Is the PS3 really a failure?

When it comes down to it, the main point is that the PS3 should not be underestimated. With the eminent price drop and an impressive collection of games due out in the next 6 months, it would be ignorant to say the PS3 is dead. At this point, it's definitely too early to begin proclaiming winners. More within...

[the worst]

ps3 is sweet

[Violater]

I am in need of some actual gaming news for me to get my fix.

[cuco33]

but to be on topic PS3 isn't a failure. It just hasn't done what Sony wanted it to do yet and is why many look at it as a failure.

Sony relied on the Playstation brand to carry CELL and BD and although we can argue that this round of CELL is like last round of the emotion chip, the BD side of things has NOT worked out good for them. The BDA solely rode on the PS3's success to deliver a quick blow to it's main competitor HD DVD and thusfar has proven to be more of a nuisance than anything (i.e. 1.5:1 lead but with almost 10times the players, compatibility issues, manufacturing issues, and cost cost cost to both consumer, studio and manufacturer). I think the PS3 will do just fine but it'll stay in 3rd. The big titles like MGS4 and GT5 will be system sellers but not enough to surpass 360 sales (I don't include Wii because we all can agree the Wii is in it's own league). We have yet to see how we need BD's disk space advantage (only a handful of games that haven't even been released show why but that's all speculation as no one's played those titles yet.)

Sony's new strategy of the 40gb PS3 being not 100%BC is a killer for me. At lease the other versions are still available. But BD's lack of a quick death blow in HDM can be considered the only failure right now.

Still too early to deem anything a failure.

As for what's been said many times, higher price point is to reduce Sony's losses per console sold (although right now we don't know how much they lose). The smaller library isn't selling to recoup the losses for system sales as well as most multiplatform titles look better on the 360 as well as are massively delayed for the PS3. The advertising IS there, aside from HALO3 I saw way more PS3 ads since launch over the 360 ads and Sony's marketing is ridiculous. They constantly spew misinformed 'facts' and even add lies to their campaign. I for one am NOT a fan of how they market their system. This all boils down to the negative media attention since the system sales aren't doing like everyone predicted as well as journalists retaliating on Sony's bold false claims. Competition from the Wii I would say isn't there, both 360 and PS3 owners are more than willing to pick up a Wii but competition from the 360 is there. If MS didn't have the reliability problems, PS3 would be in more serious trouble than it is now.

[SonySoldiers]

YEP! thanks for defending SONY!...

For Sony a failure is not an option, it's just cowboys thought who want japanese products to fail.

[Shadow Flare]

PS3 already has half the 360 userbase. 360 (apparently) sold 10 million in it's first year up to January 1st 2007. Since then the 360 has sold 1.6 million units. In like 9 months. What's the reason for that?....

...well at least sony never had to resort to this:

http://www.informationarbit...

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

[tmax]

Thanx for the links, they were a great read.

[secret]

The dividing line has been drawn. Everything to the left of that line is the xbox360 and xbox360 multiports. Everything to the right of that line is the PS3 and the loyal PS3 developers like Insomniac games.

The following link is a Grand Turismo5 versus Real-life comparison quiz. Let's see how you do. Take the quiz and see the power of the PS3 rather than the smoke & mirrors of the xbox360. PS3 fans, you might want to try for yourself...enjoy the true next gen experience on the utlimate home theater console -- the PS3.

Power of Green, you can take the quiz if you want, but you might get hurt when you see how good the PS3 really is from this quiz. I suggest you don't take it. I don't know how old you are, but I feel concern for you for some reason. In your other posts, you seem hurt.

Unless you got all 14 answers on this quiz correct on the first try with 100% certainty, with absolutely no doubt at all while you were taking the exam, I don't think you should click disagree. Clicking disagree without passing this test in flying colors shows (to yourself) that you're untrustworthy, pigheaded, and easily amazed by microsoft's smoke and mirrors. You know who you are.(If Microsoft really loves you, then why does it continue to sell you a product that it KNOWS is still defective rather than HALTING production until the flaws are worked out?).

Thank you. Now take the quiz.

http://generationdreamteam....

PLAYB3YOND

[TheSMART]

charts speak for themselves! But i would like to add that the PS3 has accomplished all of this while having:

A much higher price point
Smaller software library
No Good adverstising and marketing
No system selling franchises released (MGS4, FFXII, Gran Turismo, etc.)
Negative media attention.
And competition from Wii and 360.

[ATLRoAcH]

I agree with ya man the PS3 has had like no advertisement.Compared to the 360 which has 200 commercials a day showing(including that annoying Mountain Dew/Halo 3 gamer fuel commercial) its doing pretty good.And just for the record I would pay a high price for the PS3 for the name Playstation as a matter of a fact I already did knowing it would be a while before all the good games come out.Had the money,seized the moment.

[Dr Pepper]

@ ATLRoAcH

I actually think Wii has the most commercials out of the three consoles. Those are on constantly. But I agree, there are a lot of those Halo 3 Mountain Dew commercials (and they get annoying after a while).

[FirstknighT]

"charts speak for themselves! But i would like to add that the PS3 has accomplished all of this while having:

A much higher price point
Smaller software library
No Good advertising and marketing
No system selling franchises released (MGS4, FFXII, Gran Turismo, etc.)
Negative media attention.
And competition from Wii and 360."

Just more proof that the fanboys are the only ones buying the ps3. I said this a million times, Sony has a rabid fanbase and would purchase a toilet if it had the words "sony" and "exclusive" on it. More proof is that Sony's big games like Heavenly Sword are selling like crap. It's pretty clear that gamers are buying the 360 and not just fanboys. The sales charts prove this.

[Quickstrike]

I'm betting that M$ is paying the media to report about bad things about the superior PS3.

Starting bid: $100

[athlon770]

even if you were to classify everyone as a "sony fanboy" then lets think about that statement and what you are up against.

There are over 100million PS1 & PS2 systems in homes, not shipped like MS likes to count, but actualy in someones home, so being sony, there are 100million houses that are potential buyers to upgrade from a PS1 or PS2 to a PS3. It is no wonder why so many of you 360 owners are grabbing at straws!

Relax, you do not have to dog every article that comes out talking about the PS3, the 360 is still a very good system and MS will not go bankrupt because the PS3 is starting to gain momentum!

[Play B3yond]

I would laugh sooooo hard if Sony pulls a sega on the 360.

[Play B3yond]

I would laugh sooooo hard if Sony pulls a sega on the 360.

[drtysouf21]

after the $399 40GB PS3 has been out for awhile!

[Gondee]

I think sony was going after the casual market when they made the 400 doller version, although. They also killed it by not allowing it to be back compatable with PS2. Once they get that all worked out. then they could have a chance of catching up

[SofaKingReetodded]

if you get a PS3 for $400 and still want back compat they figure you can go buy a PS2 for about a $100.It would be different if the PS2 were discontinued. It is still alive and well and Sony is just making smart decisions.

[felman87]

If you need BC, buy one of the few remaining 60 gb for an extra $100

[power of Green]

You would be just as ignorant to assume the PS3 can make some glorious come back due to games some of which will be releasing on the 360. Its like the PS3 gamers do not buy games and only talk of 3 or 4 games they wan't- as if they purchased the PS3 to see what the next all time favorite will look like on new hardware. lol

Price, popular opinion & dev profits(Attach rates will win the war). Wii is in its own world/market.

Its ignorant to think this console can magiclly not be in third place when PS3's competition can kill PS3. I never seen a generation wher there was more than two dominating forces.

I'll tell you the truth:
Sony fans should hope and pray the 40 giger does not force MSFT to sell the Arcade bundle cheaper than the Wii.

[RonDeMuerte]

This article basically acknowledges that the PS3 is far from being a failure, and that you and most of your X-bot brethren are IGNORANT...

[funkysolo]

The 360 had a year headstart and it has only manage to sell 11 million consoles and that's with your so call Halo3 and Gears of war...PS3 has manage to sell well even after the High price...360 has nothing left, what proven franchise are left for the 360..NONE. PS3 is still rolling and has the most anticipated titles in history coming with in months. Halo3 release and only manage to ship an extra 100,000 consoles more this month. How sad is that Halo3 sold 4 million copies but 360 only got a 100,000 increase in sale for the month...look what a system seller really does PSP sold almost 1 million PSP in september because of FF and new design, 1 million consoles. What do you think it's going to happen when SOCOM, MGS4, GT5 and FF13 come out? You xbots seem to forget that the PS3 has only been out 10 months and the 360 suck balls last year. 360 is dead and Halo3 sucked and won't be remember in a month and PS3 dominates the rest of the way...

