Hooked Gamers writes: "As a huge fan of the original game, and its older siblings Baldur's Gate I and II, Dragon Age II should be on my 2011 wish list. And yet it isn't. More worrying still, why does Bioware seem hell-bent to keep it that way?"
Save over $100 that way. This article is mostly a hate piece, my only gripe is the (real, not initial) price.
... when I know in advance a title will be DLC-milking, it automatically means I won't be buying it at full-price, but I'll wait for the GOTY, IF I'm still interested in the game by then.
I still havent played DA1, I wanted to pick up the complete edition, but since they fucked up with the missong dlc on PS3 im not getting it
This opinion piece surprised me. I thought is was going to be nothing but whining....except that I have had the same concerns the writer had! The bright colors? Gone Freedom to name and "be" my character? Gone Point of View Freedom? Lessened, no "downward facing" camera. Tactical nature? Likely simplified to broaden console appeal. I do, however, look forward to the supposedly much improved combat and movement animations. In that vein, it may prove to be a great game, but i do have concerns similar to those of the writer.
D: I wish I had enough restraint to wait for the GoTY edition. But I love DA:O too much, so getting DA2 day one.. It'll be my first game I bought since Red Dead Redemption in May '10. Looking forward to it <3
Pre-ordered the Signature edition; Its already going for well over $100 on ebay. Decisions, decisions....
I actually liked the character development in DA:O better than ME:2, I'm hoping it doesn't go downhill in the sequel.
@pogibaldy "freedom to name and 'be' my character? Gone" Then you must have hated Mass Effect 1 and 2. I seriously think this is a good thing, because now you can "be" the character that they've given you and you can do what you want as him. Your character in Dragon Age was pathetic; he just stood there, mute, and it took away from the life and dialog of the whole world around you. I hope it's more like Mass Effect IN the dragon age world this time around, and it looks to be that.
@darksied Totatally agree with you. And to be quite honest with you guys, I even find character appearance customization option needless in games. I mean if bioware intended John Sheppard to look like the Sheppard we know looks like, why would I want it to look different? Even if didn't like main Sheppards look i would still play with the standard character. Same goes for changing the names of characters. Sheppards first name is John, period imo. I mean it would just feel wrong if lets say in FFVIII you would give your main character a different name: Jamal insted of Squall. Or in FFIX Betty-Sue insted of Vivi. Respect developer and keep the original appearances and names. This statement applies in all the story driven and character focused games. Some hack'n slash etc games might be a different story.
Pretty sure you could rename your characters in FF7. I know in a lot of their games you could pick a different name if you wanted.
I think a fair strategy for devs to take on is to announce one DLC package at launch, explain that it will be the only package, say it will be special / top quality and it will only be out after 3 or 4 months. This will encourage fans of the game to hold onto their copy (reducing 2nd hand game sales slightly). The reason it will take 3 or 4 months is that they will only start working on it after the main game is launched, and the DLC package is being treated like a separate project. But some devs are being greedy and milking games to kingdom come with stuff that should really be in the main game, I'm looking at you alternate SFIV costumes...
"What ever happened to the lush, colourful high-fantasy setting that we knew and loved from Dragon Age? Why would I want to play in a dreary, dull looking world with off-putting colour schemes of reds, greys, browns and purples?" Dragon Age origins wasnt all that pretty...at least not on 360 and ps3. I dont know what this guy is thinking. I like the new art scheme. I think this will be one of the biggest games this year and with good reason.
Dragon Age was much better on the PC, in every way.
I loved Dragon Age : Origins. One of my favorite games this gen. I have to say that after playing it on a console that I imagine the PC version would be much better...so many spells and commands that the console version was "clumsier" than on the PC. I'm excited for Dragone Age 2 bigtime. Hopefully they don't change the winning formula too much!
Yeah IDK why it got high ratings on consoles. I played it and it was total garbage. Story was good for the 2 hours that i played. Im sure the PC version would of been great to play.
"Dragon Age was much better on the PC, in every way." Yikes. The PS3/360 versions must've really sucked then, because the PC version was also a pretty bad game. Terrible combat system, boring plot, and it was out-produced in every way by Mass Effect...which was an older Bioware release. The music was ok, but the game in general fell apart after the first 5-10 hours or so.
i wouldnt call dragon age origins a colourful game, not even on pc. so i dont really know why that is a complaint.
haters gonna hate, trolls gonna troll. I highly doubt he´s played any of those games... just looking for hits.
LOL Then you dont know Falconer my friend. Hah this kills me.
