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Epic: "Almost every game review has a reference to Gears"

Epic's Rod Fergusson has said that almost every game review written has some sort of reference to Gears Of War within it.

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Shanks5173d ago (Edited 5173d ago )

ROFL Epic thinks they invented the cover system?
Kill Switch invented it and Epic copied it 1:1.

This is beyond arrogance, this is blatant lie.

Iamback5173d ago (Edited 5173d ago )

For it to be 1:1 it would have to be on same par when it comes to quality and execution. If you still think that, go back and play KS, and then play GeOW. Cliff admitted that KS was an inspiration, so was RE4 camera angle.

evrfighter5173d ago

wrong

The furthest I can remember using an extensive cover system was Winback for the 64

I notice the ps3 fanboys like to give credit to killswitch. But it's just wishful thinking

:)

Perkel5173d ago

"f you still think that, go back and play KS, and then play GeOW"

killswitch have quality and exacution in coversystem. Gears coppied it 1:1.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

what they added is jumping above and switching places. That is not mayor change to that system...

I_find_it_funny5173d ago

haven't hear about Gears for so loooooooong, oh there is beta going on that nobody cares about.

Can't remember last review talking about Gears... must've been like 2009

Active Reload5173d ago

"ROFL Epic thinks they invented the cover system?
Kill Switch invented it and Epic copied it 1:1.

This is beyond arrogance, this is blatant lie."

I'd say about 99.9% of you people didn't know what Killswitch was until Cliff referenced it as inspiration. Yes, you trolls roll deep.

On topic, as far as the title goes, the GREAT games are always referenced.

omi25p5173d ago

i_find_it_funny If nobody cares about the gears of war 3 beta why has it been trendy on twitter all week, the preorders for gears of war 3 are super high already, youtube videos of gears of war are getting thousands of views each and with the beta not being released to the public yet already has 10.000 players...

CommonSense5173d ago

i didn't see them say "we invented the cover system."

Chaos695172d ago

The Beta isn't public yet and it already has more players than Killzone 3.

telekineticmantis5172d ago

Metal Gear Solid was the first iteration of a cover system, everything spawned from, there.

RedDragan5172d ago

Active Reload thinks Gears was graphically superior to Motorstorm, Half-Life 2 and Doom 3.

Everything he says should be taken with a very large pinch of salt.

jjohan355172d ago

That's pretty retarded of Epic to make such a claim. Every review I've read usually makes a reference to Halo or COD. The only time Gears is mentioned is when the game includes something similar to horde mode.

paintsville5172d ago

Gears of War has set a new standard and high mark in the industry. Copied by many. When you have a game as awesome as Gears it's bound to come under attack. Oh and the only console you can play it on is Xbox.

jjohan355172d ago

I never understood why Gears 2 gets away with so many multiplayer bugs esp at launch with reviews over 90. Granted I enjoyed the single player, but the multiplayer was ridiculously buggy for a long time.

thats_just_prime5172d ago

What the ps fankids dont know is that many games had points in them where you were required to "take cover" long before they were even born. Sure its not a complete "cover system" they way that it is in GoW. however the idea been around for a long time

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L6RD7BLU35173d ago

"THANK YOU" finally someone else on n4g knows that it was Kill . Switch, And Bungie games thinks or at least people think that they invented recharging health when in fact it was the Getaway. Sounds like these reviewers and some people don't have there back knowledge of video games.

smackasauraus5172d ago (Edited 5172d ago )

No, regenerating health was in "Faceball 2000" which was a sort of primitive FPS from way back in 1992 that had hovering 'happy faces' moving through a maze shooting slow moving projectiles at each other.

The Getaway clearly did not originate it.

Also Halo did not have regenerating health. Halo 2 did. In Halo you picked up health packs to restore health. Your shields did regenerate though.

m235172d ago

Cliffy B already mentioned Killswitch as an inspiration for the cover system in Gears, They are not saying they invented the system.

InTheKnow5172d ago (Edited 5172d ago )

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As USUAL, the fanboys have it all wrong especially Shank who is blinded by severe fanboy-itis.

EPIC NEVER SAID THEY INVENTED THE COVER SYSTEM IN VIDEO GAMES.

What has happen is Uncharted, which completely stole their cover mechanic from Gears without the cool parts, has forced the fanboys to come up with some bizarre delusional ideas to defend the blatant lack of creativity from Naughty " the thief " Dog. It's sad to see so many confused kids.

