing tools. Y-Bio is built upon the RPM Linux standard for package management, and offers tools which help bioinformatics researchers conduct their work with greater efficiency.[41] IBM has developed a pseudo-filesystem for Linux coined "Spufs" that simplifies access to and use of the SPE resources. IBM is currently maintaining a Linux kernel and GDB ports, while Sony maintains the GNU toolchain (GCC, binutils).[42]

In November 2005, IBM released a "Cell Broadband Engine (CBE) Software Development Kit Version 1.0", consisting of a simulator and assorted tools, to its web site. Development versions of the latest kernel and tools for Fedora Core 4 are maintained at the Barcelona Supercomputing Center website.[43]

In August 2007, Mercury Computer Systems released a Software Development Kit for PLAYSTATION(R)3 for High-Performance Computing.[44]

With the release of kernel version 2.6.16 on March 20, 2006, the Linux kernel officially supports the Cell processor.[45]

[fredy]

SUPERIORITY COMPLEX...anyone

copy and paste, i bet you can recital all that mumbo jumbo

[supermandead666]

*walk in"
*look at the posts*
*hand palm to the face*
"walk out*

[theoneandonly]

"CELL" is all overbloated hype so far, because its just that: HYPE

Next-generation PCs, meaning the types that run Half Life 2 or 3 flawlessly are already far more powerful than the "CELL". Developers find it easier and can do all their games on the PC, or on the 360, because whatever the "CELL" is trying to do takes a decade to tap out.

By that time, the new consoles are here. >=D

[ApocalypseShadow]

but the 360 fanboys above,and there are alot of you,reject the real facts:

not one game on 360 does 40 players online simultaniously.so you make excuses like:"too many players takes away the strategy."gears doesn't.halo doesn't.if the biggest games on 360 can't handle what a ps3 launch game is doing,what does that tell you?

not one racing game comes close to what motorstorm does effortlessly.a lot of you,especially power of green,were looking for any offroad racer to compete against motorstorm.where is GRAND RAID?lookes like vaporware to me.so you ran to the next one which was colin mcrae.but you don't truely play against others online.then you ran to sega rally.the only game that comes close.but motorstorm still whoops sega rally's @ss.

GT5 prologue does 1080p at 60fps.while games like forza 2 and pgr4 are running at 720p at 60fps and 30fps respectfully.microsoft added upscaling to 1080p,but both these games AFTER the update don't run 1080p native.and DON'T have 16 cars on the road.how is 360 matching ps3?by having LESS ON SCREEN for some games.how is halo3 after the update running at 640p?not even 720p?where is this 360 power to match ps3?why is halo 3 not 1080p native?

ps3 does folding home.not one 360 system does folding home.why?because 360 running folding home wouldn't make ANY significant difference.it would be a waste to do so when ps3 out does pcs previous efforts for this program.360 is a pc.so it is weaker than ps3 at doing this program.plus the system would burn up before finishing a unit.

so,the only game that 360 gamers say that outdoes ps3 is gears of war.a game that has only 8 characters at one time on screen.there's that LESS thing popping up again.but now,UT3 is coming out on ps3 and looks as good if not better than gears of war.when 360 gamers said that level of graphics was impossible on ps3.

but games on ps3 are proving you can put MORE onscreen.because it has more power.which most devs agree that ps3 is more powerful than 360.the only devs saying this are this idiot in the article,who doesn't have a job anymore,and microsoft employees.but not one neutral dev thinks 360 is more powerful than ps3.name a neutral dev who thinks 360 is more powerful than ps3?

lair proves it.heavenly sword proves it.GT5 proves it.ps3 does more.and all the fanboys know it.but you lie to yourselves to feel better.because if i'm lying,then prove that a racing game on 360 matches GT5's level.prove that a game at 1080p puts more on screen then lair or heavenly sword with all those physics and lighting effects.don't say dead rising.you got a lot of enemies,but that's nothing compared to all those enemies in HS.

he also knocks bluray,when we all know that having more is better than trying to squeeze everything on a small disc.sort of trying to fit all your friends in a 2 door hatchback,when you could have an escalade.some of you just look dumb just like this guy in the article.

prove this 360 power.bring out these games that prove your blind faith.because after 2 years,and ease of development,i thought 360 was supposed to blow away ps3.games like oblivion,FNR3 and colin shouldn't look better on ps3 by your theories.

so this guy is a lier.and so are the ones believing him.put up or shut up.

mag lev........................... .

