Joystiq: Why the PS3's lack of backwards compatibility is upsetting

Due to popular demand Joystiq thought it best to clarify further why exactly, they feel Sony's move to drop backwards compatibility from the 40GB PAL model was at best misguided and at worst cruel to its consumer base.

First off, the cost to Sony for including the software emulation is very minimal. Though some people have cited the Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer, both of those pieces of hardware were removed from the PAL design in late February 2007 and cost an estimated $27. Essentially, the software emulation has been running entirely on PS3 hardware for the full extent of its tenure in the PAL region. So that $27 that Sony is presumably saving by not using software backwards compatibility is misinformed.

[DJ]

which included the EE CPU, the system RAM, the GS GPU, the GS ED-RAM (yes, it's expensive), as well as the I/O chip. Really, if you want to play PS2 games on the PS3, just get the 80GB; if you don't care about them, get the 40GB.

*80GB still has GS chip, ED-RAM, and I/O chip.

[Husso]

That and umm

So who are th e people that buy a 2k tv a 400 PS3 to play old ungly previous gen sd games ?

[jaja1434]

The people who might want to only have the PS3 sitting in their TV station as opposed to a PS3 and PS2.

[Real Gambler]

The PS3 is doing a very, very good job with PS2 games. I'm rediscovering some good old PS2 games and it's amazing how good they look...

But like many people said, if you don't care about the PS2, buy the cheaper version, and if you care a little bit, then trust me, you should pay more and go for the good old 60gb version while they last : )

One last comment: Another proof that quite often comments from a blog are not to be trusted... This gentlemen was saying there was no PS2 hardware left on the PAL PS3, and then came back to update his blog with: "With some help from Engadget Japan's Ittousai, we have found diagrams indicating the switch from Emotion Engine + Graphic Synthesizer chip to just a graphics synthesizer chip, implying the software emulation was partially hardware-supported"

So from no hardware, to: "oops, there's some left"?

And sure enough, people have been quick to spread this (mis)information to other web sites as well...

[dale1]

hey joystiq don,t feel sorry for us in europe we won,t be getting rid of our ps2 problem solved.since the annoucement four people i know of have placed orders at game, best is they get points worth £15.00 off as well making it £285.00

[kalel114]

I totally agree. I don't live in Europe, but this what I believe is going to happen. There are 100 million PS2's out there. Just keep your PS2, buy the 40 gig, and enjoy the savings.

[ENNO]

How dare they say that when I can count the NO. of back cat games for the 360 on 1 hand.....

[Snukadaman]

hypocrisy at its best i say.

joystiq is a blog..where indeed sometimes their opinion shows..you dont like what joystiq says, do your own blog..this place, people with agendas on both sides have their news approved yes..big difference...but the gist is still the same...people putting up their opinions.

http://www.n4g.com/News-726...
you call tripe like this news? I guarantee nothing like this is posted on either joystiq or kotaku..or hell even destructiod. so again big difference.

[Jdoki]

Personally I'm not to bothered about the loss of BC. It just means anyone who owns a PS2 will have to keep hold of it if they ever want to play old games. More than anything the loss of BC is an inconvenience.

But the issue I have with it's loss it because of statements like this... It falls in to the 'Rumble is last-gen', 'no multiple SKU's' statements we've seen.

"Backwards compatibility, as you know from PlayStation One and PlayStation 2, is a core value of what we believe we should offer. And access to the library of content people have created, bought for themselves, and accumulated over the years is necessary to create a format. PlayStation is a format meaning that it transcends many devices -- PSOne, PS2, and now PS3" - Phil Harrison, Sony, December 2006

[PimpHandHappy]

on the same TV with just a few steps to turn it on. Its great! I have room for 4 different systems on my one TV! Its very cool tech

~~rooling eyes~~

[WilliamRLBaker]

you cant play the ps2 on the same tv? u need to edit your comment, you make your self look bad with it.

and 2nd guess what your beloved company has said before that BC is an very important thing to them...yet now its not? lol thats funny sony lies and lies and lies and never delivers on what they promise.

