A new report published Friday by the Mercury News suggests that Sony may already be scrambling to keep third-party developers aboard the PlayStation 3, which has struggled to keep pace with the Wii and Xbox 360.
Off course game devs will need to stick to the future! the PS3 has MGS4, GT5, Rachet, and many more fun games coming in the 2008 - the year of PLAYSTATION 3. Do not tell anyone that SONY has been struggling!
Business lives in the now not the future
Right, because this is a totalitarian website, and speaking the truth would mean imprizonment and eventual beheading. Do you get payed by Sony to say dumb s*** like that? Who honestly cares about a rumour. Sony will be just fine. Especially after the $399 PS3, even though I don't want one because I want backwards compatibility so I can play the games I didn't get the chance to such as FFXII, Okami, etc.
@cooke15 Actually you're wrong. The game industry lives in the future. A game takes a minimum of one year to make. Meaning you will be best of developing for whatever you think is doing best a year or longer from now.
hmmm tell that to MS 1st XBOX. Lost 6 billion and if they don't look at the future, they will eject long time ago.
Can someone show me where it says Tekken 6 is going multiplatform? I read a rumor, but that was it.
I personally think that yes, regardless of what a *few* devs say, that the PS3 is the most difficult to program for and the hardest, most expensive, and longest to do a cross platform title for as well. This is a lesson that Sony has learned the hard way. While so far I am sorry to have bought the PS3 so early on, I feel that Sony will certainly take the lessons learned and I would expect a Playstation 4 that is easier to code for as well as not as expensive on launch day. But anyone in the gaming business will agree - the PS3 is most expensive and time consuming to program for. Not a good thing when third party devs have the option to make a game for two systems with a larger install base as well - the Xbox360 and the Wii.
"Business lives in the now and not in the future." How idiotic and shortsighted. No, business in the future lives in the now and the future at once. You have to plan now for the business tomorrow. Just concentrate on the now and when tomorrow comes you won't be prepared. Even gradeschoolers know the story of the ant and the grasshopper yet you ignore it. Ray effin Charles. DVD9 is a case of not preparing for the future.
2nd Party Ninja Theory- Heavenly sword Insomniac - Ratch and clank Quesy studios- Everyday Shooter Guerrilla Games - Killzone 1st party polosony - Gran tourismo Evolution Studios - Motorstorm 989 sports/ PS sports - PS sport games Naughty Dog - Jack and Daxtor / Uncharted Draks fortune Incognito- Warhawk, Twisted Metal, Jet Motto Bend Studio - Syphon filter games Zipper Interactive - Socom games SCE Studio Liverpool - Wipeout Ico Studios - Ico, shadow of colossus InFamous studios - InFamous, sly cooper Media Molecule -LittleBigPlanet SCE London Studio - 8 days SCE Santa Monica Studios - Alot of PSn games, GOD OF WAR exclusive deals NCSoft - Guild Wars Media Molecule - white knight story + Many more That's the facts and thats why the Ps2 was a hit because Sony them selves cranked out alot of games. Microsoft just published some i.i.e. Gears of War,PGR4, Bioshock(?) (similar to what Sony did with Lair) and had Bungie/Halo and the Fable Team. Let alone I mentioned some titles above like Twisted Metal, Sly Cooper etc. Hmm I wonder if these proven hit franchises sequels are in the works? The games are coming, it just now that Games today take up to 10 months to 2 years! (killzone is almost going to take 3 years). So that is the price we play for next gen games.... :(
...to Sony fans and every other gamer. I know you're an Xbot in disguise trying to give playstation fans and the playstation name a bad name. Please shut the hell up.
Geez, judging by SonySoldiers comment, you would think that his PS3 had a vagina.