[sniddles]

love it, this some good stuff right here nah...

So, cmon guys, he does have a point, he's not the only person or dev to trash on the PS3. From all the delayed games, framerate issues and such, it's pretty obvious something is up w/ PS3. honestly.

that being said, and as a 360 guy (not fanboy mind you)... I think it's getting pretty old too. Obviously there are games that are running pretty damn well on it Though i don't have one, if they keep cranking out stuff like R&C etc. then i'm gonna have to start saving. It's going to get better once people get the hang of it. Gran turismo looks tits... Wish i could get that on 360 b/c i don't have much funds lately... anyways..

Thing is, BOTH systems can be summed up simple as this.

SONY= Hardware company. Develops massive hardware specs capable of leaping small, etc... yada... gives no, or very little thought to software thus... Hardware it's strength, very convoluted to get the specs, and software suffers and must catch up.

MS= Software company. Develops code and such like DNA replicates throughout the ecos, massive list of 90+ games (10 on my last count i think).... Hardware is Sh1t, well thought out, but poorly executed (i'm talking reliability and quality here, it's actually a very efficient design), BUT software is its strength and was designed as a machine to run software.

Sony says "chicken came before egg",,, MS says egg did..

So, which do you want? Both have promise, but in different ways. If i had a kick sh1t TV/PC/Ent center, in all reality i'd prob have a PS3, but i can't afford two, and 360 had the games now, so i "jumped in"... yay for me...

PS. this guys just sore that the PS3 gave him headaches and had to whine a little. I think PS3 will be fine once it gains some steam. BUT, so will 360, there's room for all 3 folks... but wii can go to hell for all i care. I don't consider it a step forward as far as tech is concerned, just my 2 pesos...

[progx]

All you can do is whine and make childish remarks about the guys looks, just like with Gabe Newell. Get real losers.

[Heepspo]

about agenda fueled opinions. I will be the one playing MY console and I think the PS3 is the best for me..... so I'm buying it.

It's nice that we have 3 different choices! :)

[JasonX43]

I wish the gaming media would stop giving devs soapboxes to stand on. What happened to the days when they only reported on games?

[kingofps3]

hmm... I am sleepy.

[theoneandonly]

8 to 16 players in games like GEARS OF WAR, HALO 3 etc is still a big deal for the amount of effects they do.
But I agree that developers have not realized the PCs potential, or the 360s or anybody's.

That isn't enough player support for what a next-gen console can really do. Perfect Dark Zero which was so-so, had 32 players online. Some other 360 games had 30-40 players but the point is, to support that amount of people online they had to majorly work the hardware to scale back the graphics in different places.

Its just very tough getting the best online experience and still having FUTURISTIC end-scenario graphics. Some of the textures on PS3 games look bad and bland when supporting so many online players...

So far, only CALL OF DUTY 4 (multi) manages to do BOTH the amount of players and textures well....so that's saying alot that as easy as Xbox360 to develop for may be....

Its still tough to master, even if not tough like PS3 tough....there are years of work they have to do to make a game come out to be near flawless.

So the future is bright....for both machines!!! Its just, the 360 has the leap up due to being the easiest to develop for......

Even though PS3 will probably not have nearly as many games as PS2 & maybe not be the same level as 360, you know for once they will keep pumping out quality titles once they get going....

If Xbox basically takes over North America, I expect Playstation to still hold Japan pretty much & that's more than enough right.....

Nintendo will hold their own market in Japan.

And the only place you can get Dragon Warrior/Quest is still playstation, so it will be picked up.....its great there will be such competition for once!!

http://www.the-magicbox.com...

I know the 360 may never catch up, but they doing better than they ever were before in Japan....averaging about 5000 a week 6 times the rate of the Game Boy Advance and way higher than 60-100 units XBOX would sell there..

you never know Lost Odyssey and games like Cry On look really good, and they have other RPGs too....that may just boost 360 sales hugely over its lifespan.....and maybe the Xbox 360, or 720....will one day enjoy its OWN "Dragon Warrior" game & franchises...

