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Nintendo’s Next Console Will Enter The HD Era, But Not The Hard-Drive Era

Kotaku writes: "The successor to the Wii will not include a traditional hard-drive but will bear some of the traits of competing high-definition game consoles, according to sources familiar with Nintendo's planned 2012 gaming machine.

The console, codenamed Project Café, will include 8 gigabytes of on-bard flash-based memory, presumably for game storage. That quantity, while nearly 16 times the storage capacity of the Wii, is smaller than the 20GB of room available in the original, optional harddrives offered in 2005 for the Xbox 360. The amount of memory in the new Nintendo console would also be dwarfed by the 250 GB drives offered in current, high-end versions of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3."

NYC_Gamer4820d ago

would be foolish if the console doesnt have hard drive support

smoothdude4820d ago

I added a 320 GB drive to my PS3. Though I am sure that Nintendo knows they need to have some kind of storage solution as gamers this gen have complained about it a lot.

evrfighter4820d ago

I added a 2tb hard drive to my pc. and an ssd.

oh wait I added a 320gb. like 5 years ago.
sitting in a cupboard unused now.

WhittO4820d ago (Edited 4820d ago )

I just added a 2TB HDD to my existing 1.5TB Comp.

How can they NOT include a HDD??

Just proves that they will STILL not bring the features the other consoles have been offering for years.

With everyone becoming more "tech-aware" with owning Smartphones etc, I think even the casuals will understand how STUPID it is not having a HDD and will see just how much less it will offer compared to what is already available.

HolyOrangeCows4820d ago (Edited 4820d ago )

@evrfighter
.....and?

I think Nintendo is making a big mistake. We're only moving more towards the digital/internet age. People are going to want more.

And especially if they're going for the controller with the touchscreen....they might attract a more hardcore crowd based just on that (with it being a more classic setup but with more), like people were when the Wii showed a bunch of potential for shooter controls and such. And that's an audience who wants to download demos, trailers, and use their console as a multimedia device.

"People will be fine with that flash memory, Nintendo consoles never need to install games and they are never used as media centres"
And at a price higher than PS3/360 (most likely), they WON'T be expecting to do more than the Wii??

SephireX4820d ago

I've a 640gb hd in my PS3 and a 3tb one in my pc. Hdds are important and I think Nintendo is making a mistake here. It seems like they are still concentrating on the casual gamer and drawing them in with low price.

Reibooi4820d ago

If this is true they are shooting themselves in the foot. How many devs have said they can't do certain things on the 360 because they can't be sure everyone will have a HDD? Tons.

That in addition to the line that implies they are matching the PS3 and Xbox 360 but not trying to surpass them is also a giant WTF. Why would anyone buy a new console this late into the generation if said console is equal to what there already is? On top of that devs would again pass it up because they would be able to do the same games on the more established consoles.

Now granted this is all hear say until Nintendo officially unveils the thing at E3 but I really hope they are not this stupid.

jetlian4820d ago

means devs cant be lazy. Before xbox hdd weren't an issue ow everybody complains

darthv724820d ago

Nintendo isnt sony or MS so the path they choose is of their own accord. Passing judgement on the storage option is pointless if we dont know what the intentions of the machine are.

If it is strictly for gaming then perhaps that is where the sweet spot is for nintendo. If it is for media streaming then we know that a hdd is not always required but it certainly helps. They could still have the option of external storage by way of those small hdd enclosures that you can put your own drive into.

Why not just wait and see?

BattleAxe4820d ago

Its official, Wii2 = Fail. How can you make a console in this age and not have a hard drive. Nintendo is going to be the next Sega. I'll expect to be playing Mario Bros. Greatest Hits on my PS3 3 or 4 years from now. The game Cube was a failure, and the only reason the Wii caught on so quick was because of Motion Controls, well guess what, everyone has that now.

N4g_null4819d ago

SD terabyte chips are faster and cheaper and they don't break. Plus it will have USB 3.0 I believe and a sdhx card slot.

The flash is much cooler since it is faster way faster so trick like mega texture will work even better. I told you they where going to do this years ago.

2t SD cards are coming and they are pretty nice. They are also silent and you don't have any addition issues from spinning parts.

There is more but I'm sure some one else will leak it.

BISHOP-BRASIL4819d ago

@scissor_runner
Yeah, it'll have USB ports so you can connect a external HDD but I hardly believe you'll save DLC and DD'ed full games on a external HDD, piracy is a concern.

@evrfighter
The problem with Ninty not offering HDD isn't comparable to PC using HDD in anyway, not just that it's a console not a PC, but also cause you use that space for much else than games... The main concern here is gaming.

