PS3 Passes Xbox 360 in Global Active Devices

Sony’s PS3 games console passed Microsoft’s Xbox 360 to become the number two TV console worldwide by the end of 2010, according to the latest research published by Strategy Analytics’ Connected Home Devices service. According to the report, “Global TV Games Console Forecast: Will New Sensor Technology Revive the Demand?”, the active installed base of PS3s reached 43.4 million by the end of 2010, compared to 42.9 million Xbox 360s. Nintendo’s Wii remained the number one global TV console with 75.5 million active devices.

[SnakeMustDie]

I wonder how they were able to get those "active install base"

[Octo1]

I agree. I always wonder where data comes from and if its at all accurate? Then again how many articles/report have we read stating that the PS3 will either match or surpass the 360 eventually? I am however impressed that if the PS3 does catch up or even surpass the install base of the 360 worldwide.The 360 had a year head start and the PS3 was damn expensive at launch.|Also it took a while for real good games to come out for the PS3.
Anyway. Enough of these data talks! Bring on InFamous 2 and The Last Guardian already :)

[darthv72]

nothing but a first place loser.

"wiining"

maybe by active they mean always on because my ps3 is on even when its not. Unless i turn the switch off in the back.

[Vherostar]

They get these stats by the address(ya know what MS ban if caught pirating software?) of consoles connected to the internet in the last 6 months or something along those lines. If you never connect your console to the internet they consider it dead. Thats what the stat here is Global ACTIVE devices. Even if it does only include online devices there is probably an even number of offline as online devices out there.

[DarkTower805]

This report (if true) shall make for an interesting Sony keynote address @ this years E3.

[zootang]

Darth72

Wouldn't a first place loser be last?

[Just_The_Truth]

yeah they had a horrible headstart but at least it resulted in a quality machine i know so many people who have bought 3 plus xbox because of poor hardware and the rrod that's why i'll never be getting one their company model needs to change. I love my PS3 and i'm glad they have competition though.

[afterMoth]

Well there are lot of broken 360's out there and that is being conservative. Some broken PS3's and Wii's as well but nowhere near the epidemic that the 360 has encountered.

You can't be active if you are RROD, can you?

[zag]

They get the data by paying for the data.

Once they have the data they'll do stats based on the data they have been given.

[shadow2797]

^Except none of this argument really matters because there's no way there are 43.4 million PS3's online. That's over 95% of the total PS3's sold. Factor in the number that have broken or go unused, and you have no margin for the tons of people who don't connect their PS3's to the internet.

I don't have any way of knowing how accurate these numbers are, but I can assure you they aren't counting the number of PS3's connected to the internet.

Edit: Whoops. Meant to reply down there V

[YodaCracker]

LOL, these are the same guys that predicted the PS3 would sell 127 million units in its lifetime, versus 103 million for the Wii.

http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

Take this with a grain of salt. Imagine if these same analysts were saying something in favor of the 360. They would immediately be bashed, this article would be placed under the rumor section, and would be voted as "Doubtful".

But if we do want to pretend this article is true, then the PS3 software sales must be worse than we could have ever imagined. You're telling me the PS3 has more active users than the 360 yet 360 multiplatform games almost always sell more - sometimes 2X more? Wow. That would be REALLY pathetic.

[stevenhiggster]

@Darth

The saying is actually
"Second place is just the first loser."

[Ryo-Hazuki]

i think xbox360 numbers are inflated due to the fact alot of ppl purchased more than one xbox due to the issues it had (5 360s in my lifetime). So i do believe this is an accurate report

[colombiankilla01]

@ Yodacracker Why you think the PS3 has a bigger attach rate? it has exclusives and multiplats! Xbox only has multiplats! Its not so difficult to understand just think about it!

[ComboBreaker]

And they said this will never happen.

They also said BluRay will never win.
3D will never take on.
The PS3 will be doom.
Forza 3 wil beat GT5 in sales.
And pigs will fly.

[FACTUAL evidence]

Hmm..IDK if this is accurate, but if it is I'm not surprised. Sony Always will have a spot in the generation of consoles, and first place is it's home.

[oohWii]

"Global Active Devices (GAD)"

Haha, that's some funny shit!

Let's make up another one for tomorrow, lets try Digital United Media Broadcasting And Servicing Systems (DUMBASS)

It's amazing the shit people come up with the make themselves feel better.

GLOBAL ACTIVE DEVICES....what a fckin Joke!

Also BTW, the 100M plus PS2s sold are simply voided because the are no longer "GAD" for because they are not "GAD" they never were sold.

@VHEROSTAR the incredible(below) - How do you recon they could tell the number of consoles being online when they are behind a router with NAT. Some game playing store have 15 consoles in them behind a firewall using the same internet IP. Are they using the MAC addresses? and does that mean, they can tell a consoles MAC from a PCs or an IPADS?

[sdtarm]

^U mad buddy?

[livinwitbias]

Excellent points oohwii!

You got lil trollers like SDTARM talking smack but he couldn't refute your point. He wasted his lone bubble to troll and made no counter points. I've noticed a lot of that lately on N4G plenty of disagrees without counter points. This place is slipping deeper and deeper into the abyss...lol I also noticed that you also had 12 disagrees. Do fret, disagrees when you are taking thunder away from the PS3 actually translate to "Yeah you got a point, but we're too immature so say so."

haha, global active devices...lol that shit is funny. Talking about grasping for straws...lol

[illizit]

@oohWii lol you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. First, yes they are counting the MAC addresses. How can they distinguish them between other devices? I'm glad you asked. The first half of a MAC address is known as the manufacturer ID which is unique for each company that produces them (Sony, microsoft, Intel, etc. All have one) the next few numbers identify the model and serial number so yes, they can tell. And they can even tell when it was manufactured as they have a database of all MAC addresses.