[gerrard]

So why is the core pack not selling well? and what makes you think arcade pack will do any better since its just a core with a memory card? They could even give them away and everyone will smell ring of death.

[Zhuk]

The PS3 is a failure all you have to do is compare it to Gamecube sales even the Gamecube could sell better than the PS3

[deadpreacher]

I agree with must of it. Only thing i can say is i wont call the PS3 a complete failure yet, but i sure can say it aint doing nothing for me right now! If next year is the same as this one and i still feel the same way than yes i will say its a failure even if it does start to outsell everything. Right now there aint one game im looking forward to yet. Still kind of hopen on afew hiden gems that sparks my needs. MGS4 aint it im more a Splinter Cell Fan besides i never could see anything good in the old ones. Gran turismo 5 aint it. Final fantasy will i just dont care for RPG's. Only thing thats a old IP that would strike me is a new Twist metal! Also to be 100% honest im more of a 3rd party type of guy UBI Soft mostly. Both camps only have one or two games i have to have. MS Forza & Mechassult, Sony Twisted metal. Rest are 3rd party and we all know who does them better right now including the ONLINE! I'm still willing to hold off for at least a year before i call the PS3 a failure and than must likely won't ever buy at least new. It has to offer something better or at least on par with and what i have now! If 3rd party games get better and the Online gets better than we might be talking. So far MS just has all that i want and need and they are leaps and bonds over it, for at least now it's keeping me from buying a PS3. MY BF owns one and i will watch it grow over the next year and than i will tag the PS3 as a failure or not!

[andy001]

Many people I know only have a couple of games for their consoles. In the UK soccer is virtually a religion and some of my friends have a 360 with a games collection consisting of Fifa 07 and thats it.

The mass market are really only casual gamers with only a couple fo games. The 360 software attach rate being so high is really because they haven't tapped into that market at all, and the reason why the Wii software sales are pretty low is simply because many casual gamers will buy the console with Wii Sports and never buy anything else, only pulling it out at parties.

I think anyone calling the PS3 a failure after such a short time and when the PS2 is still selling very well, is being very shortsighted. Sometimes I think that Sony releasing this new cheaper version is more to do with the FUD from the Microsoft-bought media than it is to do with the Sony strategy.

[Kaze88]

Look the sales of ps3 and x0 first years sales, theyr identical. ups x0 sold less than gc on its first year and it had no next-gen competition.
Ps3 had wii and x0 against it and it has double price, but still its selling as good as x0 on its first year.
Just think about that!

[Xemnas]

Nah

[heavymetal3k]

Yep lets call it quits after 10 months. [/sarcasm]

[VendettaWFT]

Look me up in winter of 2009, I'll tell you then if it failed or not...and it will be around by then

[prunchess]

How anyone could consider the PS3 dead so early into a systems life cycle just beggars belief! I've used both systems extensively and the PS3 is better by far.

[AngryHippo]

.....what makes the PS3 better then? the games? because by your comment you are saying here and now the ps3 is better.....is it the fantastic online aspect that makes it better? or the incredible game selection? or the fact that you can watch blu ray movies?

[AngelOFDeath]

how can any single electronic even be marked as failure when it hasnt even made a year on the entire market worldwide, unless no one is buying it, or its a waste of space in the consumers eyes, why consider that it might be a failure

[Rybnik]

Dear God, please turn off the Caps button!!!

[spike]

Blackjack is right. The PS3 sucks.

[Rybnik]

Guess what Spike, my 360 RROD'd on me last night...Thank GOD I have a PS3 too!!

[sleepyk]

blackjack and spike are wrong. the ps3 rules

[DarkArcani]

You are so insightful.

[Jandre02]

The XBOX 360 is by no means a dominating force. If someone has evidence to prove this then present it.

You can go along as say the xbox 360 is a more enjoyable gaming console. Sure thats opinion. You can say there are more games and they are better.
Thats fair as well actually. Thats once again opinion.

But Sony will still end with more consoles sold than the XBOX. IT may not be profitable, it may not have the attach rate, but it will finish infront of it because of things MSFT cant control.

120 million people will not buy an Xbox that costs over $200

Shooter fans might, hardcore gamers might. They dont appeal to enough of the market. Sony does, and they will continue to. They also have blu-ray which, whether you like it or not, will appeal to alot of people when the price is right. Shooters may even continue to sell more copies on the Xbox for the rest of this generation, but by the end Sony will have sold more than 2x the xbox.
It may not become a better console until the end, even though i think it will very shortly.

If sony fails, then gaming will stall. This generation will end up significantly smaller than last gen.

There is NO WAY the xbox will sell more than 25 million. People will choose not to adopt, or just stick with the Wii, before they go to the Xbox, regardless of price.

Also, the statement "next gen begins when we say so" is actually true when you think about it. DO you really think SOny will stop making PS2 games before they are confident the PS3 can be the more attractive option? Once the PS3 is in a good spot, and making games for the PS3 becomes alot easier, the PS2 will lose alomst all new software. Then people will jump right back to Sony.

[Rybnik]

You know what, I agree (mostly) not sure about your 25 million cap, but I would wager it will stop about there...IF the damn 360 were reliable, things would be MUCH different right now. As it is, MS is going to be fighting VERY hard to maintain its lead next year. My own launch 360 RROD'd last night, so there is yet another 360 that will (most likely) be replaced when MS sends it back to me.

If reports are true and Falcon has not fixed the retarded problems with the 360 console, MS is in for a super rough 2008.

[frank jaeger]

u know? that artical must have alot of sense in it... but sadly i got bored at the words"i hate" and im too lazy to read the rest so plz forgive me . also it b great if u fanbois would rite small short comments rather than huge peices of crap...

nuff said

[Play B3yond]

...Jandre never said "i hate" in his post

[ParaDise_LosT]

Dreamcast Failed badly but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy every socond I had it
Skies of Arcadia,shenmue,Panzer Dragoon...those games are some of the best games I've EVER played....

[WonderboyIII]

The Dreamcast failed because of two things:

* Marketing
* The fact that it takes alot more work to fix a mistake than to make it. People did not forgive Sega and lost Trust with the sequence of multiple failures that came before the great Dreamcast. when people lost interest in Sega; and Nintendo was too safe, taking the buisness advantage of this situation ,Sony got developers wanting to develop for it when the Saturn died; and that is what buit the great PS Brand. That pushed the PS2 to where it is as although the Dreamcast was also superior in 2d, powerver 2nd generation was a great texture monster, Dreamcast being very japanese,ccheap and piracy was a piece of cake. That forced Sega to leave the hardware market as there was no way they can go for another console. Nintedo came with the gamecube. Slow seller also because of the too safe - locked down policy. Nintedo gets its money from handhelds, they were not in trouble. Sega's game gear and Nomads were a joke. Sega going software and multi was the only way to go.
Nintendo's handheld dominace will go on forever. Sony's PSP reminds me a bit of Sega trying to catch up with Nintendo (Nomad playing Genesis, PSP playing PS2-like games). Sony focus on power and technology, Nintendo focuses on innovation. Both Brands are huge, and both brands will not eliminate each other, the market needs both and not just one. It is similar to Wii complementing the (PS3/Xbox 360) Market. That is how Nintendo has always survived with the home consoles since the N64; SNES was a whole different console.

The 360 and the PS3 will both survive, PS3 for its brand and its fortunate brand history, and the 360 will survive with Microsoft's Money and its maturing in the VG arena (They learned so much from the Xbox1). This is not a Sega versus Sony fight where Sega is all beaten down and is trying to get up after multiple losses. And none of the two consoles are a unique complentary system as they have allot of games in common; so competition is good as it pushes companies to perform and produce more quality games and very good exclusives. If you can afford it, buy both consoles and enjoy all the exclusives of the gaming world. If you can not afford both, choose the one that has more of your favourite exclusives; and for the Wii, it is a must own for all gamers as it makes the the gaminbg scene more complete.

[bluhefner]

Failure I mean its selling at the same pace as the 360 last year at a higher price and no games(as so they say). It has sold a horrendous 5.5 mil in 10 months at a similar pace as the two other failures PS1 and PS2. And crappy games like Uncharted MGS4 KZ2 UT3 FFXIII look like garbage. And knowledgeable gaming experts such as The Mart,Bloodmask etc claim its the next 3D0 so it must be true. And with this article PS3 is lookin to be a failure.

