Seb Downie, a producer at Guerrilla Games, has answered fans questions about Killzone 3's future.
That's a shame, Operations Mode is awesome.
My favorite gamemode by far :(
Its fun if your the ISA and manage to get through each round, but if the HIG's manage to stop you first round its over so can be quite short and boring.
that's why you need teamwork for this mode, you can't win without it. I've been in countless games in the snow level where my team (ISA) would just rush through the door ahead of the landing zone and keep going there trying to get as many kills as possible while ignoring the other routes to the directive. It's annoying seeing that, but it gets really fun once you advance. No matter how many times i've seen that dam break apart, flooding the area and killing off the higs, it never seems to get old.
Wow that's terrible Operatios is my favorite mode as well. I just like it cause it shows cutscenes and I feel like wow I'm a part of this LOL it's corny but to me it's real damn it
"Unlikely" isn't "no"; I'd wait or push the case in the forums.
For sure, its the coolest online aspect ive seen.
Its cool, but it takes way longer to level up. In Warzone you level up very quick and unlock more weapons and abilities!!
If this is true, than I will can see myself selling my copy in the coming few months...Operations is the best part of the MP but with 3 maps it is already 95% stale. Such a shame! A new, great concept that get ZERO support from the dev that invented it.. Something is very wrong with this entire picture.... there are what... 12 warzone maps? but only 3 operations maps? Silly and stupid if ya ask me
I think 10/12 maps offer Warzone. Kaznan Jungle and Blood Gracht are only for GW. All the Operation maps are available for all modes, but that's just 3/12 maps coming. While I can understand that it's hard to make cinematics for Operations it's highly unfortunate that what is arguably the best mode they hyped had only 3 maps worked on, one of which I played so much already in the beta. I really hope they rethink it.
I agree Alpha! The fact alone that frozen dam was in the beta so basically you only ever play 2 maps because no one ever votes for Frozen.. I am kinda confused by his response from both a gamers perspective and theirs. For starters, why NOT juice up your DLC for ALL sides of the fence? I can promise you there are people who only play operations 90% of the time, these are people who would be willing to shell out 10 bucks for a map pack that has even one operations map attached to it... Secondly from the devs stand point, I don't understand because this was their BABY! Like you said they were pimping operations mode out for quite some time, but only to shit on it when the game releases is a lil bi-polar if ya ask me..... I can think of only 2 reasons for this. 1- They are tracking user stats and they are showing people are not playing operations in huge numbers like they hoped OR 2- If the VGcharts numbers are true and the game only pushed 500k worldwide first week than Sony is pushing back production of DLC to cut costs to make up for losses IF there are any.... Either way, I think for GG to completely ignore this portion of the game is a huge fail for a highly respected developer who has been known for listening to their fans! Let's hope they are listening now!
I just think the entire game was rushed. Not in the sense that it was poorly developed-- it's polished and networking is fine for the most part, but there is a serious lack of content IMO, especially when you look at K2. I feel that Sony rushed them to release the game early to support 3D+Move and to beat out the rest of the shooters. IMO Killzone could have spent 2 months more really giving us more content. It's too bad, but I think I'll lose interest in this game faster than I imagined and I'm unsure of buying the DLC. For now it's all I can play
I actually never thought of it like that! Looking at it now the game could easily have had an extra 2-4 months for sheer content. Every time I turn this game on I am blown away by the amount of detail, scale, and GG's take on Helgan but I also feel underwelmed by the lack of content like you say.. There is this beautiful, massive, fun and visceral feeling to this game that drops quickly due to the lack of once again CONTENT! Thats a great way of describing it! I have been trying to figure out what it is, and that sir is exactly what! Thanks ;)
Thats just disappointing. Operation is literally the best Gamemode (IMO) out of the three game modes. One of the best things to ever happen to Killzone. Addicted to this mode. Here i was hoping they would reveal Operation DLC being included with the next map pack. I'm wondering if it would just be the size of the DLC. Well Killzone 4 better have a lot more then just 3 maps
I was going to report this news myself when I found out. It's so disappointing that they just did 3 Op maps, one of which was already in the beta. Warzone is screwed up in some maps because of TSAs, not all maps support even both GW and Warzone. I was hoping to live off of new Operation maps. This means all DLC will likely be one Warzone map and one GW that are mode-exclusive. They need to make the maps playable in more modes, I hate that Operations is getting the axe, I'd even sacrifice cut-scenes or have them reuse exact cut-scenes from the ones they already have if it meant they can continue Operations. I'm just mad they couldn't offer more Operation maps from launch. I still enjoy Operations but just 3/12 maps sucks.