[ARBitrator]

@illizit - Although you sound intelligent, you still don't quite have it figured out either while you're calling oohwii out, you totally missed his point. Especially after your quick visit to wiki or an IP dictionary.

Although the organizationally unique identifier (first 3 octets) will identify the organization that issued the identifier that could be either the manufacturer of the network card/device or in some cases the buyers (MS) administrator. They can issue them however they please as long as they are unique.

With that being said, MS could override the burning identifier and perform the id process locally, HOWEVER, they could have issued part of the same series of numbers to their Zune and other products as well. Being they are only required to make sure the devices are unique.

IMO, there is no way, these people were able to capture EVERY single MAC address of every active device and chart it with any consistent accuracy, chart the data, and without error determine the device type. Besides, what's to say MS even did localized identifiers, perhaps they left the burnin MACs in tact from linksys or whom ever made the network card/adapter.

What if I used and third party network adapter on my older 360, now what? What if I did network sharing with my laptop?

Besides, even if oohwii doesn't understand the full concept of MACs, his/her point was taken and valid, and his/her point about "GAD" being a joke is equally valid.

Funny thing is you saw a flaw in his/her MAC analysis and attacked, rather than adding something intelligent to an otherwise bullshit article. That truly mean ABSOLUTELY noting.

[KageMonkey]

ARBitrator - it sounds like you read about MAC addresses in a textbook, added your own interpretation of it, and try to pass off that false information as fact.

I have purchased tens of thousands of MAC addresses for network hardware for numerous embedded systems, and I can tell you that you CANNOT arbitrary create MAC addresses of your own.

The buyer of the addresses are assigned a BLOCK, there is no such thing as an "ID process" that allows you to assign any number you want as that would conflict with others' assigned block. In other words, illizit was perfectly correct, and in you trying to call him out to show-off, not only were you completely wrong, all you've done is show off your lack of understanding.

This is a perfect example of how people who use and work with Microsoft products usually have no clue what they are talking about, but always try to pass their false technical understanding as fact.

You have a complete false notion of how MAC addresses work and you should NOT be trying to pass off your lack of knowledge as the truth. In other words, everything you have said is invalid.

[suicidalblues]

@KageMonkey

+1 for not only sounding smart, but actually being smart(there's a difference).

[kopicha]

@kagemonkey

+1 to you too. why waste time with that moron. look at what he commented on my replies further down. he dont even know what is he talking and just try to take his own points and think the world evolves around him. fanboy are stupid period

[Kurt Russell]

Wow, there is some serious nerd rage going on!

Nobody actually cares about GADS, MACS, BLOCKS or any of the other points you all capitalised... Instead they wake up and get on with their lives. I suggest you all start doing the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[3XP]

@KageMonkey - Even though I don't believe that you (you personally) have bought tens of thousands of MAC addresses...blah blah blah.

I do agree with you in the fact they are bought in unique blocks. Once a company received their block of MACs, they can distribute them as they please i.e to an enbedded system, a sub contractor manufacturing a project for them or whatever. In a lot of cases the manufacturers MAC will remain like in network card an adapter manufacturing and then the item rebranded if necessary.

I'm an network administrator, so I work with MACs a lot, but not to the point of knowing if they can be they can be burned in or re-identified by a company that bought a block. I know that they can be spoofed.

It's also my understanding that when MAC information leaves your computer it has your computer's MAC address, but when it arrives at your router that MAC address is removed. When the information is sent by your router further upstream to your ISP's router, it contains the MAC address of your router. When it moves from the ISPs router to another router on the internet, it contains the MAC address of the ISPs router.

I could be wrong, but this is how I thought MACs work on a network they are used to determine where info is to be sent along with the internal IP.

One thing that arbitrator said that I felt was true was that it would be very difficult to track EAD's based on MACs with external NICs, and other ways of getting connected. I place where you said the other dude was completely right when infact he wasn't.

You didn't address that because you were too busy showing how intelligent you thought you were. An you didn't really address the basis behind the whole argument, It's funny how cocky a person can get when they think they know something isn't it.

You spent more time addressing where he stepped into you field of work, called him out for his wrong and completely ignored the thing he said that were right.

Perhaps that was your INNER FANBOY.

Either way, this article is pointless an the flamebait component in it worked as it was planned.

[malamdra]

while I think that the PS3 install base larger I agree with SnakeMustDie that there's really no way to measure this accurately

there's people with back up consoles stored away on attics, people with two units of the same console one for online, one for piracy, there's people that bought only one console to play offline only and it broke and they didn't replace it so they still count as active, etc

but if you do a calculation with percentages of lifetimes sales and failure rate, and then you factor in consoles replaced for free, etc the PS3 will probably be ahead but the results are at best broad estimates

[Vherostar]

There is no estimation needed and this can be done accurately down to the last console. Soon as you connect your console to the internet they know your ACTIVE. That's what this is showing not how many people own a console how many actively use it to its specifications which internet is 1 one those. So if you console was connected to the net in 2010 your one of those numbers. Even for a second... If you don't connect ever you won't be but in a modern day society there isn't many who don't so its a small percentage and to be fair 360 and PS3 owners would be around the same offline.

