Modern Warfare 3: New engine 'would be counter productive' - Infinity Ward

Developer says it still has "a great team" and it's "working on a great project"

[wwm0nkey]

And this is why Battlefield 3 just won.

[jizzyjones]

Bf3 will be superior regardless of whatever activision can come up with, but that wont stop people buying COD.

[wwm0nkey]

I don't know about that. I have seen a lot of hype build up around Battlefield 3 recently. A lot of people are talking about it and its spreading.

[Zir0]

Yeah COD will still dominate, the brand is just too strong now. Unless EA can do an ad campaign bigger than Activision they don't stand much of a chance converting the casual COD crowd.

And we haven't seen BF3 on consoles yet, it could look as bad as COD as it's clear they are focusing on the PC version.

[limewax]

The Nerve of these guys. They are the biggest selling franchise yet they cant afford to work on an engine or give dedicated servers. This is really low. Every other game company can do it but them apparently.

Cant see CoD being here next gen if they stick with that attitude

[claterz]

@limewax, why would they make a new engine though? Like you said they are already the owners of the best selling franchise, and they did that without making a new engine. As long as people continue to buy Call of Duty games, they won't change a thing, because they obviously don't need too.

[guigsy]

To me the Battlefield 3 trailer has the same wow factor as the first COD4 trailer did back in 2007.

[MostJadedGamer]

Actually all things eventually come to and end. I wouldn't at all be surprised if MW3 had a MASSIVE drop in sales

Casual fans can easily become bored, and leave the COD franchise in massive droves. Activision is playing a very dangerous game.

[DeadlyFire]

The backbone of CoD is Infinity Ward. It is gone. Game might still turn out okay, but it will always suffer for not having that team on board.

[sikbeta]

"Modern Warfare 3: New engine would be counter productive" = why spend money improving the game if teh CODz sell millions with loads of glitches and bugs and nobody seems to care about... XD

[hay]

Actually it's good marketing decision. They built the franchise, it's selling like a dream so they can reduce the budget for some titles, make them disappointing, they will still sell.
When customers will stop being happy with the sh!t they shove down their troats, they'll make better game and it'll be all over again.
Unless they fail the last step which will mean no more CoDs for few years.

I'm pretty sure Square did the same thing with FF13.

But this means they treat gamers as wallets. Nothing more.

[limewax]

lol what? I will admit square messed up with FFXIII, but they did at least build a whole new engine thats multi-platform in the process. So now if they do mnage to make a decent game it will still feel up to date. CoD engine has been rehashed way too often, especially consdiring the CoD4 engine wasnt exactly miles above their previous outing.

The CoD engine progresses slowly as it is, the amount of time its been left at standstill means they have a LOT of catching up to do when they build a new engine.

Its an eventual bullet in the foot, People will get bored of playing the same game one day. CoD is going to fall out of attention for too long, when it does come back it will have lost its momentum, and although a return of the franchise will get hype they then would need to live up to it. They need to start working on a new engine soon to future proof the franchise

[Inside_out]

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COD is the king of the hill until someone knocks them off. I know what COD is bringing to the table and Battlefield will need a major over haul if it wants to take that on. The problem with Battlefield is it's game play is antiquated. Nobody wants to fly around in a helo or drive a tank...not the 20+ million gamers on COD anyways.

I haven't seen anything from Battlefield that is new and wasn't there years ago. Going head to head with the explosive COD franchise will expose it's weakness. COD was made for today and the ADD gamer nation...just look at this...WoW...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Multi-player...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

EA and Dice can show all the high end PC game play they want...but eventually, they will have to show " real " game play and that's when it will get interesting. COD is a proven commodity selling tens of millions and logging BILLIONS of hours on-line and Battlefield, at this point, is nothing more than a copy cat right now. Even the trailers and cover art looks exactly like COD...O_o

The haters are so ignorant. Activision is milking the franchise???...then what the heck is EA and Dice doing. They are like chickens without a head. Battlefield 2 and MOH last year and here will are again with the same thing.

[jeseth]

"would be counterproductive"

That means it would be too expensive and they wouldn't be able to milk this franchise every year.

Why improve? The sheep will continue to flock no matter whether they actually improve the series or not.

[nickjkl]

if activision really cared and actually spent the money they get from sales they could of made one of the most spectacular looking games on both consoles

[ABizzel1]

That just goes to show, that IW's head people in charge and Activision are in it all for the money.

When you see someone up the ante, and you're supposedly the best you should be the first one step in and defend your crown.

BF3 from a technical standpoint, just crushed every COD game. I'm not saying they have to have a new engine, but they need to do something, and from what he says it seems like this will be another same old COD, with a slight twist. Whereas BF3 is evolving.

[Liefx]

Personally, I'll be buying both.

[ComboBreaker]

counter productive to the profits of Activision.

[snipes101]

I too like BF more than COD however, when I have a bunch of friends over we play COD because it has some features that BF just doesn't. It has split screen off line mp so four of us can crowd around the tv and talk shit and it allows for guests on live. Dice, for whatever stubborn reason, has not had any of these features on any of their BF games so they are not going to win over any of the casual college dorm room players who just want to shoot shit with their friends. Again, I prefer BF but I can only play that with friends over live.

[Pixelated_Army]

Counter productive to what, your bottom line? This just shows how incompetent Activision/IW/Treyarch/SH truly are. You're paying for the same old game and graphics over and over again. I'm going to pass on this mkay. ha-ha

[NeutralGamer]

Long story short:

They dont want to make a new engine because it take years...

Yes it takes years but for the love of god I would rather wait 2 years to play an all new COD with new engine, rather than played another dumbed down COD this year with reused engine...