Just like PS3 may eventually enjoy its own Star Wars: KOTOR franchise......look at White Knight Story, that looks alot more of a western game than Japanese game. you never know....

in this industry.....that's one thing you get guaranteed, you never know what will happen one day to the next....

[360-TEABAGGING-ps3]

Look at all this ps3 fanboys crying because someone is telling them the truth, but wait!!! not just someone, i mean a DEV that has worked with the ps3 and knows what piece of sh!t the ps3 is.

PLEASE, PLEASE sony FANBOYS, AVOID THIS ARTICLE AT ALL COST, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY GOING TO HURT YOUR FEELINGS.

[THE TERMINATOR]

Xbots should shut the fuk up. Even when developers like Activision clearly stated the Ps3 is more powerful, Konami and Square said that the Ps3 is the only console capable of realizing there vision but you bots take this retards words as gold. You should see for yourself with games like MGS4, Killzone 2, GT5, R&C and Uncharted that the Ps3 is way more powerful end of story. Man I cant wait for 2008 when the Ps3 steamrolls all over the 360.

[theoneandonly]

"Killzone 2,"

You are one of the thousands still hyping Killzone 2? Can you imagine how bad that game will be after seeing what Gorilla Games created before?!?

WOW.

I'm more excited about the next big FPS project PROJECT: OFFSET...

That will show just how far games have really come, and with the biggest franchise just around the corner Konami/Square can say the sky is "FALLING" and its not going to come true....

FACT:

Look at the video trailer for these, Lost Odyssey included.....

Mistwalker and other developers said repeatedly, Xbox 360 is the only console that can re-create their vision point to point.

They all love the hardware platform, as being the easiest and EXTREMELY quickest to develop for. So they can focus on true content, and put out stunning AAA games in waves instead of working for 3 years to make a game that they have to learn "ALL" the programming for from scratch which is a pain in the @ss to develop for all over again....

Final Fantasy 13/versus have taken what, 3-4 years to even complete!??!?

Its taken HALF that time for games like Lost Odyssey....and the graphics look truly MIND-BLOWING on what their games actually do...
http://www.gametrailers.com...

QUESTION FOR PS3 FANGIRLS: Would you rather wait up to 5 years all the time for your "stunning games" to arrive, or would you like it more if they took less than 2 and were "STUNNING" but also included online Live play.....and full motion video?

Hironobu Sakaguchi the father of the Final Fantasy franchise, stated time and time again the "Xbox 360 is the platform where my vision can truly come to life"

Without all the bottlenecks of having to learn hardware inside & outside, because they give them the software. Team Ninja, Square-Enix, Ubi Soft, they "ALL" receive the software. There's no learning curve with 360 so the games always look very very good & only keep looking better.

If it was extremely hard to "develop" for, I don't think you would see Square-Enix giving them props and announcing "The Last Remnant" their new RPG series as multiplatform. Then I don't think you would see developers all over, from Sega to Ubisoft to Epic, Team Ninja and Sammy plus NAMCO say they prefer making their visions on XBOX 360.

Eventually the Blu-Ray is going to die out just admit it....all XBOX does is add their own Blu-Ray to it, people are going to stop making Blu-Ray discs......all of that "ROOM" the Blu-Rays have goes to waste if nobody uses it all....you can compress whatever kind of game you want onto 1 disc, or four discs if you have alot of dialogue...

There is definitely no comparison to the amount of games (read: CONTENT) you can create on hardware that has 3 GPU processors and whatever else they wanted which is built first for SOFTWARE.....The Xbox360, while not a super-computer, is very powerful when it comes to software. It creates games, damn great games.

And quickly too with the graphics to match....This is why there are many games that will always look "BETTER" than on PS3. The learning curve is not there.......no wait time. People don't spend 4 years learning it, they already know it. They just draw their works of art...

That's more than enough for them.....but when Blu-Ray starts slagging off in sales that won't be enough for "them".....no way.

This is what works for the games industry.........when they decide on "harder is better", they would choose the platform that takes the longest time to make the game.........

[jazzmanb]

ratchet and drakes look good,but not amazing in the bioshock,gears sense...seriously i dont get the big deal with drakes and ratchet...they look nice dont gtet me wrong,but way,way,way less taxing on a system then gears or bioshock..seriously stoip dreaming alrready..both uncharted and ratchet well be fun for sure,but there not graphically groundbreaking..in fact the 360 could do both of those games smoother than the ps3...trust me,i know....