People are always talking about " reinventing the wheel ", well, that is exactly what Epic did with Gears of War and the cover mechanic. Cliffy B has ALWAYS been a gamer first. He plays games and then adapts and streamlines ideas so they work with his ideas. That is why he is a CREATIVE DIRECTOR.

Killswitch didn't invent the cover mechanic in games. If you do a little BASIC research, cover mechanic type of game play has been around almost as long as gaming...WHO CARES. Killswitch was inspired by a game called Winback( http://youtu.be/n8OyFMmpW5w ) which was inspired by I'm sure some other game and games before that.

Gears Of war will from it's release in 2006, be considered THE cover mechanic that changed it all. Just ask Sony and Naughty dog. When Epic demoed gears to the world at E3 2006, it was an epiphany.

http://youtu.be/cwEW6pBBs1M

Of course the FACT the game released 2 years ( 2004 Vs 2006 for Gears ) after Killswitch made the difference night and day.

Gears has continued to evolve and Gears 3 will, like it's predecessors, have no equal in the marketplace though the competition is trying.

Besides the standard slide into cover, climb over cover, move and blind fire, slide or roll from cover to cover, Epic has really upped the stakes for Gears 3 by incorporating a host of great NEW additions on top of the already genre leading original concepts. Take a look for your self.

http://youtu.be/vNcfc_EDxxE

Gears is doing things nobody else is doing and I would argue can't. the meat shield game play mechanic, the mantle kick knocking down the enemy, the planting of a grenade and kicking the enemy towards another enemy, bayonet charge and a host of other features.

The haters are going to hate. Cliffy B ALWAYS talks about his " INSPIRATIONS " when it comes to game ideas. The chainsaw idea came from playing Res4. He thought wouldn't it be cool if " I " could chainsaw an enemy. You were right Cliff, it is cool.

BTW, what the producer ( Rod Fergusson ) in the article was discussing was that " MOST " reviews mention Gears, not all. I never here Epic or anyone associated with Gears say their game is the best and that Unreal is the best. Fanboys just ASSUME such things. Rod Fergusson clearly states that they " helped establish cover based shooters ". Actually, I think he is being very, very modest. They definitely did more than that.

schlanz5172d ago

Not even most. Some. Less than 1%.

NiKK_4195172d ago

Umm, I doubt naughty dog saw gears and THEN made the cover system, uncharted didn't come out much longer after that

nycrekid5172d ago

Intheknow

You wrote alot but contradicted yourself. I don't remember Naughty Dog ever saying they invented the cover system either. Matter of fact I don't remember any of these developers claiming anything. Only fanboys argue about this garbage.

How the fuck did Naughty Dog steal the cover system from Epic when you said it yourself they didn't invent it? you said they streamlined it? I've played all the gears games and all the uncharted games and I would say the cover and movement in uncharted is way better than gears so to each his own.

I love how when epic use an idea it is called inspiration and when naughty dog does it it is called stealing. Way to be unbiased /s.

HeavenlySnipes5172d ago

how you try and pretend that Gears of War is the best TPS. The first was boring because of the low player count, lag and wall bouncing.

The second was just an unplayable mess. Even Epic had acknowledged it and claim to now use servers so we don't have the online be as laggy as Gears 2.

I don't get what you mean by leading anything.

Uncharted 2 allows the users to make kills from cover using melee, is fluid with the sticking to cover (the character doesn't teleport to the cover like in Gears http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Uncharted made the TPS cover system much better. Not to mention the parkour. If you want to look at innovation in the TPS go look at the new stuff in Uncharted 3.

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EVILDEAD3605172d ago

LMFAO @ the Gears troll-a-thon in mis-quote mode..

His quote was 'We HELPED establish that genre'

Fankids through fan goggles still read..'we invented the cover system and Kill Switch didn't exist'

Only a hater would try to pretend that Gears' success hasn't influenced this gen in a big way. He speaks the truth..

Evil

vishant1015172d ago

if its 1:1 then y did it not get more praise

48K_gamer5172d ago

3rd person game?
Shooting?
Cover system?

I think you will all find the game that invented these is also the one that N4G use for the site logo.

:)

neoandrew5172d ago (Edited 5172d ago )

No one has invented cover system !!! It is a natural reaction to cover yourself when someone shoot at you!

They just put it in game, but they have right, if huge amount of game reviews references your game it is a big success.