[malandra]

@Vherostar

you're wrong, there's millions of people who never connect the console to the internet because of piracy, it has nothing to do with modern society

pretty much every pirated console has to stay offline or they'll brick or a firmware update might overwrite the custom firmware that let's them play back ups

also that's the same reason it also affects the calculation, there's no way to know how many console are out there, but I can tell you that when a popular game first shows up on torrent sites is downloaded millions of times to be played on offline online consoles

[NiKK_419]

i'm gonna take a guess and say that the consoles that are offline don't necessarily matter because almost everyone who has a ps3 and 360 has had their console connected to the internet at one point, which is what this test is measuring, and for all the offline (but still used) 360s there is probably an equal (or close) number of ps3s, so all the excuses of consoles being offline doesn't really matter because it applies to both ps3 and 360, not just 360.

besides, the reason a lot of 360s are offline is because of RROD, and yes a lot of ps3s are offline because of YLOD, but RROD is a lot more widespread and deadly disease

[xAlmostPro]

There's many ways to figure this stuff out..

You can pay for the stats from sony, microsoft etc to get sales details etc.

Not only that but they can track via MAC addresses im sure(for checking how active the console is, if they've connected to the internet with it) once you connect your MAC is put into a database where it can be monitored and such therefor they can(sony or microsoft) see how many are active(when talking about internet use anyway)

[Brianna]

@NiKK_419

Piracy on the PS3 started in the last year or so, the 360 has been hacked for almost 5 years

if you buy a modded/flashed 360 you can never connect it to the internet, so in 5 years, that's plenty of consoles that don't count for any calculation

[ReBurn]

So who has the super-awesome technology that watches for every single new device that connects to the whole Internet and catalogs it by type for reporting purposes? Can they tell how often it connects and from where?

I want to know so that I can invest in the company that can simplify such a complicated problem. That data has to be a goldmine.

[otherZinc]

See, this is the kind of garbage we have to look forward to when NPD shuts us out! This is no where near accurate.

Thanks NPD for letting s*** like this fill the minds of the stupid!

[RedDragan]

NPD doesn't shut you out, they simply don't have realtime data. If you only understood the magnitude of the task of collecting the data you would then realise why NPD cannot give you data on demand.

This is not the year 2050. Realtime sales data is a long way away.

And I would say this information given in this report is fairly accurate, but we simply do not know what they mean by Active Devices. Is this is reference that has hit Live and PSN just once it's lifetime? We simply do not know. But whatever they are talking about, it is probably accurate but meaningless nonetheless without any further information.

[Eyeco]

couldn't care less if the ps3 was 1st 2nd or 3rd, im still gonna think its the best console this gen

[Dart89]

Holy s**t fanboy storm coming in.

[jadenkorri]

best comment video ever

[THC CELL]

Wow like i care about sales
Its about gaming.

[LOGICWINS]

"Wow like i care about sales
Its about gaming."

So why did you bother commenting in a news article entitled "PS3 Passes Xbox 360 in Global Active Devices"?

[jadenkorri]

haven't you noticed that as the amount of sales get closer between the ps3/360, the 360 fanboys are now switching from sales perspective to its about gaming, and the ps3 fanboys switching from gaming to sales argument.

[upturned2]

we just can now start saying sales matter ever since our first standpoint, that the ps3 is far more powerful and superior.

So now we're using both perspectives.

[kikizoo]

"the 360 fanboys are now switching from sales perspective to its about gaming, and the ps3 fanboys switching from gaming to sales argument"

no, the ps3 fanboys can play with the 2 arguments now (since more than 3 years)..

[Darkseeker]

It's not about sales, it's about install base here. Obviously, the 360 still has 2-3 millions sales over the PS3, but the 360 sales includes a lot of second or third puchases due to RRoD. Of course, since people bought a second or third 360 due to RRoD, their old ones isn't working anymore and can't be counted as install base.

You could argue that the PS3 also has YLOD, but that wouldn't matter much because the problem is insignificant and anybody who takes minimum care of his machine won't ever get it.

[DaTruth]

Care has nothing to do with it! I took maximum care of mine and the fan died! Shit happens to 3% of PS3 devices; shit happens to 40% of XBOX360 devices, but shit happens regardless!

[mendicant]

@Darkseeker,

Who are all of these people that had to buy new 360's when Microsoft was repairing them for free(at least here in the states)and paying s&h charges? When my PS3 went out on me I paid $150's.

I don't know a single person who paid for their 360 to get repaired once MS extended their warranty. Even if you did pay, they gave you back your costs.

Yes the whole situation sucked but I'm being honest when I say that at least I didn't have to pay for any problems I had.

Was I upset with my multiple 360 issues? Absolutely. Did MS make good on it and take care of me? Yes they did. I have to give respect where it is do. They made right on the problem. Both in paying for repairs and creating a more streamlined, effect model that isn't prone to issues.

The only time I've ever paid was for the intial console and the new type S. I had multiple issues inbetween and they were all taken care of and paid for. I only had one PS3 go out on me and I paid.

Just saying...

[moparful99]

@mendicant Of course microsoft came in like the white knight in shining armor and came out the hero in all of this.. Thats what they wanted.. But what you fail to recognize is that the 360 is the worst example of faulty consumer electronics in history.. That is no an exageration, it was so bad in fact that the government was about to open an investigation and microsoft was facing potential legal issues over it.. That is one and only reason they replaced faulty console.. NOt because it was the right thing to do, but because it would have probably forced them out of the games industry alltogether.. I had my 60 gig launch model finally give out on me this year after 4 1/2 years of service and I paid 150 bucks for a refurb slim and I was all to happy to pay that.. It was MY fault that I didn't purchase the extended warranty and I had to pay.. Ohh and sony paid for the shipping and handling which microsoft no longer does...

[mendicant]

@moparful99,

I don't fail to realize anything. Of couse MS's response was motivated by legalities. I don't care what their motivations were, I just care that they fix it.

