CNET's Don Reisinger writes: "With a rumored $399 40GB Playstation 3 on the way, a cheaper device hitting shelves in Japan and UK, and announcements of an all-out price blitz this holiday season, is Sony really as desperate as it looks?"
He contradicts himself halfway through his own argument- "I can't blame Sony for trying--the PS3 is hands-down, the most important device Sony is selling right now. Not only is it the harbinger of Blu-ray, it represents one of the most economically stable divisions of the company over the past decade." Why the hell would anyone cut prices and change their product? They want to sell the damn thing. Does this guy think they should just throw their hands up in the air and just say "Shucks guys. We'll get them next time." Dumb.
the question in the title was "Is Sony as desperate as they look?" not "Should Sony quit the PS3?". I don't think the author was suggesting that.
Once again, another article by him with a title trying to bait a flamewar. Misdirected content as well. Don't see him stating MS is desperate with their different models and price drops... imagine that. So sorry I bought a PS3 at launch now...NOT!!! Yelp...Sony circling the drain...NOT!!!
Its doing whatever they can to get those PS3s off the shelves.
This guy needs to get back to his roots reviewing the next gen "Flowbee Haircut Systems" as quoted in his BIO - LOL.
I love people like this guy...use the internet to "blog" and analyze industry's as if they have any clue on what is going on... First and foremost...he makes the comment of Sony focusing solely on hardware...idiot...SCE comprises more development studios than MS and Nintendo COMBINED...SCE's first party content output has always dwarfed everyone else in the industry...this is exactly how Sony sort of showed up and put Nintendo out of first place in less than one generation...and they haven't fallen out of that position yet... Sony needs 3rd party content less than Nintenod and MS, however the mistake Sony is making...or maid...was thinking they didnt' need it at all...and that is where the management problems came in, which have since been fixed...Ken is gone, and Sony has already made huge strides in the past year to fix some problems they have had with 3rd parties... second...is the "I find no compelling reason to play my PS3"...what the hell?...then why do you own it?...there are plenty of top quality games out for it right now...true there is no halo 3 level of hype for anything, but that hardly justifies how high of quality a game is... and if he is going to play that card...what upcoming games does MS or Nintendo have to counter Sony?...Nintendo has two mario games coming soon...and the 360 has Mass Effect...and then what?...if people should not buy a PS3 this season because "there is no compelling reason to play it", then please point out what the competition has that is so much better?...the truth of the matter is that, while its true you had to wait for it, the ps3 has arguably the strongest lineup from this day forward by far...2008 is packed full of so many huge games that its hard for anyone to deny it...while the media will still be saying what they have been saying (not enough games), the reality is the exact opposite... the reality is simply that this guy is a certified retard...He uses ignorance effectively to maintain a certain position...a position in which he simply dislikes Sony's dominance since they entered the gaming hardware market...Its easy to right off Sony less than a year in based on slower than expected sales...but the system, more than anything else on the market, has the legs to sell 100 million again...and Sony has yet to release a console to not do exactly that...
I agree with you EZ this guy does not know what he is talking about. Sony is selling on par with the 360 but that is a failure for a company as respected as Sony in the gaming industry. They are fixing the two biggest flaws..the price..and the games. This guy isnt even a gamer if he doesnt think uncharted, ratchet and clank, mgs4, and FF13 are huge hitters coming up. Also the price is perfect now for what you are getting. If he thinks the general public buys a 400 dollar system to play ps2 games then he needs to get brain surgery. Would people like to have BC...yes. ...is it a deal braker????NO. A5 for the WIN
By next year this time we will be flooded with " How Sony turned it around" articles and yes more fanboy blog bashing.
I have no idea how you get any of your information. I usually ignore you because I find you totally annoying and laking an original thought. What I would like to know is what has Sony done for you? Anything? You act like you owe them your life. I don't know.. your kinda weird and you creep me out. Anyway here is a site that actually has collective sales figures from Japan, America and Other (Europe, etc.) http://www.vgchartz.com/ All I ask of you is please.. just go outside. Meet actual people and make some friends. Unless you get paid by Sony to spread BS propaganda then I can understand that.