I've known Sergio for a long time now, he's a bigger fan of biowares Baldurs Gate than you could ever possibly be. He's also as old as the gaming industry itself, so shut the fuck up as you have no idea what your talking about. He is voicing his opinion and his values go against everything you just said. In fact, everything you said in your comment describes you ya troll.
says the troll.
I already preordered from direct2drive for 45 dollars with a promo code. I had my doubts, but after watching some pc gaameplay I knew I had to have it.
I'm still getting DA:2 even though I agree with most of what he said.
Oh no! They made the combat better and now it isn't a game that can be figured out with a calculator! What will I do without my offline WoW?? "Basic enemies are killed more easily than in Dragon age: Origins? You're kidding, right? You're not? Hoo boy... So Dragon Age II really is an Action RPG then. Where is the challenge in that?" Action RPGs can't be challenging? That's news to me. And what? He'd rather watch his avatar wail on an orc infant for 5 minutes than slay them to get to bigger challenges? "What ever happened to the lush, colourful high-fantasy setting that we knew and loved from Dragon Age? Why would I want to play in a dreary, dull looking world with off-putting colour schemes of reds, greys, browns and purples?" That's funny; because Dragon age WAS a dull looking world with ugly browns, grays, and greens. Just a whiny, close-minded, console-hating, WoW-loving Elitist who'd probably be the most comfortable playing D&D, rolling dice to decide the combat outcomes.
I tried reading the article, but all that I could understand was, "Whaaaaaaaa... Whaaaaaaaa... Whaaaaaaaa... Whaaaaaaaa..."
exactly my thoughts well said
I usually do that too. But I haven't bough the first game. I don't think I will.
Hate is a strong word... :)
No, strong is a strong word. Hate is a hateful word... : P
i played dragon age on pc and i agree it's visuals were not that simulating. But the game gets a perfect 10 for its gameplay and story. you know what? scratch that.. the visuals were great too.. the werewolf lair was just awesome. i dont agree with this article.. but since it's the author's own opinion, no hate from me.
@nevermore What res and what graphics card was you using? Because dragon age looked awesome on my pc maxed out.
i had a 8600Gt back then...
Ya I thought it had alot of detail and looked awesome on pc. Im not a big fan of the console style tricks used in games like mass effect and uncharted. Im starting to think I'm the only one who appreciates graphics with actual details over nice textures with no detail.
Yeah that card cant run at the settings i run at it can do 2 aa at the most it looks way better at res over 1080p.I force 32 samples with 16aa and 16af It looks alot better that way.
Dragon Age looked pretty great, imo. http://www.wegame.com/view/...
I am not pre-ordering Dragon Age 2 for two reasons. The first is the way they treated steam customers by purposely locking us out of the signature edition. Secondly they are going to produce a crap load of over priced DLC for DA 2 so I will wait for the "ultimate" edition when they sell all the content for the correct price rather than let them nickel and dime me.
i guess you write about something...
***allowing for a tactically oriented system on PC*** DA2 has been proven to allow for the same tactics save for the need to control NPC placement (rogues especially for back attacks) during chaotic combat. Otherwise, the exact same NPC AI logic is there and editable by the player, the same pause and assign action is there, and the same ability to hotkey various abilities are there. ***Dragon Age had a high-fantasy setting which conjures up Tolkienesque images of lush worlds full of vibrant colours that make you feel alive.*** It looks the exact same as DAO on the PC, IMHO. Most of DAO was spent in drab dungeons with the same look/feel as the others as it was. The fact that the real world may reflect a similar tone doesn't mean it's a bad game, it likely means that the world has changed and isn't full of peaceful forest areas like it once was. There was a difference in tone of the LotR settings once you got to the end of the second book and throughout the whole third. It wasn't all nice and colorful, but primarily very grey or dark in tone. ***Basic enemies are killed more easily than in Dragon age: Origins? *** Got any proof behind this claim? Every video we've seen has been of them playing the game on casual mode. In DAO, casual mode was pretty much a breeze as well where even boss mobs didn't make you do much to win other than make sure you healed when needed. ***And we actually liked the way we could develop our character and really don't want to be restricted to pre-selected spells and skills and pour our hard earned skill points into those.*** What? No clue what you're talking about. There are multiple trees of advancement for the PC character that you can customize to your own heart's content. There are 6 normal trees and multiple specialization trees for each class that you are free to spend your pints between. Even better now is that not only can you train in the skills you want, you can also further enhance abilities that you like with various skill enhancements as well. ***The problem is that it won't be a continuation of Dragon Age: Origins. It will be something new, something too different for it to give us the same fantastic experience that we received the first time around.