do devs leave X360 because x360 is the least selling console in JAPAN and NA . NO Ps3 sales have increased multiple folds in EU after the price cut . MY GOD MS and their viral marketing efforts
business does take place in the here and now not the future. You are right that game development takes one two or even three years but the bottom line is always the driving force. Games releasing next year will not sell a console this year if there are no games available now. And this is Sony's problem and hence they have cut prices to try and remain competitive (remember there was an expected price cut at the TGS and Sony told the press when that did not happen that they felt that games were more important to selling the system than a price cut). The 360 installed base will get a big growth spurt with exclusive games like Halo 3 and Mass Effects combined with the multi games which have the rep of looking better on the 360. If Sony is having difficulty keeping the third party developers on side with them before Christmas and M$ has the blow out Christmas then things will only be worse after Christmas. This has been an issue for PS3 for quite some time. Sony announced at the TGS that they were concentrating on giving increased support to the third party developers. News of disaffection on the part of third parties is a nightmare for Sony; and may squeeze Sony as they are forced to pay for content (something they maintain they don't/won't do) to remain in the game. The other option is to drop the PS3 and move on; but the Blu ray format war makes that very unlikely. Sony is caught in a vicious cycle of not having games and therefore not being able sell the console and not being able to get games b/c it install base is not that attractive. Third parties are making games for the Consoles for there captive market. Sony presently has the the smallest market.
sonysoldier makes me wanna cry and good 1 who said that make sony sound like a V bubbles
Where is the news of sony third party developers leaving?
you must live under a rock
Please explain, instead of trying to insult someone. Edit: Eh, you don't have a really good grasp of business. But I commend you for your efforts. Why on earth would you make more titles for a system that doesn't have the greater fan base? The article said Developers are leaving the ps3, which they aren't. Yes some support the thing that brings investors more money, but as the ps3 gains in sales, the same exact thing is going to happen. No developers are going to make the money on the 360 as they have the PS2/WII. Its two year run is hitting 12 million units. Keep in mind the Biggest game for the system could only barely sell more units than the Wii. The ps2 had 40 million units sold by year 2. Just to put things into perspective... This coming holiday the ps3 is going to sell 5+ million units. Now unless Halo3 and Mass Effect can bring in 5 million+ more users, its going to be very close in 2008. Developers will finally be able to make $ from the ps3 user base. With PS3 Developers churning out HD games at 60fps and no slowdown/framerate, they are only going to share the information with others. Its going to really be interesting to see what can the 360 do to keep up with the PS3 in 08. Theres only 1 halo. Sony's rolling out Gran Turismo/MGS/Little Big Planet/Tekken/Final Fantasy etc.
Sorry, im not insulting you :P Its not so much developers not supporting PS3 its them dropping exclusives or moving games to other consoles.. IE Monster Hunter 3 to Wii Okami to Wii instead of PS3 Capcom supporting 360 more than PS3 Square bringing Dragon Quest to DS instead of a sony console ACE Combat going 360 Tekken going 360 Virtua Fighter going 360 Katamari going 360/Wii Fatal Frame going to Wii there are more these are just what i can think of right now.
As I remember, please correct me if I'm wrong companys aren't leaving Sony besides the whole Capcom statement. Square Enix = Final Fantasy Ace Combat = timed exclusive for the 360 Tekken + VF= Multiplatform Beautiful Katamari = I guess but ps3 getting new ip from creators Fatal Frame = snagged
Capcom supporting 360 more than PS3: Wrong. 360 cameout before ps3 only games showing capcom support to 360 were made before ps3 was out if capcom released an exclusive ps3 game now that the ps3 is out then your point would be valid unfortunately capcom is embracing a multiplatform philosophy. Plus they are releasing lost planet on ps3 not like i care but that dosent show dropped support IMO Square bringing Dragon Quest to DS instead of a sony console: Square can't bring every game they make to a sony console but they have in no way shown dropped support for sony. They jst release final fantasy crisis core and last time i checked finaly fantasy 13 and versus 13 were still ps3 exclusives. ACE Combat going 360: We both know its only a timed exclusive katamari, eternal sonata and damacry will all end up on ps3 nxt yr. Tekken going 360: I never heard about tekken going 360 thats jst an unfounded rumor it is possible but quite unlikely considering the game was built on arcade with the cell processor i would say they have strong sony support based on that but i could be wrong. Virtua Fighter going 360: Well came out on ps3 1st plus sega jst recently announced to ps3 exclusives dnt knw if sega has any 360 exclusives coming up. Katamari going 360/Wii: Wii is understandable am sure msoft simply paid for katamari to generate more japanese interest in their failing console(in japan). Katamari is more of a casual game which basically fits the wii perfectly. Fatal Frame going to Wii: Dnt knw bout fatal frame so no comment
so when did tekken go to the 360? nothing but wishful thinking
show a link that shows 3rd party developers are leaving the xbox 360 or you just look like a little crybaby spouting the typical sonyfanboy horsesheit....if anything they look at the sales the xbox 360 has and makes them want too develop for it. enjoy creeping death...while its a rumor it was a rumor that vf5 was going too xbox and look what happend there... http://www.joystiq.com/2007... real gambler welcome too my ignore list.... just kidding just kidding..lol whomp whomp.