Wow, you'd think by the way this guy is talking, MS has actually been successful in making video game consoles. After two years MS has managed to sell a little over 10 million units...The PS1 and PS2 sold over 100 million each. So far I haven't been impressed, AT ALL, with what MS has been able to achieve. Does he think shareholders will continue to blindly stand by why MS piddles away billions of dollars for what? Preventing Sony's dominance in being the center of home entertainment? They pulled the plug on the xbox 1 after 4 years because it was a massive failure($4 billion) and wanted to start with a clean slate with the 360. Now what? They now have to deal with the burden of defective hardware that will cost them billions more to warranty. I would be very concerned if I were a MS fan as I wouldn't be surprised if this was Microsoft's last attempt at making hardware. They had the market to themselves for a year and have sold what after two, 11 million units? The hundreds of millions of PS fans aren't turning to MS. Did they disappear? They didn't flock to the Wii as that hardware is almost supplemental and not causing PS fans to jump ship. No, they are waiting for the heavy hitters such as GT5, MGS4,GOW3 and FF. For all the times I hear xbots running their mouths about the PS3's current lack of AAA software, I wonder if they even realize what will happen when the heavy hitters do arrive. Also if you visit Metacritic, you'll see the PS3 has 28 games with an average score of 80 or higher, so their are some excellent games such as Motorstorm and Warhawk(the funnest online game I have ever played). Sony has more people working in their internal development studios than Nintendo and MS combined. The AAA, system selling games are right around the corner, and MS has played its trump card(halo 3). What I see in MS and the 360 right now is more in line with the Dreamcast. Some good software but massive losses and failure to achieve widespread acceptance. Although I see the tide turning very shortly, the PS3 could be a massive failure and Sony still has the two greatest selling consoles of all time in their track record. If one of the hardware manufacturers is in desperation, I would surmise its MS. All they have right now is failure and losses.
"Am I as retarded as I sound?" what a fcukin' mook! Go away M$ fanboy.
With the way sales of the 360 are going it seems that microsoft needs a 20 year lifespan in order for the 360 to top 100 million. I don't know but to me that is not satisfactory with both the PS1 and PS2 reaching past 100 million within 7 years. The fact is that most gamers, and I use the term to describe a gamer with libraries that are greater than 20 in a generation, are mostly just waiting on the PS3 pricedrop. Fact is that there is no concieveable reason to own a 360 simply because you are going to get the same 3rd party software but exceptional 1st party software with the PS3. With microsoft, they pay third party companies to make 1st party games but with the recent split of Bungie and MS it became pretty apparent that most people with a 360 were just Halo fans. Microsofts first party offering is segmented and lacks any year round game coverage and third parties have to pick up the slack. But Sony has tons of studios working on all sorts of projects that vary between genre and price. They are also released year round and have very high quality so while a 360 owner has to wait for games and system repairs, a PS3 owner is always in season to buy a new game especially next year. The reason why Microsoft is moving too few 360s is because most of the software for the 360 is uninspiring with few exceptions. Now I am not talking about Bioshock, Halo 3, and Gears of War being uninspiring, those are great games, but its the rest of the lineup that seem to play mostly like last gen games with more cosmetics. The fact is that it is not 1-3 games that define a gaming generation but its the collective library of games. When you look at 2001 when GTA 3 was released you noticed other games with greater quality. With games like FFX, Timesplitters 2, MGS 2, and more, you see that the formula for a great game had changed. Games were playing differently and playing with different ideas. But one thing I must say is that the Xbox 360 games don't define a next generation feel. They define a hardware specification. The 360 games are similar to how Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 was on the PS2, sure it was great, but it only showed flashier visuals and no creativity on the developers part. I think that when games like LA Noire, Haze, MGS4, FFXIII, Killzone 2, Uncharted, Warhawk, The Agency, and more come to mind, you actually see an evolution in how we play games and its that idea innovation that Microsoft lacks on a first party scale and in 3rd party relationships. 3rd parties know they can feed a "run of the mill" game to an Xbox owner. The graphics alone sell it. But to a Playstation fan, developers have to think harder about how the game is different from other games and how it will improve over the previous itterations. If you think about how 4-5 million people buy madden and compare it to the 130 million people that own a PS2, THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. So that leaves approx. 125 million PS2 owners that play games other than madden and when you look at the respective 360 sales you will see the same sort of difference. You will see 12 million out of 40 million 360 fans will own Halo 3 by the end of this generation. So that means that more than 1/4th of 360 owners will own it but thats not something to brag about if its the only thing gamers on that platform deem worth buying. With the PS2, 5 out of 130 gamers buy madden. That leaves a huge chunk of the market open to other opportunities by other companies. Fact is that its not just graphics and variety of genres that sell a console, its how innovative the console games are from the last and when you look at it, the 360 is the least innovative.
