Forza 4 might give GT5 a serious run for its money

Forza 4 is on the way, although a concrete release date is still nowhere in sight; the last we were told we could expect it around autumn 2011.

The team behind the Forza series has been pretty busy, and a post over on MSN Autos sheds some light onto just how busy they’ve been. Gran Turismo 5 might be up for some serious competition insofar as hyper-realism is concerned.

[hoops]

Even it it were, you cannot say this on N4G.COM

[GavinMannion]

I'm sure the site is entirely imapartial and won't stop this being approved simply because it says something bad about GT5...

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[Ognipode]

haha

[guigsy]

Critically Forza 3 faired better than GT5, so shouldn't the title be "Forza 4 might give Forza 3 a serious run for its money"?

[LOGICWINS]

@guisy- Even though you speak the truth..a certain group will tell you that reviews suddenly stopped mattering. Yet these same people complain when IGN, Destructoid, and Gamespot score the games they like lower than a 9.

Classic N4G double standards.

I'd actually have respect for these people if they were consistent with their principles. If reviews "don't matter"...why keep clicking on review articles???

"I mean forza 3 got better scores than the 5 year 60 billion dollar gt5 did for cryn' out loud."

That type of logic doesn't apply here since 70% of the gaming media hates the PS3 s/

[paintsville]

Forza 4 is going to blow gt5's doors off and it wasn't in development for 5 years either. I mean forza 3 got better scores than the 5 year 60 billion dollar gt5 did for cryn' out loud.

[Anarki]

dejavu all over again

[Shadow Flare]

Need for speed hot pursuit got better scores then GT5 as well. What does it matter. GT5 is the most realistic driving simulator and that is what no one contests

The fact that turn 10 deliberately widened real life tracks in forza 3 to make the game "easier to overtake" tells me all I need to know about what turn 10's aim with the forza series is. Forza is the dumbed down, friendly for all game whereas GT is, was and always will be the thorough bred quality simulator for driving enthusiasts

Lest we forget in forza 3 you can only do half of what you can in GT5, in pretty much every feature. I'll have the game that has the realistic driving physics, includes every single type of major form of motor racing, in weather, day/dusk/dawn/night, with proper damage that effects car performance, all the while racing with 16 other people.....forza is the one that desperately needs to catch up. In about double the features.

[Yi-Long]

1: A focus by the developers on a whole lot more NEW and ORIGINAL tracks to race on.

I don't really give a shit about having a thousand cars in a game, if we'll still be racing on the same old tracks!

2: Please stop with the DLC-milking.

[starchild]

@Shadow Flare

Whoops! Your fanboy is showing.

[MaximusPrime]

Actually Starchild, ShadowFlareX is spot on. I played both and you should play both too not just forza 3

[kancerkid]

I don't think there is enough information to make any decisions yet.

but I got to say, F3 was a real step up from F2, so I can't wait to see what Forza 4 brings to the table.

[DoomeDx]

Not this again..

[vsr]

lazygamers

How many DVD's? ( We did disc swapping on PS1/PS2 era)
1000 cars ?
Dynamic weather ?
16 cars online/offline ?
Still in 2 D ?

Please answer

[The_Ultimate_Guy]

@ vsr

2 DVD's, 1 was an install, the other was the game. So really it's only 1 DVD after the initial install.

1000 cars...HAHAHA of tose 1000 cars, only about 230 were on the same level as Forza 3's with inerior views. Don't even get me started with the other 80% if cars that looked like piss poor PS2 ports.

Dynamic Weather....was NOT all all tracks in GT5 and although a nice addition, is not mandatory for a great racing sim. Weather being absent in all other GT games didn't seem to matter to the masses.

16 cars online....LOL ya LAG fest with cars warping all over the track. Don't even try with that.

3D gaming is played by 1% of the entire gaming demographics. Your argument is reaching at best.

[Kleptic]

^^ok ok we get it...GT5 'wasn't' what we thought it would be...

but saying 'only 230 cars where on the same level as Forza 3' is simply as ignorant as you can possibly get...

NO racing game to date has as realistically detailed cars as the premium models in GT5...period...no matter what review you read, what blog shouts about GT5 being below the mark...they ALL state that when GT5 is up and running 'at its best'...no real time rendering anywhere else comes close...

there is a reason that after 60+ million dollars of development budget and 5 years of development time...that there are still relatively few full blown premium cars in the game...