I'm not naive enough to believe that multi-national corporations like Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo don't have their reasons for doing what they do outside of making a dollar. Sure they have talented people, all of them, doing what they love to do. But at the end of the day, it's about making money. And I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm paying you for a service. I expect certain things for my money. If you mess up on your end of the agreement, you pay.

Edited: irrelevant point

[livinwitbias]

@mendicant - Great point, but don't expect a sensible response. I have NEVER see a PS3 user on this site agree to something if it either made MS look good or made Sony look bad.

They just won't do it.

[ARBitrator]

Good point LWB, I can honest say that I think that the current generation of the Sony fanboy, is probably the worst ever.

I'm sure lots of people outside of N4G would agree; both amateur and professional; gamer and media.

[kopicha]

@mendicant

you are wrong. yes microsoft does repair or replace the 360 with an international biatch. but i do have friends who had few 360s and thru this generation he is already on his 4th 360. mind you they aint replacement. he buy new one. currently he have 2 360. while another 2 he sold them off. so yes there are repeated purchase of the same console for 360 case. i find 360 fanboy really funny after readhing this article. they shoot at PS2 calling them invalid bacause they aint GAD = not sold. But they themselve never never admit that due to RROD from a same owner can own more than 2 - 3 360 in the same generation which makes M$'s number invalid as a whole. oh before you start calling me ps3 fanboy mind you i have both. i dont particular side any of them. i just play my game

[ARBitrator]

@kopicha - Don't be a moron, if you have a 360 that RROD on you within the 3 year warranty period it is repaired or placed FOR FREE by microsoft. If your friends went out and bought new ones, then perhaps you should have helped them out and told them to get it repaired by MS. Wait, I forgot, you didn't know that.

[kopicha]

@ARBitrator

you are then the moron. ppl do what they like. he prefer to buy one and just send in the rrod for repair to continue his game as he need to wait for a week before getting back the international biatch. and oh in case you dont know m$ dont repair your freaking machines. they basically replace you with another refurb set you moron. its his choice to rather own a new one than getting back the refurb. i dont have to teach him what to do and thats what he wants to do. before you claim i dunno check if i own a 360 or not first stupid moron fanboy.

to the 2 that disagree me... you make yourself look stupid for trying to disagree with me with something that already happened! thats really pathetic

[BlackTar187]

Hopefully we can all talk about games now :)

[Crystallis]

Really, lets get this who second and who last out of the way so we can talk real talk...GAMES!

[BlackTar187]

That went well :)

[GiggMan]

LOL

I'm sorry, I pictured a crowd rabid fanboys suddenly getting quiet, and then throwing rocks at you.

[GameTavern]

I'm not even sure what this means?

Does that mean that there are more PS3 people used in the wild? If that's the case, how did they get the number?

[xabmol]

Tarot cards.

[ThanatosDMC]

Crystal balls

[Dannagar]

LOL, that's a good joke. Except that XBL is more active than the PSN. The Xbox 360 continues to have a larger World Wide User base by 5 million and sell a higher percentage of software in both retail and the digital marketplace. It was announced at the beginning of the year that the Xbox 360 had hit the 50 million unit's sold mile stone. It's continued to out sell the competition month to month. Kinect's been outselling MOVE. Games such as Call of Duty: Black Ops sell more on Xbox 360 than PS3. And somehow PS3 is ahead.

[lee_ten]

keep telling yourself that.

[Dannagar]

I don't need to. Sale figures tell me that. The life of a console can be measured by it's activity. The fact that the Xbox 360 has a higher activity level over PS3 has been well documented as well as the over all sales figures.

[TheTwelve]

The fact that this article even exists, and that it's being debated proves that something's up. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and those RROD's were going to count one day.

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[palaeomerus]

Sometimes smoke is just bad methodology, wishful thinking, or total bonzo bullshit.

[BK-201]

.

[theonlylolking]

Yes, more people are online on the xbox 360 than PS3 but think about who is actually playing on the 360 most of the time...people who have the time to play it. The majority(that I have encountered) are not kids they are people near and over 20 years of age. That age group do not have as much time as a 12 to 16 year old does so that means more will be online.

[ayob]

for psn we dont know the exact numbers but there are over 60million psn accounts compared to Xbls 30million accounts. microsoft said about 50% of xbl accounts are subscribed to gold which leaves us with only 15million active online players on xbl. i dont know how you can claim xbl has more active online user than psn.

Sources: http://www.joystiq.com/2011...

http://kotaku.com/#!5703948...

http://www.joystiq.com/2011...

[YodaCracker]

@ayob

So that is 30 million Xbox LIVE accounts out of an install base of 53 million (Xbox 360), versus 60 million PSN accounts out of an install base of 116 million (PSP and PS3). There is no way to know how many of these accounts are unique on PSN, while on the 360, we know that there are at least 15 million Gold members, which means each one has to be unique, because they are paying for the service.

[StupidDude]

You used Call of Duty and Kinect as a defense.

Just thought you should know that.

[YodaCracker]

Kinect is the fastest selling consumer electronics device of all-time and is the sole reason the Xbox 360 continues to outsell the PS3.

And he pointed out Call of Duty sales because the series sells tons more on the 360 (as do most multiplatform games) yet this article claims that there are more active PS3 consoles. If that were true, the PS3's software sales would be even more terrible than we ever could have imagined.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

, http://www.mcvuk.com/news/3...

[k-dillinger]

i just heard ps3 has surpassed 360 officially worldwide somebody should post this on n4g this is hella good news.

http://www.conceivablytech....

[Crystallis]

LOL how did you find that article so fast?

[Kon]

aprils fools you tool.

[Raendom]

PS3 will fully outsell the 360 if it drops to $199, but the thing is it doesn't matter anymore, the war died when Microsoft said Nintendo Wii was it's rival. PC/PS3 is the battle now, and PC is losing.