Just kidding, just kidding... Maybe while Microsoft and Nintendo are at it, why not taking EA as well... Just kidding, just kidding!!!! Seriously now, the biggest problem is not between 360 and PS3. It has been said thousands of time. The Wii is stealing most devs. It will become more and more obvious in 2008... I like the Wii. But I'm not sure it's such a great thing for us gamers!
NOBODY..........name one developer who WILL NOT make games and do business with MS? EA, Valve rockstar all HATE making games for the PS3 and that is why FFXIII and MGS4 will all be on the 360....if you had a business would you just let 12 million customers just go on by? NO WAY. Developers say the 360 is a dream to make games for and I also own a PS3, but It only has 2 good games (WH and RFOM) and I have not touched it in weeks. Also, the whole Blue-ray thing...I REFUSE to pay $30 bucks for DVDS ..PERIOD...I can get transformers for $15 bucks at target but on BR its $30.......no thanks. I will buy BR when they are less then $20 bucks.
Those millions of former casual PS2 (now Wii) gamers aren't interested in a 'Boogie' or a 'Dewy'. Most aren't even fans of Metroid and Zelda! They got a Wii because of motion controls and the price. They're more into zombies (RE4), yakuza (Red Steel) and comedic mascots like Rayman. Nintendo should make a bid to get Conker back too, as who wants a photo-realistic squirrel?
I'll name you a big developer who probably won't be doing business with MS for awhile. Level 5 had a very bad experience with MS when developing that MMORG game True Fantasy Online Live and finally had to cancel it due to unrelenting pressure from MS. They parted on very poor terms. Bungie's parting may be better but they obviously didn't want to be restricted by MS either. Though I've heard of Valve and a few sports developers from EA (I can't believe you even respect them) finding it too difficult to develop for the console, reports from Konami, Square Enix, Insomianic and Level 5 all find themselves able to release so much potential with the PS3, granted its higher than normal learning curve. If everyone quits and take the easier routes, I would not have chosen to be an engineer. And I don't believe you even really looked into getting BD movies because there are right now B1G1 offers at BestBuy and Amazon, where you can get the latest hits for $12 each. And I have no idea where you pulled $30 for Transformers on BD, since its a HD-DVD exclusive. And right now, a lot of BDs are less than $20, you obviously either aren't looking or just don't know where to look. The thing that gets to me, and force me to make these replies, is when I see so much FUD in posts. They always consists of the same thing. Poor/limited information, biased arguments, and a goal of causing confusion and panic among PS3 owners and buyers. If the PS3 isn't going to do well (which I feel is still very much up in the air), then time will tell, not you.
2.9- Lawman: "Developers say the 360 is a dream to make games for and I also own a PS3, but It only has 2 good games (WH and RFOM) and I have not touched it in weeks. Also, the whole Blue-ray thing...I REFUSE to pay $30 bucks for DVDS ..PERIOD...I can get transformers for $15 bucks at target but on BR its $30.......no thanks. I will buy BR when they are less then $20 bucks." Please, post a serious link from any devs saying "Developers say the 360 is a dream to make games. Trust me, it wasn't a dream. It was easier, but very far from a dream!. Devs are just starting to be familiar with multiple cores architecture as we speak!!! You won't find one dev saying it was a dream! And if you would really own a PS3, you would be quite aware that Paramout took 150 millions dollars to switch side from BluRay to HD-DVD. Transformers was rumored as being one of the biggest reason why the HD-DVD camp bought Paramount!. So I'm not sure where you can get Transformers on BluRay for $30 unless it's bootleg and as far as I know, Target is not selling bootleg yet... You're really funny kid : )
A lot of games on both consoles are losing exclusives. Xbox never had a lot at all to begin with so when Sony loses some its really exaggerated to the point where everyone thinks its overrr for the system. Its all about money and now theres more titles multiplat then ever and its all about how much better is the experience on each console with the game. (xbox live or PS Home for example) No developer is going to to want to spend a life time developing/porting a game that wont sell as much effort they put into it. Exclusives are getting thinner for each console. But making a PS3 exclusive game from day 1 to when ever the game is complete and with no other plans to port the game to another system in mind would be safe on Sony's part since the chances of it later going multiplat is very small due to the complexity of the PS3 which the 360 can be tweaked to handle but in the future it could be a problem which could cease development of the port & even w/compression the size of the game could also stop it.