Here's my article title for this PS3 article. "Does this PS3 hater hate the PS3 so much that he'll want to interpret the PS3 price cut as desparate?" Never trust any writer who uses a loaded question like that author. First of all, I'd like to answer his question whether the PS3 is as desparate as it looks, but first of all, you'd have to prove first that the PS3 looks desparate. Try this article title, "Is the xbox360 so cowardice that it's afraid to match the PS3's higher price and enjoy higher margins instead of lowering its price everytime the PS3 approaches?" Because the xbox360 is afraid to raise it's price to fight the PS3 fact to face, the PS3 will bring the fight to the xbox360 by offering a $399 SKU and settle this confrontation once and for all. Really, if Microsoft thinks that the xbox360 can face the PS3 graphics for graphics, feature for feature, quality for quality, then it wouldn't be afraid to RAISE it's price to match the PS3's higher price point and enjoy the higher margins from the higher price and such a strong and confident demand. But instead, you see Microsoft lowering its price every time the PS3 comes closer to challenge it. Hype, media manipulation, smoke & mirrors are indications that a console is ill. These artificial life support tactics can support the xbox360's life for only so long. The PS3 is coming, and that authors knows that. The author of that article is a prime example of sly manipulation used to try to sustain the life of a console that cannot sustain itself on its own merits. If an American product must win, let it win on merits, not dirty practices or moral compromises or unethical attempts. Prove yourself fair and square. If you win the track race by stabbing the competition with a knife, drugging them with dope, burning down their car before the race, vandalizing their neighborhoods, using steriods, comitting bribery or other dirty tactics, that doesn't prove what the race was intended to prove -- to see who's the fastest. It only shows that you're dirty. A villain. The title of the article from that aurther is what's called a dangerously "loaded question," It assumes that Sony is looking desparate to an uneducated person. But to someone else who's wary to fog & mirrors, they'd ask, "Why do you want to suggest taht Sony is desparate when that's not proven?" That is not truth, justice, and the American way -- or has it stooped to this level now for this American generation? This is how americans should be? That's not what I was taught. Oh yeah, I own shares of stock in Microsoft.
I cant believe this guy gets paid to spread this horse crap. ITS CALLED BUSINESS IDIOT, YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO INCREASE BUSINESS.
A blog is news? I should invent my own blogs. *Creates renders of Tifa and Barret on Maya highly detailed* *Posts on blog* *News!! OMFG MORE EVIDENCE OF FFVII REMAKE!!!!!!"
I doubt anyone would read your drivel.
This guy is a joke, he has no idea about business. He is just some stupid rich kid with an english degree. SONY IS GOING UNDER GUYS WATCH OUT!!! what a joke, its not that if SONY catches on its when you IDIOT!!!
well everyone knows Microsoft owns cnet...so this can't be very credible.
So we can use CNET most wanted gadget lists that have the PS3 in the top spots.. But when they say something negative about it they are owned by MS? Give me a break. OnTopic: I liked the article and as another PS3 owner I do agree with what he says.
Well, you are entitled to your opinion but that doesn't say much for your intelligence if you believe Sony is desperate by initiating a cheaper model option which is what the consumer base wanted from the beginning. Did you think that same when MS did the same with one of the many different models and price ranges they offer? Guess not since the press didn't write that article and blindly lead their cattle.