I'll give you that the standard cars look like utter shit...and that before 1.05 some shadows looked retarded (they did fix that)...but saying premium cars in GT5 do anything but stand entirely on their own in any sense of real time rendering...is simply false...forza 3's cars fall safely in the middle...WELL ahead of standard cars in GT 5, visually...and WELL under premium...

[evilunklebud]

I should be better than GT5, not giving it a run for it's money. And it probably will be.

[MNicholas]

In terms of review scores, more than likely, due to the fact that, like with all of Microsoft's top franchises, according to Microsoft's own financial reports (public companies are required to file these by law) they handed out over $2 Billion dollars to gaming sites and the like.

In terms of quality as a sim, it depends on Turn10's priorities. The 360's CPU is clearly limiting them to 8 cars so the small number of cars alone takes away an important aspect of racing ... opponents. Tests also showed that Forza 3's physics model is atrocious and allows very high cornering speeds that simply would not be possible in real-life even if you account for the fact that people naturally drive a bit faster in games to the lack of real danger.

Then they also have to start making the tracks realistic. They openly admitted to altering tracks in order to make it "more accessible." That's the wrong approach if you're trying to make a sim.

[insomnium2]

No point telling them facts. It's all about MC average once again just like it was years ago.

Don't people ever get tired of this ssdd (same s*it different day)?

The stupidity of the x360 fanboys and the media alike has been proven as fact in these recent years so many times it's not even funny anymore.

Now your actually going BACK to the original claim of "it's all about teh MC"? Give me a brake. That s*it is not funny anymore. It's not even sad. It's just stupid. and so very OLD. Haven't we seen this before?

[baodeus]

Then perhaps, the problem is the score that was tag on to a game. Apparently, people on n4g play game based on the given rating but not for what it is (both side, not just ps3 fanatic).

Ex:
gt5 suck because forza has better score
Ex:
Ps3 has higher rated games on metacritic than xbox.

A score will not define how good the game is for you, only u can make that decision, not reviewers. Play it first, and if you are skeptical, rent it.

Both GT and Forza have their own positive and negative. They are both fun at the end and that is all that matter.

I actually enjoy hidden gem much more than any AAA status game.

[Vherostar]

Why wont it touch GT5?? Its on 360 only.. Its true I mean its wither that or the quality of the game which I seriously doubt as its a high quality game. GT5 outsold Forza 3's lifetime sales within a week thats the power of GT on a console where gamers care more about FPS games Alan Wake is another perfect example of this. If its not FPS its not gonna outsell a ps3 counterpart.

[frostypants]

Competition is a good thing. Bring it.

[DeathMetal1474]

I am not a big racer fan, but I will say that the way GT5 has been supported with updates is impressive, wish more devs supported their games like GT5.

[WobblyOnion]

I don't care one way or the other for sim racers. What I did like about Gt5 was the karting! If forza 4 has a better karting implementation, Turn 10 will see my money. If not, they won.t

[M4ndat0ry_1nstall]

F3 gave GT5 a "serious run for its money" based on review scores already. F4? Will probably take GT5 out of the race completely.

[Pyscho_Mantis]

you guys are not gamers but pure fanboys. If you rely on solely review scores instead of the actual gameplay features in a game then you will know that you are a fanboy. A clear example look above and below.

[jizzyjones]

The rate GT5 is gettin patched it will be new game by the time Forza4 is out, then theres DLC potentially aswell, but I would agree it will give it a run for its money, at least another kick up the A** the series probably needs.

[dragonelite]

too little too late.
Only way is to perform on release or the metacritic kids can't use it.

[OSU_Gamer]

Shouldn't a game "perform" on release?

Its sad that we expect and should accept a release patches for games 5 years in development.

[MaximusPrime]

Has Forza series surpassed Gran Turismo series? Nope

[jcgamer]

Anyone who believes the Forza series is better than the GT series because of a metacritic score is a damn fool. Now, back to GT5 :)

[starchild]

Oh so nothing matters except that PS3 fanboys say so? GTFO.

[Aarix]

Can I say I've had more fun with forza that gt but I had the most fun with hot pursuit.

[Fil101]

3 years from now GT5 will B even btr if the updates keep coming which i'm sue they will & F4 will B forgotten about "that's the power of gran turismo" 360 fan boys wont like it , but it's true

[The Meerkat]

You make it sound like releasing a poor unfinished game is now a good thing.

You should get a job with Activisions PR dept.