@ruibing keep on foolign ur self valve ? u say u shud not speak until u played the half life series which when it was made nd even now looks much better than most games on the PSHIITE3(PS3)and the xbox and also all gaers knwo there no console game that comes close to counter strike source just none i have an xbox cod4 beta lookd great but the gun mechanics are not just close to counter strike in css the gameplay and polish is outstanding.
are talking about Bungie; in which M$ still has equity interest and a game development relationship. Business partnership does not require parties to like each other; it merely requires that there be a level of cooperation that allows them all to make money. Sony had a reputation for treating third parties badly; this was due to the PS2 dominance; third parties wanted to make money and Sony provided that opportunity but it was Sony's party and they called the shots. Now things have changed and the boot is on the other foot and it is Sony who is struggling not M$ or Nintendo.
Thats because it puts more money into their pockets. The only developers that say that are EA and Ubi. They're also the only ones that care more about the money then they do about the games. DVD = .02 cents, they sell for 60 bucks. 360 easier to develop for means they can make a garbage game in 6 months thus pushing out more games on .02 cent DVDs making bamk in the process. Sony has the most in-house developers period. You can't deny that. Third Partys could easily drop support for the PS3 and the PS3 would still be going. It just wouldn't have the 120 million units sold in 6 years time.
did i miss something? where did you guys here the tekken is going to the 360. I could have sworn the last article on that was pure speculation.
I'm really confused by what you are trying to say. I never insulted Valve at all. I simply said it was a challenge to develop for that has a high potential payoff in the end and disagreed with Valve's decision to pass it on to another developer for the port. And for your information, I've played through the entire Half Life series, including most of the mods and expansions, ever since Freeman entered Black Mesa and I have the Orange Box on my PC and I have been enjoying TF2 on my spare time.
You get your information from SPG? GTFO, you reek of [email protected]
wow go sony!!! this would get me buzzin if true!
You could write an article about any gaming company asking a dev to stick with their console. If the article was "Sony paying developers to stick with PS3" it'd be a different story.
It can easily be said that MS throwing money at devs is a good business move. (This is the true interpretation, it's a good move. Although I don't own a 360.) On the other hand it could easily be spinned to say, "MS desperately tries to retain developers by paying them." See how that works? Now, the real news here is that "PS3 wants developers to make games for the system." But is this really news? Sounds like Captain Obvious it making his rounds...
u do realize that even tho yes... some of those games u mentioned arent exlusive no more... sony gains a-lot more back.. anyone can tell ya that and can you show me proof of tekken going to 360... not calling u a liar.. i would just like to see that PS: .. dont forget that 360 has lost SH1T as well
can you please explain what series sony got back? sorry if im wrong about Tekken, i must be thinking of a different game.
now im not saying tekkan wont go to 360 because i think it will but it hasnt even been brought up so you info is false. and sorry buisness is in the future NOT the now. what happens when the future becomes the now and the present becomes the PAST(rhetorical question) square enix puts things on sony and ds. this article is kind of dumb because you could put RUMOR:MICROSOFT PAYING DEVELOPERS TO PUT GAMES ON THERE SYSTEMS OR TO KEEP GAMES EXCLUSIVE INSTEAD OF LETTING DEVELOPERS MAKE THE GAME MAKE THE MONEY. BUT THAT BUISNESS LIVES IN THE NOW NOT THE FUTURE WAS A PRETTY STUPID COMMENT WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE YOUR VERY YOUNG TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT
You know you dont have to type in capitals right? It makes you look very young, which I am not. I can understand why you are reacting this way because its a negative slant against Sony. But the fact of the matter is Sony is losing support, it is in no way like it was with PS2. Sony never had to ask developers to stay with them because developers knew they would get financial return on such a successful console. PS3 is not in the same boat. Its the most expensive console to develop for and has the smallest userbase. Nintendo had that problem last generation with Gamecube though it didnt have the highest dev costs so it kind of offset. But still Nintendo had to ask for games, an example is the Capcom 5, which really ended up being 3 games 1 of which sucked and 2 got ported to PS2. Why? Because of a small userbase.