I can't recall any console in video games history "ever" receiving "2" price cuts in under six months. A games console is all about "the games". This is the reason the PS2 was such a success. It is no secret that the PS2 was the most underpowered system last gen. But it still came out on top due to strong 3rd party developer support. And Games, Games, Games. This generation Sony just put their harware(Cell Processor) and Media(Bluray) first. I would be willing to bet that "most" gamers could care less about these features. And with PS3 going into Christmas right now with only 65 games. Most being "ports" that are on 360 which is still the cheaper console things aren't looking good. Not to mention the fact that most 3rd party games are "better" on 360, and all of the 1st party games on PS3 aren't well known IP's that move consoles. With PS3 development being the most expensive and with games producers potentially seeing the least amount of profit on PS3 development bc of it's "small" install base. Developers are starting to choose 360 and Wii as their "primary" development platforms. EA is one good example of this. And it is a big thing bc EA is the #1 publisher in gaming and has been for years. A good example for Wii is Monster Hunter 4 being canned for PS3 and being released exclusively on Wii. And the "primary" reason for PS3 being dropped was bc of "High development costs" on PS3. http://www.n4g.com/ClickOut...
Point 1 - the xbox1 did in europe i do believe Point 2 - the ps3 hasn't had 2 price cuts in america in 6months yet the $400 is only rumored but a new SKU isn't a price cut Point 3 - Activision are bigger than EA and have been for the last few months now Point 4 - No well known 1st party 1ps? What about R&C, Gran Turismo, Singstar, wipeout, socom etc all coming out soon, still i suspose PGR and halo are the only 'well known ones' on 360 you were saying?
When blu ray came out they were $1000, and now you can get them for about $299-399 and some of them have the cell processor. So if a blu ray player is selling $299-$399 they have to be making a profit or phillip, pioneer,panasonic,samsung would not be releasing their own models. Sony is a hardware manufactor and has been working hard on cutting cost of the 2 most expensive components blu ray drive and cell processor. The only way to cut cost is for a component to go MASS PRODUCTION and use it on as many other electronic as possible and that's what sony is doing with the cell and blu ray. Sony has been around for many years, I think they would know more about the gaming market than anyone else, what do you think?
"I can't recall any console in video games history "ever" receiving "2" price cuts in under six months." Well its actually two price cuts in a year, stop spinning crap. Guess what sony's ps one did. I guess that..... wait, no it was the best selling system just right behind the ps2 another sony product. You know who else did it? your precious xbox one did it too. The system is hard to make for just like the ps2 for a reason. Have you played god of war 2, then compare that to the first ps2 games? The devs learn more tricks and slowly pull out more and better looking games. Look at fall of man looks better than halo 3 and fall of man came out with the ps3 on launch day. unknown? gosh man i got to school you up. Devil may cry, Rachet and clank, final fantasy, metal gear, gran trusimo, kingdom hearts just to name a few. Geez man 360 has the least, it only has halo coming over from the xbox. Also, gamecube was the least powerful of last gen. now the ps3 is only 50 bucks more, but you through in the cost of xbox live its about the same now. You guys said the same with xbox, ps2 has more games only because its been out longer, give it time!! And shame on any xbox fan saying that they don't look better. You know damn well why EA is screwing over the ps3, it was the same BS last gen, the xbox was a better machine, but when games were on both systems they made it on the ps2 because it was out longer then ported it over and they looked the same. The only difference is the sony already has tons of fanbase and sequels to the already huge hits from ps2.