[Fil101]

gt5 had more to offer on day 1 than any other driving game, & they keep adding

[dragonelite]

3 years from now we will have forza 6 going head to head with gt6 hopefully on next gen console.

[koehler83]

They don't cater to the same audience.

[GavinMannion]

I have to disagree, they are both going for the same audience, GT5 goes for the slightly more hardcore section of that audience but they are both going directly for the simulator crowd

[PhatsoJuggalo806]

I loved Forza 3 and GT5(each game is good at different ways)
if Forza 4 is better then 3 i might just buy an xbox again, or use my friends because he never uses it.

[Stealth20k]

LOL they never will in terms of sales and public reception

[KingPin]

lolz!! whats the point of this whole argument?!!! will ps3 owners fork out cash for a 360 for forza 4 after they already invested time in gt5, or vice versa? i highly doubt it. to each his own. xboxers will say forza is better, ps3erz will say gt5. sure they have features which might be exclusive per game but thats what keeps them from being identical. if gt5 wanted to be forza or if forza wanted to be gt5 we both know both developers have the skills to recreate the game from the ground up and make a flat out copy!!

stick with whichever one you like. play both if you want. THATS FINE TOO!!

[LarVanian]

What he said^

[Pen15]

Best comment here.

[jriquelme_paraguay]

i sold yesterday my G27 and my GT5... tired off the "Updates"...
Is obvious, GT5 is an unfinished released game.
Compare the game in the Box, and now... its not fair.

[makingdamage]

I wouldnt base my opinion on whether the game is finished or not on the number of updates but if the released game is worth the price.

[Shadow Flare]

"it's not fair"?????

What? The updates are completely free!! And to my knowledge, so far there's only been 2 updates. Geez. Or would you rather them have waited a sixth year to release GT5? I'm glad they released it when they did because its an incredible game. And now even more so with the free updates. What are you moaning about??

[dragon82]

I can handle you selling GT5 because you are tired of the updates. That's fine, but you lost all credibility when you said you sold your G27. After playing GT5 with a Logitech Wheel there is no way you would sell the wheel. There is no better way to play a racing game than with a good wheel.

[Shinuz]

What i'd like in Forza 4 is a Career mode like Grid had.

[supremacy]

Well GT is like wine where It gets better with time, each update the games get is like a top paid DLC elsewhere, like that whole update forza 3 got on GT5s launch window. Top gear or whatever thats called, so before suggesting GT5 is an unfinished product think again.

I am sure even a year from now GT5 will still stand out with its money uncontested.

Yes a new game is always likely to outshine a game thats been in the market over a year, but at the same GT is no fable,rather a series build with high standards.

[StrifeHawkins]

GT5 says to Forza 3
Anything you can do,
I can do better.
I can do anything
Better than you.

No, you can't.
Yes, I can. No, you can't.
Yes, I can. No, you can't.
Yes, I can,
Yes, I can!

Anything you can be
I can be greater.
Sooner or later,
I'm greater than you.

No, you're not. Yes, I am.
No, you're not. Yes, I am.
No, you're NOT!. Yes, I am.
Yes, I am

[seinfan]

So GT5 is the woman?

[ChozenWoan]

So you have something against women?

[R2D2]

Last I checked women take it from the back.

[StrifeHawkins]

don't you think its funny that any racing game that comes out with 4 wheels gets compared to gt5 still? and not forza ?

i mean forza is apparently a critically acclaimed masterpiece with 92 metacritc compared to 84 of gt5 yet

Shift 2 is being compared to gt5
Dirt 3 is being compared to gt5
f1 2010 is being compared to gt5

i mean since forza has already won why the need to compare to gt5? why isn't forza on the lips on everyone's tongue, go to the forums forza 4 has got 0 buzz.

its a simple concept really gt5 is valued more than forza despite its scores,virtualr.net has apologized for calling forza a sim.
kotaku has deemed gt5 a sim and forza 3 a semi sim game,
the games servers are busier than forza's have been, and gt has received an update today

i wonder what they added this time let's see?