[Dee_91]

lol
the respect I had for them just went into the negatives

[DaTruth]

COD is the McDonald's of gaming! Not really anything good, but millions buy it anyway!

[EVILDEAD360]

So let's keep it 100% real

Spending 2-3 years building a new engine from scratch..before you start on your new game that won't even matter because in 2-3 years we will ALL be talking about 3 new consoles

or

Spend all of your resources building upon the existing engine and create the best game you possibly can, with all of the high prodution values that Call of Duty fans can expect.

IMO, After the Activision legal debacle and losing over 30 members of your team, it'll be a great success story to see Infinity Ward pull it off again..

We know the daily routine..the haters have been whining endlessly about the franchise since Kotick made his infamous PS3 comments..followed by the dedicated server announcement..

At the end of the day, no amount of hate and internet petitions could stop MW2 or Treyarchs' Black Ops.

Gamers offline could care less about internet fan kid politics that have people pretending daily that MW2 and Black Ops are the worst two games in the history of gaming.

I look forward to Battlefield 3 and all the rest of the shooters..but if I.W.'s overcomes the obstacles they've faced..MW3 is going to end up with another record year..even with stiff competition..

The plot thickens..

Evil

[limewax]

Yeah the new consoles will be coming but it doesnt mean they cant be working on it. You have a massive company with no end of funds to tap, 3 individual dev companies. And with all that they cant find room to work a new engine WHILE churning out re-skinned games?

And new consoles incoming or not doesnt mean they need to wait, they can be building a base for the engine prepping it as more details about the new consoles reach them, meaning they would be able to release as fast as possible

Its an absolute joke, sorry if I come off as arrogant but I have only had a couple years small business experience yet still I could manage this better than activision are now, This is business basics at its best, future proofing. This is going to bite them in the ass one day I garuntee

[chainer3000]

Wow... we dont want a new engine because it would cost money and time, and we want to get a COD game every year, so no go!

Another reason why COD will eventually crash and burn - flood the market with your own product and you get Guitar Hero syndrome

[deafwing]

the only thing i hope is that dice and company don't let this new found additional popularity get to their heads ... and then we go down the same path again

[EVILDEAD360]

'And new consoles incoming or not doesnt mean they need to wait, they can be building a base for the engine prepping it as more details about the new consoles reach them, meaning they would be able to release as fast as possible'

Do you honestly think that they aren't working on new tech while they are working on this project..

They are simply talking about their next title..at this point there is no need to build an entirely new engine from the ground up..especially when developers prove time and time again that they learn more and more how to harness existing engine after every project

It's not the engine that makes or breaks a game..it's the experience...ask Rockstar after Red Dead...

Ask the world did Batman: AA turn out to be a horiible game because a bunch of internet backseat drivers keep screaming that the Unreal engine should be destroyed..

In the flipside, Ask Remedy how much time and money it cost them when they scrapped their original engine and build an entirely new one for Alan Wake.

Again, building a great game should be their priority..the new engines will obviuosly come down the line..

[TruthSeeker]

All COD "HAS" is a mindless legion of fans who who have low expectations for what a GOOD game should be.

[Kevin ButIer]

Oh god u got to hate this m... f... they are drowning in money thaks to COD and they dont even want to spend time on a new engine... god...

Im all yours BF3

[NukaCola]

@wwm0nkey

Here have a INTELLIGENT, so you can get another bubbble. You just spoke the words that made Bobby Kotick finally realize 'rehash' is not a good word.

[awi5951]

Who are they trying to fool all the talent left with the founders lol. Treyarch has been living off of the real makers of call of duty and they all got fired or left. They have to use they same engine they dont have the talent to make their own lol.

[joydestroy]

lol i was just gonna say that BF3 is gonna wipe the floor with this game this year. not even a contest

[Trunkz]

Ahahahah!! Their still trying to milk their engine until they don't make a gain on sales. How sad that they can't offer CoD players a solid slice of quality.

I got Black Ops and it will be my last CoD, it didn't feel a whole lot different from CoD4 and I got tired of it after a week.

[jeseth]

Agreed. I'm right there with you Trunkz. I traded my Black Ops in early on after being completely turned off by it. It actually is a step back from MW2.

But now that I haven't played COD I've had the time to play so many awesome games one would miss out while constantly playing COD online . .

I did a whole new playthrough Dragon Age : Origins, including Awakening and all the DLC.

Played Castlevania (Awesome Game), Enslaved (Surprisingly good), Dead Space 2 (Awesome), GT5 (Awesome), Killzone 3 (Awesome), Red Faction (For 15 bucks . . . a really fun game), DJ Hero (RIP . . . but the mixes are awesome), and I'm playing Madd Effect 2 right.

Needless to say I've played a lot of great games and haven't spent that time getting my party back in lobbies after people get kicked, getting annoyed by the terrible bullet detection and auto aim, and even worse spawning.

Black Ops was where COD lost me too. COuldn't care less for the next one. It took a little to break away because of how much my online friends still play but now that I'm not playing I don't miss it one bit. I'll def be getting BF3 and hopefully I'll hook up with a new group of players. Bye bye COD.

[vsr]

Tooooo Laaate!!!!!!!!

[MegaMohsi]

lol BFBC2 is NOT a true BF game. It's a spinoff of the franchise. Nothing new? What is COD doing every year that's new? It's just a different era, same coat of paint, same problems. How are you not even gonna think about updating the engine at least? This is why games development will stagnate when you have companies that will keep doing the same thing yearly and know sucker gamers like you will keep buying it, congrats. Also how is it possible that ever since COD4, every COD game has gotten worse???

[DaTruth]

They don't even care about their customers! They are just big walking wallets to them!