[doomsonyman]

every last ps2 and ps1 game i have works on my ps3. this is just false press they are lying and making a big deal over nothing. especily since you can't play any xbox games on the 360. i think these journalists should be making articals about the 360 failuar rates, RROD and how microsoft said that 1080p couldn't be done in games and now guess what, sony has over 20 games in 1080p at 60 FPS.

i laugh and pity those who hate and are out to get sony because then i know that they are ametures and know nothing about gaming or about the inovation and passion that sony has broght to this industry. microsoft has a billion things that could be brought to light under a magnifiing to make them all look like fools and yet you see all these undeserved sony articals. what has sony done nbut bring great games, developer adn unmask the true power and potentiol of this industry. sony doesn't deserve this, they'ev done nothing but good

[WilliamRLBaker]

wow what a retard you are and the people that agreed with you too.

you guys do know he just said this
"especily since you can't play any xbox games on the 360.""

it cant play ANY xbox gameS? last I checked the list was 300 original xbox games that could be played.

[Snukadaman]

jesus the paranoia roflmao. whats funnier is 5 people actually agree with this moron. My god this place is hilarious. I cant belive some of the horsesheit. roflmao.

[RussianSniper]

Actually, it's pretty smart.

I know a friend that's going to order a EU PS3 40gig for how cheap it is since he already has a PS2. If he wanted to play his old games...well then he'd play em. ;)

[Snukadaman]

Instead of letting people have the option of playing ps2 games on the ps3, they would have too either buy the ps2, or buy the 80 gig ps3's that can play ps2 games, no one was buying anyways. sony wins either way...and the consumer loses.

[gunnerforlife]

yes they have taken B.C of but if this becomes a bg issue then sony will fix it buy firmware updates, so no need to worry or just fork out another 50 for 2 extra games, now thats a deal.

[Expy]

Okay, and Joystiq explained exactly what now? Seemed more like a rant to me, from a website full of editors that have been less than supportive to Sony up to now.

[romemac7]

this is just sony entry level model for people that just want a cheaper ps3 that all. so it don't have all the features of a 60gb ps3!!! that why they call it cheaper level people. but you know it still have a 40gb hdd, blu-ray player, wifi, hdmi out,2 usb post, 4801, 480p, 720i, 720p, 1080i,1080p and play all the ps3 game that the 20gb,60gb, and the 80gb one do, the same can't be said for the 360 entry level core 360 which had no hdd, no wifi, no nothing and you can't play the same game as in the 360 hdd one lol.

@bloodmask this article is just dumb!!! every one here know your a big time Microsoft's fanboy and maybe bill gets son!!! how about you do a article about how many xbox game can the 360 play mmmm!!!or why Microsoft still haven fix the RROD!!!or why Microsoft addle hdmi to there 360 whey they said it wasn't needed

[jkoz]

There is no such thing as 720i concerning the PS3.

[doomsonyman]

excactly just do what i do adn discount these so called professional articals as fanboy ranter and move on

[techie]

For a start they are completely wrong. PAL PS3's still have the GC in place - without it software emulation DOES NOT work. Are they stupid or something? If this wasn't the case then people with current ps3's wouldn't have BC when the 40gb comes...uh no.

[SKUD]

JOYSTIQ.COM BLOWS.

[Vojkan]

Claps for this site.It was wrong and senseless decision, end of discussion

[power of Green]

Seem to be one of the more honest Sony boys.

This BC issue will make "some" people angry this was one of Sony's major selling points and one of the ultimate reasons to invest in this product line.

Many were probably sold on this fact and are/were waiting for the price to drop to play new PS3 and old PS2 games, PS2 games many have probably spent hundreds to thousands dollars on.

It also hurts Sony's cred they talked alote of sh*t about MSFT then they turn around and try to earn back their last generation's base lacking one of the main factors people love the PS brand for.

[gamehendge]

"Many were probably sold on this fact and are/were waiting for the price to drop to play new PS3 and old PS2 games, PS2 games many have probably spent hundreds to thousands dollars on."

Are all your arguments speculative hearsay and devoid of any facts? If you want to play PS2 games, keep your PS2 or get the 60gig. If you like shipping broken consoles to the manufacturer, get a 360.

[power of Green]

Most my comments are based of off common sense or opinion based from facts.

Examples:

* Sony Boast the importance of BC and has critized its competition for their lack luster effort despite all the hits being able to be play on the new Xbox.

* Many people I have come across or known champion the feature of BC.

* Reading peoples comments on the inter net suggest BC is is very important.