:/End sarcasm

[jcgamer]

bubbles for you...this article was a very interesting read...VERY interesting...

"And knowledgable gaming experts like The Mart, Bloodmask, etc..."
-bluhefner
oh man, too funny...

[iceice123]

Has yet to brake 5 million, nice try.

[power of Green]

PS3 didn't have supply problems 5 months after it launched. PS3 was not a newb in the industry with a trusted comany that had been a leader for many years telling consumers not to buy the PS3 becuse they were going to release a super duper 5X more powerful console causing million to wait instead of buying a PS3.

Those games seem to be the only game PS3 fans will buy which thers no hope for PS3 leaving the third spot when you guys do not buy any other games.

I don't think thats funny at all.

[jcgamer]

where's your sense of humor bro? We know that there's conditions for everything...not all factors are perfect...you don't think the "knowledgable experts" part is funny? wow...why can't we have fun some time...relax...I feel like you're talking directly to me bro...so just send me a PM...it's not that serious...it's called SARCASM...I apologize bluhefner...some people are just too uptight...and it was funny POG, I don't care what you say...lol

[bluhefner]

POG is just pissed b/c i exposed most of the untrue negative stereotypes about the PS3. I just dont understand them, its like they have this outlook that MS can do no wrong and Sony is evil and and must die, its quite comical and im just toying with their emotions.

[gerrard]

ignore power of green he's just a child throwing his rattle out of the pram because he knows his precious x360 is about to be creamed by the PS3. So he's in no mood for jokes

[DrPirate]

You win

[I_killed_TheMart]

COME ON GUYSS, are u that blind ....the point of the fact is that the ps3 still has no AAA, and almost everyone at the moment has no intrest in blu ray, this 2007 holiday season is gonna be another year for sony...08 will when games start to make the system shine, untill then...all of us who purchased a ps3 including myself, Got used.. dont tell me that motorstorm or heavenly sword is the killer app, when fukin halo 3 jus raped ps3 in terms of review scores, we ps3 owners got mangled by the 360 this year and will continue untill mid 08. Don't hate, i'm not a hater im jus thinkin realistic...o well, ima wait for 08 to clap back at 360 owners, untill then this is not where we can win this battle, so good job xbox 360 and ms, because u guys are gunna raped in the A*s next year...pray for halo 4, ull need it...

[power of Green]

$500 PS3 after being dropped made little diference this new priced PS3 could see a bigger or a longer lasting spike although its closer to the mass market range the other consoles are just about already there($200 casual mass consumer range).

Games and price are not the only factors. The PS2 was a multi cultural phenomena and favored by mainstream opinion Sony has much work to do to get the average person to say *I'm going with PS3 fuc the others* like in the past. Its the other way around right now due to Sony's earily marketing and the media punishing Sony when proven wrong with their PR stunts before PS3 released.

[level 360]

No it's not a failure, just a bit slow on picking-up the pace with the others...
Next year we might see a different story.
Possible release of those "new" games, return of "rumble" on the sixaxis pad, soon to be released newly developed "force feedback" steering wheel, probable price-cuts/better ( bundle )/deals etc...

[Covenant]

Come on.

It's less than a year old. While it hasn't exactly lived up to everyone's expectations, it's too early for anyone to call it a "failure."

It's also far too early to call the Wii or 360 winners or losers.

This from someone who has no intention of buying a PS3, but appreciates it after spending some time playing Warhawk and Lair--and REALLY looking forward to Ratchet and Clank--on a friend's system.

Play the games of your choice on the system of your choice.

[chasegamez]

i got 15 friends 2 buy a ps3 just because of warhawk.
warhawk is a AAA game.
just cause it didnt sell a million copy yet
its one of the best games out on any console.
in a long time.
DAMM it has not been a year

[halo3betasnatch out]

i own a 360 but i think this is pretty interesting, i think people just don't realize what a short amount of time the PS3 has been out for since the other consoles are out and running while the PS3 is just starting to get warmed up.

[Z501]

Yep, i know it's hard to believe that PS3 owners ONLY want a few games.I believe the days of having stacks upon stacks of mediocre games are over.As long as their is diversty,like PS1/PS2 that's enough.
Shooter after shooter just won't do it.
"But the 360 only has 20% shooters"
But all the 360's "AAA" games are shooters cept for Elder Scrolls and that's multi.
PS3 has/will have more variety.
Ask yourselves this question.Which console will cover the broader spectrum from the ESRB? (Tweens to hardcore adults)
Sony,like they've always done.

LBP
Eye of Judgement
Singstar
Ratchet & Clank
GT HD
FFXIII
MGS4
Haze
*Blu-ray

That's called V.A.R.I.E.T.Y
say it with me ....
Last verse same as the first

[Z501]

Is the iPhone a failure?
And i know it's just an OS,but is Vista a failure?

People are'nt really buying PS3's specifically for games (only as of late the really really good games starting coming),Their buying them for specific purposes'
Games and or Blu-ray is just a perk depending on what you want at the time.
You don't have this type of choice with the 360(it's stricly games)
You get what you pay for,and the PS3 is worth alot more than what you're paying for.
But that's the problem for Sony.To get the average consumer to recongnize this.
Price cut does'nt hurt either.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Well technically the 360 elite was for movies and games, but other than that yeah, the ps3 is suppose to be more of an entertainment hub.Agreed.

[wageslave]

Xbox 360 has tonnes of HD (and non HD) Movies and TV for download. Internet TV rocks and is free (it is currently beta, and it has the first 3 seasons of Arrested Development for free to watch).

MS has a Xbox LIVE only TV Series contest in production. You can play your own music in *every* game via the Guide from any device (ipods, zunes, network shares, the Xbox 360's HD). I expect that MS will unveil music purchases via Xbox 360 and music subscriptions on Xbox 360 with this Fall's Zune 2.0 push.

CableCARD, TV Tuners and Radio Tuners give you PVR functionality with Windows Media Center.

Lookup Microsoft MediaRoom when you get a chance.

The Xbox 360 is a superior Entertainment Center Hub.

[user9691653]

when it works

[SF49er408]

Ill be buying one when its 299 prob next christmas. It will have alot of great games and the psn network will be up n running. the ps3 graphics will be sweet in 2008-9ish when 1st party titles are all out and polished. just right now my 360 knows where to touch me.

[EZCheez]

PSN is already up and running. When you can play 32 player matches of Warhawk online without ANY lag you know the network is running. And I am not exaggerating.

[Play B3yond]

where does it touch you?

[Fade_Walker]

i dont think the PS3 is a failure, but it just doesnt have enough AAA titles yet, the PS3 sales will pick up next sure, when Grand Theft Auto IV, Final Fantasy XII and Home come out next year.

plus there are things that the PS3 has that the 360 doesnt, like Blu-Ray, Home, Eye of Judgment...you know new things

[jaja1434]

Really FF12 next year, didn't that come out this year? Yuk Yuk Yuk, sorry I had to go for the easy one.

Anyways I thought I respond to your instead of the wonderful people in the post who think that the 360/PS3 is the greatest thing on God's green earth so I'll just say this.

Why do people think Home will be so great? I have nothing against it, but really its just Second Life/The Sims, just not as good. The only real use I can picture it having is clan meetings before a match.

I know people like to say that you could watch movies, but except for the older classics I don't see any new movies being show for legal reasons. Same for music. Well thats just my opinion anyways.

Ohh and GTA, if I went into a store and saw it both for 360/PS3, where the 360 had more content(DL) and was cheaper I sure as hell get the 360 version. Not because I favor one company over another, but because most people like to save a buck, and in this case that buck saved comes from the 360. Unless of course the PS3 manages to get to the same/ around the same price point as the 360, but I just don't see that happening any time soon.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

While you do have some valid points Jaja, I can't agree with you fully. Some consumers want top of the line electronics.

Not everyone cares to save an extra buck or two.

[jaja1434]

Ohh definitely, but there is a reason Wal_Mart is one of the top stores in the world.*Cheap*
But there is always a market for those who can say, afford a Viper GTS. Sadly I'm not one of them...yet.

[DrPirate]

Point out the similarities between home and The Sims and I'll give you a pancake.

It's like Second Life, but awesome in that, you meet people and you can jump into multiplayer games on a whim with people you just met.

I think it has tons of potential. (I don't care about Trophies, buying stuff, or advertisements, I do care about how it affects how I play games)

[pshizle]

and the ps3 is no where near 10 million

ps3=failure

but hey 2008 can be different..................... .NOT

[RonDeMuerte]

How bout this...try reading the last paragraph in the article..(It's not too long, you could probably finish reading it.)...because I think there might be something in there directed at you...