I do agree with you that it is mostly games that move consoles, but if you look back to most of the console that come before it(includes 360, PS1/2, GC, N64, Sage consoles) their early days arn't all that happy and bright(maybe with the exception of wii). Yes, they do feel the pressure from 360 because development is much closer to PC's architecture, and they fact that they came out earlier, it will make them take more action than they use to with the ps2. It's business, the more competition there are, more action will come out from the producers, the same apply to 360 as well. do you think MS really want to put out new bundles that gives away free games? or spend that 1+ billion dollars on 3yr warranty? They don't. Is it Desperate? Not really, they can still go on without them. All these are simple Action-Reaction from the 2 sides. oh and this post isn't news... who approved this junk?
its good to know that there are people out there that are mature enough to base the results of this generation of consoles on pure business and strategic sense,but also the past generations. Inorder words everything you pointed out was absolutely correct.Ratchet and Clank and Unchartered might end up scoring 9/10 ,but they are not known IPs.So they will not increase the sales of the PS3. Sony should have known better and realised that their past success was not based on their machines having the most powere but their huge software library software library. People should see things as they truly are and stop talking about 2008 or 2009 but of 2007,and realise that for every AAA game that PS£ will have there will be another AAA game by 360 and WII.At the end of the daythe cheaper consoles will win.
umm wait a minute, R&C unheard of? Dude what did you base that on? I know more people who have heard of R&C than MGS. umm the xbox1 had more than two price cuts within the same time frame. On a side note I checked your profile to see if you were a fanboy or not and well your score was at 360 exact lol.
No price cut and Sony gets bashed, price cut and Sony gets bashed and called being desperate...this is ridiculous.
Is this guy as desperate for hits as he looks?
They blew it when they priced themselves $200 over the competition. Now they're just cleaning up the mess trying to get back into things. They better be desperate because they need to be.
You get what you pay for... I bought two at launch... and I don't feel I over paid for the pieces of technology that I have.
Ugh... So many better ways to spend $1200...
not when you could off 1 for over $1k profit...
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Fuccin HD fuccin DVD in his avatar and 100 bucks says he doesnt even own one...lmfao. Wow some of you guys kill me I swear. wait hold up. Here comes my Sony/Blu Ray avatar. Lame I kid you not. The gaming community has gotten so lame. And after the title of this article I already knew its nothing but troll food written by some desperate author who everyone failed to inform that the "Hate Sony Bandwagon" is rolling outta town soon. So quit while your ahead. Define desperate. Multi billion dollar company trying to manufacture there product in a way to fit everyone's budget and increase sales. Yea...thats what you call desperate. Someone revoke this idiots editorial licenses please.
nice post dude
"Define desperate. Multi billion dollar company trying to manufacture there product in a way to fit everyone's budget and increase sales." Than why didn't they do that in the beginning when everybody was laughing at them for having such a ridiculous pricetag??? Sony was confident that it would sell at such a high price and it failed. So they decide to downgrade the ps3 and sell it $200 cheaper after only an year? No other gaming console has EVER done that....well except maybe the 3DO or the Atari Jaguar. Looks like Sony realised their mistake. To bad early ps3 owners have been screwed over by buying a $600 ps3.
Still playing Warhawk? or Fall of man? Could have been great games WITH rumbel. Those are the ONLY good games on the PS3 and I can tell you if you have each system download ANY game that is on each system and they ALL look better and run better on the 360 PERIOD. If you dont have each system and have not dont that then dont even leave a coment because you do not know what your talking about. And its nice when a company says the game will be out on a certin date the game comes out. The PS3 is keeping games from being released on the 360.
I love how people can spin a price cut to be a bad thing when they're a consumer. How dumb can one be? Sony: "We're dropping the price of the PS3" Consumer: "DAMN YOU!!" Sony: "Why are you angry?" Consumer: "Because you're saving me money, I hope you rot in hell"
yea well the media found out that bad Sony story = a lot of hits, So don't expect this to change anytime soon. No matter what Sony does there will be someone there to say how dumb it is.
Sony screwed media and public with lies now its come back to haunt it.
Why not make up a story about how bad the 360 is doing, and how desperate it for games since Bill has to buy them all.
Tell that to the thousands of people that bought a $600 ps3 just a few months ago.
I was one of those people and I don't feel cheated, welcome to the world of technology where things are dropping in price every 3 seconds.