In this generation, the option to buy smaller and even full games digitally, as well as the option to buy extra content to some games, had became a standard (which can be argued to if being a good or bad thing, but like it or not, DLC and Arcade/PSN games are what people expect).

No HDD means Ninty isn't focus on offering much online (unless they present another solution).

sikbeta4819d ago

@everfighter

I have five HDDs in my damned PC, that makes me more cooler than you? :P

320GB in my Slim running smoothly, I have like 70GB left so no problems and about Nintendo not putting a damned HDD in their next console, I can't believe it, they can't be serious...

fear884819d ago

I am going out on a limb with this comment but I think that they can do without the HDD. Now before people start flaming me let me clarify why.

PS3 NEEDS a hdd because of the slower read speeds of the blu-ray drive and lack of available ram(ie: that isn't being used by the XMB)so it needs to install data to the HDD from the Blu-ray to not only help the load speeds of the game but function as a sort of cache.

Xbox 360 makes the HDD optional and only very few games require an install because the OS footprint is very minimal thus allowing more available ram and the DVD drive itself has a faster read speed.

Project Cafe can easily overcome the HDD just by having more ram, a very small OS, and a fast optical disk drive.

Of course there would be no room for DLC but I actually like that because DLC is nothing more than a developers way of saying that the $60 was not enough for the content and that they want more.

It puts a sort of pressure on the developers to press the game with ALL content. And even if there is DLC they will not easily get away with it because everyone would know its already on the disc.

Faster read speed and more ram will easily overcome that limitation because Nintendo does not market an all in one device like a PC, 360, or PS3. They market it as a game device and nothing more.

They are going to be fine.

smoothdude4819d ago

Maybe they will announce the implementation of cloud storage.

ComboBreaker4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

Wii gamers don't want more. They want less. Less buttons. Less resolution. Less storage.

Wii is proof of it. Wii does not even have anything like Xbox Live, and it's owning the 360, easily.

Why do you think Microsoft decided to go that route too? Less reliablity. Less money in your wallet because you have to pay to play online. Less games in your house because the 360 kept scratching your DVDs. Less Triple A titles from Microsoft because Microsoft spent all its money marketing.

I, on the other hand, am one of the few minority (we call ourselves PS3 gamers) that want more, for less or free. More features (like optional 3D) for free. More storage for free (free as in exclusive Blu-Ray games cost the same as 360 DVD game, so we're essentially getting extra contents for free). More reliability. More games (tons of exclusive). And soon, more security, for free (Microsoft would have hike the price of Xbox Live and force people to pay for more security).

stragomccloud4819d ago

Why did people disagree with what I said?
It wasn't an opinion. It was a fact. I recently put a new HDD in my PS3. How is it that people can disagree with that?

@evrfighter
Anyway, I don't need a lot of space on my PS3. I have 2 TB of storage and an SSD running my PC. Do you like playing the one up game? Grow up!

jeseth4819d ago

This would be a huge mistake. Maybe they plan on using cloud storage?

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Honky Kong4819d ago

I added a 1TB USB HDD to my Wii... works great!

Blaine4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

Maybe they'll go cloud?

Maybe not right away, but once they realize the demand for DD is increasing. A Cloud would be a good solution then--would require no add-on hardware, and they could even charge a fee for the service--it'd be a win/win for Nintendo.

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kyl2774820d ago

People will be fine with that flash memory, Nintendo consoles never need to install games and they are never used as media centres.

Scyrus4820d ago

@Kyle

nintendo consoles arent next gen noob lol no crap they dont need hard drives the games arent HD.

then again it would be sad if the next nintendo console didnt have a hard drive, that wud be some Sloooooow loading

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Ocelot5254820d ago (Edited 4820d ago )

@kyl277

but the install size will have to be VERY small with only 8 Gig available. It probably won't even be used for installs, but for updates and DLC.

and for god's sake stop calling everyone who gives criticism on nintendo a troll.

Agent-864820d ago

@kyl277, you were the one stating that "Nintendo consoles never need to install games", so the games will be loading off the disk which is much, much slower than either HDD or flash memory.

GiggMan4820d ago

Kyl277, I think that the console could benefit from a hard drive if nothing else but for demo's. By this being a new console, I'm assuming that the content will be a little scarce in the beginning and people on the fence about buying a game can at least try them out.

You can't do that (for long at least) with just flash memory.

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flyingmunky4820d ago

The 'hard-core' 3rd party titles that Nintendo is hoping to attract to its console might balk at the thought of having to optimize enough to avoid an install. Especially early on when the install base is small and that version of the game is already out on ps360.

After all I know of several games that run anywhere from 2-5gbs. That would eat up 8 gb in only a few games.