[Nytr8]

when you put all the problems the PS3 has together things dont look so rosy after all.

Usually its a flame war on only one issue that is often being compared to the 360, but this article PWS sony soooo badly. The 360 is plauged by hardware issues but you hardly ever get complaints about the actual experience, developing for it or the quality of the games, infact most have only good things to say about the overall experience that the 360 has to offer. Except of course for the poor components and build quality (oh and Sony Fanboys). BUT... these are issues that microsoft can and are fixing (not fanboyism). 65nm processor, HDMI out, quieter Discdrive, new motherboard, etc. When microsoft get the build quality right then the 360 will be close to perfection.

Sony on the other hand have some serious problems...

Since launch all complaints are the same and nothing has been done about it. Development issues!!!
every man and his dog has complained about the difficulty to make games for the PS3, yet all the fanboys dont wanna hear it. Still thinking that they are in some way superior because they own a PS3.
Face it... the PS3 is a partial mistake. But unlike the mistakes of the 360 which can be fixed over time, the PS3 is going to continue to have the same old issues.

I remember when the 360 was launched there were only hardware complaints. The games have always spoken for themselfs, yet the PS3 has the complete opposite issues. It's continually getting bashed about its lack of quality software, and everyone keeps saying to wait, the next gen of games will be amazing, yawn... still waiting. Only Sony dev games that have been in production since the dawn of man will be amazing the rest are destined to play better on the 360.

What I love is the conviction of some of these posts, lol... some of them good, some great, and then there are the highly intellectual comments such as comment # 185. Its just a shame that the majority of people who post are of the menatllity of #185.

I own a Wii, 360 & PS3. and i LOVE them ALL. BUT the 360 gaming and media and online experience kicks all their asses, simple truth.

Bash away...

[fishd]

there is a proverb in my language "the bride dont know how to dance so she say the floor isn't flat"

[skagrerrrr]

thaaat's funny hahahaha!

[Jesso2k]

Now I definatly won't be swayed to take a gamble on the PS3 this year! Maybe Microsoft can keep widening the lead so I don't feel so tempted going into next year, I'm not a fan of the 3D Final Fantasies and MSG (carrying an oil drum in his pocket turned me off) so it probably won't be to hard.

That educated rant coupled with the fact they're still playing catch up with a firmware updates every other week and new controllers that don't suck as bad(the triggers on the PS3 are still an after thought to sony), make this an easy holiday season.

Just keep filling up on the quality 360 titles for the safest bet.

[Armyless]

You say, ""What I don't like is when people hide behind opinions that are... clearly biased... just to bash the console they don't own."

********Let's see if you pass your own test.**********

"PLAY R3TARD3D, I had a chuckle."

"Not purchasing the PS3 so soon is another example. Why purchase a console that's still not ready?"

"Nothing better to do when only owning a PS3?"

"No I'm disapointed they gave these (PS3) retards have the flamebait to discredit a game they've never played since now they can lean on a number (640p)"

*********Did you pass?***********

[Neurotoxin]

Yawn.....

Here`s another spin on it, Maybe he`s a xboxfanboy, in a position of authority to cause a real stur in all the forums..... *Insert Sarcasm here*

And you all fell for it, shame on you fanboys, shame.

[Quickstrike]

I'm pretty sure M$ is paying him to say this crap. The PS3 is only hard to code for if you a f***ing retarded monkey. M$ needs to stop paying people to say made up crap about the PS3, and xbots need to grow a pair if they ever want to get a good system that doesn't break down every 5 minuets.

[skagrerrrr]

should do something vs flame bait, it's getting out of hand, a good example is this thread, this is just hilarious!

[kangurrr]

ps3 fans suck s#*t!!!wait for ur freakin killzone 2 and the rest of games which will score no more than 7 on gamespot and ign .... buehehhe

[gnothe1]

this was a 300 + post for nothing!! the sony boys are gonna believe what they wanna believe anyway!! they see games looking an running better on the 360 but they still wanna blame it on the devs an say the PS3 is superior!! I have both consoles , a 60 inch sxrd sony 1080p hdtv an I download demos for both systems to compare an SO FAR games look better on the 360 than they do on the PS3. nobody is telling me this , I'm seeing this with my own eyes, as many other people are, but these diehard sony boys still think the PS3 is superior. but you know what, if you guys wanna feel like that thats fine. while your guys are there dreaming the truth I'm sitting here playing the truth!!