Jonah_Reese5172d ago

FINALLY! Someone else has said it. I always say when you're getting shot at, what do you, nonchalantly walk behind a wall? Hell No, you RUN! Duck and roll to cover and see if you can get a shot out. It was common since with the Kill Switch guys, so Epic and everyone else said "well, this is common sense for a game where people are shooting at your face".

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RedDead5173d ago (Edited 5173d ago )

FFS, he just meant they made an impact in the industry with third person shooters, like it or not, third person shooters are compared to Gears and Uncharted now. That's all he meant...

If he didn't mean that and actually thinks Gears is mentioned in eery review...it's just plain stupid. He couldn't have meant that.

Iamback5173d ago

He doesn't mention Uncharted any where. He was strictly speaking about cover system and him thinking that they helped establish 3rd person cover based genre. Although to his defense he doesn't claim that they invented cover system, only that they established it. I'll give him that. Killswitch did it but it was poor execution, probably due to hardware limitations at the time.

Perkel5173d ago

Again it was no "poor exacution" it's 1:1

smackasauraus5172d ago

What you 'Kill Switch did it first' guys forget is:

1.) Kill Switch got very mediocre reviews on PS2, and XBox,

2.) Kill Switch's lead designer was working at Epic Games during the development of Gears of War.

So the idea that Gears of War "stole" the idea from Namco's "popular" series is pretty dumb.

Perkel5172d ago

@ smackasauraus

Even mediacore, did it first.

And cover system almost 1:1.

Gears don't have credit for it no mather how you spin it.

It never was "gears cover system"

miyamoto5173d ago

one million troops ....WOWWWWW!

Black102WingS5173d ago

Because not many people played kill switch, people assume its gears that invented the cover system and everything else is just a follower. Now that's epic lol right there.

edhe5173d ago

Oh ffs.

It doesn't matter who 'invented' whatever in the industry. The one that's remembered is the one that perfected it or brought it to the mainstream. The fact that epic have been completely transparent about their influences and have credited killswitch & resi4 shows that. They give credit where it's due.

So no, being a digital hipster is not cool - in fact it just shows your lack of understanding.

RedDragan5172d ago

Not necessarily, Gears would never have sold big without the marketting. Sales, and hence notoriority, are directly linked with advertising.

Had Gears been made by an small office independent that it would not have sold anywhere near the same amount and thus we would not even be discussing this game.

lodossrage5173d ago

but everyone forgets that there was a ps2 game called winback that had it even before .killswitch. I'd know considering I have both games

T3MPL3TON 5173d ago

Winback was on the N64 first, bro.

lodossrage5173d ago

it doesn't matter where it was. That wasn't the argument. The argument was that .killswitch was fun as it was back in the day wasn't the first to bring the concept

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Epic CEO Sounds Alarm On Changing Industry As High Budget Games Not Selling Well

Epic CEO believes the gaming industry is undergoing gravitational change. Many games are released with high budgets, and they’re not selling nearly as well as expected.

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Cacabunga255d ago

They are selling.
Gaas are a very risky model to follow.

Epic is lucky with fortnite, it’s the reason why they’re making such claim.

Development costs increased yes, but for me it’s due to folk relying too much on advanced hardware.
A great game is regardless of raw power, ask Nintendo

Zombieburger638255d ago

You blame powerful hardware? It’s most certainly because devs aren’t given enough time, mismanagement by superiors, forced dei and shit writing all around.

Cacabunga254d ago

Taking advantage of more tech means more time and therefore more cost, which can be risky if the sales don’t follow.
It’s what i meant.

bradfh255d ago

With high inflation, government money printing, and rising debt, many people will have to cut back on entertainment to afford food and shelter, especially with no increase in living wages.

PRIMORDUS255d ago

Sweeney is worth $7.6 billion, and a sell out. Turned his back on Unreal Tournament. With that much money he has way more than enough to make a new UT with UE5. If not he should just give the license away to fans and they will most likely make it better. Never liked Sweeney after he abandoned UT.

Amplitude255d ago (Edited 255d ago )

Do you really want a new Unreal Tournament though?
Games like Resistance, Warhawk, Unreal, Halo, Last of Us Factions, Unreal Tournament.... they just don't exist anymore.

If a new Unreal came out, it would have a battle pass, skins, nonsense currency, and would have to be free to play.

One time payment online multiplayer games that don't hold people's attention for infinite hours [service] just aren't enough for publishers anymore. This new generation of players too - they just seem to get bored if there's no endless progress bar to fill and unlock emotes.

I miss when multiplayer games were fun too but they aren't anymore.

