NGP Chips Won't Rival PS3 Performance

At a Game Developers Conference session, Sony has moved to dispel the myth that its Next Generation Portable could rival PS3 for processor performance.

[Galvanise_]

They never said it would rival PS3 performance. They did however remark that games will look quite close to PS3 games visually.

[CrazyForGames]

that didn't stop people from mindlessly believing it would

hell i bet this still wont stop people from believe it

[trounbyfire]

no we believed that the chips being powerful plus the 5 inch screen means that it is the most powerful hand held and it can use lighting and AA like consoles.

this makes it the closes to the home console graphics and it looks damn good

[Iroquois_Pliskin]

!!! it no match the CELLZZZZ!?!?! RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!

[evrfighter]

No I'm pretty sure I saw a mess of "imagine when so and so gets ported to ngp".

The fanboys here believed it.

[ABizzel1]

Hmmm. From this I gathered a few things.

1) The processor will be locked at 1GHz, until halfway through the handhelds life cycle, then they'll let the full 2GHz run, after they improve the handheld to be more energy efficient like they did with the PSP.

2) The NGP most likely has 256MB or 512MB of RAM. They said they were closer to the PS3 than the PSP in terms of memory. The PSP had 64MB, the PS3 has 512MB. The next step up from the PSP would be 128MB, so logically if they're closer to the PS3 then it would be 256MB. I think it's 512MB since 256MB is still closer to 64MB than 512MB is.

3) I was spot on about how big the game cards were going to be. 2GB, 4GB, and later on we may get 8GB and 16GB.

Overall it's still impressive, just not quite what we thought.

[StbI990]

Um I don't know, this thing is set to last around 5 to even more years of lifespan, wouldn't it be obvious to get a mere 1GB of ram for the years to come? it is not like ram is that expensive now a day.

[Bereaver]

@evrfighter

All the ps3 games can be ported to the NGP, and that has nothing to do with the NGP being just as powerful as the PS3.

The resolution won't be near the same which will drastically reduce workload.

[Sarcasm]

Yeah the amount of ignorance and fud spread across the internet is mesmerizing. They said it will have PS3-like quality graphics, NOT PS3 graphics itself.

Oh well, this is an exciting year for tech. NGP, iPad 2, MotoXoom, AMD Fusion APUs, Intel Sandy Bridge and soon Ivy Bridge, Nintendo 3DS, Dual GPU card from AMD and Nvidia, and more.

[kaveti6616]

"They said it will have PS3-like quality graphics, NOT PS3 graphics itself."

Well, when you put it that way, it makes perfect sense... /s

[Balt]

Nothing on a handheld can compete with a big screen production. I dont want to play the next big god of war on a screen the size of my galaxy s. No thanks. Hand held gaming sucks.

[Nitrowolf2]

I wouldn't go as far to say it "sucks" but i do agree with you. Love handheld gaming and all, but for me i always get a better experience when i'm playing at home on the big screen with surround sound.

[Jio]

I wouldnt say it sucks. In fact, I play my handheld as much as my console and cant wait for the 3DS and NGP

[StbI990]

Some play their handheld even more than consoles, count me in.

Wouldn't even need nothing if i get that horny lil tech hot thing right thar

[MGRogue2017]

Take note: NGP Chips Won't Rival PS3 Performance

BUT.. It does have the potential to run as fast as the PlayStation 3. Only the battery life is holding the NGP back.. & because it can potentially overheat & set fire to your pants if it's indeed set to run as fast as the PS3.

I think it'll probably match the Xbox 360 in terms of graphics at it's current specs & whatnot.

[Raider69]

PS3 fanboy trash comment!Go troll------------------------- ------------------------------ - -- I bet you think it can run Gears 3 at full right!?

[MGRogue2017]

Of course the PS3 can run Gears 3. It's a Unreal Engine 3 title. You've seen other UE3 games running on the PS3, right? Well there ya go.

It's no lie that the PS3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360. Everyone knows that.

Having said that, Gears 3 will never see the light of day on the PS3. Everyone also knows that. X360 Exclusive.

[joeorc]

@enkeixpress

100% agreement.

he was talking about from a design perspective because they cannot bleed the heat or the power requirement's in such a small space would be too great to run @ that speed an temp in a hand held currently.

the first PSP had a 333 Mhz processor lowered to
222 Mhz for the CPU an GPU chip to offset heat an power requirement's that the umd drive also hindered because of it's power requirement's. this is not really any different

I mean that would be each core running at 2 GHz that would not include what the Gpu on the chip would run @.

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Officially, Sony has said the NGP's visual quality approaches that of a PS3, which no mobile devices can match so far. Many of the technology demos shown at the Tokyo PlayStation event on Thursday were ports of PS3 in-game cutscenes or sequences, like Metal Gear Solid 4, that could run nearly as well as on the much larger TV game system.

Carmack has often been a bellwether for mobile gaming and usually given credit to Apple for being the performance leader. The Wolfenstein and Quake developer's experience in writing game code, especially graphics engines, has often led him to choose iOS over Android and other competing platforms when exploring handheld gaming. He has estimated that the iPad and iPhone 4 are faster than the Nintendo Wii and sometimes outperform the Xbox 360 despite theoretically being slower."

please read this again:

"He has estimated that the iPad and iPhone 4 are faster than the Nintendo Wii and sometimes outperform the Xbox 360 despite theoretically being slower."

Read more: http://www.electronista.com...