I would almost think these developers only make games and don't play them; at least they would want to make a better game so they could play it!

Imagine getting so bored of your own game you don't even want to play it during testing! It would explain all the bugs!

[RBLAZE1988]

AKA Activision would never allow it. But as jizzyjones said it won't stop cod from outselling every other fps. COD has a specific formula that will just keep people coming back. They just add a new feature and re organize the perks and make some new wack ass single player and all the people who bought it last year will get it again. They've managed to manufacture a drug in videogame form.

[Mikelarry]

@guigsy that trailer i mean COD4 trailer is number 4 of my personal best trailers. i just love the way the guy says the line "OUR SO CALLED LEADERS". infact im gona go watch that trailer now remember the good ol days

[JeffGUNZ]

I gotta say, I just lost all interest in Call of Duty. Battlefield 3 looks like they have taken the time to raise the bar and I am pumped for that game. The reason COD is still popular is because of COD4. People like me keep hoping a future COD will mirror that, but we have not been given that game. Black ops brought the game close to its COD4 roots, but still not near that level. I am just tired of the same crap every year. I haven't played Black Ops for ages now and I was at the midnight release. I am only looking foward to Battlefield 3 and Gears 3 .

[iPad]

i wont be surprised if a COD fanboy buys BF3 and say its too hard for them

[damnyouretall]

nailed it

[Three_Sisters]

I agree firing assault rifles in BF and CoD are different

in CoD....it seems that people in the game has ginormous muscular arms and shoulders that are strong enough to hold the rifle still leading all bullets hit on whatever they're exactly pointing at a single HOLD of the trigger up to emptying the rifle's attached magazine...

in BF...it does simulate firing rifles better by giving it real recoil feel...the more you hold the trigger, the more scattered the bullets will be...

A lot of us have an idea how firing an assault rifle in real life...just watch real footage or films then you'll know which game takes shooters genre more seriously

[Soldierone]

To be funny EA should toss in "COD" mode online. Which has 100 percent aim assist and is 100 times easier than the normal game.

[awi5951]

Yeah a battlefield game has bullet drop and long distance shooting snipers will rage. After a certain distance sniping takes some skill.

[Christopher]

While I'm not agreeing with them overall, I think there's a huge distinction between the concept of using a new engine and continue to use and improve their in-house engine. It's unlikely that they won't continue to use and improve upon their current engine, they just won't be switching to any new engine other than what they develop in-house.

[damnyouretall]

yeah fuck them. they cant amp up production with all the money they made? they ruined the franchise we all loved at one point in time. fuck your 60 fps benchmark, that doesnt make a game great anymore.

[the_best_player]

same old COD with better textures, no thanks

[TheIneffableBob]

Yup. DICE keeps pushing the boundaries of technology because they know that it will help them make a better game. And by technology, they don't just mean graphics, but audio, animations, and technical things such as destruction and physics.

The Call of Duty series keeps on using the same engine because it lets them put out a new release every year.

[Prototype]

Garbage like this makes me glad I boycotted Activision games; and articles like this makes me wanna convince people I know to tell this company to kick rocks

[tunaks1]

u do realize Activision publishes Prototype right...

[Prototype]

Its a name I came up with before prototype was a game; if you dont believe me check when I signed up on this site

[Shackdaddy836]

Lol. Its amazing that they cant build a new engine considering they rake in 10mil+ every single year.

With all the money they have, they should be able to make the best engine ever.

Just laziness...

DICE is going to destroy these losers...

[Gamer_Z]

How is a new engine counter productive!? Wow it never ceases to amaze me how terrible Activision and their devs are, if anything a new engine would breathe some fresh air into this franchise and if they have to take some time off COD to develop it they should. A new engine would only strengthen the brand but no they prefer to rip people off with the same game every year. Well guys I’m not falling for the hype train this year and I hope you don’t either.

[Elven6]

It's counter productive because the development team has to learn how to work with a new engine, and given the troubled development history MW3 has had so far and the fact that the release date is 2011 they probably won't be able to build a better engine in that amount of time.

I think Infinity Ward has the superior Call of Duty engine. Treyarch did some great things with World at War but with Black Ops it seemed like a step back. There weren't as many jaw dropping visual moments in the game, scenes with civilian cars looked pretty bad, and the indoor civilian scenes didn't look as good as the MW2 airport scene in my opinion.

I'll likely be getting both games in the end, I'm sure they'll be great. Here's hoping Infinity Ward handles multiplayer things better than MW2 and DICE doesn't give us another Battlefield 1943 (read: broken netcode).

[Gamer_Z]

Do you work for Activision or something or are you just a COD fanboy?? Stop defending this crap franchise even its own dev basically said that they don’t need to upgrade their engine because people will buy it anyways. So what exactly will make this next COD any different from previous versions by all accounts by not upgrading their engine they are being counter productive so why not just stick to playing COD4 or MW2 because it seems the quality of these games go's down every year, BO was shitty.

[Elven6]

^^^
Yes, using logic and drawing from programming experience obviously means I either work for company X or am a fanboy.

People who like Modern Warfare's story will get it for that, people who like the multiplayer will get it for that reason. Why are you so angry that people enjoy a game?

And please link me to a source where a IW developer says they don't need to make a new engine for the game because people will buy it anyway.

[Gamer_Z]

@Elven6

yes I am very angry grrr Lol! Dude I dont care if you buy and enjoy COD, infact I hope you do buy it every year. ;)

[TBM]

personally i don't have to worry about getting this.

[Vherostar]

Yep why create a new engine when you can millions re-using the same old one??? They been doing it successfully now for 3 years and people are idiots thinking they getting a new game when in reality they getting a very expensive map pack and having to go back to lvl 1.