Developers have been calling for Sony to do this as soon as a day after the ps3 launched 11 months ago.... It costs a ton of money and time to develope games for the Ps3....more so than the Wii and the xbox 360....Then you add to the fact that Ps3's are not selling nearly as well as Sony predicted it would. Remember Sony said they would have 6 million sold by the end of Christmas...then they changed it to 6 million by March....and now its October and Sony still hasn't sold 6 million consoles since launch.... In Japan Sony is being outsold by Nintendo by a LARGE margin...and in the USA, the Ps3 is being outsold by the xbox 360 by a LARGE margin. Europe its being outsold by both the Wii and the xbox 360. Many thought Great games would resolve the Ps3s low selling woes....But in fact every so called AAA game that was released, have not increased sales....Lair? Heavonly Sword? Warhawk? Motostorm? Resistence? F1 Championship? So what does Sony do? They have to lower the price. Believe me, they don't want to. They have to. They tried lowering the price by 100 and that still didn't rise the sales to equal the xbox 360's for that month. So now they once again Have to lower it by 200. This should bolster sales. But I'm doubtful of whether the sales for the Ps3 will ever equal the xbox 360 in the USA. Word of mouth has hurt the Ps3 and 11 months of not ONE AAA game and an extremely high price point has hurt Sony more than they would like to admit. The Ps3 will never win Japan. The Ps3 will never win North America. And Europe is the only territory that they can even have a chance to be in the game with Microsoft and Nintendo..... Sony was far to arrogant and they were so dead set on pushing Blu ray....that they have hurt there position in the gaming industry considerably. Is Sony Dead? Absolutely not. But they have an uphill battle due to their hardware choices and lack of AAA game offereings. So Price drop it is. 400 for a 40 gig Ps3. Thats the price it should have launched at.....The console war would have been alot more interesting if it had. Nintendo went after innovation....Microsoft went after AAA games and superior ONLINE gaming....And Sony attempted to ride their name and previous success and push Blu ray.
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I absolutely agree with your point; its analysis except your predictions.
You have some interesting theories. I like how you can predict the future. PS3 isn't doing so hot right now. Everybody knows this. However, everyone also knows that the 360 breaks constantly, and the Wii is super cheap comparatively. That is in U.S. Japan is Wii country simply because they love that weird sh1t. PS3 is still beating 360 in Japan. And the 360 only has one game that increased sales. After two years, that's not so much better. I recall the 360 had no decent games for it until gears. As for sony's hardware choices, I think that in a few years, we'll see that they were smart to include what they did. think about it: Wii2 comes out with HD capabilities in a few years and is more expensive. XBox720 comes out and is more expensive. then there is the PS3, still able to keep up tech wise and is now cheap because it's been out for a few years.
"In Japan Sony is being outsold by Nintendo by a LARGE margin...and in the USA, the Ps3 is being outsold by the xbox 360 by a LARGE margin. Europe its being outsold by both the Wii and the xbox 360. " in japan it's already better than 360, in europe too ! and wii domination is going to fade after christmas. sony went after inovation too, more than others (dvd, bluray now, psp/ps3 communication, cell, etc), and 360 did'nt have more AAA games than ps3 in year 1, and finally online gaming is free ! (with a 400 price at launch, wii would cost 50 $ and 360 200$ for giving them a chance to fight)
You really like twisting the facts don`t you ? Sony said 6 million PS3 shipped by the end of its financial year, which was in March 2007. That`s shipped, not sold. http://www.gamesindustry.bi... How do you want to explain the 360 selling over 10 million 360`s by the end of 2006, but didn`t get to ship 12 million 6 months lather ? You can say a lot of Sony, but they`re more upfront about their numbers than Microsoft. http://games.slashdot.org/a... http://www.gamesindustry.bi... I agree with you on the PS3 needing better games, but with the price going down now, and games like Haze, Ratchet and Clank, Grand Tourismo , Sing Star, Uncharted and maybe UT3 this year, don`t you think they`re at least on the right way ? And if you take a look at the PS3`s 2008 line-up it`s hard to say things are not improving. You claim to be a gamer, but i think you`re one of the biggest 360 fanboys on this site. I don`t mind constructive criticism of the PS3, but you always seem on PS3`s back, yet give no critic to the 360 regardless of what reason.
