Gamers told Sony "shooters feel the same"

According to LightBox boss Dylan Jobe, Sony's own market research revealed a lot of gamers wanted something a bit different from their shooter experience.

One game that could satisfy this need is upcoming PlayStation 3 exclusive Starhawk, which Jobe is confident will stand out in the most competitive genre in gaming when it launches early next year.

[LeShin]

Agreed!

[TruthbeTold]

Honestly, there really isn't a whole lot more that can be done with this genre until we get something more like virtual reality. The FPS is very one dimensional, and it's been done to death this generation.

[jc48573]

tell me about it. My bro was crazy enough to say that if Infinity Ward added zombies in the next MW game, he will definitely buy it.

[Theyellowflash30]

I agree. Sony is very guilty of this though. Saturating the shooter genre. Killzone 2+3, Resistence 1-3, Socom (psp/ps3), MAG, Uncharted (not so much a shooter but reticule based shooting)

Sony puts a ton of money into shooters. My favorite Sony first party game is Infamous. I can't wait for infamous 2.

[sack_boi]

They all feel the same, except one, it's 60fps on consoles. Why can't devs understand that?

[The Meerkat]

You're correct, the 60FPS is what does it.

I'd never take graphics over frame rate.

[RememberThe357]

I guess I'll put my bubbles at risk an disagree. I think the genre has a lot of room to grow; I still haven't found a shooter that feels "perfect". COD4 felt amazing when it came out, but everything else since seems to feel like it now days and that make the games feel repetitive to me. Thats one of the reasons I really liked Killzone 2; because it felt so different form other shooters.

Beyond just he control issue games like Crysis 2 have shown that the genre has a lot of room to grow. There were a lot of things that could have been better in that game but it still had one of the best campaigns I've played in a shooter.

The problem I see with the genre is that devs aren't pushing boundaries. They seem to be trying to work within the established COD mold and that isn't allowing them to evolve the genre.

It's not the genre but the people making the game that is making it feel stale. The power of the shooter was the gameplay. Now that gameplay has been streamlined the only difference between games is the story and that has rarely been a strong point in the genre. An evolution in both gameplay and story is what the genre needs not just one over the other.

[Gam3s4lif3]

You what else that is done to death? Exclusives.

Bloody money eating, fun game playing, addictive, rage quiting games :D

[Soldierone]

I disagree. There are many things you can do to change the experience given in an FPS title. Saturating the market is what a lot of companies do, but Sonys are at least doing something.

-Bigger games. Resistance, MAG, nuff said. COD could do something like this, Battlefield already does it and its a new game because of it.

-New gameplay mechanics. Added perks (and no im not talking COD perks) Portal, Singularity, Bioshock, maybe the upcoming Battlefield.

Fact of the matter is FPS titles are still fun and creative. Alot of them feel the same because COD went the easy route and made tons of money off it, so others followed. Why bother spending money like Killzone if it doesn't payoff like COD? until the game industry can make something new again (just like how FPS changed things) people will keep playing them.

Dunno about you guys but a lot of other genres have the same issues. An RPG feels like an RPG, there just isn't as many of them.

[Eyeco]

@truth
theres still room for tuning like Mirrors Edge, Borderlands, and Fallout those games either lacked depth, or polish . i would like to see more refined sequels ,
im still waiting on a FPS zombie , sandbox tactical shooter basically battlefield meets L4D meets RDR UN yeah its whacky i know

[pixelsword]

Shooters DO feel the same, it's not a bad thing in some respects, but I like innovation, and Sony's all about that and so is The Gears of War series. That's why I liked Resistance 2's numbers (60), then MAG's 256 player game is off the charts, Killzone 2 and 3's innovation of 1st person cover in a FPS game, the advanced hit dection and death cycles for enemies, and then the 1st person melees pretty much blew away other games like Crysis 2's similar actions, for example. I like Gears of War's death blows, chainsaw action and game types (as well as UTIII's game modes, which are underplayed on the PC and all consoles, sadly).

[rezzah]

@theyellowflash

Did you add that last part about INfamous2 to counter the amount of disagrees you know you'd be getting?

Curious.

[brew]

Can't wait.

Tanks are confirmed
Party system confirmed
Ranking system confirmed
Jetpacks are all but confirmed (wink , wink)
Trophies will be easier than Warhawk
solo-campaign is not like UT with bots
more customization options
no move support

[Silly gameAr]

Yeah the game is going to be sick. I hope it has that Warhawk feel with just enough added to kick it up a notch.

[SpLinT]

does it have local co op?