[ATLRoAcH]

Cause you look like a dumbass when you don't read the article.According to the numbers its doing better then the PS1 and right on par with PS2 compared in their first year.And guess what its right on par with the 360 now.So take your worthless comments to a 360 only site.

[brianpk80]

A year ago, an article like this would have been unheard of. PS3 was supposed to be the unequivocal super-champ this generation. Now all we can do is scratch our heads and wonder "is it really *that* much of a failure?" The fact that the question even needs to be stated speaks volumes.

[felman87]

Where were you last year? all the PS3 negativity articles were far more abundant last year, post E3 than it is this year. Rarely a mention of FF13 or MGS4 moving to 360 has been heard as well.

[brianpk80]

My point wasn't that there were no negative articles about the PS3. My point was that last year, the idea of PS3 as such an overwhelming failure didn't seem like something that could realistically happen. Lo and behold...

[G_CodeMonkey]

These are so idiotic. Put an inflammatory topic up and it gets hits.. His "actually this should be not to count the PS3 out" -- no one credible is doing that. Boycott these stupid stories. gCM

[feejo]

That is interesting statistic.

[ghost305]

I do not want the PS3 nor the X360 to be dead. We as fans needs both companies to stay alive. We need Sony to keep MS on its toes and vice-versa. I do not trust either company.

[Double-Edged]

The PS3 is not a failure.
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It just failed to launch properly... It lacked so much when it was hailed to 'blow 360 out of the water'.... as for gaming, both sides can argue with what system is fun...but it sure hasnt blown anything out the water.

While the PS3 still has a lot to catch up on, the Wii and 360 also has problems of its own.

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I believe the PS3 failed to meet the expectations of gamers of the PS2... The price point, lack of rumble, BC compatability issues, Games at the ready....
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To people who already own the system and enjoy it, WHO is to say that the system is a failure?

KUDOS.

[Keowrath]

Bubbles for you Double Edged, from reading your posts a little while ago you used to come accross much like some of other fanboys on this site. I noticed recently that your posts have become much more mature. It's possible to have respect for other consoles while still remaining a fan of one in particular. I'm pro Sony, and I don't regret my purchase in the slightest. Sure there are things that Sony do wrong and places where they could improve *COUGH* advertising *COUGH* but no company is perfect.

I spent most of this weekend playing PGR4 and loving every minute of it (well maybe not so much the damn Las Vegas track!) In fact I've been thinking of getting a 360 for a while but I need confirmation that the Falcon systems are in fact more reliable... I digress. I'm pro Sony but enjoy playing the 360.

It's just nice to see people comment on their rival system with positive well thought out remarks rather than biatch constantly like the other fanatical fan boys that plague this site!

[wageslave]

You dont need to wait or worry about the heat issues any longer. Why?

Start here:
"Having identified a number of factors which can cause general hardware failures indicated by three red flashing lights on the console, Microsoft has made improvements to the console and is enhancing its Xbox 360 warranty policy for existing and new customers."

http://www.microsoft.com/Pr... (edit: fixed)

Microsoft said at the Tokyo Game Show:

"We have made all the improvements in our manufacturing process, All the consoles on the market have those improvements.

http://www.gamepro.com/news...

The Xbox 360 heat issues have already been fixed, and we already were told so. And we've been seeing the improved hardware for months now.

Every Xbox 360 with a HDMI port has Motherboard Version 1.1. This Motherboard has fewer components, smaller components, new layout, and a new CPU/GPU mounting methodology.

Look at this: http://www.mainstageclothin...

Edit:
@Keowrath

This certainly looks like proof to me. MS Says "We've fixed the console", then they release a changed console.

I mean, what more proof could there be?

[Keowrath]

Sorry but this doesn't prove anything. I think I'll wait until I see something a little more concrete before I buy mine.

By the way your first link doesn't work

Edit @ Wageslave. Practice what you preach dude and don't believe everything you read "Microsoft says" Well it must be true!

[Jandre02]

I dont even think we would be having this convo on a message board. It is simply not fair to compare the Xbox to the PS3 in terms of sales. Or even AAA titles.

Would you want to compare xbox right now to where the PS3 will be a year from now? Its not a failure, and is selling at the same rate as both the PS2 and the 360 was. The first year has always been a rough year for consoles.
The Xbox's first undeniable AAA title was Gears of War, a little after a year of being out.

Our first undeniable AAA title looks to be Ratchet and Clank, but Uncharted seems to be the AAA title more in line with GOW. Whats the difference?

Also, just because a game isnt exclusive doesnt mean it isnt on the PS3. Some games are better, some are worse, but atleast give it a year, especially since its selling as well as the Xbox, and will prob be selling better first year when the 40gb drops. Sony isnt doing as well as anyone thought it would, but surely isnt a failure. If MGS4 sells less than 1 million first month, then you can call it a failure.

[felman87]

Why is Resistance not considered AAA yet PGR4, which is getting similar review scores, is?

[karlostomy]

I would be one who would like to see ps3 in one years time compared to 360 as it is now.

That would be very interesting

Sony will have ONE year from now to live up to all of its hype and 'potential'. I will expect superior gameplay, graphics, framerates, multiports and marketpenetration from the PS3 by then.

..IF it happens....
Came you imagine the excuses if it doesnt happen?

[IntelligentAj]

I just joined the site while looking for next gen news and I must say that all this talk of the console war being over is severely premature. How long did the other console wars last? And when does a console die 11 months. It's a shame people suspend common sense when they get riled up over mostly rumors(from what I have read)

[ATLRoAcH]

Expect lots of flamebaition and hate wars.See someone you don't like...click ignore.You'll be surprised there actually is news every once in awhile.

[Rybnik]

Yeah, welcome. This is nothing new. The media has been claiming the PS3 to be one foot in the grave since it launched...this is nothing new, if anything, this shows that the medias arguments are looking more and more retarded (against PS3) as time goes by..

[Dr Pepper]

flamebaition?

Interesting word...

[ATLRoAcH]

Made that one up myself.Like it?

[gogators]

colbert-esque.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

These articles sure do draw us fanboys out don't they?

[bootsielon]

PS3 has been selling on par with Xbox 360 worldwide with a higher price point. It's not so far from PS2, even when PS3 costs about twice what PS2 did in its lifetime. Xbox 360 has had many advantages, like price and launching early. Wii is also very cheap. PS3 is the most expensive mainstream console to date and it's not failing like NeoGeo or 3DO did. At least not yet and it's too early to tell since PS3 is not even a year old (it's 6 months old in Europe!).

It would be a fair comparison if all consoles were the same price, and were launched at the same time. Why don't we wait for the situation to even out a little bit? Because holidays have yet to kick in, more games have to kick in this holidays, and the post-pricedrop sales have yet to be seen. Furthermore, 2008 has many games and even more surprises to be seen. Perhaps another price drop before GTA4 in march or so, and definitely many games. Perhaps even ANOTHER price drop for holiday 2008. 2009 will also see RE5 and other multiplatform japanese games that will pretty much sell PS3s rather than 360s in japan (you can't deny that).

In 2010, the landscape in japan between 360 and PS3 will definitely show (the changes will pretty much start with WKS and MGS4 early next-year). The influence of having a larger PS3 install base in japan on the rest of the world will be noticeable with several japanese PS3 exclusives (especially RPGs). How much do you think PS3 will be by then? My bet is that by holiday 2008 we will have a $199 "core" PS3, a $299 middle one and a $379 "expensive" one. By 2009 it would be between $149-$299. By 2010, $129-$249. By 2011 $99-$199. 2012: $99-$149. HDDs will be subject to keep growing. And remember it's a marathon, not a sprint.

Let's play now, but let's wait to declare a winner, shall we?

[Rybnik]

I think that is a pretty reasonable price reduction scheme. For me, the wild card is if MS can fix their hardware issues and attain diverse studio support. Honestly, I'm not sure either of these will happen. They haven't yet, and they have had now almost two years..

The diverse games thing is far more important than people give credit to. Hardcore 360 fanboys seem to think that the world plays shooters and western style RPG's above all others. I'm sorry, not only is that not true, it proves how short sighted and narrow minded these individuals are. The truth is that right now and in the future, I would bet my money that the innovation, variety, and keyword: CASUAL fun, are going to come from Sony and Nintendo. MS will continue to dominate the shooter space, but I don't think it will go much beyond that. I really think also that the hardware issues that are continuing to bite MS in the A$$ will not be good in the long run.