@ 6.1, I see where you going but you forget that the xbox only sold slightly better and there were a lot of games it got that the game cube didn't. Gamecubes downfall was that it was looked at as a kids console. Also sony never had to ask before because what other choice was there? the dreamcast was put to rest and the xbox at that time hadnt established itself as a viable investment.the flame wars of last gen had so called experts predicting that the market couldnt support 3 consoles simply because it had never been done. they were wrong as usual. Of course they went with sony because it had a great reputation. I honesty dont see tekken going to 360 because as of now it wouldnt sell in japan and they love it. As bad as it seems for sony, their rep has still kept them above water. I bought a launch ps3 at full price, but i honestly didnt think it would do as good as it has due to its price only. I own a 360 and to be honest i rarely play it. aside from halo im no into FPS, to that piont not everyone likes the same thing which is why sony will never leave. People like a variety of choices.
thats y i see your point i will not get a 360 cause i can get the same genre on the PSWII with better controls no offense but the xbox controller is one of the worst i played with
are on offense. It can be ugly this time around. Wii my a** MS and x360 is the major threat. A console with flaws beyond doubt. People buying this piece of crap. Wow, intelligent of you. Thank you so much, retards.
The Wii is garbage. The games look worse then the Gamecube (except for Zelda) and that stupid remote has worse control then that stupid six axes. Wii is a fad that will pass, true gamers teens and on up into the early 50's by now want REAL games.
My first PS2 bricked. Did Sony replace it? no. When I burnt through a laser on the second? Did Sony replace it? no. When the second one bricked, did Sony replace it? no. That is where my second PS2 sits, broken in a closet, wondering if I can figure out what is wrong with it. You CLEARLY didnt have a PS2. The problems were RAMPANT. The Xbox 360 heat issues have already been fixed, and we already were told. And we've been seeing the improved hardware for months now. Motherboard Version 1.1. This Motherboard has fewer components, smaller components, new layout, and a new CPU/GPU mounting methodology. Look at this: http://www.mainstageclothin... "Having identified a number of factors which can cause general hardware failures indicated by three red flashing lights on the console, Microsoft has made improvements to the console and is enhancing its Xbox 360 warranty policy for existing and new customers." from http://www.microsoft.com/Pr... Also, read this loud and clear; Microsoft said at the Tokyo Game Show: "We have made all the improvements in our manufacturing process, All the consoles on the market have those improvements. http://www.gamepro.com/news...
how the mighty have fallen. BEGGING for support. Pathetic.
how degrading, i rather pay a company off 50 mil for some downloadable content than to beg / Sarcasm ends now... peace
Where, exactly, did I mention any other company and their business practices? Point it out. This is about the PS3. Not the 360. Not the Wii. I guess, maybe, you're trying to make yourself feel better about your system? Which, imo, is just as pathetic as begging for 3rd party support.
ahahaha!!! Next gen dear? NO! Oh wait baby crying again! ahaha BTW dont call me Pathetic. Sony is doing buisness just like Microshaft. Enjoy last gen on your xbox 180. Jump out.
youre bringing up another system to try to justify the sh!t that Sony is throwing out there. Pathetic.
all the sudden, Im on 'Ignore' by 11 Sony Fanboys LOL!
you are pathetic. Never doubt that. Im enjoying my '180' way more then my PS3 right now. WAY more. Have fun eating the sh!t Sony keeps feeding you.
It's a rumour no one said it was true. Your message fails.
You know what eating crap is? It is having two of the same consoles die on you, being told to pay $139 which you have yet to be reimbursed for, waiting 6 weeks to get the first console back that was dead on arrival and then waiting 8 weeks to get the second one back and then not being paid for 4 of the 14 weeks you lost from Xbox Live. In the middle of this debacle the company spokesman stands up and under threat of the CPA says, What matters to the consumer isn't if they had an issue but rather how they were treated. That is eating crap from a company. Then you get your 3rd 360 new only to discover that it too has a fault with the accessories. It's practically a crap eating feast.
I know you guys LOVE Sony but you got to see the big picture here!! loyalty doesn't sell games!! this is a what can you do for me NOW type of world!! I appreciate the past, but that's what it is THE PAST!! the PS3 cost more to develop for, the games ain't selling in a very high volume, so most 3rd party developers ain't making their money back as of right now!! as much as you hate to admit it, the PlayStation isn't the best system to sell games on right now!! my first option would be the PS2 then the xbox360, then the Wii then the PS3.