[49erguy]

Waiting for Half Life 3 and Deus Ex HR. Those are sure to expand on the genre in terms of story and gmaeplay. Seriously, watch the CG trailer and the dev interviews of Deus Ex and TRY not to be hyped for it.

[MasterCornholio]

Nice Sony listens to their customers which is great to hear. While starhawk is a 3RD person shooter (which there are many of those on the market) It does a lot to make itself unique.

[RevXM]

I feel that Killzone made it self distinctive through controls and atmosphere and the massive amount of detail, and Resistance is damn fun and have a awesome campaign as well as frantic online MP. R2 60P team death match or skirmish... my fav modes and some really enjoyed the CO-OP wich is kind of mixing FPS with the regular MMO stuff.

Sony know how to handle shooters for sure, Never played Socom or MAG, but MAG is nothing like other shooters either as far as I know.

And you need to check out Red orchestra 2
Its a ww2 game but its not like anything else, it looks incredible. The graphics aint spectacular, but the attention to detail in every practical tool item or action is insane.
The gameplay is incredible!
Have a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[BABY-JEDI]

What I want from FPS is REALISM. Actions/consequences real bullet injuries & real dialogue. Cmon GG make it real as you promised all those years ago. No COD pants

[LightofDarkness]

ArmA II?

[kramun]

Arma 3 is out next year, if you haven't got a gaming pc yet you might want to get one, then you'll get your wish.

[BABY-JEDI]

Arma II looks realistic but sadly to say I'm not a PC gamer : (
I really like KZ2 but too much COD influence starting to creep into KZ3 for my liking. Hopefully KZ4 will be more challenging & not so many ammo dumps ect

[RevXM]

I agree.
In many ways Kz2 is better than 3.

It felt more solid, challenging and real.
3 is really good, but its not the same.

For Kz4 I demand it to be more like Kz2 and to be more polished.

I would also like if they would hire or borrow some real writers, better actors/directors and get their own Mo-cap nearby or in the HQ.
To be more like Naughty Dog when it comes to this.

I feel that Kz4 should come for Ps4.
And I cant wait to see what their new IP will be!

[Grannyvukka]

Resistance was an awesome game, and even though it was locked in at 30fps, it was still a great, immersive fun game, & for me is the most fun story based shooter I've played so far this gen. I loved the enemies, the atmosphere, the gritty art style, the graphics (even though rough in placed & around the edges). The multiplayer offered the best next gen online experience yet, in that it was almost completely lagless, in fact, I never experienced lag in it thanks to it's dedicated servers, everytime I encountered an enemy it never felt like I was ripped of (unlike COD's), in that if I shot a guy 1st, he died, vice versa I die, & soooo many times opposition & I would shoot simultaniously & both get capped, and I have never, ever, encountered a fairer feeling online experience. The one shot kills games is where you noticed how unbelievable the game truly was for it's connection, and I would never have thought that Insomniac would be the ONLY ones to nail online perfectly this gen. due to the fact they are not known for shooters, let alone online shooters, or online gaming in any form really. In fact, PS1's Disruptor was the last & only time they ever made a FPS.....I also loved part 2, and even though not as good as Resistance, it still offered something unique & different from the 1st both offline (with so many boss battles & scripted events), also 64 player online without lag again was mighty impressive & it was another great online experience, although they cut the damn one shot kill option for no dumb ass reason, which pissed me off.

I love the inFamous's, Ratchets, & the like as much as the next guy, but to say Sony have littered PS3 with fps's shooters is a little narrow minded of people to generalize, as Insomniac are independant of Sony (as shown they are now multiplat), & they also have nailed out 2 full awesomely good quality Ratchet & Clank games on PS3 over it' lifespan, as well as 2 Resistances, with 3rd nearly complete, while Sucker Punch have only one game realeased on PS3 & are just going for no.2.....so Insomniac cannot be hassled for there dedication to PS3 owners, & I have all Insomniacs PS3 releases thus far, including Quest For Booty from PSN.

The only FPS series Sony really has anything to do with really is the Killzone series (which are also of a high quality standard)....I mean, you can hassle any company for going this route, & one of the worst offenders is Nintendo turning the Metroid series into a FPS style of game. Every system out there these days, has a massive influx in FPS's....and while they sell, they will continue to pour out of developers & publishers backsides like wildfire. If your to blame anyone, it is the massive ammount of casuals out there that see COD as the be all & end all of gaming bliss, these types (like a couple that commented on here about 60fps being the only way a fps can be AAA) Crysis 2 is 60fps, yet Resistance kicks the crap out of it even though it's frame rate is 30fps locked, & has way worse graphics.....Give me Resistance 1 & 2 over that game any day.