[winflasher0]

"PC/PS3 is the battle now, and PC is losing."

I'm sorry but what???

[Counter Strike]

Not sure if Ps3 can sell more at 199 than 360 at 99...

[BlackTar187]

i don't know if the 360 is ready to be sold at $99.

Would be crazy though at that price i own 2 but id almost buy one at that price just cause.

[theonlylolking]

The 3ds only cost $100 to make so the xbox has to be around that price since it is older tech.

[silvacrest]

the thing is, the 360 is already dirt cheap here (UK)
there is a saturation point when it comes to price cuts too (in my opinion)

how much more cheaper can the 360 get before that no longer matters to your average consumer? i think the 360 has one more good price cut left, if that

you must also consider MS profits from selling such a cheap console which will likely get cheaper

[Clarence]

Considering that the PS3 is outselling the 360 at 299 and the cheapest 360 is 199, the PS3 will continue to dominate.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/0...
So many 360 fan didn't want this day to come but its has. Really nothing has change.
@candystop you have all those disagrees for telling the truth.

[ILikeTurtles]

Rofl xD
can someone tell youtube.com/generalmld this?
:D he blocked me 6 months ago rofl

[candystop]

I doubt SOny is lying about there numbers because it's against the law but I don't doubt it's fanboys are lying with crap like this. 360 is winning this gen because of software sold and install base even beating out the good old Wii.

[lee_ten]

you keep telling yourself that.

[Dannagar]

Are you a broken record? Do you just go from post to post, pasting the samething?

[DiRtY]

What kind of research is this? MS announced 50 million shipped end of 2010.

[SnakeMustDie]

It's active user base not shipped numbers. Anyway I question these data because they didn't provide any method to acquire them.

[ILikeTurtles]

Rofl "shipped" xD you owned yourself LMFAO

[frostypants]

1) It's "active consoles", not shipped.
2) How much of the 360's "shipped" number is due to RRoD replacements?

[Laika]

oh snap

[Prcko]

finaly,ps3 number 2!!!
Xbox belong like always on last place :)

[Phantasm]

LOL... We are all commenting on something we don't know anything about, or if it's even credible.

[BabyTownFrolics]

credible, people just come to N4G to reaffirm their own opinions and argue with those whose opinions differ from their own.

[krisq]

for Greenberg to spin this in MS's favor.

[Bell Boy]

Europe probably won't count as they are all socialists, ask any tea party member

[Bell Boy]

Nooooooooooooooooooo this cannot be

The Mart, Power of Green, Why dis all told me on this very site that the PS3 was an instant flop and Sony would pull the plug by 2008

Personally I don't give a rats a## all I know is that the PS3 as given me loads of great games since I got it in 2007 and I guess now a whole load of others are discovering this for themselves

[Rage_S90]

this comment wins an internet, it would win over 9000 internets but you left out bungie :/ he was the OG

[Bell Boy]

I am sorry your right about Bungie how could I miss one of the diehard fanboys on this site....were they not all the same person really anyway....lol

They say this site is overrun by PS3 fanboys but this group of jokers went balls out to try and wreck the reputation of the PS3 in the early days

[TheTwelve]

Good job, Sony. Now keep bringing the games.

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[supremacy]

I know its not about sales, its about the games but...than again isn't the ps3 well covered in this area as well?

2011 is no joke when it comes to ps3 exclusives, someone once told me that ps3 games dont sell and that Sony should stop making exclusives.

Well only 4 months in and GT5 is already over 6 million, so much for that rant.

I believe that final fantasy versus 13 will add to ps3's numbers and a price drop is inevitable.

Even if both consoles end up at 200 the ps3 seems poise to do better numbers, the 360 has had several price drops in japan and recently out in europe due to that limited seize/ban by LG.

And if this is how things are still, than one can only imagine.

But again they are both great platforms and both offer great entertainment experiences to the consumer.

I guess e3 will be the time to reveal some secrets to the public, so we will see.

[MrBeatdown]

Owned.

[Perkel]

Constant roll of exclusives ? check
Free online play ? Check
Price drop ? check

Those are factor of Sony win and consider this :

console was 1 and 1,5 year later on the market than 360
600$ price tag

From this point console can only be better and better.

Also i still can't believe people consider Wii as next gen...

It's PS2 competitor with a just little better graphic with diffrent controller and in the end it was just a few year streak with sales declining every year now.

3rd party piss at Wii because 90% of sold Wii aren't used now.

And if we consider that current gen is about still selling consoles. Still ps2 is unbeatable with 150 mln consoles sold and still selling. (DS is close)

[ColecoVision]

You do have to give it up to Sony for how many exclusives they have going. This being said... The multi plats are looking very strong this year:

Rage
Brink
Elder Scrolls: Skyrim
Fear 3
Battlefield 3
Deus Ex
Operation Flashpoint: Red River
Saints Row 3

Free? Free is always good.

Price drop? Sony has been happy to have dug themselves out of a financial hole the past few years. Making a profit is more important than being #1 right now. However, if they are in a position to do a price drop, you know damn well that Microsoft will do the same.

Sony does have an advantage worldwide over Microsoft. Europe is a battleground, but in Japan... The Japanese love to buy Japanese products... No Contest.

[memots]

i am not surprised. What i am surprise about is when you see NPD number only showing U.S number that the Xbox sold more.

On my personal experience is from all my friends that are active gamer only 2 owns a xbox360.
Everyone else (about 30 friends) all have a ps3, I am one of those rare one that have a 360 as well.

Yes i am in Canada but NPD number are supposed to reflect North-America and i don't see it.