[Sarcasm]

Wow, surprise surprise. Slap some new skin on it, attach the Modern Warfare 3 name, put a lame crazy story. This time you have to help Captain price and Soap battle aliens on Mars because the Martians planned to assassinate the U.S. President but the U.S. President was a Decoy and is actually a Russian Spy who was actually also a Decoy hiding the real threat in which is Captain Price who deceives Soap and Kills him but it turns out he was also a Decoy in which Ghost who burned alive is the real Soap who now has to kill Price and at the end the Earth explodes. There's also a section called "No Education" in which you are dressed as Actvision Execs and you gun down 8th graders using AK47's that have bullets of Robert Kotick's face on them.

That my friends is MW3. 8 Billion Sold.

[DEagle-izer]

"Creating a new engine would be counter productive"

That has to be the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. Why WOULDN't you want to stay ahead of oncomming competitors by making advancements to your engine? why not even improve the existing engine? It's looking and getting worse with every new installment. Engine's so old, hackers always infest the game with their nasty, disgusting crap.

Yeah it takes a long time to make a new engine, but they are also unwilling to admit that they don't have the development time to do that since Activi$ion always give them 2 yrs for the nxt Call of Duty.

I find this to be LOL worthy!

[ChrisW]

Infinity Ward: Why reinvent the wheel?

Gamers: Ummmm... those aren't wheels... they're squares

[xtremeimport]

i dont want to "casual" COD crowd flooding my Battlefield games.

[GodKing1337]

LOL XD, some people said to buy the unreal engine 3 but even that is out dated. I'm a 360 fan boy but just look at the stuff ps3 is coming out with uncharted 3, kill zone 3, infamous 2, etc. the graphics on those games are insane and yet battle field 3 is the best thing graphic wise I've seen and MW3 is gonna have a bit better graphics then MW2, LOL but MW2 had better graphics than Black ops. Funny how all this stuff is turn and every body agrees but watch MW3 is gonna be the best selling game of the year!

[hiredhelp]

COD AGAIN. EACH YEAR EVERY YEAR. like beano. same game same engine same faults it sucks.

[MegaMohsi]

counter-productive to what? Making a bigger profit? Seriously if they use the COD 4 engine again this is a NO buy from me.

[DeFFeR]

You mean the COD 2 engine?

The same engine has been used for every CoD game since CoD 2...

[MegaMohsi]

I stand corrected, this just makes it worse.

[TheIneffableBob]

You mean COD 1 engine.

Call of Duty's engine is id Tech 3 and Call of Duty 2's engine is based off of id Tech 3, but Infinity Ward decided to call it the IW Engine. They've been building off of that engine ever since. It may be an entirely different beast now, but technically it's still based off of the super old id Tech 3 engine.

[Blaster_Master]

lol, Flop confirmed. No dedicated servers confirmed. All that money you guys at Activision got in the past 4 years and you still give us shit on a disc?! F U Activision.

[retrofly]

Lots hope EA sort their dedicated severs out.

BF:BC 1 & 2 were plauged with problems on release, hell some of the BF:BC2 severs have been rubbish on Xbox lately.

[Ultra Gamer]

The BC2 dedicated servers are still much more stable than the shitty black ops servers

[Elven6]

Why are no dedicated servers "confirmed"? Black Ops has dedicated servers.

[Pandamobile]

Not on consoles.

[SnakeMustDie]

Yeah, because even when they just rehashed the same outdated engine. It will sell 10m+ because of those CoD fanboys who just buy anything with a Call of Duty name on it.

Better games got shoved aside although they try(and sometimes succeed) to improve everything from their predeccesor.

It's just Acti/Sledgehammer/IW being greedy. They know the game will sell even if the game engine is outdated compared to Frostbite 2, Cryengine 3 etc.

[DeadlyFire]

Sadly they claim no engine is needed, but when sales flop this year. They will be showing a new engine to you next year. haha. We all know its true.

[damnyouretall]

maybe they will be passionate about their project and spend more than 2 years making the same game. dice waited 5-6 years to make b3 cause they had a vision.

[Blaster_Master]

"someone just needs to spend the $ and construct a new engine for the CoD franchise... Ground up," Bowling replied: "That would be counter productive. An engine takes years and years to develop and get right."

Thats why you do what all great studios do. Work on the game at the same time you work on the new engine. Yall had over 4 years to work on a new engine on the side, And then you , Robert Bowling, have enough balls to say someone needs to spend $ to do it? The most successful franchise this gen and ya still need more money?!!! Well your not getting any more of mine you selfish pieces of dog shit.

[DeFFeR]

CoD 2 came out in 2005 - 6+ years to build a new engine... Laziness

[the_best_player]

More like lets save our money and time.

"What ever game we bring out with the COD name on, SUCKERS will buy it haha"

"Ok team back to them over priced DLC map packs"

[Spinal]

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL'd hard.

This sentence ='Well your not getting any more of mine you selfish pieces of dog shit.' = Win.

[hatchimatchi]

It's counter productive to their annual release schedule.

[floetry101]

Agree entirely with this. If Activision stopped placing restrictions on these developers, they might have the time to build an incredible engine. The CoD4 iteration was excellent at the time, and every subsequent game since has dropped off.

[JeffGUNZ]

Exactly what that means. He knows this series is going down the shitter. Especially with IW losing a majority of their staff. This will probably be the last selling COD that does great. This game will be average at best, probably over the top nonsense and he knows it. Why spend the money on a series that is already reached it's peek when he can milk it without blowing time and money on a new engine.

