Bioware, EA, and Dragon Age II have met with a lot of scandal over the past week, from accusations of SecuROM, to forum banning, and now to a Bioware employee supposedly inflating the user scores for the game on metacritic.
Oh, wow... The only way they can get a great review is to have a staff member review it? Do we know if he did it on his own or was paid by EA/Bioware to do it?
Sadly the game is actually great and people are judging the whole game on the demo which even i didn't like much.
I still haven't tried the demo. Regardless of how bad it might be or the deal with SecuROM, I do plan on getting the game at some point. But it's not going to be a PC purchase. I'm going to get it for the same system I got Dragon Age: Origins on.
"Sadly the game is actually great and people are judging the whole game on the demo which even i didn't like much." Sup Bioware.
I finished the game - Played every side quest.. Right around 68hrs. (I took my time and looked around.. trying to pull every little piece of positive aspect out of it.. I wanted to like it.) Sadly, The game is a half backed RPG and deserved a 7.5 out of 10 at best standing on its own. Most folks (including myself) view it in light of Dragon age Origin with pushes the 7.5 down to 6.5. (Most folks who follow the DA world and hung on Bioware’s every word associated with this project was asked to do just that!) Let me be clear. I love Bioware - I was compelled to platinum Dragon Age Origin - I was compelled to platinum Mass Effect 2 (played it through 3 times) Unfortunately, DA 2 comes across as a washed down rush job that looks like it took every bit of a year and a few months to put together…..
Many people are judging it on the actual finished product. Imo, it's a mediocre RPG at best, not a 9/10. End of line
Whats a demo for? If Bioware/EA made a bad demo for a good game they deserve all the lost sales they get.
Too many false positives/negatives.
da2 is freaking awful an this is coming from a person WHO LOVED DA1, such a downgrade man.
"Conspiracy Theory" is thrown around a lot, but few people realize that a theory is basically an assumption based upon facts.
Well isn't that the idea of the demo, to give people a playable advertisement? It seems to be a common thing with EA demos lately letting people down then fans coming out saying the full game is much better. That's on EA to make the demo accurately represent the demo in a way which makes the game appealing to potential buyers.
Like 'USER' reviews mean a thing on Metacritic. 90% of the people who review the extreme high or love reviews never even played the game. Some of the fan kids don't even own the system let alone the title they reviewed. So if a reviewer felt that way about his own game then so be it. It's his opinion on a website with anonymous users. Still can't wait to get around to playing DA2 Evil
This isn't really something new. When you have soft dev companies making apps, features or whatever, among first reviews there will ususally be fake ones written by the workers. It's common practice.
We're talking about an employee who offered his opinion of the game in the USER reviews. You know the user reviews, the section spammed by malcontents, 80% of which haven't even played the game? A place where useful, thoughtful reflection on the game itself is replaced by "0 out of 10! The worst 60 dollar pile of junk I've ever purchased. Cannot believe how bad the role playing is, and how meaningless the dialogue. Voice overs are pathetic, with no inspiration what so ever. This is a sequel? Hack and slash only, what a waste!" Wow. Thanks for that insightful review. This is much ado about nothing. If some Bioware employee opened up a website posing as a gaming mag and then put up a review, that's something. An employee offering his opinion in the user section - this is much ado about nothing. One employee review isn't going to suddenly boost the overall score from the 4.2 or wherever the hell it is right now.
I completely agree, I'm loving the game.
Nothing wrong with being proud of a product you worked on.
It's an actually prohibited practice in America, for one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
I agree. But writing a review for the very game you worked on is going to be a biased move. Of course, you're going to give it a great score and review.
LOL, oh Bioware. As if making a shorter game, filled with cutscenes and scarred with a more tedious combat system weren't enough. You had to take it to the next level; censor criticism, add SecuROM, and now.... ....break business ethic laws! Achievement Unlocked: Reach New Low. -100000 points. @Panda "Well, Bioware is a Canadian company. Different set of rules?" It's an American owned company; they probably have to answer to American ethic codes or else EA could be charged. ....wait a minute...who care? They're trying to spread BS by pretending to be a customer. Who cares if it's legal or not? They're being dishonest.
@ Neckbear I did not know about that. Thanks for the link/info.
@Neckbear Well, Bioware is a Canadian company. Different set of rules?