[C0MPUT3R]

NPD doens't count WalMart or Amazon. NPD is just an over glorified educated guess. The only numbers that count are the Official quarterly numbers from the companies themselves.

[chidori666]

i remember fanboys saying PS3 is failed console in 2006.... rofl.

anyway,well deserved.

best console ever period.

nuff said.

[Rage_S90]

have you not seen the ngp article sony is dooooooooooooooooooooomed/s

-_____-

[winflasher0]

That made me laugh.

[Shok]

Best console? Nah, I'd say the PS2 was better.

[shuuwai]

best console
1. snes/genesis
2. psx
3. ps2

[Greentea]

Wow it happened sooner then I thought. 360 gave the Ps3 a hell of a race. I kinda always new that the Ps3 has more owners based on my personal expreince around the people I know. I just know more people who have a Ps3.

Also know it is vice versa too but I'm just talking about me and the people I know.

[memots]

Exactly what i said Greentea ( see comment #21 )

[Platinum_k]

***THE RETURN OF THE KING***

[DrFUD]

Well here's some news you won't ever see on IGN

[diehardgamer1000]

lol tru dat

[XabiTheHumble]

Another article claiming the same thing
http://www.vg247.com/2011/0...

[ILikeTurtles]

Active install base:

PS3>360

exclusvie games:

PS3>360

Multiplats are identical nowadys....

Online:

Features 360>ps3
Value PS3>360

BUT, steam is coming to ps3 and one more thing.... IT'S FREEE PS3>360

:)

[WitWolfy]

STEAM WORKS! not STEAM itself. Dumbass

[MeNoRasta]

"Multiplats are identical nowadys...."

Only if you are blind.

"Online:

Features 360>ps3
Value PS3>360"

Please no more jokes you are cracking me up.

[nightmarex121]

I think probably a big reasons why software sales dont match with 360 software sales is many bought the ps3 as a blu-ray player.

[Trroy]

Individual software product attach rates are actually higher on the PS3, for most titles. The only reason the 360 has a greater lifetime attach rate is that it's been out a year longer.

[Trroy]

PS3 "wins" 2nd place. Now the fanboy wars can end, right?

Okay.. yeah... we all know they won't.

[Loner]

Not really.We count the total sales from the companys figures they release every quarter not some random analysts figures.
The last quarter results 360 was in second place.These Numbers are directly from Sony and Microsoft so put down the party hats PS3 fanboys

1. Wii – 84.64 million
2. Xbox 360 – 50.8 million
3. PlayStation 3 – 47.9 million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://www.xboxer360.com/ne...

[Trroy]

Sales is really unimportant, compared to active units -- except in Nintendo's case, because they have always manufactured hardware for a serious profit.

To this day, the PS2 has nearly 150M sales. The question is, how many people are actively using their PS2s, and buying software for them? How many have been sent off for electronics recycling (I wish they didn't end up in a dumpster, but you know some people are too ignorant to recycle computers, and all the poisonous materials they're made of)? etc.

On top of that, considering that its only recently that MS and Sony have manufactured consoles for profit (although the Arcade 360 may still be sold at a small loss), selling 3 million more consoles to get 0.5 million less active consoles is actually a really bad thing.

[MrBeatdown]

Microsoft is winning thanks to a pile of broken Xboxes.

They should be proud. Well done, MS.

[insomnium2]

I know several real life people who bought a second x360 just incase they get a RROD. Why did you think the arcade model sold so well hmmm?

I'm so glad that soon we don't have to listen to this bs that loner here spouts. We all know how things will end up. We've known all along but still some people resist on believing it.

It would be best if we could get all the kids out of here. 25yo would be a perfect limit here. No more bs, no more fanboy wars to this extreme extent. Just discussion and changing opinions like grownups do in a civil manner.

[MeNoRasta]

I'm really getting tired of ps3 fanboys posting news about their console is ahead of other consoles who cares?
And normally what happens is a xbox fanboy will counter this and say that xbox is beating ps3 in america.

When i joined N4G i thought i was getting news about games not news about plastic.
I also heard the mods of this site are ps3 fanboys to lol.

[Ch1d0r1]

True. lol. And the sad things is that a few idiots disagreed with you. I onwed a 360. Currently just ball it up on the PS3, and the Wii get a few plays once in a while.

LOL and then the PS3 article has a crown on the PS3? Shouldnt it be on the Wii?

[TVippy]

Right on, brother. True words.

[Drekken]

Calling now!

[C0MPUT3R]

Q4 & Fiscal Year Reports are right around the corner for SONY.

[MARKUS_MAX1MUS]

Do REAL gamers actually even care about crap like this? I couldnt give a damn if one corpration that I owe nothing to is slowly catching up on another corpration I also couldnt give a damn about.

[palaeomerus]

Nope. But N4G is not for real gamers. It's more like a punch and judy show.

[Rageaholic]

The Giant is slowly waking up

you remember the arguments
1)ps3 is too hard to program (nowadays you see multiplatform games just a tad worse on the ps3 or equivalent
2)ps3 has no games (much more exclusives than the xbox now)
3)blu-ray is not needed (ms is now trying to squeeze more data from the current dvd)
4)installs are not needed (yet im sure nowadays ppl install their xbox games on their HD just to reduce the noise)
5) MS cares with their extended 3 year warranty (no comment)
6)xbox live is much better (times have change psn is catching up)
7) the controller is much better on the xbox (totally subjective)
8) game "a" has more sales on xbox vs game "b" (just look at most recent events xbox crowd flocked over homefront reason less games in the console library to choose from hence skewing the stats )
9) ps3 games are always delayed (not really anymore)
10) most ps3 exclusives are flops (at least there are muh more exclusives offered ti increase the frequesncy for the amount of medocre games but also in turn increases the frequency of top tiered exclusive games).