(If anybody else is with me here, come play Warhawk on RPCS3, we've still got a sweet community of players over there and always love new people joining)

PRIMORDUS255d ago

I do want another one yes, just build upon what made UT2004 so good, one of the best arena FPS ever made. I still have it installed and play sometimes. To me it seems these types of shooters is where you see the most skill, no hero shooters where you have someone healing/helping you rack up kills, with Quake and Unreal there is no crutch is kill or be killed lol. Best for fans to make it, it can be free with no season pass shit. Maybe Quake 5 might come out one day and be like Q3.

remixx116254d ago

Warhawk, resistance, socom confrintation, killzone 2. Ps3 was amazing with the multiplayer shooters

Amplitude254d ago (Edited 254d ago )

@emixx116:
Still is mate. All 4 of those games have active communities on the real PS3 or emulation through simple DNS changes (and getting whitelisted through the Discord I suppose). MAG as well !

rlow1255d ago

Get rid of all the political crap along with DEI. Then they’ll start selling again. When you attack your fanbase and the consumer, what do you expect to happen?

LucasRuinedChildhood255d ago (Edited 255d ago )

No. Tim Sweeney is not so subtly spreading the bullshit narrative again that single-player games are dying - he's saying that people want to play games with their friends instead.

If anything, the big budget projects that are consistently failing to make money are the type of games that he is pushing. Metaverse, live service shit. Single-player games are more likely not to bomb.

But rather than sniffing out this bullshit, you're opportunistically going along with it to mindlessly scream about DEI. C'mon, man.

The main issues that do exist are outdated game design (Ubisoft, Bethesda), budgets getting too big in general and shoving live service into traditionally single-player projects.

Elantregaless254d ago

Gamers, why arent you buying high budget AAAA games? they review well on IGN.

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Fortnite maker's appeal in Epic vs Apple case smacked down by Supreme Court ruling

The Supreme Court seems to have given it's final verdict on Epic and Apple's legal battle in the US.

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Epic win: Jury decides Google has illegal monopoly in app store fight

Three years after Fortnite-maker Epic Games sued Apple and Google for allegedly running illegal app store monopolies, Epic has a win. The jury in Epic v. Google has just delivered its verdict — and it found that Google turned its Google Play app store and Google Play Billing service into an illegal monopoly.

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gold_drake551d ago (Edited 551d ago )

oooo shiiiit
well, there ya go

but i think the biggest issue are the judges in these cases.
most of them have no clue about all them things.

ii wonder what the judge will decide Epic actually "won" or what the out come is.

Petebloodyonion551d ago

Why are you saying the judge have no cases?
I think the judges shows lots of clairity that in a duality market (APPLE and Android) there's no competition when both are already agreeing on the price.
Do you think there would be deals if Wallmart was the only store where you could buy food?
How would the argument of "but there's competition between Cookies and cereal brands" would hold up when Wallmart could decide that each provider must pay a 30% comission just to display product in store?

There's already tons od laws to make sure that there's not only 1 physical store brand and that store owners can't be in cahoot with competition in order to fix price so why would this be different for Virtual storefront?

gold_drake551d ago

i didnt say that.
read properly next time.

and the digital market is more complex than supernarkets.

Einhander1972551d ago (Edited 551d ago )

"Do you think there would be deals if Wallmart was the only store where you could buy food?"

This isn't even the same types of argument, you have a variety of different devices you can get content on, like Apple pr Google or PC or consoles, all these things plus more compete with each other.

The only winner in this decision are Epic, Microsoft and other people who are already rich. All these greedy companies are using the law to steal profits from each other and it's going to be the consumers who pay more.

All these devices we use are heavily subsidized by the profits these platform holders make from selling peoples products. If you think Epic is going to start charging less for their MTX now or whatever your crazy, consumers are not going to get anything back from the winners here. All consumers get is the privilege to pay more for devices.

Edit:

"Wallmart could decide that each provider must pay a 30% comission just to display product in store?"

Walmart does take a cut of every sale in their stores....thats how they make money. They also sell shelf space, the products that are are in the center instead of the top or the bottom pay to be there and to have higher visibility and easier access. They also sell access because obviously they don't have enough space for every brands products.

Using your Walmart analogy, how long do you think Walmart would stay in business if they just let anyone walk into their store and sell things without helping to pay for the upkeep of the stores and other costs? They wouldn't that's why things don't work like that.