[batman2million]

these articles are so useless. i love my 360 but i do think that 08 will be the time for the ps3 to shine.

PS is a big name!

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

For "those" people who ""just don't get it""

[wangdiddy82]

ps3 is a failure so is the xbox 360. The ps3 is right on track with the 360.. And whoever thinks the ps3 wont shine in 2008 is a retard. Tell me one good reason it wont? I can name a crap load of reason why the ps3 will own 2008. Heres a few..

Over 100 million ps2 owners waiting for something in the list below to buy the console.. And its all coming very soon..

Home
Little big planet
white knight
killzone 2
God of war 3
final fantasy
metal gear solid
Socom
tekken 6
gran turismo 5
jax and dexter.
Price drop
Dual shock baby
I know there is more i just cant remember

Anyway the question should be Will the 360 sell in 2008.. Halo 3 is over. I dont see any other system sellers in 2008.. What will make the 360 stay on top???? answer that suckers..

fable 2, huxley, ninja gaiden, mass effect.. Hmmmm no.. Might be good games but there not going to move any systems..

[MikeGdaGod]

least the two i had failed with RRoD and disk read errors.

plus the fact that no matter how many bots think otherwise, the 360 is still considered an un-cool console. its looked at as the console for nerds and lames. the bots here only add to this stereotype.

most of the people that wanted a 360 already have one. the other 100+ million want a PS3 and are just waiting for a price drop and games, which they will have by the end of the year.

360 is DEAD

[nomad117]

see just how great the ps3 is a high def movie player. super wicked sweet video games and great place for music and pictures and all of this is going to be for 400 dollars i think many ppl should pick it up now

[367 To Your Ass]

even though it sold 12,000,000 units and tops the market in internet gaming.

[wageslave]

Lets not debate the two console's libraries. Ignore the prices.

The Xbox 360 has *much* going for it. Console to PC messaging rocks. The Guide plays music, from anywhere, in every game. Tonnes of HD Movies & TV (I cant see Music *not* being this fall). Internet TV(!) for free. Unified LIVE platform for every game. TrueRanking. A good Reputation system to thwart jackarses. Windows Media Center Extender puts your CableCARD, Radio Tuner, and TV Tuner's lets you use WMC as a kick-arse PVR. Developers prefer to work on it because MS KNOWS how to make things Work for Developers. XNA Studio Express. The coming XNA-Tube. XNA 2.0 (in beta now) brings a LIVE live library to XNA Studio Express. Xbox LIVE Arcade Rocks with a great mix of new and classics. Tonnes of Free Content of all types (Aegis Wing comes to mind). Achievements. Live Vision in many games. Chat in many games. MS is running a Contest to get a high-quality exclusive TV series produced for the Xbox 360.

All that said. MS *does* have a better Library. Xbox 360 users buy *a lot* of games, this is the critical mass that makes

The idea that MS didnt plan to ship games in 2008 is just silly... it is Sony Defence Force members making a positive (FUD against MS) out of a Bad (that the PS3 Library is late, and hopes to improve in 2008).

And, about the price? Who cares! I bought a Xbox 360 because of all the things listed above *AND* I know that MS is going to gaurantee top quality games for the machines lifetime.

I'll probably skip on the HD-DVD Unit, because Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players in my Vista box will work with the Windows Media Center on Xbox 360 rendering the whole notion of included HD content players a moot one.

MS has 1000 irons in the fire for the Xbox 360 -- AND -- will certainly more than keep up with the PS3 library, it will probably remain in the lead (based on 3rd Parties needing the Xbox 360 install base, improved productivity b/c MS made the system to make Developers happy and productive (less Expense to develop on Xbox 360 vs. PS3 therefore more game b/c of the financial opportunity or More-Game) and the propensity of the Xbox 360 user-base to buy games (Xbox 360 users buy as many games as the PS3 and Wii owner combined)).

All these things add up to a slam dunk from MS. There is no reason to think that this is all going to somehow go away. Sony has to do something *better* than MS and, outside of SDF-wishful thinking, I dont see it happening.

MS isnt going to just *stop* adding value so Sony can catch up. MS is further ahead on the Economies of Scale to enable price reductions, the PS3 will *never* cost less than the Xbox 360.

Sony *cant* win this on price cuts. Now that the two devices are delivered, Sony has to do it with software and added-value. And what signs are there of that situation changing?

By the time Sony gets all these Value-Adds caught up, MS would have put another bunch on their list of things "to-do to catch up".

This Generation is not just about the Games -- but even if it *was*, no one can argue that Xbox 360 isnt leading their too. Price? Xbox 360. Added Value? Xbox 360. Games? Xbox 360. Entertainment-Hub? Xbox 360. Communication/Community/Interc onnectivity? Xbox 360.

Where does the PS3 "lead"?

I'll say, Xbox 360 wont be running GNU/Linux anytime soon, but Ive got an old PC for that. I dont know why you'd want to use a gaming console as a general purpose PC.

Xbox 360 should have a browser just so you can check things out if you need too in a hurry from the couch.

Microsoft doesnt have a DS or PSP, which makes for a nice ecosystem of gaming for people. Though, I'd be *very* surprised if MS isnt working on some kind of Portable Gaming product. What that will be, Im not sure. Maybe a XNA runtime for Windows Mobile devices? Maybe a Zune Gaming device. Maybe Zune 3.0 will be Media + Game device. I dont know, but MS needs a portable gaming solution.

Sony cutting prices and features isnt a good sign. Sony selling its Cell facilities to Toshiba isnt a good sign. Sony selling its Insurance Division to shore up the loses in the Gaming Division isnt great either.

While I dont think it is right to say "PS3 is dead", I would say that PS3 has some serious challenges if it wants to *NOT* die.

If Sony doesnt fix itself up between now and Fall 08, Sony WHQ might have to take a long look at PS3 and start thinking about how to fix things for PS4. By this time next year, things will be more settled out.

BTW, I dont believe Wii has much to say in all this, it offers nothing else besides video games...doesnt have the horsepower to last in the AAA Game realm... so, its going to get no 3rd party support. Inspite of all the chat to the contrary, Wii owners arent the core of the gaming market that drives software sales.

[Death]

That's not to say it can't do better, but as of right now the PS3 is a distant third in sales.So far the 360's sales are very close to the original Xbox's which for lack of better words, wasn't good. The PS3 is selling even worse. The 10 year plan isn't as great as it sounds, but isn't rediculous either. At the rate Sony is going it will be three years before the console even comes close to the sub $200 mass market price point. Untill that happens it will be lucky enough to stay on peoples radar. In three years we will be about five years into this generation and that will bring us close to the next. It is a very risky decision to be that close to the next gen before mass market saturation begins since Sony will run the risk of being outdated with a small user base which was choked by a higher entry point.

The PS3 can still do very well this generation, but it is a long uphill battle to get there. The 40 gig isn't the answer since $400 is still a hardcore pricepoint and most of the hardcore buyers either have one already or they will pay more for the "good" version.

-Death

[wangdiddy82]

Once home drops xbox live will look way way out dated.. And guess what its all free baby.. And i have way fewer online issues with my ps3 than the 360..

Oh yea warhawk owns online gaming for consoles right now..

[7ero H3LL]

and ps3 has already sold 6 million............so that means to you there are over 13,000,000 users that are on psn right now.

Oh and by the way halo3 has already hit a total 1,000,000 hrs of game play (making it the 1st in internet gaming history in just 240 hrs).

[Texas GMR]

I see the word "failure" as too harsh. It's just taking the developers a little longer to master than what Sony expected. I'm very interested in seeing what can be done with it still.

[SlaughterMeister]

apparently this guys dictionary is a failure, he spelled "imminent" wrong.

i stopped reading there, because if someone isn't smart enough to spell properly, they aren't worth listening to.

[367 To Your Ass]

it passed the dictionary, since there are two variations of the word.

and i probably should expect you to be over my shoulders when i text, huh?

[7ero H3LL]

..........with glasses.

[Trick Nolte]

has made ALOT of mistakes but they aint dead, not even close. I'm a HUGE Nintendo fan but a logical guy before that. The sleeping giant(Sony) is slowly opening up its eyes. Strong Q4 line up and a much needed price drop. Many people have just been waiting for a price drop for PS3 and its here.

This is sure to take a little steam away from the Wii-Run-Away-Train. As for 360, Looks like NA and the UK are the only areas they have been able to successfully penetrate in 2 years. 10m and 1.5m in other regions outside of the US.