* The inter net is a buzz, some fans even rabid.

* Many will care many will not thats not speculative.

Matter of fact none of the above is speculative its been seen and heard by many people.

Whats not speculative:

1. People will be turned off due to the fact its been proven people live this BC sh*t.

2. Sony boasted BC as a selling point now they have no choice but to remove it(must be hurting bad it does not cost much although it will add up)

You must be pretty offended to say Sony was boasting BC as a selling point is speculative, you must be hurting to say many people do care about BC is speculative.

You are offended by my opinion based from facts to say people will and will not care about the BC loss to say thats speculative.

[xg-ei8ht]

Don't the stupid ppl here get it, sony really wants you to buy the 80gb, with bc.

The 40gb is for newer customers who don't care about ps1,ps2 games.

The 80gb has all and is getting cheaper, as is the 60gb.

And damm by christmas, xbox360 is gonna start dying, Power of green jump ship now dammit, your sinking.

[wageslave]

The reason to have backwards capability?

To offer a nod to customer loyalty. To say, "Hey, you can just keep gaming with us, your old library will have value -- you can play it here".

This is a terrible move on Sony's part IMHO. If a PS2 owner *wont* have his library play-able in his new PS3, he has to keep his PS2 in the entertainment room.

Now that he has to have two consoles -- why not get a Xbox 360? He'll then have *ACCESS TO THE ORIGINAL XBOX LIBRARY* without having to buy the ORIGINAL XBOX.

He ends up with Two Consoles for the price of one when he buys the Xbox 360.

Further, the PS3 is still more money (when Sony should be trying to get below the Xbox 360 price to match the Xbox 360 overall value offering).

This move is an act of shear terror and desperation at Sony. They see this slipping away, and are making desperate last ditch efforts to get some PS3 consoles sold.

Why? So that they can keep 3rd parties shipping titles. The 3rd parties are going multi-platform, cancelling projects and pushing back others. They cannot ship big budget AAA titles on such a tiny install base unless they want to loose money.

If they want to make money, they have access to the Xbox 360 customer.

The Xbox 360 attach rate is nearly 5.8 Games per year so far, the PS3 is 3, and the Wii is 2.8 Xbox 360 is the vidoe-game player's platform. Wii is a gimmick IMHO and wont last after the grandmas' get tired of bowling and put it in the closet. And, the PS3 is way behind in winning the kind of Gamers that the Xbox 360 is already satisfying by leaps and bounds.

Xbox owners are driving the console game industry. The Xbox 360 just had the largest event in the history of gaming with the release of Halo 3 - dont you think 3rd parties want access to that kind of customer?

Sony is trying desperately to get its price down just to become a reasonably affordable decision -- people are just NOT going to choose it based on price, even at a price lower than Xbox 360, this new BC-less PS3 is less attractive value proposition.

But Sony isnt going to solve its problems by dropping Backwards Comp., it only makes it even more likely that a person will choose the Xbox 360.

[Spike47]

if you buy a ps3, you're buying it to play next gen games, not god of war 2 and beat it for the fith time.

seriously, who wants to play ps2 games on their ps3 when they can buy drake's fortune, foklore,ratchet and clank 5, ut3,haze.

would you buy the sims castaway on the ps2 rather than any of these games?
if you have ps2 games, then you have a ps2, therefore if u wanna play ps2 games play them on the ps2.

If you're willing to dop you're hard earned money on a ps3, tell me why the fuk you wanna play last gen games on it?

listen, this is just another lame reason to bash sony's price drop, it's stupid, and that is because it's biased.

[Spike47]

If I were Kaz, I would do the same.

if you wanna play you're ps2 games on the ps3, then don't get a ps3.

enough said.

[wangdiddy82]

Freaking people always complain about everything.. Are you honestly going to play ur ps2 games on your ps3 that much? And if you buy a ps3 you probably still have your ps2 so whats the big deal? How many people still play there ps1 games or ps2 games and have a ps3? I know i dont and all my friends dont..

[wageslave]

You'll have to play your PS2 games on your PS2.

But you'll now get to play original Xbox games on your Xbox 360. You get access to all those games on the Xbox that you couldnt play on the PS2 that will still have to sit in your living room.

This is going to explode in Sony's face, just like this article is saying.