@Pandamobile The point coming across is that it's shady.
@Everybody Not much worse than the average N4G fanboy rating console exclusives as either flawless 10 games, or horrible 0.1 pieces of crap.
That depends. Is the N4G fanboy an employee of a development company?
@Biggest Probably not, but it still doesn't change the fact that user reviews on metacritic are almost always biased and useless. If you want a credible review of a game, go to a professional gaming website.
Makes me where else employees might have reviewed their own game COD maybe lol
Sadly most companies employ people to go on those sites and on forums to post positive comments about their products. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo all do it.
Don't need to do this though the only reason its getting bad scores is the PC version isn't as good as the second game was made with all 3 systems in mind rather than consoles being an after thought. So PC gamers are hitting out at DA2 and it's a shame as it's just as good as the first and the fact its a little different I like as it doesn't feel like an expansion like every shooter released each year.
Just checked the metacritic user reviews.It seems that the users who are giving it 10/10 have got only one review and that is of DA2.Check out on metacritic.Out of 10 positive reviews,DA2 is the 1st review for 9 reviewers.Too much to be a coincidence.
That's interesting info, but i dont think anyone pays attention to the user reviews, do they? in the past its been proven that fans of certain consoles will intentionally down rate a game just because its an exclusive on the 'opposing' console. I think this has happened with both ps3 and 360 games. Similar to perfectly good games getting rated down on amazon due to DRM.
You should probably get it on PC since the console scores are actually bringing the game down, they are alot better than the first dragon age on the console but the PC is still far superior to it.
this is nothing new. if companies have the same access to forums as the consumers what makes you think they wont use it to give their products good reviews? peep game folks
It was an engineer, not a developer or a publisher. Overblown news as usual.
I don't see anything wrong with this he is probably upset that people are saying bad things about a game he was involved in making and wanted to try to get people to give it a chance. The game isn't that bad everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon of hate even though they have only played the demo.
I can understand if he felt that way. But I think what hurts this theory is all the news going on around about the game. Good intentions or not, this was a bad way to try to make people want to give the game a try. He could just as easily posted comments on some of the more popular reviews out there. My thoughts anyway.
I have been playing the game and haven't been terribly impressed so far, but haven't played enough to form a full opinion. Still, he should have disclosed who he was.
yeah, it's a USER REVIEW. anyone can put those up..... it wasnt the first and surely won't be the last done by someone with direct interest in a game's success.... this dumbass just got caught....almost seems like he tried to get caught though, like he's not really affiliated with EA Bioware and someone's trying to sabotage them..... Who cares though? Dragon Age 2 will still go multiplatinum, even if it was worse than it actually is, which in my opinion, so far it's pretty good, not the greatest of Bioware's work, but better than most games out there. people do this stuff all the time....hell, there's people on N4G that make separate accounts so they can agree with themselves, bubble themselves up, and approve their own stories.....these types of systems are very easily manipulated......think about it....if someone wanted their story to hit 1000 degrees, they could have themselves and a few friends create multiple accounts, and hit the hell out of a story....voila! your story is at the top of N4G!!!
Might not be to try and sabotage Biowarre, EA said in an article earlier to day that contriversy is helpful to games, and a lot of the time it works. Example, Yakuza 3, despite how good it was, probably wouldn't have sold half as many copies if not for the cut content fiasco.
We did give it a chance when we played the demo. Devs need to make better demos.
i bet a lot of companies do this at sites like amazon i know they do it for books that are sold there so wouldnt shock me if companies did it with games as well.
50% of n4g posts are made by marketing companies/employees etc.
did you know that 72.35% of all statistics are made up on the spot ?
"69% of replies to my comments aren't funny or accurate." -Jack Burt0n, N4G Official Quote.
Yeah, I have known people who have worked for ad or PR companies that part of their job is to write user reviews. I know one company recently got in big trouble for having their employees write reviews for their products in the Ap store, and then they got found out. Of course the company claimed that the employees had written the reviews on their own time and out of their own volition, but it still caused quite a stir.
Bioware is really looking crazy lol.
who really cares. just the internet making a mountain out of a molehill again
You have to admit it is a little sad. If the user score is low deal with it.
I would be pretty annoyed when a lot of people are acting like babies over some changes.