*** That's like saying ME2 wasn't a continuation of ME1. It is and it's ignorant to claim it isn't. The leaps in changes from DAO to DA2 are not even near the level of changes from ME1 to ME2. I would hope that as a person who plays RPGs for the storyline, that the most important elements are left unchanged, which are the story and potential for the player to defined their way through the continuing story. ***And do you know what's scary? I talk to Dragon Age fans all the time and they all have the same reservations.*** I might suggest you step outside your little bubble of friends, then. ==== I encourage people to watch the GiantBomb.com Quick Look video they did. http://www.giantbomb.com/qu... 1. They explain you can still pause and assign commands 2. Skill trees are still in with the ability to further specialize in the skills you buy 3. That they are playing on the easiest level during their demos, which is why NPCs in general look like they are so easy to take out 4. Customization is still in, though NPC armor is about upgrades and not about equipping them with random armor. You can give them weapons though. 5. Abilities can still be hotkeyed 6. UI is different for PC and console
Article should be "Nerd Rage at Bioware refusing to make the game I want!" What the hell does limiting it to one character have to do with watering it down? Planescape: Torment had you play as one pre-set character (with the same Warrior, Rogue, Mage choices too), and that to this day has the best story of any video game. Calm down. Personally I won't be buying it until they release the Ultimate edition in a couple of years like they did with DA:O.
I would argue limiting it to one character actually expands the game's depth. I miss RPGs where you jump into the game, you learn about the game's universe, its characters, and you're drawn to the story. When you create a Character it limits the personality of your character entirely. It limits story telling and it limits the experience in whole. When a developer makes a game, I want to be confined by their guidelines. I want to be restricted on what I can make, because I want to play THEIR story, not mine. Character creation is something that has actually limited a game; it simply needs to be rethought and done correctly.
If you like limited games then go play Final Fantasy 13 - you'll be in heaven.
@Nicaragua Great job on using poor reading skills. I didn't say I want to play every limiting game there is... but I am confident in Bioware's skill in terms of story telling, character development, etc. Playing a poorly done limiting game is not what I meant.
Esena hits the nail right on the head. 1. People always use well-known novels as examples of "open RPGs" for some reason, without realizing that novels themselves tend to be so well done because the author chooses what you see and how you see it. 2. Focus on a known protagonist in a game has always made people associate the game with that protagonist and make them more likely to continue a storyline that involves them. Examples are in the hundreds with video game characters alone, including RPG alumni characters Commander Shephard, Geralt, JC Denton, The Nameless One, and others. Think about it this way, when you look at what a specific character from DAO did, do you recall what your character did or something that an NPC with a real name and voice did in the game? For me, it's most often something Oghren did and not my character. 3. And, with the focus on a single character (male or female versions), it allows you to give a voice and further purpose to the storyline. You come from a single background, meaning they don't have to dynamically account for each possible background, race, and your faction rating. Instead, they have a lot more time to expand on just your faction rating.
There's more to a great rpg than story alone. I have to feel like I have some real affect on the world, luckily after watching the gameplay video at rock paper shotgun im no longer worried. The pc gameplay looks largely unchanged but the animations are much improved. Honestly I would have loved the first even if it had no story at all, gameplay is the most important part of any game.
All the people saying they will wait for the GOTY version with all the DLC...good for you, but I don't have that kind of patience. I want to play now!
Same here. I buy games at the release and after completion I won't play it again for a long time. When I want to return to DA 2 I will simply buy the "Ultimate Edition" or whatever its gonna be called. I won't buy any DLC this time around. That way I will have something new when I buy the ultimate edition. And when I buy that, I can just sell the normal edition or sumthin. :)
lol if everyone 's waiting then chances are that we're not going to have a GOTY edition at all Just saying
The thing that draws me to a RPG is interesting characters. If I see a RPG with generic looking characters I just can't be bothered to play it. Which is why I stopped playing Dragon Age about 5 hours in. And why I won't be getting this sequel. It all looks so generic with your typical RPG style characters. Nothing interesting about them at all.
I'd say its hard to make a fair judgment on the characters after 5 hours of Dragon Age. First you probably wouldn't have gotten all of the characters. Second, the game itself can run to 50+ hours so to judge something but the first 5 hours is jumping the gun a bit in my opinion.
I wonder did he stop playing COD after shooting 3 people?
My favorite part of the first Dragon Age, and most RPGs in general, is the character interaction. I really loved the characters in the first one, and hope that they make appearances coming back in the second one.
Seems to me that this guy just wants to moan. Origins will still be there if you really care that much.