[doomsonyman]

Spike47 people want backwards combatibility because some of us don't have an extra output unit like a vcr to hook up there old console too. luckely i have one so i have both my ps2 hooked up to the vcr and ps3 hooked up to the tv. and thats why backwards combatibility is so importent. you don't want to switch from console to console every time you want to play a ps3 or pa2 game do you?? i didn't think so, no one want to go through all that work to play there old games like the 360

[segasage]

Gamers that currently have the Ps2 and probably no HDTV were waiting for a cheaper PS3, well sony gave them just that now they can even play their 40+ game library.

The longer you wait to get a PS3 the longer you continue to buy and support the PS2 titles. Now you have waited for a40 gig SKU, now your out of luck.

if you gonna introduce a new SKU, at least one of the main functions should not be taken away. Those that do not play PS2 games anymore, well thats fine but you don't speak for the majority. ps3 is at what..4 million with over 100 million ps2 gamers will playing ps2 games.

[SKUD]

People are just cheap bastards and beggars can't be choosers.

[OatLoops]

"Update: With some help from Engadget Japan's Ittousai, we have found diagrams indicating the switch from Emotion Engine + Graphic Synthesizer chip to just a graphics synthesizer chip, implying the software emulation was partially hardware-supported (as noted by many commenters). If that's the case, then, the ability to download emulation software later may not be possible. We don't want to spread misinformation, so for further clarification we have contacted Sony for a definitive answer.

Regardless, the loss of backwards compatibility marks a paradigm shift in the PlayStation branding. If you buy a PS3, your connection to the previous generation - one that saw Sony reign mightily in the realm of console gaming - is severed. Does the cost of branding outweigh the financial benefit of losing a graphics chip? "

[WAR_MACHINE77]

what your saying is in someways true but the fact that the 60 gig will still have BC and for only 50 more. The people will just have to decide for themselves what they want more, to play PS2 games or save a little.

[OatLoops]

But that whole post was from Joystiq, I'll put it all in quotes. Good news is, with the way people are complaining, I think they'll find some way to work around this. Bad news is, people will just find something else to complain about!

[Spike47]

Why would you want to play ps2 games if you buy a ps3. why would you buy a ps3 to play ps2 games?

I have a ps2 and a ps3.

I've never had the time to play my ps2 games with games like warhawk keeping me busy.

[mightydog01]

For get it your wasting your time trying to play down price drop.....for 60gig and bargin 40gig ps3 entry level its good news for ps2 owners and 360 owner who want to jump over. No matter how you spin it...ps3 will sell like hot cakes....good time to be ps3 owner....With great games this xmas and 2008 coming out...

[Primetimebt]

No matter what you do they're still gonna whine. The only real fact is if the person buys XBOX they still can't play there Ps2 games on it, so does it really matter for the xbox owner? The Ps2 owner have the "choices to make" Play B3yond, or Play B3hind? 40 or 80 gb? Save $100 or spend $100 more? In the mean time the xbot fanboy can watch my XBOX take the dump http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[TheExodus]

So anyone who has a negative comment about the PS3 is a "360 troll?" There are roughly 11.5 million 360 owners worldwide vs. 110 million PS2 owners. Given those numbers I'd say the negative comments regarding PS3 are 10 times more likely to be coming from disgruntled PS2 owners who happen to be unimpressed with the direction Sony has headed with the PS3.

Yes, it was too expensive at launch regardless of how many non-gaming features were packed in & at $399 it's prospects are even worse because now not only is it still too expensive, but it's been crippled to such a degree that it will be 12 shades of useless to the 105 million PS2 owners who have yet to upgrade.

With BC the PS3 was THE upgrade path for PS2 owners, but now all bets are off because Sony is forcing everyone to reevaluate the competition. Not such a wise decision given that the PS3 will be the most expensive option throughout this console cycle.

[Primetimebt]

<<I'd say the negative comments regarding PS3 are 10 times more likely to be coming from disgruntled PS2 owners who happen to be unimpressed with the direction Sony has headed with the PS3>>

If they're whining than most likely they want a PS3 and don't care about BC because they have a PS2.