You speak the truth not the best console to release games on now. Thats why most games have been goin multiplat but sony has a lot of 1st party exclusives tons of them which will ramp them up till they are in a decent position to sell games. Final fantasy and mgs4 are the only exclusives sony really needs to hold on to from 3rd parties because these are their biggest 3rd party system sellers if sony holds on to these ps3 will be more than fine.
With all nasim and a few of these idiot sony fanboys try posting up positive news for sony..it doesnt help that facts show theres almost 2 million ps3's sold in america and yet they can barely scrape up 27k for folklore...which was a pretty good rpg game from looking at some of the reviews...whats more depressing is warhawk..the supposedly best game on the ps3 can muster up 199k after 7 weeks of being on the market...huh...what...some of you sony fanboys need too just be quiet.
You make me laugh... You're saying that because Sony sold "only" about six millions consoles worldwide in one year, devs should jump ship! Then please explain to me: Why would devs would have not jumped ship when the 360 had only sold 6 millions consoles after one year??? 6 millions consoles for the 360 after one year was good? Even if they had no competition whatsoever? 6 millions consoles for the PS3 after one year is bad? Even while they were in direct competition with the 360 installed based and the Wii? Jump ship, jump ship! Seriously, if i was a dev, I would just think about the possible market. What would 100 millions PS2 owners will do... Chances are that some of them will buy a PS3. 20%? 40%? 60%? Quite a sizable market... Look at the original xbox now... Not only the installed base was not huge, but how many games were sold for it... Remember, modchips were rather popular then. Not sure I would jump ship too quickly : )
The problem is the ps3 is hard too develop for....plenty of developers say this...when you make a xbox360 game you can also make a PC version as well...too develop for the ps3 you have too use a whole set of different options...look at UT3 for confirmation of the problems...no orange box this month..try december...as a developer would you rather only make one version with the ps3 or 2 with the pc/360? The xbox had the luxury of having microsoft devs program the kits for them..makes it very easy my friend...hence less money too spend for developers too make the game and more money too make. man I love n4g...full of cowards that can press a button but cant explain why....bunch of cowards.
@realgambler "Then please explain to me: Why would devs would have not jumped ship when the 360 had only sold 6 millions consoles after one year??? " Well even if we belive you about 6million ps3 sold (more likely 3-4 million in consumers hands) the simple explanation is the attach rate. 360 has 5-6 where as Ps3 is haveing 1-2. The hyped up games on ps3 have sold less than 500k and when the devs are spending 2-3 years and spending millions on devloping games and in the end sell only couple of 100k then jumping ship to platform where many games have been sold in their million. KAPESH?
The console with the install base gets the support and the games. It was PS2 last gen, this gen it is Xbox 360. People seem to think there is some kind of "Brand Loyalty" in the games industry. 3rd party games publishers "don't care" which console wins. They just want to support the consoles that are winning. To make PS3 games costs games producers "the most" money bc PS3 has the most expensive dev kits as well as longer production cycles bc of the nonfriendly programming architecture of the Cell Processor. Why would companies spend the most money to see the least returns?? News flash...The PS3 has "the smallest install base of all 3 next-gen consoles. Sony has ben losing countless games that have been exclusive to PS brand. Ace Combat, Devil May Cry, Grand Theft Auto, Katamari, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Virtua Fighter......Don't be suprised when other games jump ship. Overall Sony has no-one to blame but themselves. They put Bluray before games. They have shot themselves in the foot with their arrogance claiming that the PS community would buy a PS3 "no matter what it was". And that they could move 5 million PS3s even if it had no games. Does anyone feel happy about proving them right??