[Elven6]

Who said there are restrictions? It's all up to how the studio leads want to handle things. Call of Duty games get at least 2 years of development time, a large team can work on a Call of Duty game while a smaller team can start work on a new engine.

In the end, it's down to what the team needs to get the job done. They seem to be pros when dealing with their tech which is probably why they are reluctant to change. Call of Duty isn't really one of those franchises that people buy based on the engine, the upgrades the engine gets each release is usually enough for the audience.

[InTheZoneAC]

new engine=counter productive, why?

I guess Activision is content with using 4+ year old graphics, 4+ year old horrible hit detection system. And instead of doing a new engine they just want to continue their formula of, "take any call of duty game, give it a new sticker, and call it somethign else", which saves them time, saves them money, and everyone still goes out to buy it making them even bigger billionaires.

[Rich1631]

It is actually 6 years old. Call of Duty 2 from 2005 was the first game running on the IW Engine. It has just been yearly modifications to it since then.

[guigsy]

I don't see a problem with using the same engine. Gears of War has used the same engine for three installments running and yet the visuals keep bettering themselves.

I don't think they will change the COD engine until the next generation of consoles anyway, it still looks great, not cutting edge great, but great nonetheless.

[DeFFeR]

Ok - but CoD released before the "current" gen of consoles were made, whereas GeoW was made specifically for the 360.

[Spinal]

Dude, look at the CoD engine then look at the Gears engine. Gears engine blows COD out the water. Better graphically and the Physics are much better with Actual Rag doll techonology.

[AllroundGamer]

translation = we're too laaaazyyy :/

[hamburger123]

Their engine is older then the XBOX 360!

[Wizziokid]

why are they even trying any more did they miss the latest BF:3 gameplay trailer?

[STK026]

Actually, I'm guessing CoD will have a new engine in the next two years, considering they can keep up their annual releases by having two or three studios work on the games (say Sledgehammer, IW and to some extent Raven Software) and have Treyarch work on a new engine and a new CoD that would be released in say, 3 years.

[theEx1Le]

Well we might find something about cod in the next hour
http://findmakarov.com/

and OT: i honestly cant believe they still use the lame id engine from a decade ago (-_-)

[sp1deynut]

"Activision won't allow us the time and/or resources to develop a new engine...let alone a new IP"

This is EXACTLY why Vince Zampella and Jason West wanted out.

[damnyouretall]

for me it boils down to me not wanting to compete in their games anymore. why dont people move on? try something new.

[CobraKai]

What they really want to say is "new gameplay would be counter productive"

[Rich1631]

Black OPs had solid single-player graphics but the multiplayer graphics were FUGLY.

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[tommyth3cat]

Yeah like in the beginning level where you fire the mounted weapon that shoots what appears to be giant white sheets of paper, totally solid.

oh and you can't forget all the KY jelly they smeared on textures to pretend like its not a 6 year old engine with the same death animations.

[sway__z]

Yeah okay chill out for a minute....

Ever considered seeing the game finish first before ripping it to shreds?

Majority of you were bigging up COD and hating MOH for years, now you hate COD? You lot are a fickle bunch.

Half of you are hypocrites and the other half are sheep lost in your local game store.

[specialguest]

We had 3 games, count that...3 games after MW1 to see the finish product, and all were pretty much rehash of MW1 with new skins and stages.

[maverick40]

The graphics are already years behind and they want to keep the same engine....fuck my life. This is guitar hero all over again. I hope KZ3 and BF3 blow this game out of the water and finish this franchise off for good.

[Boody-Bandit]

In other words: "Why spend some of the billions we have made off of the COD series when we know our sheep will flock to any trash we throw at them with very little effort or cash spent on our part?"

We will just rinse and repeat, market the hell out of it and THEY will come!

Good luck with that Activision. Seriously, I don't doubt that you will in fact pull in big numbers but I honestly believe your next title will be the start of the decline. I know the next sequel to your bread and butter franchise will definitely be a pass for me. There are way too many shooters coming out from developers that are actually putting effort into their projects. They deserve my coin, you don't.

[Spinal]

Definitely +agree dude. I won't be buying anymore COD games til I see a new engine at the very least.

[HungPHATx]

Black ops was my last COD game ! It's all BF3 and let's see what the REAL COD developers "Respwan" come up wuth

[ps3deo]

I think that's ridiculous. We need a new engine as I am tired of this same crap. If not a new engine, at least make a huge improvement in terms of gameplay and depth of maps.

COD series is going to be in big trouble if Modern Warfare 3 fails because fans are tired of the same product coming out. Only thing different is each game comes with more bugs. The Modern Warfare 3 website http://mwarfare3.com/call-o... says the game will do $300 million.

[sway__z]

@Specialguest

But choice is a good thing my gamer friend :)

...without it, we'd still be playing the Doom/Quake series.

We don't have to buy COD, but it's nice to have options.

[specialguest]

That is true. Choice is good.

[BrutallyBlunt]

I guess so when you milk a franchise and have annual releases, it does leave little time to build a new engine. Improving the stability online and hindering boosters/cheaters/hackers is also counter-productive too it seems.

[Mikelarry]

Really............

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[Mikelarry]

lol@J

[DigitalAnalog]

Can't afford new engines, poorly designed games and a bug-fest riddled gameplay despite utilizing the same engine for years and years with no notable improvements. Despite all this, COD fanboys keep coming for more and more and more. Don't you find this disturbing that 1 generation of COD can produce more than 5 sequels in a row?

-End of Line

[Der_Kommandant]

Yeah...

Counter Productive for hackers and cheaters

[jjank11]

I'm officially done with COD after black ops unless they update the game engine and give us servers. The only reason I've ever bought COD is to play with my friends, now that I've gotten some of my friends to play and get addicted to the battlefield series, I fully expect to be spending loads of time with Battlefield 3 and quite possibly with both the console and pc versions. Also, this year is full of FPS games so I'm certain some of those may take some of my time as well.