<<Yes, it was too expensive at launch regardless of how many non-gaming features were packed in & at $399 it's prospects are even worse because now not only is it still too expensive, but it's been crippled to such a degree that it will be 12 shades of useless to the 105 million PS2 owners who have yet to upgrade. >>

People wanted it cheaper and Sony delivered and in your so called million PS2 ownera already have a PS2 so why do they really care. The fact is if you want a BC you can spend another $100 for higher model. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy the 40Gb again it's hold on to your PS2 and save $100 or spend $100 and upgrade to higher model. In a another couple months is PS2 gaming on the PS3 really going to matter?

<<With BC the PS3 was THE upgrade path for PS2 owners, but now all bets are off because Sony is forcing everyone to reevaluate the competition. Not such a wise decision given that the PS3 will be the most expensive option throughout this console cycle. >>

What facts do you have that says every current PS3 owner got rid of there PS2?

[wageslave]

The ties to those 100-odd million was Sony's "ace in the hole", it was a nod to customer loyalty. And Sony just flushed it.

Another interesting perspective (that I mentioned above) is that now Xbox 360 adopters -- who were former Sony customers -- will have access to all the original Xbox titles.

You know, all those great games that you couldnt play on your PS2... I am NOT trying to start a Xbox vs. PS2 library argument; it just goes without saying that if you buy a Xbox 360 and didnt own an Xbox, you'll now get all kinds of new (and used/cheap) games to pickup from the Xbox catalogue.

This is exactly what SONY shouldnt have done. But why did they do it? Because they needed desperately to move some units, and they _really_ cant afford to loose as much on each PS3 as they are, so they started ripping out the guts to save cash.

Not the kind of thing a confident and calm company would do IMHO.

I just occured to me; if you are one of the PS2 owners, who were thinking about buying a PS3; think twice now. Wonder why so many millions of millions of gamers loved Halo? and Halo 2? If you buy a Xbox 360 - you can pickup a used copy of Halo and Halo 2 to find out.... I promise, you'll know why people love Halo 3, and you'll love it too.

Think about it.

[power of Green]

Don't make find all the statments on the issue from Sony and in past BC thread from this site and many more. I'll even look for polls.

[jackdoe]

As long as Sony lets the consumer know that there isn't any PS2 BC I'm fine with it. I've already got a 60gb PS3 but I hate ad campaigns that deceive the consumer. Halo 3 "believe" ads, I'm looking at you.

[Charlie2688]

Its official people don't know what they want

people want cheaper PS3s and more PS3 games but are not willing to deal with what it takes to do it

I guess people want magically for manufacturing costs to go down in such a short time

Sirisouly do people want PS3s or very expensive PS2s? and I don't recall your existing PS2 exploding if you buy a 40GB PS3 and if its SO important you can always save up for the 60GB

[chino3xl]

Who care bout the backward comp, i mean all you do is keep your ps2 if you wanna play the damn games , i got the 60 and im not gonna go from 1080p to a standard 480p. People complain bout the dumbest ish but i guess you cant please them all. The ps3 went from 600 to 400 and people still complaining and to me if you want the ps3 buy it but if you dont then K.I.M(keep it moving)

[demolitionX]

I wonder do u own a PS3???? why r u so concerned for BC? I won't dney it, i would prefer a PS with a BC.

[Bathyj]

I'm still not buying it but even if its true, BC is still there for people who want to pay for it. We've lost nothing

No ones complaining about dropping 2 USB ports or the card readers that hardly get used. I admitt I dont really like the idea of no BC but mainly because it gives the bots a reason to whinge even about a big price drop.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

I like to have a definitive console. I've been on both bandwagons, I'm been on the PS3 bandwagon and there's a lot of things to worry about.

So I've jumped on the XBOX 360 bandwagon. But then I start to worry also. Because honest to god, once you get passed Halo 3, the future doesn't look all that good for XBOX 360. It just doesn't.

When I jump on the 360 bandwagon I have some fears about the future, What killer games to have to look foward to? GTA IV is multi, but I do get some exclusive Episodes. There's Gears of War 2 in the future, and Mass Effect is this yeah pretty sweet. Bioshock 2?

Then I look at the PS3 side, there's potential there. MGS4, FFXIII, Killzone 2, FFXIII Versus, new Rockstar Exclusive could be someone great for all I know if they have enough money to try to beat GTA. Rumored FFVII remake which I think is gonna happen eventually. And then there's the fear that the development focus will switch more to PS3 in 2009 and beyond if it's really more advanced.