[Ahasverus]

Congratulations Sony! Keep up with your work :D

[maxmill]

But we haz haloz

:D

[diehardgamer1000]

lmfaooooooooooooo!!!!

[artsaber]

Bungie, The Green Ring of Life and others are currently shaking their old dead 360s in their closets and plugging them into an outlet in vain. Just hoping they'd power on one last time after they've applied the old towel trick.

They so desperately want to up that Active Live count for the 360. It burns them to their very souls, as if they were KKK members tied up and gagged, while watching their wives dance with well endowed minority athletes.

Get used to it, Sony has hit a stride, and even if this data isn't 100% accurate today, as more and more 360s die due to a piss poor hardware design, more and more will drop offline faster than they can be replaced or re-bought.

Good job Sony. The PS3 is one of the best consoles of all time.

I remember all this for old times sake, the PS3 was supposed to be doomed because:

HDMI not needed
Wifi not needed
Bluray not needed
1080p not needed
too expensive will never sell
no games
Microsoft's year head start
PS3 too hard to program for
360 easy to program for like a computer
360 is more powerful (outright lie)

My, my, how times have changed.

[palaeomerus]

Do you remember PS3 not not needing rumble?
Remember $599?
Remember real time ray-tracing?
Remember six-axis? LOL.
Remember finding out that your HDD formats in another machine?
Remember no USB save support?
Remember using PSP as a mirror in racing games? LOL!
Remember poor ports? (Still happening!)
Do you remember PS3 having linux install capability?
Do you remember full backward compatibility?
Do you remember required installs?
Do you remember YLOD?
Remember Killzone 2 footage is real time?
Remember Killzone 2 Halo killer?
Remember "Uncharted 2 has ended the console war"? LOL!
DO you remember the Slim update and price drop?
Do you remember the initial poor selection of games?
Do you remember very few "Real HD"1080P native games on either system? (and those are graphically very primitive like Wipeout?)
Remember 120Hz games? LOL! 4D!
Do you remember Move will trash Kinect?
Remember PS3 will catch up in 2008, 2009, 2010, etc?

Yeah, times have changed. LOL!

They changed so much that you are clinging to silly desperate analysis of global activity! LOL!

[Adva]

Aww need a tissue? Got no games to play hmm?

[unicron7]

I guess when you're lacking in exclusive games you have time to type out opinionated lists that have no factual weight to them.

*goes back to playing Socom 4 beta* Yeah, another PS3 exclusive out of a gazillion being released this year. :-D

Don't worry, you'll get Gears 3 and plenty of Kinect games this year. :-D :-D :-D Maybe a Kinectimals 2!! Hooray!

[zero_cool]

Do you remember every time you have trolled on this site in posts?

[XabiDaChosenOne]

LOL!! You are so mad XD I can tell you are heart broken by the news, aww poor baby :'-(

[GodofSackboy]

The console war ended with MGS4, but Uncharted 2 also helped, so yeah

[dkgshiz]

huh, people sure care about silly things.

[Rageaholic]

@palaeomerus
1) believe it or not I prefer using the lighter six axis controller for playing long gaming sessions
2) the price tag back then was still a bargain great blu-ray player even to date
3) beta feature that was not shown in final product this happens alot with electronics they remove features last minute
4) six axis controller was just and added feature they did not emphasize it... but the xbox fans made a big deal aboutit for some reason
5) at least every system includes a hard drive and you can upgrade at much cheaper price than the xbox drive
6) plenty of space to save games on your included hard drive
7) another beta feature that was never included
8) bad ports... not really anymore
9) blame it on the hackers
10) backwards compatiblity is NOT needed hell you cna stil buy a ps2 if you REALLY wanted to play old crappy games
11) what is wrong with installs??? i installs were so bad why did xbox include that in a feature on one of their updates
12) ylod elctronics eventually break still below industry standards
13) what was wrong with the slim update? quieter machine thinner and still does not have an external block like the wii or xbox
14) umm all consoles have poor selction of games on launch ;)
15) both consoles emhasized that and failed to deliver
16) another beta feature that was never included in final product
1&) kinect /move are both trash..... at least sony is trying to cater to traditional gamers rather than MS shifting their money into casual market.

[strifeblade]

all my friends that got ps3 at launch had to exchange them since they broke down after a few years including myself...
looks like xbox is not the only hardware with problems judging from personal experience

[lodossrage]

every piece of hardware can break down no matter how sturdy.

And if it's not properly taken care of that escalates.

However, the ps3 failure rate was never beyond industry standards. Unlike the 360 which was over 50% of their consoles breaking down at one point.

And for the record bro, when people say things like "all my friends did this, that, and the third" or "I went to such and such a store and they only had x amount in stock", then we kinda know not to take you too seriously

[strifeblade]

umm its the truth. Its rare you find a working launch ps3 with backwards compatibility.

if you dont wanna believe don't, i took care of my ps3, like my baby, then i had to buy a new one for over 300$.

atleast with msoft, i went through 5 360s, but it never cost a dime.

dont take it seriously if you dont wanna but at the end of the day its still reality.

so much for the machine that is supposed to last 10 years could not even last 3. The failure rate of launch ps3 is 100%, every year more and more launch ps3 die out. They are defected and were not built to last

don't be such a fanboy, i pointed out something ppl may not have known since most ppl with ps3 do not have the launch ones so you are not fooling anyone but yourself.