[360Crusader]

While your guys are there dreaming the truth I'm sitting here playing the truth!! lol Excellent I couldnt of said it better myself.

It reminds me of the doritios contest they had not that long ago what was it. You dream it we build it. I think that applies to this post.

[richie007bond]

The ps3 just got owned,and buy the way this site is full of sony drones.

[guerojose]

Hehehehe. This guy actually does a very good job of proving that crappy ports ARE the fault of ignorant developers.

"The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance."
Here he's simply comparing numbers based off the GPU performance. This is the exact same, tired, PC-centric view that is causing the crappy ports. You only have to look at games that properly use the capabilities of the GPU and SPEs combined to see what hooey this is: Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, are all beautiful by any graphical yardstick you want to use.

"You can probably find a way to split a few things off fairly easily - put the audio on one processor, animation on another; but generally the breakup is always going to leave several of the SPUs idle or underutilized."
What a moron! You don't have to allocate one entire SPE solely for audio, for example. Just look at the tech information available for the Killzone 2 rendering pipeline, for an example of mixed SPE allocation. The SPEs can be utilized for any combination of tasks. This is that same crappy argument people were making two years ago, that the Cell wouldn't be able to handle AI, or branchy code, etc. Simply wrong and ignorant - again, just look at the PS3 games that are developed properly.

"Getting data off the blue ray drive takes about twice as long as it does to get the same data off the 360's DVD drive."
Again with the two-year-old arguments that are FLAT OUT WRONG!
<< the 12x DVD drive in the 360 only reads dual layer discs at a maximum of 8x speed. As it was in single layer, the 8x speed is peak performance. The 2x speed BD drive performs quite well in this case: a BD25 on PS3 fares better than a DVD9 on the 360. The great majority of 360 games are and will be pressed on DVD9s. Another interesting point with existing CLV BD drives is that they do not have the dual layer penalization with DVD dics. If a BD drive is rated to read DVDs at 8x, it will read dual layer DVDs at 8x as well. >>
http://ozymandias.com/archi...
(there are plenty of other sources out there.)

"There are tons of compression techniques available for data and I'd personally rather be able to get my data faster than have more of it."
Riiight. Remind me never to play any two-level, crappy textured, mono audio, game that you've ever worked on. This is the typical Xbot argument that compression is the free-lunch answer to all things. As if the Xbox is the only system that can use compression for optimization. That's the point, with BD you can have FASTER transfer rates, MORE optimization thru multiple data copies, MORE data period, AND compression.

"many ps3 games have simplified shaders and run at lower native resolutions than the 360 versions".
My BS detector is overheating here. Still waiting for that 1080p native game on the Xbox.

Too bad this idiot didn't want to sign his name to this crap, so we could see if he's really a crappy developer, or just another cloaked Xbot. Both seem equally likely, based on the poor system knowledge and bogus "facts" he uses.

[360Crusader]

Sony boys still talking about specs. I guess you guys never will learn what really matters.

[guerojose]

^^^^^
Nice reading comprehension there, Timmy. It's the so-called "developer" Xbot who's throwing around all the (incorrect) specs. And he's being called out on his BS.

[360Crusader]

Thats okay John as long as the 360 is producing what matters.
And thats quality games.

[SDS Overfiend]

You wish You sony Droid. Just face it the Phony Funstation is done for.

By time Its important we would have been moved on.

You how i know its over for PS3?

Cause Sony's advertising a new weak-@ss Singstar game on T.V. For PS2......The PS2 are you fuk'n serious?

Spending money advertising a wack-@ss POS2 game while the PS3 is Failing amongst our eyes says everything.

The Gaystation 3.... Fuk'n Sony droids right the up dukeshute....

Gay Beyond!!!
This is Gay!!

[progx]

But you forgot the year old RFOM ads.

[mithril]

This guy never work on PS3 he left Turbine in april of 2005.
and working until guitar hero 2.

[teto83]

If you don't own a PS3....just shut up.PS3 has XBOTS' panties in such a bunch. I love reading the incredibly envious comments.

Keep it up...

[user9422077]

pure ass