[Grannyvukka]

The fact is, great games like Ico, Shadow Of The Collosus, Beyond Good & Evil, Pyschonauts & Okami were all proof that gamers were only interested in buying the next Fifa, NFL, NBA, sports franchise of choice, or select, over marketed drizzle like 50cent:Bulletproof (I mean this game outsold all the aforementioned classics, & probably even outsold 2or3 combined) I mean for 50Cent:Bulletproof to sell more than Ico, BG&E & Okami together means that a large % of the gaming community should be marched down to ex-clover studios HQ, or Team Ico's offices with all staff & ex-staff brought to location, then said 50cent owners should be knelt on the ground, blindfolded, then there copies of Bulletproof should be loaded into a special contraption, & they should be fired at the throats of these morons, slicing there simplistic, juggulars like a ripsaw blade.

Lookout for Rage....It looks truly awesome, is 60fps, & although is another post apocalypse shooter (there really has only been 2 others in the awesome Borderlands & Fallout).

Basically I think too many of the other FPS's out there that are "claiming" to offer something new, are just me too shooters that try to copy from the best out there, or from a few of the best. I mean, why can't the COD developers that did Quantim Of Solace do justice to the game when they used the 60fps Call Of Duty 4 engine to run it.....I'll tell you why, cause those greedy Activision bigwigs rode the awesome developers Treyarch to develop COD3, the Bond game & a 3rd game if my memory serves me correctly.......they were rushed into getting at least 2 games out the door, while the often overly touted IW team had massive ammounts of time to release COD4, & while awesome, (it should have been) considering the time & money they were afforeded in comparison to the always slammed Treyarch team of developers, it is a given that IW release the steller title, out of the 2...But who still stands, who has fallen is a good representation of who are the better developers, team players, less greedy, & less big headed out of the 2 (now 1) internal teams. I enjoyed both Treyarchs COD4 engine run games over IW's....

[Uncharted3Goty]

i am sure that starhawk will bring new things that warhawk didnt have thats for sure and will be a big game.

[ivant]

Market research be damned.

Let commonsense prevail.

Alot of gamers want something a bit different?

So why are a lot more gamers waiting for MW3 and are currently playing MW2 religiously?

Why are more people playing Bad Company 2 online as it easily is a better and more realistic shooter than MW?

Could it be preference for a certain style of gameplay, looks and perks etc?

MW really didn't offer anything radically new to the genre as it's essentially a prettier, cooler version of CS --the tried and tested benchmark for any self respected FPS.

So although StarHawk will bring a unique shooter experience,it'll be appealing to a small portion of the shooter market....unless it is able to break the habits of a life time of your typical shooter fan.

StarHawk will be a great game.

Warhawk 2 as a FPS, with "Modern Warfare" weapons, environments, vehicles, large maps, 64 players online, dedicated servers, split screen, stable FPS, decent audio & graphics, bots,customization, perks/prestige/streaks/xp etc.....would have also been a great game but also very, very popular.

There's no need to reinvent the wheel. It works perfectly fine as is. You just need to use it wisely.

[ivant]

^^

correction above

... "...why AREN'T more people playing Bad Company 2.."

[Uncharted3Goty]

the thing is there is alot of things delevopers can do to change the first person experiance and make it different but it seems there scared to change.

because most gamers are used to like what you said call of duty they could make Starhawk great and new things to the genre but well what to wait and see.

[VenGencE999]

"If people "want something different" how come every "different" shooter that comes out sells like shit? "
-Captain_Carl

"In other words, what people say they want and what they actually want are very different things... "
-Arcam

These two statements says it all.

[blackburn10]

What makes me mad about shooters is even with all the graphical improvement many of them are the same cookie cutter shooter everytime. Every year we hear about COD for example pushing the graphical boundaries but every time you play it, its still the same flat, bad story, non interactive game.The interactivity boils down to scripted events that only happen when you reach a certain point and pressing a single button to open a trap door or move a cupboard out of the way. Even GOW's quick time events made it seem like you were doing something. All everyone is concerned about is how fast the game processes or if it has jaggies or slow down not the fact that it's just another game that plays exactly like the other over and over again with no improvements in gamplay, interactivity or story or anything. It's the same dull, lifeless game with a shiny coat to distract you.

[Captain Tuttle]

Then why did Bulletstorm tank on the PS3?

[Romudeth]

Shooting games are the most dull games out there hence why I stay clear of them. I need something with substance.