Major Changes and New Features

* Remote Racing – [Remote Races] have been added to the bottom left of the [GT Mode] – [Community] screen. Here you can start a fully automated B-Spec race using yours and your friends’ “My Drivers”, and gain rewards and experience from it. For details please see section 8-4 [Remote Races] in the [Manual] accessible from the main menu, and also the new “Remote Race” page on gran-tursimo.com, under the GT5 product information section.
* Remote Racing from a Web Browser – In [Remote Races], you can visit the official “gran-turismo.com” website using a web browser, and remotely control your PS3® at home. You can start races, monitor its progress and check results from the website. This is a new playing style allowing you to play Gran Turismo anywhere. Sign in from the [GT5 My Home] button on the upper right corner of the website to get started.
* Using the Course Maker in Online Races – You can now use one of the “My Courses” created in [Course Maker] for your online races (in Open Lobby, My Lounge), or select themes and generate courses on the spot. (Please note you’ll only be able to use My Courses created after this update).THESIXTHAXIS
* Introduction of Performance Points in Online Races – We’ve now introduced Performance Points (PP), a numerical index of a car’s performance for online races. You can set PP restrictions in the online race regulations (in Open Lobby, My Lounge) to limit participating cars. For details, see 6 -15 [Performance Points] in the [Manual] accessible from the main menu.
* Increased Rewards and Experience Online – The amount of rewards and experience gained from online racing (in Open Lobby, My Lounge) have been increased.

[ChozenWoan]

^^^
Well said.

[nix]

"don't you think its funny that any racing game that comes out with 4 wheels gets compared to gt5 still? and not forza?"

that's the thing. GT5 is always the one to be compared with. around 1200 cars THAT HANDLES UNIQUELY, people seem to forget that every car game wants to be GT.

EDIT: i want to give you 'agree' for every word you've said.

[Lazy_Gamer]

Another silly article looking for hits by bringing up GT5 against another game ( Dirt 3, Forza 4 .... what next? ). There's a reason why GT5 is the sim king while the rest are just runner-ups that try their best to match the top dog.

[Xfanboy]

the five years was mostly based on perfecting gt5 cars & graphics!
never was there any talk about it being fun!

dirt 3 4 me!!

[RedDragan]

The two weeks it took to make Forza 3 was purely to milk you for your momey, it worked.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

GT5 was a massive disappointment in every way, Kaz said he wanted to ship a complete game but now he's releasing massive updates for exactly what? Oh right! to complete the INCOMPLETE game he shipped!

The game was a failure, personally I think both GT5 & FZ3 are garbage. You fanboys can fight it out how much you want.

It's a good thing the 360 fanboys backed away from this site, you PS3 fanboys are like sensitive little girls.

[dragon82]

Maybe you should back away from this site too.

[AhnnQuirajj]

I seriously hope that PD check the GTPlanet suggestions section where it would really help them get this game fully up to scratch. Having said that however I really enjoy the races, including the online events. The game is updated fairly frequently, more than I can say for other games. The fact the game teaches me a few things about the history of some of the cars is good as well!

Forza has a good development cycle with the creation of assets between games quick, or possibly reusable! If PD took a similar approach, such as fleshing out details for the car then tweaking their models via patches to remove minor defects, then the games might come out a bit faster.

If either game gets a course maker/better course maker then I'm sold... after I save up for a 360.(something that gives you more control certainly... I'm thinking Trackmania mixed in with Mod Nation racers, or even just simple check point placing with the ability to change height)

//INB4 DISAGREE//

[sashimi]

I see people are still trying to sell Forza as the better game compared to Gran Turismo. yeah good luck with that hahaha cause no one is listening

[starchild]

Yeah PS3 fanbabies have their fingers in their ears going "la la la la I can't hear you".

[DigitalAnalog]

Both superseded the previous re-iteration and they barely touch the scores from their last games.

With GT5 as the new standard considering the amount of content in the game that warranted an 8.5. What do you think Forza 4 have to do in order to surpass that if they can't challenge GT5 in content? Graphics? Gameplay? Apparently GT5 has that down too. It's going to take a miracle of Forza 4 were to reach 9.0 scores now.

But of course, we shall look at the "reviews" to see how INNOVATIVE Forza's Kinect would bring to the table.

-End of Line

[RedDragan]

Nothing. Forza 4 will not have to do anything. The could be only one car and that could look like a steaming pile of dog poo and yet the game will get 90's across the board.

American just hate the PS3 because it is not American. This is why despite all the problems it has had, the 360 rules in America.

Put it this way, everybody who knows cars knows that Americans cannot build good cars.... yet America disses the foreign cars despite them being far superior in every way. America calls it patriotism while the rest of the world calls them stupid.

[Mustang300C2012]

Contender for dumbest post on the net for 2011 right here folks.

[Hanif-876]

@RedDragan i couldn't have said it better myself, its really sad but 100% true :-(