blood mask thats your opinion about sony blowing it on bluray. listen to some devs about dv9 beginning to show its age as. to small of a storage medium as games get more and more complex for this gen more and more space will be needed.compression and multi disk are so last two generations imho. i don't want to have to change disk and i want the least compression as necessary on my games.im glad sony waited for blu ray. once the install base of the ps 3 gets there and it will the devs will make lots of money on ps3 games thats if they write the games to ps3 specs and learn the system and if your in the business unless your lazy it should be easy to get up to speed on the ps3
"People seem to think there is some kind of "Brand Loyalty" in the games industry." -Question: If I ask you what brand of TV you like or what brand of digital camera you like, what will you answer?... Most people will tell you: "I love Toshiba, or Panasonic, or Samsung or whatever" right away in a split second. This is Brand Loyalty. Same with digital camera. If you had a Canon or a Nikon in the past and liked it, you will look at Canon or a Nikon first for your next one. Everybody is somehow loyal to some brand until they got burn. It's quite likely that a good chunck of those 100 millions PS2 users may have an eye on the PS3. Opposite is also true. You may have been burn by a previous product and never come back to it. What are the odds of people owning original xbox feeling betrayed, particularly since BC is not that great on a 360... "To make PS3 games costs games producers "the most" money bc PS3 has the most expensive dev kits as well as longer production cycles bc of the nonfriendly programming architecture of the Cell Processor". -Yet one guy, who doesn't even own a HD tv, manage to get a dev kit, and make a pretty decent game by himself. Everyday Shooter, remember? "Why would companies spend the most money to see the least returns?? News flash...The PS3 has "the smallest install base of all 3 next-gen consoles." -After one year, the 360 had sold about the same amout of consoles as the PS3. It had no competition. Did you hear any devs saying "Wow, after one year and no competition, the 360 has a small install base!!!" 6 millions consoles for the 360 was a decent install base for the 360 after a year. With competition from the Wii and the 360, the PS3 manage to sell as many consoles after one year also. If I was a dev, I would think it's pretty good. Selling as many consoles in one year, even if they are more expensive and there's so much competition? I'm sure they sleep well :) "Sony has ben losing countless games that have been exclusive to PS brand. Ace Combat, Devil May Cry, Grand Theft Auto, Katamari, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Virtua Fighter......Don't be suprised when other games jump ship." -Very sad fact. But it's the same for Microsoft no? They could not even keep Bungie under their wings. "They put Bluray before games. They have shot themselves in the foot with their arrogance claiming that the PS community would buy a PS3 "no matter what it was". And that they could move 5 million PS3s even if it had no games." -They put BluRay FOR games... The 360 has been out only two years and how many time have you heard devs saying space is already scarce. What will it be in two years from now? C'mon, we're not talking only RPG here. Games like Assassin's Creed are running low. If there's a sequel, will they still have to pull stuff off because of the 8.5 gig limit? "Does anyone feel happy about proving them right??" - I don't... A game console is a game console. I bought a PS3 because I seriously thought it was the best. Somehow thought there's some people here who seem to be quite happy to spend most of their time trying to prove that Sony is wrong : )
You talk a load of cr#p. 360 came out just over 1yr ps3 only been out 8 months in the uk and eu and 1yr in the usa and japan when the 360 first came out there was no nex_gen consoles so the 360 will have a lead. the reason why you slag of the ps3 is because your scared incase it takes off. And like all 360 fanboys say games games u are trying to scare ps3 owners to switch sides and ps2 owners to get a 360 because like you said bigger the install base developers will make games for that system. If thats the case you should be worried about the wii cause they are in the top spot in least than 1yr. And sony are going to start firing both barrels soon with the big hitters plus a price drop which at end of the day is a better bargin than the 360 and sony aint going away like you wish when they start rolling no ones going to stop them... they make execlent hardware worth the money than the 360 by along way...... dont try to fool everyone sonys only just starting...And when the 360 came out there was not many games for it and the only game that was any good was GOW so stop trying to fool us because you sounding so retarded trying to twist thing with your BS comments
we hate buyers like you edit: yes we do. Why buy something that breaks? B/C it says MS on it??? fvkn retards. Oh I loath you. Reason doesn't comprehend, now does it?
We dont buy it cause it has microsoft on it we bought it cause it has awsome games on it that appeal to Us americans more.not that spiky role playing stuff.
Because they have GREAT GAMES and lots of them! the 3 RROD would have KILLED any other system but like I keep saying.....Word of mouth sells EVERYTHING....games,cars,movie s ect. MS go it right this time and Sony missed the boat.
so for you if you buy a Mercedes that gas to be caled back because it has a defect, it has apened for more than once, and it came to you repared and working fine, if you gonna buy another car you skip Mercedes? Anytihing can have its fauls, if they manage to repair it for free whats the prob? And lets see how much time will Ps3 last without an avalanch of faults, if it goes the way the Ps2 was!!!. And Ps3 have its share of probs also , but no one came here an say it.