But then back to the PS3, Rockstar new IP could be crap for all I know and even rumors of FFXIII going multi platform. And at the moment, most third party games are a little better on XBOX 360 because 360 is the lead platform. So I have no idea what's the best console this gen. I keep trying to find the definitive consoles and I just can't. So I'm very bitter and unhappy with this gen.

[jaja1434]

Well with the PS3 you do have your MGS and FF13, though I'm not personally a fan of MGS if you are then there you have 2 somewhat safe titles. As for KZ2, well, this is not to bash it since I'm sure that it will be a good game, but its...another shooter. And between the 360/PS3 I'm just sick of shooters.

So umm I really have no advice. 360 has, as I sure you know, Mass Effect GoW2 and various other titles in 08 that for one reason or another have gotten little talk.

And the PS3 has the ones I mentioned plus whatever else is coming, sorry I haven't really looked into its 08 lineup, but I'm positive it has some great games.

Now personally speaking, I would choose the 360 because of Soul Calibur 4 online play. And I just like Live better. But as I said thats a personal preference.

[wageslave]

...funny, Ive seen you post that exact comment before...

[ApocalypseShadow]

for the sony fans in europe that are complaining that the cheaper version doesn't have BC:

sell something.get a JOB(JAY-O-BEE).if you can't afford the 60gig,you can't afford next gen gaming.if you are complaining about the 40gig,hey,it sucks to be you that didn't save your money before hand to get the 60gig.get a job.get a bigger allowance from your parents.get SOMETHING.....

HITECH ELECTRONICS IS NOT FREE!!!

to the 360fanboys(haters) that are complaining,we EXPECTED you to complain ANYWAY.

you complained about hdmi,wifi,bluray,card readers,etc.,not being NECESSARY.

you complained about sony not having a GRIP of GAMES for you to play to equal the amount that microsoft had when it....JUST CAME OUT.

you complained about PSN not being at the same level as xbox live because sony has been working on it.

you complained about no rumble.

you complained about E3 2005 target renders for "GAMEPLAY" not being achieveable.

you complained about the price of the system.

it never ends on the amount of nitpicking and complaining on something you 360 fanboys were never going to get.sony has fixed mostly all these issues,made possible the gameplay target renders of E3,but you still act like idiots.

but all your complaining will not stop sony from moving systems out the door.the 40gig will sell.the 60gig will sell.somehow brains are not being used.you seem to forget that the core system on 360 DIDN'T PLAY XBOX GAMES WITHOUT A DOWNLOAD.

do you think that sony can't offer a download later if they wanted to?it's not that hard to do?but this move is to get you to BUY 60GIG SYSTEMS.it's plain as day.they want you europeans to clear out the 60gig units.

they gave away a movie
they gave away more movies
they gave away 2 games and a controller and movies

BUY THE FREAKIN 60GIGS SO THAT A PS2 EMULATOR CAN BE RELEASED ALREADY.WHAT DOES SONY NEED TO DO TO GET YOU BUY THEM(60gig)?

sony europe said fine.you want a cheaper system.here it is.but you get no BC.you got to earn it.they don't want to lose any more money than is necessary.you want BC,then PAY UP and get the 60gig.

the most reliable next gen system,most feature rich system,and each SKU gets a new low price,and gamers are still COMPLAINING.....GO BUY A GAMEBOY ADVANCE.AT LEAST IT PLAYS OLD GAMEBOY GAMES.

mag lev...................

[wageslave]

If what you are saying is true (and, I agree with some of it). Then why arent people buying the PS3?

The problem isnt just the price.

People _do_ know Sony's reputation and history with proprietary media formats, and Sony's crazy anti-customer DRM and fighting fair-use.

There are problems with Playstation Network, with the games library is lack-luster, 3rd parties struggling with development and their support is dwindling, the thing is big and ugly (sorry, its true).

Now, this kind of information is really only the realm of the Game Fanboys (all of us, regardless of our bias are more informed than the average buyer).

But, the overall problem isnt just price. Sony will _never_ (for the life of this generation) be less than an Xbox 360. Its not going to happen. MS will maintain the current industry price structure (i'd argue that MS will try to move the arcade closer to Wii sometime in 08, but Nintendo will go lower yet...)

My single line summation of Sony's issues? That they allowed Sony Music and Sony Movie studios to push Blue-ray onto the PS3 for their benefit, not for the benefit of a gaming customer who_does_not_need_it.