That is what Epic wants, they want to use these devices with out paying to help maintain them.

Petebloodyonion551d ago (Edited 551d ago )

@Gold _Drake
Sorry bad writting from my part I meant to say Why do you think Judges have no clues?

@Einhander1972
Last I checked tons of small developpers and consummer association complained about the 30% tax cut that Sony Steam, Google, Apple are charging so why do you say only Epic benefit from that decisision is beyond me. Heck I recall this article making the headline recently
https://www.gamesindustry.b...

As for Walmart Upkeep, I would like to remind you that it's Wallmart and other store who need to cut in THEIR profit margin if they want to match price seen in other stores and not the other way around like in the digital market where Game publisher must sign price parity clause to please Google, Apple, Valve and Sony
https://www.linklaters.com/...
https://www.ign.com/article...

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Extermin8or3_550d ago (Edited 550d ago )

Thst isn the issue here. Thr issue ws the secret deals Google was doing to lower its cut for certain big apps publishers and only them and the fact that a requiremenf for said deals was nof helping epic games sefup its own mobile store.

Einhander1972550d ago (Edited 550d ago )

"Last I checked tons of small developpers and consummer association complained about the 30% tax cut that Sony Steam, Google, Apple are charging so why do you say only Epic benefit from that decisision is beyond me. Heck I recall this article making the headline recent"

Yes, yeah developers and other people who are selling things to you may benefit but the main benefit is these large companies who want to bypass fees.

But at the end of the day they are not going to start charging you less, they are going to charge the same but get more profits.

And the link you posted about the case against Sony is filed by Alex Neil a certified con artist who doesn't care about consumers they just want a huge personal payout.

And as for parity clauses again the money is going to come from the consumers one way or another, these people are fighting to take each others profits, if the parity clauses are blocked we'll pay more for hardware.

The idea that any of these changes are going to make things cheaper for the consumer are a joke, the only thing that changes is who gets the profits.

And as for Walmart, you missed what I was saying Walmart may lower the price on an item but they just charge the manufacturer of that item more to stock it on the shelves.

In some ways the digital stores are better because they don't charge an upfront fee to put an item on the store they instead charge a fee per sale. Which if they have to reduce the fee that charge for sales they would likely recoup that money by charging a fee to sell something on the ap store. Which also would benefit the rich companies over small developers who would be able to pay upfront fees that smaller developers may not.

Which is the reason Walmart only stocks the major brands and not a bunch of start up small brands, because the major brands can pay for shelf space.

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1Victor551d ago

Don’t hold your breath yet there’s a long road ahead with the appeals process then the Supreme Court will have the last words and I don’t see this court going against the big corporations earnings.

I’m been known to be wrong some times and truly hope I am on this one

anast551d ago

The pot has been stirred.

Einhander1972551d ago

This is terrible news for consumers, while Epic and others get richer we'll now have to pay more for our devices.

ChasterMies551d ago

How? Android phones like Samsung Galaxy are not subsidized by purchases from Google Play Store. And Google can’t quit on Android because of how much money Google makes from Google search on Android.

Einhander1972551d ago (Edited 551d ago )

Google pays Samsung billions to have their store on Samsung phones.

Samsung also offers it's own store.

neutralgamer1992550d ago

Einhander1972

samsung has it's own store but how many know about that store? its like comparing MS store to other well known stores

GamerRN551d ago

So does this mean Apple also has a monopoly?

Plague-Doctor27551d ago

No. The cases argued were different.

Epic sued Apple for a monopoly over iOS. Apple said iOS competes with Android, MS, Nintendo, Sony, etc for Fortnite. Therefore there is market competition and no monopoly. The judges agreed.

Epic sued Google over a monopoly on android devices. Because Google was found to have shady deals preventing phone manufacturers from putting competing stores on phones as a default app, among other shady dealings, they found google has a monopoly on android marketplaces specifically.

Basically, Apple being a walled garden actually kind of protected them

ChasterMies551d ago

Android isn’t a walled garden tied to hardware like iOS. Android is like Windows or Linux for PCs. Any phone manufacturer can use Android and any seller can have their own store on Android. But Google used its muscle to tie up 90% marketshare for apps on Android. That’s monopolistic behavior.

Hofstaderman551d ago (Edited 551d ago )

Phil and slimey company sitting up and plotting.... expect to hear how Sony is anti-gamer for refusing to have GamePass on their ecosystems they may very well do this to avoid 2027 . I can imagine his email to Satya...."we got them" lol.

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