I'm not sure why everyone is trying to bash you about your comment, maybe it's because somewhere inside their minds they know what you said is true. Sony has been humbled, but only slightly. They forced this new technology onto people with a hefty price tag thinking it will be sold because it says Sony on it. Guess what, it didn't work. I agree, it seems to be a desperate attempt to sell systems but I'm happy to see it.
...that is thee post of the day! Well done. Pure facts. +Bubble
" However, everyone also knows that the 360 breaks constantly" Here, I'll fix it for you: " However, everyone also knows that the 360 heat issues have been fixed." "Having identified a number of factors which can cause general hardware failures indicated by three red flashing lights on the console, Microsoft has made improvements to the console and is enhancing its Xbox 360 warranty policy for existing and new customers." http://www.microsoft.com/Pr... From the Tokyo Game Show: "We have made all the improvements in our manufacturing process, All the consoles on the market have those improvements. http://www.gamepro.com/news... ============================= ================ Your FUD is outdated. New machines are FIXED. It has been this way for MONTHS. Any user who gets a problem, gets a FREE REPAIR. Motherboard Version 1.1. This Motherboard has fewer components, smaller components, new layout, and a new CPU/GPU mounting methodology. Look at this: http://www.mainstageclothin... The problems existed in the first few millions of machines. The problem has peaked and is now fading into the distant past. The Xbox 360 has still been delivering the fun, the entertainment, the diverse gameplay and supreme value -- now that the heat issues are IN THE PAST, what makes you think that that is going to affect anything? You're grasphing at straws.
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Yes they are. ...and rightly so.
It's interesting how those who sincerely want a PS3 and who approve it see the positive side to this price cut from Sony. Granted, Sony has reacted but they have reacted positively after questionable decisions over the past 12 months or so. To define this new move as "desperate" is derogative to what they're actually offering; a fantastic device at an affordable price. I could equally argue that it's "the right move". And it is, who here will dispute me over this, whether or not a price cut is good for the industry and the consumers? The issue, presented by the article is, is the fact that Sony have had several price points. Is this the fault of Sony? Yes. Is it embarrassing? Probably. Is it good for them in the long run? Absolutely. Did they react? Without a doubt Did they have to react? Unquestionable And those who CHOOSE to remain critical over Sony, having much reason to do so over the past year, are now at a crossroads. Back then they used to attack Sony because of the high price and now that has been overcome, they choose to to attack Sony for dropping the price. What agenda do such individuals have, because I'll tell you one thing, their deceitful facet of appearing to be "neutral" or analytical, or even logical won't be bought by anyone if they persist with such an attitude. Heck I criticised Sony for their price but now they have listened and I'm ecstatic about that. I fully support them as I have no qualms. That's how it should be. We can all identify issues with every platform; the 360 and it's reliability issue, the Wii's lack of diversity in its software and the PlayStation 3 for its lack of quality software at the moment. Sooner or later, all these problems will be fixed aswell. Why do we CHOOSE to continue to ignore this simple obvious fact? Why do we CHOOSE to be directly bias basing our points of that bias on half-truths and issues that will be resolved? Isn't that itself, ladies and gentlemen, DESPERATE on its own accord?
...with using the word "desperate" to describe this move by Sony. It is only people, like yourself, who add a negative connotation to that word, that seem to take issue. Let's examine some definitions of the word: 1. reckless or dangerous because of despair or urgency: a desperate killer. [This might apply - Sony surely doesn't WANT to reduce the MSRP, but they certainly have to increase sales and it needs to be done urgently] 2. having an urgent need, desire, etc.: desperate for attention. [Definitely applies, Sony currently risks having the console race running away and leaving them in the dust] 3. leaving little or no hope; very serious or dangerous: a desperate illness. [Applies. Sony has little hope of increasing sales by a large enough margin without further reducing the MSRP of its console.] 4. extremely bad; intolerable or shocking: clothes in desperate taste. [May apply - the move is a little bit 'shocking' as two large price drops in such a short period of time isn't exactly the status quo in this industry] 5. extreme or excessive. [-$200 in less than 6 months? That's pretty extreme.] 6. making a final, ultimate effort; giving all: a desperate attempt to save a life. [Applies. This is really a critical time for Sony to sell a LOT of consoles to keep up to MS and Nintendo in this race. If they lose, badly, this holiday season then they're all but guaranteed to come in last place and continue to lose developer support and exclusives.] 7. actuated by a feeling of hopelessness. [Applies. They aren't selling lots of consoles. Period. The situation is hopeless without reducing their MSRP - again - and they certainly don't want to be in this position.] 8. having no hope; giving in to despair. [Doesn't apply - Sony has hope, and they're *desperatly* trying to latch onto it.] There is nothing wrong with calling this move what it is: Desperate. That doesn't mean it's a *BAD* move, it just means it's a move that's being made out of desperation. Which is a fair thing to say.