[Elven6]

Black Ops has dedicated servers, I don't know why people think the game doesn't. This is also why you need an Xbox Live Gold account to access just about any multiplayer feature on the 360.

[gypsygib]

The game looks the same as it did when COD2 released on 360 5 years ago.

COD will fail hard sooner or later, the gameplay is largely the same and the graphics are the same and sometimes worse.

[ATiElite]

Activision has made Billions of dollars from COD and they can't even spend the money to make a new game engine. Fuck Them!! yeh I said it. COD mW1 was the last COD game I have bought as the last two were trash and I do not support this greedy, selfish attitude of Activision.

That's OK because I this to look forward to.

[Black102WingS]

Activison doesn't need to do anything different because sales speaks. Untill they witness cod sales going downwards, they'll act but, as of now, no changes in cod is a must. Lol downplay cod all you want, the game is a monster when it comes to sales, period.

[boss_killa]

You know what's sad?

Millions of people will still buy the game even if there are no improvements whatsoever. It seems like everyone just wants the same sh8t over and over again. Activision will only change things up if games like Battlefield, Brink, or Killzone start outselling it.

I will never buy another COD game ever again.

[evilmonkey501]

Im waiting to see what gets announced by Respawn later on this year...(hopefully.) I truly want it to be a COD KILLER. Who better than the original creator?

[younglj01]

Lol i blame tha COD fans not tha developers or Activision anymore.

If u keep buying shit year after year.Why would any1 invest money to sell you gold when they know u love sh1t?

[CanadianTurtle]

Are people still rambling aobut this? Yes, there are A LOT of games better than Call of Duty, WE KNOW! But they will never sell as much as this series.

Look at KillZone3. Amazing game. Probably the best shooter to come out this year so far. Yet it didn't sell half as much as Call of Duty.

[DanSolo]

Haha... yeah Counter Productive to making as much money as possible by milking the franchise to death!

lol I have no problem with a business trying to make money... but when they say shit like that.... ya know???

[bwazy]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nilamo]

Why do people still buy this game even though the developers themselves admit there is no progress in the franchise.

[SuperbVillain]

no new engine? k thanks now I have another reason to not buy this shit.

[Soldierone]

It would be counter productive because that requires spending activision money and taking time to develop a good game. We dont want to do that by any means.

[SuperStrokey1123]

I wont be getting it, just considering BF3 at this time. Speakign of which did they date it yet?

[NotSoSilentBob]

Counter productive to their profit they mean.

[outwar6010]

i want a halo 4 :( i want to know what happened to master chief screw call of duty and its forgettable and generic characters

[Trroy]

To be fair to IW, their engine is pretty decent as-is... if they still have the skills to use it.

Compare Black Ops and MW2. MW2 wipes the floor with Black Ops -- they use the same engine though. In the end, creative skill has as much, or more, to do with how good a game looks, than the engine does.

Heck, take a look at Gears.. awesome. Now take a look at your typical UE3 game... meh. Its not the engine that's at fault here.

[Owner360-PS3]

Black Op's is the final COD i will have ever bought. This comment from IW sealed the deal for Battlefield 3 for me,their attitude alone makes me not wanna buy their crap again. And Josh Olin is the biggest joke of a community manager ive ever witnessed.

[zack61]

Doesn't matter because I won't be buying Mw3.

[bobrea]

Who gives a shit

[NateCole]

I see a lot of hate for COD and yet a lot of you people bought it which is funny.

I for one only bought COD4 and i still have it because i have a no resale policy when it comes to my game collection. No used game either.

[bwazy]

The only reason most people bought COD is because they knew it was the ONLY game there friends would touch for at LEAST 8 months.

[gamingisnotacrime]

the developers dont give a flying fk about pushing the title forward

[creamsoda]

Lazy f*cks.

[GalacticMuffin]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I refuse to purchase another Call of Duty game until they revamp the series. The game may have done well through sales thus far, but it needs something to compete with the likes of Battlefield 3, Resistance 3, and Brink; three games that have stepped up the ante.

It's already become what Madden is.

[xtremegamerage]

If anyone has ever played COD and BF2.

They are totally different games.

COD will not stop selling no matter what BF3 looks like.

The only way to steal away the COD crowd is through different modes.

Say.

Mode A - Openscale, huge battles, capture flags etc.

Mode B - Small maps,tdm,ctf,ffa, explosive shit.

Mode c - openscale again, but with all the little modes.

But i'm guessing they won't.

I really do hope they add more then what was in BF2, that game was crying out for new objectives. Was awesome, but BF3 could be so much more.

Plus the killsteaks etc, people love that shit.

[Three_Sisters]

yeah...one of the point of making shooters is making players experience how awesome shooters which is by how great the "Killing" in the game...and the "easiness to kill" plus the graphics in CoD games make it appeal to a much larger audience than BF...

[Soldierone]

FPS games are already exploiting these weknesses...

Killzone has exactly what you said. Big maps for bigger modes, and small maps for team deathmatch. You also have kill rewards everywhere.

AKA if you want to beat COD, make it seem hectic when it isnt and reward the player ten times than he should get rewarded for everything. You looked at a guy, here is 10k points. Its stupid, but its why COD is so succesful. its easy to be "good" until noob hackers ruin it.

[bunfighterii]

So they're re-releasing the same game they made, what, 4 years ago now, a slight makeover?

I loved Modern Warfare, liked Modern Warfare 2, hated Black Ops, and won't buy this.