I think Sony is about to strike hard again.

[colony]

no

[The Wood]

lets see how the race finishes before we use our 'unbiased' opinions to talk the ps3 up or down.

peeps like pog bloodmask bladestar Zhuk and the marts opinion mean absolutely nothing to the real world. they just speak for speaks sake. not to be rude but do any of those guys have lives outside of console/pc gaming. i say this because articles like this are fun dont get me wrong and all comments are mostly tongue in cheek but the constant HATE shown by these guys leaves me to believe that they dont have real lives outside of gaming i mean would they be typing this stuff in front of their WAG's (wives and girlfriends for the people outside the uk) or by themselves in a dark room celebrating sony bad news with clenched fist and dilated pupils. i also put nasim and a few others in this category but not bill gates because he is on n4g strictly for making jokes in my opinion (where has he been) The sad truth is our opinions rarely matter to the real world apart from when good things come of it like ms publicly acknowledging the rrod and sony lowering the price of the ps3 but other than that its mainly chaff fueled by dim motives and insecurities. now i've had my fill of fanboys i can honestly say that its getting tedious and often pushes me away from n4g but that being said big up to the people like EZCheez, MK_Red, VirusE, Lumbo, snoop d, Meus Renaissance,THAMMER1, ReBurn plus loads that i've missed because i cant remember their names at this point in time. There are guys on that list from both next gen camps but they keep me coming to n4g because they normally dont just speak for speaks sake and will mostly make intelligent witty comments and even if i disagree with them i can appreciate adult communication.

To all the elite fanboy gamers that i missed, you know who you are/ You suck

to all the intelligent gamers who may have a preference to different consoles but still have class, you also know who you are/ Big up

ps3 failure = in your dreams fanboy

[frank jaeger]

yes....ps3 is a faliure....is it so hard to figure out?

now im gona get blasted by every stupid fanboi here , there might b 1000s of ps3 fannygirls but 1 sensible xbot(through my experianceses every xbot is sensible) can leave the rest speechless ,u fangirls just dont want to see ur precious sony gods crash and burn... and if u disagree plz feel free to leave a comment (except u nasim)

nuff said

[Dogswithguns]

....until a FAT lady sings.

[FirstknighT]

You have to look at what makes and breaks a game console...and that is video games. And the ps3 lacks that department. Resistance and Motorstorm are the only big sellers topping around 1.3million total sales each. While the 360 has about 20 games that already hit the million sale mark. Ps3's big games like Heavenly Sword is a sales flop with 180k total sold. While gems like Bioshock is going to be another million game seller. The 360 is a making some serious $$$ for game developers while the ps3's is just pissing off developers.

Not to mention the 360 is absolutely crushing the ps3 in the gaming department...You can't argue FACTS kiddies and check out the recent releases...

ps3...
Heavenly Sword: 81%
Warhawk: 84%
Lair:56%
Folklore: 75%

360...
Forza 2: 90%
Bioshock: 96%
Halo 3: 94%
PGR4: 87%

Only reason the ps3 is selling is because the rabid fanbase. But the word is out and gamers are picking up the 360 and leaving the ps3 in the dust. Better luck next season...

[xplosneer]

All those reviews are made up of opinions which makes the total an OPINION. Get it? Also, the games you mentioned were both shooters and racers. Are we suddenly forgetting Two Worlds?

[Juevani]

In my opinion the console with 40 % failure rate (RRoD) is a failure. prove me wrong?

Man think before u write or do some reseacher add least.

HS : 90 %
WH : 95 / 100 % (one of the thing people and reviewers say is its the best online experience on consoles, and have better graphics than helo)

Forza : a flop GT wanna be
Halo 2.1 : do I need to say more?
BS : No online.

Im out

[Lord2008]

In my opinion

HS - FLOP (poor sales figures)
WH - ("one of the thing people and reviewers say is its the best online experience " maybe for the 5 people who get on it. plus more online players in one day on halo

Lair - 50% at best
(i would list more game but there are none)

Home - WTF

[Death]

Heavenly Sword is an excellent game, so is Resistance and Warhawk. On the other side of the coin, Forza 2 is absolutely fantastic and Halo 3 is breaking sales records everywhere. If you can't see that there are some really great games on both consoles you need to take the fanboy shades off because they are blinding you.

The topic here is not about games as much as it is about bad marketing decisions by Sony in regards to the PS3. So far they aren't doing a good job which is kinda sad since they should know better.

-Death

[wageslave]

"In my opinion the console with 40 % failure rate (RRoD) is a failure. prove me wrong"

Where the mother fcuk did you pull that out of your arse? Care to provide a citation for that? You fanboys are *out* of your minds if you think that is remotely accurate.

Provide a reputable CITATION or STFU.

That said, when my PS2 burnt a motherboard -- did Sony replace it? No! I did. When the 2nd unit fried two drives, did Sony replace those?

I've bought 5 Xbox 360s. 3 as gifts for nephews/nieces. 1 Pro, and I bought a Elite for the other TV when it launched. Each has been owned since last year (save the Elite). Not a single problem with any of them.

I know *no one* personally that has a failed console. I know it happens, but it has been blown *WAY* out of proportion.

And, for every failed unit, MS fixes it -- for free. Sony lost me as a customer with the poor quality PS2. And MS justified my choice when it announced the 3 Year Warranty.

[xplosneer]

with Death, no Ps3 commercials at all ever.

[SabreMan]

why do topics like this get passed on here ??

lets just look at the facts here not through any fanboy rose tinted glasses as a gamer

the ps3 with it's apparent lack of games and to high a price point has and is selling more or less the same as the 360 did in it's first year, it's also selling more or less the same as the ps1 and ps2 did.
it has an install base of around 5 million worldwide even tho it apparently has no games.
So with that in mind i would say it's been a remarkable success, with the imminent price cut and new model the ps3 will surpass the 360 in weekly/monthly sales.
Who do you think is worried at this moment in time, i will tell you who shall i "Microsoft" Sony is atlast starting the push that the ps3 deserves, some great titles coming out in the next few months along with a price cut is going to see the ps3 fly of the shelves.

Seriously is the ps3 a failure ????

[Death]

It was also selling like gangbusters in Europe and Japan. Compared to Sony's first two outings, the PS3 is failing to sell as well in the same time frame. Is the PS3 on it's own a failure? It is way to early to say this, but anything less than the PS2's sales will be a loss of market share. Of course if the PS3 solidifies Blu-Ray as the next gen format, then SOny will have diversified it's business which is probably there main goal this gen. Sony can't live on Playstation alone and Microsoft can't rely on OS's for 100% either.

-Death

[JasonX43]

All the PS3 needs is a true killer app that everyone wants to play. Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Heavenly Sword were okay starts, but they're not MGS4 or FF13. Remember, the Genesis didn't truly tke off until Sega cooked up Sonic The Hedgehog.

[xg-ei8ht]

No all the ps3 ever needed in the usa was a price drop and more fps,tps type games.

And for e.a to get their act together ps3 wise.

I think patcher was right about this.

Wii will finish second
xbox360 will be third

Hence you know the winner.

Uncharted,ut3,gt5,mgs4,rachet &clank(remmember guys r&c)ps2 owners are gonna jump for the 40gb.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

The Ps3 will never die. It's not like no one will buy it. But it's definately not where Sony wanted it to be ATM. No one can deny that the console wasn't supposed to destroy everything from the start. Did it? No.

The console will never die and for good reason. Competition is healthy. It may not be my console of choice, until some of the better games start being released. This is weird for me, since I owned a Sony Ps1 and 3 Ps2's.

Never had an original Xbox. But I love my 360 more than any of the PS products. Been lucky I guess, not RRoD, and one person I know has gotten it. This is out of over a dozen people I know personally.

I only know one person with a Ps3. That says something about the console there. When not many people you even know have the console...

But again. It'll never 'fail'. But it may be looked back on in history as a 'failure', or 'flop'. But I doubt it.

Unless after this Xmas MSFT continues to dominate the American market, and start to get the EU market. But doing this would be difficult since most of Ps3's great games are starting to be released next year.

But then again, a lot of those are going to be multiplat.

[psycho360]

Ps3 can be considered a failure in terms of what sony wanted it to achieve in its first year. IT was to bring down the 360s dominance as soon as it was launched. Sony's attitude and arrogance has led them to this precarious position. They ignored their key target market, which is the gamers and instead focused on trojoning BD drive and hyping PS3 as a multimedia hub, or even as far as saying that one wouldn't require a computer if they buy ps3. Well the truth is in the numbers, right now they have no clue as what will make the consumer buy it. The real fact is that if they release quality games, focus on educating devs to optimise games for it and drop good number of demos on PSN. This way people will not feel cheated after spending money and then just waiting for some good games to come.