Dude they should have allowed every map for all game modes. Hopefully Custom games fixes that (not operation mode obviously) I feel like they really dropped the ball here, DLC were my hopes for new OP maps, now they are not gonna support it, the best Game mode by many in the community. @Below yeah being a KZ2 vet, KZ2 had it's issue but at least it had content. I hope GG never again make this mistake with future KZ, i really feel like KZ3 MultiPlayer is a dumbed down version of KZ2 MP, even though game play and graphics are better, in terms of content
The GW warfare maps are cut off from the whole map, so I don't think they'll offer that. Likely most players are going to make really long Warzone games with just Bodycount available for maps that don't have GW. They rushed the game. Most new fans don't notice how much more K2 had so they don't care but GG is getting an earful from K2 fans. I feel like they really f*cked up and I think that they will just move on to their new IP. It's still a fun game, but it's not a game I think core fans will stick around for and COD fans will hop on to the next shooter, starting with Crysis 2 and then MW3. It's getting me worried. The game also has 200K players in my region so I really don't know what's going to happen to this game when DLC hits and other shooters like Brink start coming out. I was hoping to stick with K3 until BF3 but now I feel like getting Brink
While I'm no "fan" of KZ games and don't know what the difference is in the maps (yet to pop the disc for KZ3 in even), I believe you are a very level-headed person with a lot of good points Alpha. I hope you kind of keep leading by voicing your opinion about the game on the official forums. What they say now can change very quickly with proper community leadership backed up by the agreements of the rest of the community.
Awww operation is the best mode in that game. Why would they not make dlc for that.
Had I known that, I prob wouldn't have purchased Killzone 3.
You know you are right.. 3 maps in a mode is disappointing..
you would have passed up one hell of a good game then.
*Picks up a torch* Wtf i should march down to their office and demand operations dlc!
My reaction.... http://www.youtube.com/watc...
That sucks i love operations.
Suprising. Considering how many people like it. It's alright, I don't think it's 'by far the best' mode, like many feel, it's just new is all. And it's really just kind of a variation on Warzone, which is still imo, where it's at. They may not make maps specific for Ops in the future, but make maps that are as well used for Ops, maybe that's what they mean?
Its the fact that Operation makes it feels like there is an online co-op mode with the intro cutscenes and the ones after every objective that makes the mode so desirable. Without those it is pretty much Warzone. Cutscenes and the feel that its co-op is what makes it awesome, and the fact that they reward you for being in the top 3 by featuring your name in the cutscene, makes it even more rewarding. People want online Co-op, this is literally the next best thing to it if they can't give us it.
Damn, Guerrilla. You guys just keep disappointing :(. Killzone is my favorite shooter series this gen. They took out much of what made it unique (things that were fun and functional), and dumbed it down. Now, a key selling point to the MP, won't be further supported down the line. Not to mention, Operations isn't even supported in 5/8 of the maps on the disc!
One problem with making new Ops maps is that they'll have to record new voice overs (assuming the missions are different than the current ones), and I doubt they can or want to get Ray Winstone back in the booth. My biggest problem is the fact that every map doesn't support every game mode on the disc. That's just cutting corners, IMO. It can be done!