[Three_Sisters]

Robert Bowling: "A great new engine is not the key factor for building a great game...but labeling the game with "Call of Duty""

[quadalupeupe]

MILK THAT QUAKE 3 ENGINE TO DEATH!!!!!

they are probably waiting for Rage to come out and buy another John Carmack engine

[Sub-Zero85]

Well one thing for sure is that the Call of Duty franchise & Madden franchise have something in common. ........ no matter how bad their games get progressively worse they will have a loyal fanbase no matter how crappy the games are they put out !!!

[littlebigmarcpsps3]

lol no mw3 without IW
activision really needs to call them bastard back

[led1090]

Translation - "A New Engine would be too much of an investment with regards to time. We'd rather swim in the pool of cash we've made selling refurbished versions of the same game"

[acemonkey]

lol people say they will never play or buy another CoD game and its in your game collection now. I keep hearing the same Shit Medal of Honor/Battle Field 2 & 3 will dethrone CoD as FPS. I doubt it will happen, Yes BF3 looks good. But only time will tell. As far as CoD 3 we have to wait for game play/News and Facts.

[Sub-Zero85]

I traded in my copy of Black Ops back in December ........ I can honestly say that will be the last Call of Duty game I will ever buy ..... I won't even think twice about buying MW3

[Tigan]

there are now way better games and better looking to spend my money on. I got a feeling battlefield 3 and crysis 2 will wipe their asses with the CoD franchise.

[slutface]

im officially done with anything COD

[dkgshiz]

People still into rehashed crap games? Honestly...how can someone stomach another one?

[TheDarkness]

Activition loves milk

[Burning_Finger]

No matter what kind of game engine you put in there, COD s***s BALLS!!

[drzmvp554]

So I guess we can expect the same BS from previous COD titles?

[HacSawJimThugin]

A billion dollar franchise, yet catering to fans who want improvement is "counter productive"??....Idiots. Especially after Battlefield released footage and screen shots of their gorgeous new baby?! Support this game people, let's show these muthafuckas that we can break them just as easily as we made them.

[drzmvp554]

If IW built an engine from the ground up like DICE then maybe COD would be more balanced.

[CrimsonEngage]

The Engine Infinity Ward/Treyarch uses for Call of Duty isn't their engine. It's ID Softwares engine. Infinity Ward and TA are just licenced to use their [ID's engine].

For those who don't know what engine they are using, it's a heavily modified version of the QUAKE engine. I'd say it's out of date. I'm probably going to be flamed for this, but i think the new Unreal Engine would even be better than the current (and out dated) engine they are using.

[GodKing1337]

CoD your in DO OR DIE STAGE right here!

[xX-PEIN-Xx]

This is why I'm done with COD.

[Jawmuncher]

AKA we wouldn't be able to milk it every year

[APetePerson]

*sarcastic*: oh poor activision! they might actually have to put some effort into their new game!

[smashman98]

people are getting angry at activision but they care about money first quality second so in this case it would be counter productive

people have bought pretty much the same game for 4 years now so all they need is to improve on the engine without giving a massive overhaul like what dice is doing this way its cheaper for activision and they dont risk kicking people out of this comfort zone they have built and in the end customers will still buy it

[GodKing1337]

LOL CoD is older than Xbox 360 and Xbox 360 is out dated XD!!!

[tony6767]

bottom line activision think why put effort on a new engine when money come all over with old engine and all we do is sit on our asses and here comes the money!!

[SlaughterMeister]

Of course it would be.

After all, it's difficult to rip people off if you actually offer them their money's worth.

[Hozi89]

they only know how to take from the fans and loyal gamers. They don't know how to give back for the millions of $ they make.

[artdafoo]

You people need to wake the eff up, did you really believe MW2 would be some great leap forward in terms of graphics and gameplay ? They been selling you the same shit since COD4 and many of you will still buy MW3 just cuz it's the new COD. Vote with your wallets.

[FiLTHY ESKiMO]

They mean: "New engine would be counter-profitable", or, "Activision says no".

[IHateYouFanboys]

look, theres nothing wrong with the engine that MW/Black Ops use, at least not on the 360 and PC.

is it the best looking engine around? no, but it still looks great.
does it have the most features like global lighting/deferred rendering/destruction? no, but it runs at 60fps.
is it well optimised for this generation of consoles? yes.

now im all for new engines and innovation and stuff, but seriously - we're at the pointy end of the generation, it doesnt *really* make sense for them to invest 2 years making a new engine only for the next generation of consoles to come out and make their new engine obsolete.

would i like a shiny new engine? of course. will i dislike the next MW purely because its using the same engine - albeit modified - as one of the best games of this generation (COD4:MW)? no, that makes no sense.

the MW engine looks great and runs at 60fps. not many other engines can stake a claim in doing that, can they?

[madjedi]

@ilhate This gen isn't going to drop dead in 2 yrs, the new psx and xbox aren't going to be released until 3rd party devs are ready. And even when the new consoles do hit, ps3's and 360's will keep selling to people.

"is it the best looking engine around? no, but it still looks great(obvious hasn't seen killzone 3). does it have the most features like global lighting/deferred rendering/destruction? no, but it runs at 60fps(wow that is so much better than those other features), is it well optimised for this generation of consoles? yes(as ancient as that engine is it should at least run decent)."

Every fucking other major fps dev has either blown cod out of the water visually or has upgraded to a new engine, wtf is call of dutys excuse again?

This isn't a quirky jrpg or indie title, it's the top selling fps franchise there is, there is no excuse for the graphics to be this far behind the times as it is.

Don't give me any bs about gameplay over gfx, this isn't mag it doesn't get that as an easy out.