Relasing new SKU will not make a prospective consumer confident about ps3 cuz they will want to wait for some more time to get even cheaper model. So sony just try to push the devs to finish their games quickly but make sure quality is not compromised. Once the library of quality games is established then boxes will start moving, with a little help from a price drop.

[dirtrider]

wow i only currently own a 360 and really im tired of these articles. with the new ps3 version and some solid games between now and march 08 i think ps3 will do amazing this holiday. i will be getting one and who knows maybe soon the only current gen console ill own is a ps3.

[wageslave]

People who wait for Xmass shopping are more price sensative than people who buy at other times of the year.

People who shop for Consoles dont buy a machine because of what is going to be released in the future. They buy what is in front of them at the time.

Aunt Sally doesnt buy her sons' a Santa Claus PS3 because she knows 08 is gonna bring AAA titles.

Aunt Sally buys her son the box that costs a little less, ships with a couple games. THEN she tells grandpa to buy Halo 3, cause she heard about it on CNN being the biggest game in history.

Holiday shoppers arent core gamers, and they are less informed. All that said, if Wii can get the machines into stores, its is going to be Wii, then XBox and PS3 third.

Core gamers are the ones that have bought more than twice as many Xbox 360s than PS3s. Core gamers are the ones buying 6 Xbox 360 games a year, and 3 PS3 games.

[iMad]

That's very frustrating for me. Why this is not so good for PS3? Maybe this is real that people talks about poor PS3 RSX chip and small amount of memory (256+256 not good enought as streight 512 in XBOX)? Maybe this is real that RSX DirectX 9 level chip? while XBOX 360 can run Direct 10 graphics. If that true so then we could see Crysis level of GFX on XBOX and never see on PS3.

I'am very boring with my PS3. Just look at XBOX 360 games..I am starting to want them more and more..:( Why where is still no so beatifull game like Gears of War on PS3. Why there is still no use of SPE in multiplatform and EPIC's Unrial Engine? That's a long time have allready passed to understand PS3 and start to develop games better that on XBOX 360..but there is nothing...:(

[psycho360]

BORAT? Is that you?

[frank jaeger]

lol..borat...gud 1

[Antiomo]

1) Its doing just as welll if not better than xbox when it reached their 11th month aniversary

2) It is making a significant impact vs HD-dvd (it is actually pushing out disc sales, and it is recognized as a blu-ray player

3)It is a pretty dam reliable piece of electronic

4) it is the center piece of entertainment when friends come over...... sorry not EVERYONE plays games

5) there is a decent ammount of games in all genres except RTS

ppl have to remember this is a long term commitment from Sony, and many business have faith in this peice of hardware. It is a very positive not that the BDA recognizes the ps3 as a viable blu-ray player.

[cdzie1]

2 price cuts in under 4 months? Yes, PS3 is a huge failure!

[Almighty]

The PS3 is going to have some good games, true. But face it fanboys, is going to be a complete failure like the gamecube, remember the awesome games of this console? but sold like crap, that's exactly the destiny of the PS3.

So funny when the animals start naming titles like R&C or FFXIII. Gamecube had SO MUCH BETTER games like Zelda Wind Waker, Metroid Prime or Eternal Darkness and yet the console sold like sh1t.
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PS3= Dreamcast2
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Face it fanboys.

[sleepbox]

I love the price cuts. When it hits $300, I will buy one.

[crippler666]

No it isn't, the only console to ever beat the PS3 in the first year is the Wii.

IMO too many people want the PS3 to fail, they want Sony to lose this round. They will forgive anything that Microsoft and Nintendo do as long as Sony don't win.

In as much as I want the PS3 to sell well, I DON'T want Microsoft nor Nintendo to fail. Halo 3 means that Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 will be amazing. Mario Galaxy will mean that Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Daxter will be that damn good. Every game now has to be one-upped by the next, kill Sony and the need of competition becomes less.

[Death]

The PS2 sold 6.5 million in the U.S. alone in the first year. The PS1 numbers were very similar to that. The Xbox 360 sold somewhere around 9 million in year one and the Wii as you mentioned sells better than everything. The PS3 numbers are still premature since it hasn't been a whole year and the Thanksgiving rush is where consoles get their biggest boost, but for the PS3 to outsell the others they have alot of work to do. If the PS3 was selling well you wouldn't have seen so many price cuts, hardware revisions, SKU's and bundles in the first year. This is not common for any manufacturer and typically a bad sign.

-Death

[bloodzombie77]

I'm getting sick of all this douchebaggery.

The 40GB IN THE US WILL HAVE SOFTWARE BC, JUST LIKE THE 80GB!

[IRONMAN_357kickback]

when ps3 in its first year has sold 6 million
while xbox only sold 1.9 million this year, thats a failure ;)

[resistance100]

When it comes to sales i think everyone is forgeting that the ps3 is yet to have its first xmas in Europe, which is the area and time it will sell more units than anywhere else

[MaximusPrime]

the next coming months will be interesting.

Personally, I know PS3 will beat xbox 360. Why?
PS3 will be released at reduced price, more fantastic games coming out, under 0.1% failure rate. imagine what it will be like if they release Colony Wars for PS3, just like Wipeout and GT5 ( to name a few)
Xbox 360, still unreliable console (over 33% failure rate), RROD, too many american shoot-'em-up games, console is 3 times noisier than PS3.

No wonder people are beginning to reject xbox 360.

As for Wii, no offense. I think Nintendo did a risky but fantastic job. Well done.

I look forward to say well done to Sony in a few months time.

[Nuch Vader]

The Playstation 3 isn't not a failure but it will never enjoy being the Market leader. Wii is now King of the Mountain with Xbox 360 right behind them. Playstation 2's strong position in the Market place is helping to Kill Playstation 3. Sony's worst competition is their own system.

[MaximusPrime]

your comment makes no sense at all. come back in a few months and regret it.

[Nuch Vader]

MaximusPrime, we all know that you Playstation Fanboys lack the brain capacity to think on your own, so I'll make my statement clear. You're Fuggin system is a distant third place. With the Release of Halo 3, the Xbox 360 is selling like Hot cakes. Wii is unstoppable. Your system's dead and you were stupid enough to buy a playstation 3. You bought a system that is a second rate console. The bulk of your games are Xbox 360 hand me downs. Your future titles are Halo Wanna Be's. You will always get your Multi-Platform games far after Xbox 360 versions have been on the market and you will get inferior ports at that. Now do you understand. Fuggin Lemming.

[MaximusPrime]

sorry, gay gaystation. you are on my ignore list. we do not allow any hardcore xbots or any other fanboys on this site.

[Dannagar]

Naturally, no one like to hear the truth when it hurts. You yourself are obviously a Playstation Extremist.

[MaximusPrime]

im almost approaching Playstation Extremist. i dont always make PS fanboy comments.

[Dannagar]

The game market is different all over the world. I can't tell you that the Xbox is a great system where you live. Release dates are different and because Sony Held back the PS3 release in Europe, it may be a healthier market out their. In North America, it been apparent that Sony Lost their momentum. However, you have to enjoy the battle between the Giants. Healthy competition brings great games and price drops. It will be interesting to see what happens this Christmas with the New 40 Gig PS3.

[darkside]

PS3 is not going to fail, Why would anyone want a system to fail? if any of the 3 console were to fail, that means there is not going to be original fun games coming out for it....FANBOYS are DUMB not to realize that we all push each other to make better games and consoles!!!!!. Support the industry and quit being idiots!!!!
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- Man i miss the Dreamcast :P
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Believe!!!

[agent864]

i am a ps3 fan but purchased a 360 elite (with 2 yr replacement warranty) for my nephew who's a cancer survivor because that was the console that he *wanted*. We should be singing the praises of all systems instead of trashing them for any of them to go out of business would be tragic for all of us.

stop the hate !

[IRONMAN_357kickback]

just get a ps3, all your dreams will come true, for now, youre doomed with a 360, i mean 37% failure rate, thats horundus

[karlostomy]

you said:" i mean 37% failure rate, thats horundus"

dude...
it's embarrassing to even read your comment.
Your facts are wrong and you can't spell.
Stay in school dude.

The word is 'horrendous'
and the failure rate is 'up to 30%'.
MS has fixed that problem and given everyone a 3 year warranty.

