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Sony claims PS3 games will run on NGP without graphical changes

Sony claims PS3 games will run on NGP without graphical changes
But NGP versions should come with extra feature

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morganfell4828d ago (Edited 4828d ago )

The writer of this story is missing the point of Sony's comment. It doesn't exclude extras but rather Sony meant you would not have to sacrifice quality. Duh.

Attempts to find a topic worthy of story material are often quite telling. Particularly when such efforts go awry.

DoomeDx4828d ago

If this is true..i wonder how the PS4 will be.

arjman4828d ago

It's teh power of teh Arm Cortex A9, ok that doesn't have much of a ring to it...

dredgewalker4828d ago

Lol....the Arm Cortex A9 doesn't really sound as charming as the Cell. Maybe we should just shorten it to "ArmCor 9"?

Marceles4828d ago

Sounds like the name of a Ratchet weapon

rockleex4828d ago

Armored Core 9? What? Lol. :P

HappyGaming4828d ago

The power of the Cortex...
or
The power of the A9

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Prcko4828d ago

did i said day 1??
yeah i did!

Jio4828d ago

Getting it day 1 too! NGP, is going to be amazing.

MGRogue20174828d ago

Same here.. I want to buy it now! NAO!! :D

Droidbro4828d ago

It's amazing how is easy it to sell a garbage hand-held to you guys with lies. Obviously, any hand-held device at this point in time is incapable of producing PS3 or even 360 like graphics. The original PSP had garbage games and I would have think very hard about purchasing this. This is shameless propaganda to sway people away from 3DS.

Elvfam5114828d ago

Just buy your 3DS and ill buy my NGP.... Just like maybe you brought the DS while i brought the Psp....

hot4play4828d ago

Oooh, someone is butthurt. Aren't you supposed to be on some Windows Phone 7 forum or something?

Let me rephrase your statment:
"It's amazing how is easy it to sell a garbage (CONSOLE ie. XBOX360) to you guys with lies.

"shameless propaganda"? Really? lol. Btw, Halo sucks :D

internalbit4828d ago

Delusional much? Anti playstation brigade out in force lol

awiseman4828d ago

2 analog stix = awsome fps experience.

saint_john_paul_ii4828d ago

wipeout HD was aparently running on NGP (obviously not in HD) and it did not lose its quality.

klado4828d ago (Edited 4828d ago )

It is quite a possibility of this happening since

Lets recount
Ngp = CPU 2GHZ, GPU 800mhz+, Ram 512 up to 1GB(Rumors, but isn't the Iphone 512?, exactly)
Ps3 = Cpu 7 x SPE @ 3.2GHz, GPU 500MHz, Ram 256x2 = 512

In short, yes the NGP is capable of moving or even emulating PS3's games at the given Sub-HD resolution for the NGP.

In short, games like Alan wake, or below the remark can run easily on this lil piece of ORGASMIC machine.

Doubt all you want mate, that is just FACT.

SuperM4828d ago (Edited 4828d ago )

How many Ghz or Mhz the processor or gpu is running at does not tell you how powerfull it is so the comparison you did is pretty much useless except for the RAM which does hint that NGP might be able to have as good or better textures then PS3.

However it has been said that the NGP is really strong at doing shaders and that it can do any shader the PS3 can do. I can believe that since it has 8x the shader performance of the Samsung galaxy S and 16x the shader performance of an Iphone 4. Pretty impressive stuff.

It cannot push as many polygons as the PS3 though. Thats where the NGP is struggling (if you can say that at all)

Also games like Alan Wake that already run at a low resolution is less likely to be able to run on the NGP then other games. Wipeout HD is able to run on the NGP because its scaled down from 1080p on the PS3 to 544p (or something like that) on the NGP. Im not sure exactly what resolution Alan Wake is running but its probably something like 640p. Scaling a game down from 640p to 544p is not gonna yield enough power for the game to run on NGP.

I expect that pretty much every game that is 1080p on PS3 can be ported more or less without graphical downgrade to the NGP. If the game runs at 720p or below its going to take a graphical hit (or lower framerate) when ported to NGP

klado4828d ago

Thanks for the input mate, pretty much appreciate.

Ju4828d ago

There is no way the NGP can "emulate" the PS3.

But what it can do is run the same (recompiled source) code and the exact same assets (graphics, animations, sounds). MGS4 showed it can render the exact (!) same scene @20fps.

Now, this possibly did not include any AI, physics or other. But it also wasn't optimized code but a straight port of existing PS3 code.

With optimization it is likely, the NGP can run the exact same game as the PS3 does - on a smaller resolution.

klado4828d ago (Edited 4828d ago )

Did I said otherwise? that was my remark dude, capable of running the same game if not better at given sub-par resolution, it is pretty much possible, emulating it though? was too exited :D.

No to mention NGP posses a even better GPU and may also RAM, so expecting a better AI and environment too.

@ Disagrees, guess I can easily taste your denial.

SuperM4828d ago

Klado, you have no idea what you are talking about and you pretend what you are saying are facts. Its not facts, its what you think is true and its really not. Im not saying your completely wrong with the message you are trying to convey, but you are definately overestimating the NGPs power compared to the PS3

Ju4828d ago

The NGP does not have the "better" GPU. It has a last gen GPU with all the bells and whistles those come these days, namely better (more complex) shader support (PowerVRs own version, whatever that UNI shader is they promote so heavily).

Bandwidth wise, I strongly doubt it will reach what the RSX is shuffling through the PS3's XDR/GDDR. I also doubt they can reach the 30GB/s bandwidth on a hand held device. This would be interesting to find, out though.

Geometry will be a problem, but you got 4 cores to do some preprocessing? I don't know, could be possible. Since PS3 games do culling on the SPU this code could possibly be used on the NGP.

Also, I do not think they will go with the highest clock frequency. 2GHz CPU and 800MHz GPU is a best case scenario, on the low end it's 800MHz+200MHz GPU. Anything in that range is possible.

But we'll see. Heavily shader optimized games on the NGP will for sure look impressive. Particle monster like KZ3, I doubt it. Not even in lower res. SPU bandwidth is still unmatched.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

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jznrpg13h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos13h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola8h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies20d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken20d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga20d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken20d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6420d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long20d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197220d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12520d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91320d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer20d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91319d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit19d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher20d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6920d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit19d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher20d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken20d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197220d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic20d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2320d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218320d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder20d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts20d ago

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Sony May Soon Let You Decide How Much NPCs Talk In Games

Sony has patented to add multiple dialogue modes to let players switch between how many conversations with NPCs they want in the game.

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blackblades26d ago

Sony is like the only ones outta the 3 that has atuff like like this pop up changing thing in ways.

just_looken26d ago

Sony in the past has always been first at bat with new ideas/tech but in the end never fully use it or just toss it away.

blackblades26d ago

I think they did use some but yeah most usually never happened but at least they thought about it. Sony seeks things like this and other, Nintendo seek different ways of playing going by there different controler designs and console designs.

just_looken26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

some of the other stuff sony want's/owns never used
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://www.eurogamer.net/s...
https://metro.co.uk/2023/03...
https://decrypt.co/114754/s...

monitor/adjust game difficultly as you play
https://www.techradar.com/g...

Sony nfts
https://www.theblock.co/pos...

Pay ai to play the game for you
https://thebusinessofesport...

Oh all the above last 12 months

I just imagine a evil scientist with test subjects when it comes down to sony recent patent reports.

Kaii26d ago

Will we get dialogue options that won't spoil puzzles in a matter of seconds? :p