Cod 4 looked good for it's time, not so much 4 yrs later, i find it hilarious your one of these diehard cod defenders.

"the MW engine looks great and runs at 60fps. not many other engines can stake a claim in doing that, can they?" Considering most other fps games look better or are larger in scale than cod, that isn't really saying anything positive about cods looks or magical 60 fps does it.

[GrumpyVeteran]

Buying any product from Infinity Ward would be counter-productive.

No, seriously, Infinity Ward are fucking morons.

Damnit what the hell?

Shit.

Arghghgh

Gotta go punch a wall now.

[citan]

Yesterday I ran COD:BO demo from PSN and was stunned with graphics. In a very bad way. I remember PS2 having better graphics (like in GOW2). Nothing seemed right in that game. Gun had no feeling of recoil, even rumble was weak. Then I launched KZ3 to start the campaign over on higher difficulty. I was stunned again. How can those two games come from the same year? Even generation? Their graphics, gun handling, gameplay are at least 10 years apart. Hell, Modern Combat, a cheap PSN title, has better graphics than COD games (higher resolution, at least) and shooting feels more realistic there. I consider the COD franchise one of the biggest failures of modern gaming. Mainly because it's so popular and people like above still defend this piece of feces.

[RockmasteR]

wow!
all that money made from Black Ops and no new engine?
isn't it used up already?

[SteveSmith]

They don't need a new engine the one they have is good enough.

[Masterchef2007]

Which means that MW3 will be as crappy as black ops.

[therapist]

games on console will never look much better this gen anyway, what you see in those battlefield trailers is not what you will get on console, the two best looking console shooters are killzone and crysis 2, they have tons of jaggies, tons of pop-in and run at terrible framerates (20-30 frames per second)

whats the point of iw wasting money on a new engine that will still look like crap on consoles, that's the reason they are not making a new engine, CoD is a console game now, pc gamers do not want it

devs who make cutting edge games make pc games, consoles are an afterthough for a cash grab for them

The only place you will see incredible mind-blowing new graphics will be on pc until late 2012-2014 when ever those greedy lazy shit microsoft and sony suck the last dime out of all the sheep who line up for halo7 and uncharted 5 and call of duty 24 (now with Kinect support)

if you buy move and kinect, you are part of the problem

as more and more people move to pc to experience games as devs intended, the fat cats will be forced to make new consoles

[madjedi]

"games on console will never look much better this gen anyway, what you see in those battlefield trailers is not what you will get on console, the two best looking console shooters are killzone and crysis 2, they have tons of jaggies, tons of pop-in and run at terrible framerates (20-30 frames per second)"

Funny i have a 1080p tv have yet to see any problems with killzone 3, maybe your copy is defective.

"The only place you will see incredible mind-blowing new graphics will be on pc until late 2012-2014 when ever those greedy lazy shit microsoft and sony suck the last dime out of all the sheep who line up for halo7 and uncharted 5 and call of duty 24 (now with Kinect support)"

Translation i am a immature eltist pc ass clown who must gloat how superior current pc hardware is to 5-6 yr old equivalent pc hardware that the console's use, thank you captain fucking obvious for telling us this.

You know it's idiots like you that don't make me miss pc gaming anymore, your a pc guy and your grammar is that poor, wow lazy ass confirmed.

"if you buy move and kinect, you are part of the problem as more and more people move to pc to experience games as devs intended, the fat cats will be forced to make new consoles"

Full of ourselves a bit much there, you are really making pc guys look stupid to us console owners.

[therapist]

are you really correcting my grammar because you have no valid point to make??

there is no point for a new engine when the game right now on console runs in 1024x600

lol

600p

what are they going to do to the engine

then think what they will do to the resolution

have fun with call of duty 9 in 480p

[dan_chan89]

pathetic and lazy. i'ii be picking up BF3 thanks.

[NeloAnjelo]

This is of no surprise. God forbid they try and Change something. COD hasn't changed in its last four games. The games feels the same. Looks the same and plays the same. With the same glitches and online issues. Stop buying it, and maybe then they'll actually try and improve something.

Just another Franchise that Activision is killing.

[jon1234]

fan favorite ghost???? i dont even know who the F$@% that is?? screw these games....

[madpuppy]

"New engine 'would be counter productive'"

Yeah, Counter Productive to making lots of money with as little work as possible.

[hot111]

MW engine looks great and it runs at 60fps,much better than crappy sub-30 fps shit that fantards hype.

[ps3destroyer]

Killzone 3 will dominate both because ps3 exclusives always sell better than low scored shitty games like COD and Battlefield.

[madjedi]

Cod mw2 & blops scored high 90's i believe both were buggy and had online issues since day 1 mw2 got patched, blops was made playable for ps3 2-3 months after release, so mainstream "review scores" are essentially worthless this gen.

Battlefield a shitty game? While enjoying ones own exclusive lineup is good, don't get too obsessed with them, that you unnecessarily trash good multplatform games. That is where you going from being a gamer with a platform preference to being a blind fanboy.

And i still think i am responding to new 360 user account, but no ps3 exclusives, generally don't outsell bf or cod series, partly due to those being multplatform.

And alot of sony exclusives are usually kinda not really niche, but more doing their own unique thing regardless of there genre.

[Trunkz]

lol @ the ps3servant fanboy ~ would you like more lube so killzone feels better inside you?

[T3MPL3TON]

Lol, thanks for telling me this far ahead of time that the game isn't worth buying.

I like the new Activision. Being honest, is a new facet of their business plan I think... /sarcasm

[ZILLA]

BATTLEFIELD 3 will rewrite the FPS book when this baby hits.you may NEVER see COD of any type recover from the blow its about to take(period)