You know some Sony fanboy is going to do that for "Failure" and relate it to Microsoft don't you.
BenzMoney: That was the post of the day. Very nice rebuttal and you didnt once throw around a personal insult or attack any of the consoles. You definetly need more bubbles.
these are big corporations so i believe multiply strategies would have been considered long before now. Do you think that this new sku just hatched itself last month, course not. its a timed strategy that may have been pushed but never unplanned which is why i personally wouldnt use the word desperate.
Your looking at this from an entirely different context to that of which I am. Let's address the previous price cuts firstly. During E3, for North America only, Sony dropped the price of the 60GB by $100 and introduced an 80GB SKU with a bundle and priced that at the default price of $600. People were outraged and then this outrage turned into utter disbelief when Sony announced that the 60GB was to be discontinued, thus giving the impression that the PS3 would yet once again be priced at $600 with that 80GB SKU. Let's fast forward to the present. Sony announce a similar price initiative in Europe by introducing a new SKU at a new price this time and cutting the price of the 60GB and also adding a bundle to that thus consequently the real first price cut by Sony since the launch of the PlayStation 3 in the West. So in 7 months, they introduced the first price drop. Regarding America, the notion of "two price drops in 6 months" is actually misleading if you think about it. The only model that was dropped in price was regarding an SKU that was intended to be stopped but Sony still had two price points for the PS3 - $500 and $600 - which are exactly the same as the launch back in late November 2006 as you may recall. The only thing that changed was the SKU's, correct? Now in the next few weeks, we will see the first actual price in North America since November 2006 when we see the first $400 PlayStation 3, and the 80GB model with a bundle being priced at $500. People perceive those changing of SKU's as price drops but technically speaking we have always had a $500 and $600 model. This is the justified blame Sony must get. They initially launched with an inferior 20GB model without WiFi. Bad move. They screwed customers who had already bought that model, because of the cheaper price point, by re-pricing the 60GB at the same figure after 6 months. Secondly, the "desperate" definition's use in this context is derogative. To imply that the one's using this term are not doing so to paint a negative portrayal over Sony's decision to drop the price is stupid. Ofcourse this is connected to that they dropped the price. Sony should never have launched with such high figures in the first place and they're not stupid - they want to sell the console and they made a mistake (of which they'll never admit to) by not launching at $400 and $500 price points. Although some will continue to call this move desperate, and I will not actively challenge that as I can see the angle they are coming from, I believe it is much more appropiate to the context of the industry - call this "a rectified mistake" on Sony's part. Sony still believe they will have around 11million units shipped/sold by March so they're expectations are still incredibly high; a characteristic that is not of a company that is "desperate" - such a word that has negative connotations because it implies one is out of options, does not know exactly what to do, no other hope, now or never. Things of that nature. The new price of the PlayStation 3 is not characteristics of a dying console or platform; but one that is just about to begin life in alot of ways because it'll appeal to a broader and mass market than it ever did. And that is why I refuse to accept, personally, the "desperate" tag that certain supporters of Microsoft choose to use unsurprisingly. Microsoft have pretty much had a 2 year lead as Sony's games will start coming late in the year and early next year. The price will then drop again possibly around late Spring or Early to around $350 or less and with the AAA titles that are coming out - how can anyone with any sense call this a desperate situation for Sony when the future seems secure?