@Panda - What is funny is that DA2 is basically mass effect 2 with a high fantasy setting. ME2 is hailed as a masterpiece and DA2 is being called crap. I completely understand the changes bioware made based on how ME2 was received. I dont understand the user reaction at all.
@saumer It stems from the fact that most PC gamer elitists are childish babies, and ME was already light on the RPG so it was less of a surprise when ME2 came out. As much as people complain about sequels, that is all most people want, exact carbon copies of the game they fell in love with. I'm 12 hours in on DA2 and yeah it's not Origins but its still fun and honestly Nightmare is twice as hard on DA2 as it was on Origins which I think scares a lot of PC gamers as well because they actually have to use tactics and not just have a perfectly min/maxed party.
Who cares im sure he's not the first person to ever do that before. I guess theirs not anything else to report on n4g tonight.
I don't pay attention to the user ratings on meta' since a buncha XBox brigadiers destroyed LBP before it was even released and PS3 peeps returned the favor on ODST or something. Total zoo. Meta' itself is kinda weird, suddenly dropping and replacing well known sites like the Examiner for google.translate blogs I've never heard of before. Their letter grade convergence scale sucks too. How does a C+ translate to a 58/100? Is Gamerankings any better?
C plus is above average....and, well; since 50% is considered an average game, 58% is about right for a c plus.... alot of people seem to forget, that when a game is reviewed as a 6/10, that the reviewer is calling it "above average". And for that matter, when I see people getting pissed at an 8/10 or a 9/10, they don't realize that the reviewer is basically stating that the game is "near perfect", save for a few flaws.
8/10 is above average for most review sites. Gameinformer score rating from Wikipedia: A score of 1 is considered worse than terrible; 10 is a rare, "outstanding", nearly perfect game; and 7 is "average", a decently playable (but flawed) game.
somebody has been caught....astroturfing
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Everybody who says it's no big deal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... "Astroturfing is a form of propaganda whose techniques usually consist of a few people attempting to give the impression that mass numbers of enthusiasts advocate some specific cause. In the UK this technique is better known as "rent-a-crowd" after the successful "rent-a-crate" business." If the guy had been honest about being a Bioware employee, there would be no problem here. It can be illegal and they could get in trouble for this. I'm not sure if the way he did it was illegal or not, but at the very least it's going to be a PR nightmare for them (along with all their other crap).
Hm...I guess your not aloud to brag about a game you helped make. Funny.
Like I commented to Beefstew4u's comment, there isn't anything wrong with bragging about a game you worked on. I just feel that writing a review for said game is going to be a biased piece of work.
I never read your comment, but ok.
this only adds to my very solid theory that the people at bioware are incompetent.
When Mass Effect 3 comes out all will be forgotten ¬¬
..Bioware (are you listening): Please don’t let this happen to ME3. Delay it, do what every you have to do. Just deliver a quality product: Great Acting, Great Story, Compelling character ..that force the player to genuinely care, Worlds and NPCs that are alive and vibrant. You can do it Bioware… You have in the past..you can do it again!
Good points but the main thing I want in ME3 is the over heating system on the weapons again instead of thermal clips. I mean wtf you use the cool down weapons then just switch to using some sort of ammo and this is in the future aswell, trying to make it like all other shooters out there. I liked the cool down time on weapons, it meant you spent more time planning your battles with biotics then worrying about finding ammo and rushing in guns blazing.
That sounds interesting. I never got to play ME1 (Overdosed on the ME wiki site to catch myself up).
@DC: Seriously though, you should play it.... IMHO it's better than ME2.... I was skeptic and thought it'd be a "watered down" KoToR, but the story is better than ME2's "all character driven" story.... You can pick it up really cheap on ebay......like ten bucks or less.
I'm going to take you up on that and pick it up for the PC. It will get me by until ME3 comes out.
"Delay it, do what every you have to do." Their EA overlords would never allow such a thing.
Mass Effect is developed by a different Bioware studio. Thing I hope about Mass Effect 3 is that the world feels a bit less static and fake, and that the graphics are improved a bit.
"When Mass Effect 3 comes out all will be forgotten ¬¬" LOL not if their current track record for the PS3 has anything to say about that... ME3 will be the same disappointing failure as all of their other PS3 releases.