And a lot of people _do_ know how Sony is with formats, interoperability and how they loathe fair use rights. More people know about that than know about CPUs and GPUs in consoles.

Sony bet the playstation on Blueray, and its going to screw them.

[Death]

You must have a very big hand. Here's the list of Xbox 360 B/C games. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/g...

Keep in mind the games look nicer too since the 360 is able to upscale many games quite a bit.

-Death

[xg-ei8ht]

Death you seem to forget thats all the xbox360 does is upscale.

Even in its new games, muaahahhahahahahaha

LMFAO

[DRE1970]

360 IS NOT

[cr33ping_death]

so why are some MS fanboys in here complaining about BC...? when i remember reading posts that stated " i dont want to play old games on my 360, i only want next gen games" so why should it matter if the PS3 only does this current gen games? we have to face facts that no matter what SONY does to make the PS3 more available to the masses.....people will always turn the good into something negative.

[sumfood4u]

Believe It!

[Ignorant Fanboy]

Thats the best game I have for my PS3, would be a shame not to be able to play it.

[JokesOnYou]

Well I'm not the nostalgic type, I've played two xbox games on my 360 and that was just for comparison purposes, if I wanted to play xbox games I would keep my xbox and play them, I think most people would do the same, even though BC is more convenient its still a bonus feature and not something that sells a next gen console= Now the funny thing is that BC was sony and sonykids BIG criticism of 360, remember Peter Moore saying something about owners not caring about BC(yes it was stupid comment) but truth is its not that important to most and almost all of the popular titles are BC anyway, the point is this was something sony touted, to bash 360 with, its still available for those who want it, but given sonys past statements about how important it is for the ps brand its unfortunate that they needed to go this route to offer a cheaper sku,

and lets not even talk about how much sonykids have laughed at micro for releasing different sku's with claims like "it seems like micro isnt sure of what they want to do", "too many sku's", "this is confusing for the consumer", "the elite wont sell"= I still dont understand how having several choices/options can be a bad thing, (yeah if you had a bunch of sku's with slight differences it can be confusing, but just a few different sku's can easily be destinguished)this gives those who want a cheap entry level ps3 and dont care for bc etc a cheaper OPTION= ahh NOW sonykids understand thats a good thing.=

JOY

[rushbd]

I WONT BUY PS3!!!! BECAUSE I CANT PLAY PS2 GAMES ON IT!!!!!!!! :CRYS:

Yes. take a step back and just try to understand why this statement is stupid. I never played a single PSone game on my PS2. And i never played a SINGle PS2 game on my PS3.

If u want to moan so much , get a room and a girl or some porns. stupid idiots.

[achira]

imo only the xbots complain about no bc. but why should they, they have a xbox360? so its not your problem you morons. i thought you are sutisfied with your rodd box ? sony dismissed the bc, because you can now buy a nice ps3 for 399 to play ps3 games! thats the point. if you want bc, buy the 60bg model for 50$ more. thats all, very easy.

[Funky Town_TX]

I look to upgrade every 4 years. My attention span is limited. I don't own any Ps3 game so I don't care either. When the pS4 drops I wont care about PS3 games either. Said for the 360 when the 720 drops screw the 360 games.

[caffman]

not so long ago it was "we can play any PS1 and PS2 games! You can only play 300 xbox games on a 360! WE ARE THE BEST!!!!"
Please make your bloody mind up!

[ActionBastard]

Each division of SCE works independent of the other. While this may be what is available in Australia and Europe, it doesn't mean this is what Japan or the US will get. I think here in the States, we'll see the same model. Sure, it's convenient to play PS2 games on my PS3, but I play more PS3 games on it than my PS2 games. That's not saying I don't enjoy having the ability to play SOTC or Okami or MGS3, but I still have my PS2. I can if I want to. This is just spin b/c it's Sony and they "can't get anything right". It is a business decision, not some plot to screw gamers over. Reduced emphasis on the feature is the culprit. If I didn't have a PS3 and could buy one for $399, that's a no-brainer. Regardless of the price of a Wii or 360, if a person wants a PS3, $399 with no BC is a great value. Sony won't win this holiday, but you better believe they are going to move a $hit ton of units. Lack of BC is simply being spun.