I love how the gaming press gets flak for being too optimistic in previews AND THEN ALSO get flak for writing their honest opinion. :)
When that opinion is based on factually wrong BS, yeah they get flak.
Haha, look at the author getting all defensive about his POS article. Oh, and you're not the gaming press. You're just some hack writer and a bitchy fanboy writing for a web site that no one cares about.
I can carry around a basketball all day long. Doesnt make me an NBA player. Just because anyone can have a website now and anyone can write an article hardly makes you part of the gaming industry or a gaming journalist. You felt the need to share your opinion. Don't get upset when others share their own opinion. I'll never understand why people think their opinions shouldnt be questioned simply because of the work they do.
I think DA2 is going to be vastly better, the party looks just as interesting as the first, your character can talk, the combat is refined, the menu systems are refined for consoles... Plus it's Bioware! It's already got my seal of approval because AFAIK Bioware haven't made ONE bad game, ever.
I don't understand why people are upset that there is a fixed main character this time around. It gives the game much more depth in terms of story. Instead of being the son of somebody we know a lot about, we now can have an entire back story on Hawke, the main character. I for one have gotten sick of heavy character creation in single-player, story driven games. Yes, I do want Bioware to tell me who to be, I want to play out the story they've created. I want to be "restricted" in the sense, because it allows the devs to build a universe involving my character rather than my character jumping into a unknown universe. To the author of the article: You seemed to be engaged with Bioware games in the past, yet you think you know better than them now? Wait until the final game is released, relinquish your childish attitude, and if the game interests you, don't let your stubbornness tell you otherwise.
Dragon Age 2 looks so much better then the first one. I pre ordered mine for the Xbox 360 months ago. People need to learn to get a grip. These games are for entertainment.
i will buy the game soon as its released since don't really pre order.
The author is allowed an opinion certainly, but if you are going to publish said opinion as though its fact then prepare to be torn apart for what comes across as a bitchy little fanboy / elitest article. DAO was indeed a great game but it had MAJOR flaws to it. The overall experience cried out for refinement and some changes. I don't think the PC crowd is truly getting the short end of the stick on this game. It still will offer up the best visuals on high settings, and it still will offer up the tactics and pause screens of the last game. You may not be able to zoom out as far as you wanted but truthfully that wont stop you from being able to command and give orders to each member of the party. And this complaint about the main character being set instead of choosen is a trade off that I welcome. Yes I liked being able to select a dwarf, human, elf etc... but I the lack of a voice over main character left the game feeling dated especially when all the supporting characters were so well done. I welcome the Mass Effect type story telling and dialogue tree system. It will give the game a much more "movie" like quality and not this archaic "read my lines" system of the first game. Visually, the changes so far seem good from what I have seen. I wont pass judgment though because I haven't seen anything more than a handful of screens and videos. The first game felt very "tradtional" Balders Gate and this game seems to be hitting those chords as well. I for one am pre-ordering the game. They can try and DLC me all they want...I just wont buy it unless its on sale down the road. The first DAO gave me more than enough play time with its original story for me not to worry about what is or isn't coming in the form of DLC.
I must be the only person who agrees with the author. I thought ME1 was better then ME2(although ME2 was still a great game), because it was a deeper game with more micro management. Less focused on action and more on building characters and getting the best out of them. I fear DA2 will follow this same trend, but I will still buy it. I wish that we had full customization of all party members kinda like the old D&D dos games where you could imagine a team and then build it. DA2 seems to be taking control away from the player in order to make it a more cinematic experience, which is fine, but its not what I want.
Whine, whine, whine, bitch, bitch, bitch, moan, moan, moan, complain, complain, complain... ad nauseum. This generation has turned into nothing but a bunch of spoiled, self entitled gamers who are jaded to the point that all they do is hate on games that they have not even played. "Whahhh, teh game is consolized... wahhh!!!"
Dragon Age looked so awful I couldn't even bother finishing it. After being spoiled with Mass Effect 2, the graphics in DA were sh!t.
Yeah, we all played DAO for the graphics.
i am with you on this one. DAO is not for shallow gamers.
I'm not shallow, I'm 30 and have played some of the first western RPGs ever released. This day in age, graphics are important. If graphics weren't important, you'd all be playing Wii, but since everyone constantly talks crap about it, I'm guessing you're not all playing wii, you're playing HD games on PS3 or 360.
Well, I'll be enjoying DA2.
This writer needs to have his eyes examined. DAO had lush, colorful graphics? Maybe with some mods but the real version of the game was ugly as all hell.