Sony's NGP is:

"To give you an idea of what that means, we are talking about that technically the PSP2/NGP is 16 times more powerful graphically based on clock-for-clock than the iPhone 4 and Ipad as Shader ALU performance is higher, but this power will always be plotted depending on the clockspeed that would have PSP2/NGP processor."

http://www.tastelessgamer.c...

SO IF ONCE AGAIN:

A:

IF: "He has estimated that the iPad and iPhone 4 are faster than the Nintendo Wii and sometimes outperform the Xbox 360 despite theoretically being slower."

THE Ipad can out perform even the xbox360 an the NGP is 16 time the capabilities of the IPad. what does that tell you?

HandHeld games systems are not the weakling's that many people here seem to think this is not the year 2000

quite a bit has changed

[one2thr]

Good shit!

[Raider69]

if it only had an 1.4hdmi out put to connect to my plasma!I can dream!

[Stealth20k]

maybe this will shut people up

[Raider69]

@Arup02

what outdated piece of plastic?Because i have a lot of pieces of plastic that run games(xbox 360,PS3,PSP..)and the only one that its really not outdated is my full spec PC!If you really think the PS3 is so much powerful than the xbox 360 e recommend your self a favor and go

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wik...

And read if you can!

[firetaw]

hey try to read it in French if you can.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wik...

thats if you can read.

this site is in English so post your links in English like so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

unless the information is unavailable in any other language

being Portuguese doesn't make you anymore intelligent then other people.

[dalibor]

It would have been a great feat had the NGP been able to go toe to toe with the PS3. Anything that small with PS3's visuals would be impressive.

[XI_-Minty-_IX]

Of course it's not gonna rival a PS3's performance. However, the major advantage it has is the resolution it has to display its games at. Since the games don't have to output at standard HD resolutions, more GPU and CPU power can be allotted towards in-game textures and qualities, which would give the illusion that it almost looks as good as a PS3 game.

[Bull5hifT]

Also the seperate 256mb and 256mb of ram of ps3 will be beat with the 1 gig there putting in this

[Masterchef2007]

They havent confirmed it yet. But my predictions is either 512MB or 1GB

[firetaw]

ps3 graphics on a 700x480 screen resolution. thats probably not the actual resolution but you have to remember your not playing off a 1080p screen which takes more processing power to produce images that size. so technicly the NGP will closer compared to an ipad2

[dkgshiz]

Duh, did anyone ever think it was going to?

[Bull5hifT]

Yeah The Tegra Chip had to be removed cause of power consumption and over heating

[joeorc]

yea it is one fast an heavy heated chip..An Tegra 3 is even going to be even more powerful.

I mean already the full windows 8 OS, not Windows CE this will be the full Windows OS is already running on Tegra 2! , um well in infancy code right now..lol but it will run in full when it's done.

there is even a cool lil Desk top PC ready for it when it get's released..lol

hehe..here is a pic an the spec's:

http://images.gizmag.com/ga...

the Trim slice's spec's

http://www.fit-pc.com/trims...

an it runs on just 3W,12V DC of power with that performance!

@Bull5hifT

"960x544 Resolution just a few shy of the iphones 4 Retina Display"

yea it is, but that would not mean that the NGP could not be capable of output to 1080p, that of course is upto Sony if they want the NGP to have mini HDMI out..which they may do it because many of the new smartphones are already being released with such a function already. though they may not do it for cost saving's..lol

[Bull5hifT]

960x544 Resolution just a few shy of the iphones 4 Retina Display.... But yeah hardly any game on the Ps3 ran in 1080p Natively... But GTA i mean GT5 on this will look great , im sorta excited about the COD 4: MW remake on it , that was the perfect Forula for Fun.. And 3G on the go, ill be busting Heads

[yugioh100]

"NGP Chips Won't Rival PS3 Performance"

wow really? lol only an idiot's believed that anyway.

[joeorc]

for people that are still in doubt:

example:

http://images.anandtech.com...

already

http://www.techjunoon.com/m...

xoom is running the Tegra 2, the first Tegra 3 devices are to ship in later this year an it will have 5 time's the performance of the Tegra 2, an have an output 2560x1600

to top it off:

with windows 8 supporting Arm add this in an you have a real change in the industry today:

“PROJECT DENVER” PROCESSOR TO USHER IN NEW ERA OF COMPUTING

http://blogs.nvidia.com/201...

another example:
Series6 PowerVR GPU Promises Up to 100x Boost

The British chip-maker this week announced a new set of mobile GPUs, the Series6 PowerVR series, codenamed Rogue, that it claims could rival the processing power of desktop GPUs in three years time.

Imagination Technologies told Pocket Gamer that thanks to a set of undisclosed innovations in the field, the new series of chips offers a speed increase over today's quad-core models by around “20-100 times the power,” yet consumes barely a milliwatt.

Imagination Technologies says it's already licensed the technology to others, and Pocket Gamer says longtime partner Texas Instruments is likely to be one of them.

http://www.tomshardware.com...

[joeorc]

the slides of 52 on development's on the NGP

http://www.joystiq.com/scre...

[Masterchef2007]

wow really good info. I wasnt aware that the NGP could do so much. Looks like it will be a day one buy to me

The power is in our hands with this device.

[MrBeatdown]

Hell, I would take current PSP graphics just as long as we get the dual analog sticks and touch screen. Improved graphics are really just icing on the cake for me.

[Masterchef2007]

"And it would probably set fire to your pants." LOL

But anyways it will still produce awesome visuals though

""analogue strength reading" would be achieved by detecting how large a surface area of the player's fingertips were pressed against the screen."

Ok theres a problem with this tech what about people with fat fingers?

[zero_cool]

This article is a massive steaming pile of melting diarrhea in hot summer heat!