What would Sony have done?
oh thats right: Empty hype and more promises.

[Almighty]

The PS3 is dead folks, please use your brains.

No matter what, the playstation brand doesn't have anymore the same appeal as they had before with the PS2. No fanboys, Ratchet & Clank is not going to save the console. No fanboys, Final Fantasy XIII is not going to save the console. No fanboys, MGS4 is not going to save the console.

As i said before, use the FRIGGIN BRAIN.

The same PStards said that Heavenly Sword is going to "save the PS3" "is going to be a killer app" "is going to be game of the year" and what are the results? A decent game with an average of 79/100 with sales of less than 200.000 in more than 3 weeks.

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Face it fanboys, the PS3 doesn't have a future. (Doesn't even have a present).
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[lil Titan]

if the PS3 is a failure gaming will very, very, very, slowly advance to what Sony want it to be. not picking sides but techology wise here is the top to bottom 1. PS3 (it has blu-ray giving it the edge) 2.Wii (motion sensing and thats preety much it) 3.Xbox360 (its dead last because there is nothing really except a gfx upgrade) but PS3 will never be a so called failure in my book for the biggest reason of all Killer apps and the time they come out, each must have game is spaced out not perfectly but spaced out enought to say hey this game is coming out i need to keep my system or get this system

[IRONMAN_357kickback]

How is ps3 dead whn it has the most killer apps coming out, hmmmm

ps3 just started and it has 6million sold with a high price point, thats like saying ps2 is a failure

Use your brain 360 has only sold 1.9 million this year and HALO is out, hasnt really moved consoles that much, then mass effect thats it

A 37% failure rate takes the cake too, they even lied and said it was 3%

If ps3 were dead, the gaming industry would die too, because SONY is the gaming industry king, so USE YOUR BRAIN

[Sly]

I really agree with this article it is early to say that the ps3 is dead, it is only ignorance of fanboys who say that type of stuff. The charts in the article explain the comparison between the PS1, PS2, Wii and 360 compared to the PS3. I have to say that the PS3 hasn't done that bad. In the early release of the PS1 the PS3 doubled it sales and matched the PS2 early sales.In comparison with the 360's first months the PS3 roughly had the same sales.While the wii is owning much more sales than any other console. But Remember that the PS3 had a higher price tag then the PS1 and PS2 when they launched i believe if the PS3 had a lower price tag it will even have sold more units than any other console. Which makes common sense.

[jlytle1234]

"it is only ignorance of fanboys who say that type of stuff"
unfortunatley i daily come to this site looking for gaming news only to read articles written out of ignorance or intentions of fueling the console war. the silly things fanboys say usually dont get out of the forums and dont effect the unknowing masses. However the media will reach the unknowing masses through the web, magazines, and tv and spread their deceitful stories educating the uneducated with lies.

[zonetrooper5]

God damnit guys, veto this article and bias crap, I've had it 5 times in a row now and I want to read something new.

VETO VETO VETO VETO. =)

[ilovepswii60]

but in europe, ps3 is gonna sell lkie hotcakes.

two games : fifa o8 and pro evo

[codeazrael]

The PS3 was riding in a brand new BMW with a big, bald, black man believed to be the Xbox 360 elite. The 360 is currently being questioned by the Las Vegas police but has not been named a suspect in the shooting. The PS3 just finished with and was getting ready to release his latest, entitled "40 gig" and many believed that this release was going to be a direct rival to the multiplatinum selling Xbox 360, and that is why this whole scenario is so suspicious. We'll keep you up to the minute as we receive the latest. BTW, They only allowed us to take one picture of the PS3 in its hospital room on life support. We pass the picture on to you. Click below.

[Nytr8]

I bought a PS3 on launch day as I did with the 360. I dont care for fanboyism, I just love gaming. Unfortunately my PS3 is just a big shiny door stop and the 360 has been begging for mercy.

Sony were leaders, now their just copycats, thinking they can do it better. The wiimote... er cough cough sixaxis just bugs me, the only thing I like it on is Flow.
The shop is cr*p, the font is too small, the navigation is tedious, looks and feels like any typical website. Community, friends, notifications all useless. It feels boring. PC streaming is all there but again boring. I want more,
Where the hell is Home?????
Gimme littleBIGplanet dam it.
BluRay is amazing (as is HD-DVD), The build quality and relibility is amazing!!! although its had a fraction of gaming time compared to my redeye 360.
All I want to do is enjoy owning as PS3 but I dont.

Here we go... 360, I love it.
I HATE the relibility, im on my third one and honestly its getting ridiculous, but I cant stop playing it or give it up. It's used for so much. The whole dashboard feels funky, you all know what it can do or are to stubborn to wanna know.
The webcam effect is COOL,
live arcade is bliss,
Xbox live,
friends,
notifications
and community are amazing.
Downloads are great, Personalisation is diverse. Media centre is the sh1t. Got all my content from my pc all personalised with cool images for all my films (VOB) in 5.1, all my music with album art streaming to the 360 and the best bit is its exactly the same look and feel as my vista pc, that makes me happy, coz it makes me feel like I have a true independant multi-room media system. Hate microsoft all you want but the end of the day the majority of the world runs on windows and if you do love music movies etc then media centre (vista or xp) is great, yeah there are some gripes but most can be worked around with abit of googling.

(all professionals excluded) Most Mac and Linux users always act like there superior beings but at the end of the day, mac (one mouse button??, pleeease... gimme more credit than that, me have enough brain cell to um... use two button) is all about vanity and image to most, and linux is mostly used by the hardcore and underground. Windows is the constant and worldwide, like it or not. I happen to like it.

Oh and the stats in the article are usless. You gotta take the population increase since ps1 to ps3 also the growth and acceptance of the gaming industry in the years that have passed that has led to a ever increasing community of gamers. And the fact that many consumers choose the PS3 over the majority of bluray players on the market on recommendation of many retailers.

wow, gonna stop now.

[DFresh]

Peter Moore said the same thing about the PS2 that it was going to die but guess what the PS2 is entering it's 8 year cycle and all of the consoles from that generation are dead including the original Xbox which they said would crush the competition but didn't. People are just jealous right now that the PS3 is getting better and better really fast and the shocking thing is that Killzone 2 game only uses 50% of the PS3's power.
I found that frightening to know the PS3 still has a wide variety to work with when it comes to technology in games.
Believe it the PS3 is the future it'll take time to master but once it's released get ready for the biggest show of your life.
God only knows what the PS4 will do in it's release of 2016.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

yes PS3 is a failure, I can't grill my f'king steak on it. Deceptive Design is what I call it.

[Xbox is the BEST]

since I've been playing video games Atari 2600 til now every new system has had better graphics than the consoles launched before on day 1 except the PS3. Gamers not fanboys want the best when it comes to games. Better graphics, better games and better framerate for less $$$. Wait on new technology to catch up? If this is the case then they shouldn't have released it then. Is this Sony's vision of Next Gen? The PS3 is a good system and will have great games but Sony hyped it beyond belief and the truth is out Xbox 360 is the better gaming system. The world is not filled with fanboys.

[360_Rules]

Yes the PS3 is a big failure as a games machine. Blame Sony for using it as a trojan horse.

[joydestroy]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO.
it's not a failure, duh.

[IRONMAN_357kickback]

you complain abouot price? You very poor bastards:

800$ BLURAY, which is needed no duh
The best cell processor but who cares right
The best line up of games and software, games make the system too dont make me say them
free online, now its HOME which is a virtual world, kicks ass
8 IBM cores which are the cpu's for your game entertainment while xbox has 3
nearly no failure rate, .1 %, while 360 has a 37%

this is why REAL GAMERS KNOW PS3 is the best package

[ReBurn]

Real gamers don't choose sides.

[spike]

Ita not a complete failure, its got some goods games coming out, but if games are going to be getting delayed, then yes it will be a failure. I dont think it will win the next gen console war.

[Abu]

... in just one year. Rumble is 'last gen' - until Sony wakes up, looses its law suite, and decides to add it. And let's not forget how important BC was ... until the over engineered, over priced console failed to sell. Now Sony is ditching everything it can to bring the price down in a final bid to stay in the race.

Good luck!

[batman2million]

I don't care how much i get hated on! I love that picture! hahahh

[ToastyMcNibbles]

Sony just needs to advertise the sh*t outta the ps3 and it'll be fine...they gotta get that negative energy away but they should feel flattered that websites and everyone expect so much from the ps3..i know i would