I agree. I'd rather they gave it an extra month, but it feels rushed in many aspects. Operations was billed as the big new mode they had and it's supported pitifully. It's so frustrating to see the game fall short of the potential it could have reached
Meh, Warzone is where most of the enjoyment is anyway. If you want cut scenes play single player or the maps available. You got a great game stop your whining
WOW! Dont tell me they are becoming lazy.
Im sure if everyone E-mailed requesting this Seb would take this on board. Probably start crying in the process due to his work load, but never the less, make it happen. ; )
Are you fucking kidding me? This is not good news at all!
that really sucks operation is my favorite mode...c'mon guerrilla
It's not my favorite mode, but no DLC at all for that mode stinks. Then again I'd rather them focus on some of the connection issues before even considering DLC. I love the game and play as often as I can when I'm not working but that world is full message is getting old.
Buy a Bluetooth headset and tell a friend to buy one too.
Just because DLC is not likley that doesn't mean they couldn't just modify other maps from other modes to be played in Operations.
I wouldn't be surprised if they change their mind in a future date. Although, its probably difficult to create new cutscenes for the new maps. Honestly, I love this game, the many classes and abilities, the changing modes and spawns, the graphics and amazing maps have killed COD and Halo for me. Live/PSN: iNMyFiN4LH0ur
shame same thing happened with uncharted 2 and its co-op mode that had the cutscenes
you guys who love operations should give Invasion mode in Halo Reach a go. Operations is the same as Invasion, only with cutscenes personally im not too fussed by the 'no operations DLC' thing as i generally just play warzone. body count (or whatever its called now) just seems to be over far too quickly, and operations can be too. that was the one thing i disliked about Invasion in Reach - if the other people on your team sucked, the game would be over in 2 minutes as you couldnt destroy the generators in the first 'scenario'. i want GG to hurry up and fix whatever the hell is wrong with MP map selection though - after playing for maybe 12 hours so far in Warzone, im STILL yet to play on any map other than one of the retro map pack levels. theres no option to vote for the next level (i know this is in the game, i saw it a few times in bodycount but even though we all chose a different level, it just kept repeating the same retro level), and no matter how many matches i join/leave theyre all just playing on the same level. very f#$^ing annoying. its like they released the game with only a single multiplayer map.
Dude your post is full of facepalm.... Firstly KZ3 Op modes are quite a step up from halo in so many terms im not even going to bother listing them. And also you do get to vote on the next map, when the position screen comes up click square to continue and then vote and pick whatever you want.
they did say "unlikely" and not "no" so if we bark up their asses enough about it i think they will change their minds.
So after playing a majority of the single player, i decided id take a shot at the mp since ive been hearing such great things about it...... Disappointed isnt the word to describe how i feel with guerrilla. KZ3 seems so damn watered down compared to 2 it sickens me. Controls are COD as hell, The camping is outrageous, it just feels so casual compared to 2. In kz2 there was a learning curve, but once you got the hang of it it was so fun. I dont understand why GG would make such a drastic change. KZ was my shooter of choice to the point where its my name lol I guess im just gonna have to wait till resistance to get that original feel from a shooter again.
why can't the just make the other maps operations without the cut scenes because once you have seen the cut scenes they get a little old
wait... so u cant invite a friend to ur game? what a fail...
*pulls hair! WTF GG?! that mode is beast!! WHY?!?!
i would definitely, in a heartbeat, pay 10+ dollars for new DLC maps for operations, i'm obsessed with operations.
Give Me OPERATIONS GG! Or piss off! NO DLC bought by me!
Content wise I dont find anything lacking with KZ3 online, 12 maps is a decent offering, its just the way GG has shared the use of the maps thats a real let down as 3 maps out of 12 for Operations is a rather paltry offering.... I guarantee they'll bring out new maps for all game modes, theres alot of money to be made in DLC. I want a space level like the end of the game with the ability to turn zero-g off and on somewhere in the map :D
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