[lodossrage]

nobody's being "a fanboy"

It's just nobody gives a damn about taking your word as gospel. And why don't you show some proof of this "failure rate of launch ps3 being 100%"

If anything, YOU are the one taking it seriously considering you're still here trying to preach

[NotSoSilentBob]

The Difference is that the 360 had atleast a 1/3 failure rating when it launched, and that was with in the first month. The PS3 STILL has the industrial standard of under 15% failure rate.

[strifeblade]

The ps3 failure rate for the launch rose significantly after a few years on the market with launch ps3.

Those systems wear out easily and with extensive use could not last more than years after its release.

At the end of the day, the 360 fail was high at launch but msoft replace with no cost.

Failure rate for 600$ launch ps3 were evident after a few years but sony said **** you to its customers when saying they would refurbish with the slim design for 200$ cost.

So much for sony taking care of the consumer base that launched the ps3, atleast msoft made up for its mistake with free replacements.

[NotSoSilentBob]

Yes Ps3 failed but not even 1/16th the amount of the 360 so that point right there. Hell most people I know are on their 6-7th box because MS doesn't keep that 3 yr warranty after your replacement. It is a 90day warranty. After that they say F*&^ you, just like Sony.

[zero_cool]

Boy! alot of people on here act as if Europe,japan & us makes up the entire global economy lmfao!

[Tigan]

FINALLY!!!! It only tooke them 4 F*cking years to barely do it. What a disgrace the ps3 has been this gen compared to the ps2 of last gen.

[WitWolfy]

You guys make me ashamed to be a gamer. God who cares who first,second or third. Its not like were gonna see something awesome happen when your fav console is the best selling one of them all. God look at the PS3, the only reason its probably selling better now is because people can hack it for piracy.

[macky301]

Why,..? but I agree somewhat,..

And no PS3 is selling better since it launched,.. BECAUSE OF FUCKING GAMES,.. (We have (actually,.. to many),.. 360 doesn't)) and it is a better system anyway you put it,.. and I am still predominantly a PC gamer (that is a lie,..I play on my PS3 like 20times more),..

[Abu]

PS3 clutching at straws again. They had a generation head start, and all they can manage is 3rd place.

Well done Sony!

[macky301]

Yes we PS3 gamers are truly fucked,.. kekekekekekekekehahahahah aaaaahargahahahahah.

your system is a piece of shit ,... (They are not even hiding it anymore)

[PSWe60]

hurray

[hot111]

That is just some analyst dribble

Same analysts predicted this in 2007

Cumulative Sales 2005-2012 – Millions Units
Sony PS3 121.8
Microsoft Xbox 360 59.7
Nintendo Revolution 23.3

lolz

[TVippy]

Relax, guys, just an April's Fools joke. Xbox is always the first.

[corroios]

always the first? lol, Nintendo says HI. If you «play» with sales, then Nintendo is number one. In sales, and more important in profit, because since the lunch they were making profit with each console sold. The same doesnt happend with the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Nintendo won the sales department and that is the most important thing for fanboys.

[_LarZen_]

I love both the PS3 and X360, but that the PS3 has regained its possition keeping in mind the X360 came first is kinda impressive.

[RyuCloudStrife]

whats up now Xbox 360 fanboys?

[SpinalRemains138]

wow. Why are all the 360 ppl sucking sour grapes? They're taking it personally. Look at the childish attacks. Jeez, it's just a gaming machine and the 360 did very well this generation.

Personally, I think had Microsoft not abandoned the regular gaming market in favor of Kinect for kids, that they'd still not be in last place. Alas...........they are. (Take that, all you 2006-2009 SONY is doomed ppl).

PS3 is the best console this generation. Not even a discussion. That's really what counts anyway.

[frostypants]

Well, it's official: given the discrepancy between active base and sales, the 360's remaining sales lead is pretty clearly due to replacement sales for failed hardware.

[kung-fu-grip]

Happy April Fools day.

[Thoreau]

the ps3 is better than the xbox360, on quality alone,
upgradeable 3d blu-ray
free online game play
reliability
varied exclusive game titles.

i was an xbox faithful back in the days of ps2 domination. to me(only my own opinion) the 360 is weak. pay for online, (when was the last awesome game on the 360?) multiplatform games. kinect? thankfully gears is on the way but even in that case,

gears, crytek exclusive - last guardian, resistance3, Uncharted3?????

i wish the American gamer would open their eyes.

[Nizzy79]

this means nothing to me. active how? connected to the internet or paying to play? i'm sure a lot of xbox users refuse to pay to play so this stat(or at least phrase) is not accurate.

[btk]

So only the lifetime sales left to pass....

[Master of Unlocking]

LOL the xbugs are freaking out about this judging by the number of damage control comments... "Bu-bu-buTT mY xBoXtHrEeSiXtEeZ iZ No 1 aNd dE PiEceOfSheEt3 iZ LAzt pLaZe!!!" :D
We told you guys a long time ago. If only you didn't blindly buy in M$'s lies. Love it or loathe it, the PS3 has taken over. Soon it will be back where it belongs: No1 spot, just like during the PS1 and PS2 eras!

[kduplessis07]

does nobody realize its april fools day lol

[K1LLSburyPWNboy]

not a big deal if people aren't buying games for it. thats where the money is made. the 360 is pirated more too. i think theres one or two cases where the ps3 multiplatform outsells the 360. Show me the $

[wray77]

Is this officially ridiculous now? Congratulations on the active devices lead...you beat a machine, based on popular opinion here, that has no games, is under powered, that forces you off the couch to switch discs, that charges you to play on line, that is notoriously failure prone, that has expensive add-ons like larger hard drives and wifi, doesn't play blu-ray, and it only took five years to do it. Can we start the next generation now that the console war is over and the ps3 has more "active" devices?

[Gamerfans]

way to go sony!