Sony claims PS3 games will run on NGP without graphical changes But NGP versions should come with extra feature
The writer of this story is missing the point of Sony's comment. It doesn't exclude extras but rather Sony meant you would not have to sacrifice quality. Duh. Attempts to find a topic worthy of story material are often quite telling. Particularly when such efforts go awry.
If this is true..i wonder how the PS4 will be.
It's teh power of teh Arm Cortex A9, ok that doesn't have much of a ring to it...
Lol....the Arm Cortex A9 doesn't really sound as charming as the Cell. Maybe we should just shorten it to "ArmCor 9"?
Just call it A9
Powa of the Core....
Sounds like the name of a Ratchet weapon
Armored Core 9? What? Lol. :P
Its "Hardcore" :)
The power of the Cortex... or The power of the A9
did i said day 1?? yeah i did!
Getting it day 1 too! NGP, is going to be amazing.
Same here.. I want to buy it now! NAO!! :D
It's amazing how is easy it to sell a garbage hand-held to you guys with lies. Obviously, any hand-held device at this point in time is incapable of producing PS3 or even 360 like graphics. The original PSP had garbage games and I would have think very hard about purchasing this. This is shameless propaganda to sway people away from 3DS.
Just buy your 3DS and ill buy my NGP.... Just like maybe you brought the DS while i brought the Psp....
Oooh, someone is butthurt. Aren't you supposed to be on some Windows Phone 7 forum or something? Let me rephrase your statment: "It's amazing how is easy it to sell a garbage (CONSOLE ie. XBOX360) to you guys with lies. "shameless propaganda"? Really? lol. Btw, Halo sucks :D
Delusional much? Anti playstation brigade out in force lol
i cant wait for it
2 analog stix = awsome fps experience.
wipeout HD was aparently running on NGP (obviously not in HD) and it did not lose its quality.
It is quite a possibility of this happening since Lets recount Ngp = CPU 2GHZ, GPU 800mhz+, Ram 512 up to 1GB(Rumors, but isn't the Iphone 512?, exactly) Ps3 = Cpu 7 x SPE @ 3.2GHz, GPU 500MHz, Ram 256x2 = 512 In short, yes the NGP is capable of moving or even emulating PS3's games at the given Sub-HD resolution for the NGP. In short, games like Alan wake, or below the remark can run easily on this lil piece of ORGASMIC machine. Doubt all you want mate, that is just FACT.
How many Ghz or Mhz the processor or gpu is running at does not tell you how powerfull it is so the comparison you did is pretty much useless except for the RAM which does hint that NGP might be able to have as good or better textures then PS3. However it has been said that the NGP is really strong at doing shaders and that it can do any shader the PS3 can do. I can believe that since it has 8x the shader performance of the Samsung galaxy S and 16x the shader performance of an Iphone 4. Pretty impressive stuff. It cannot push as many polygons as the PS3 though. Thats where the NGP is struggling (if you can say that at all) Also games like Alan Wake that already run at a low resolution is less likely to be able to run on the NGP then other games. Wipeout HD is able to run on the NGP because its scaled down from 1080p on the PS3 to 544p (or something like that) on the NGP. Im not sure exactly what resolution Alan Wake is running but its probably something like 640p. Scaling a game down from 640p to 544p is not gonna yield enough power for the game to run on NGP. I expect that pretty much every game that is 1080p on PS3 can be ported more or less without graphical downgrade to the NGP. If the game runs at 720p or below its going to take a graphical hit (or lower framerate) when ported to NGP
Thanks for the input mate, pretty much appreciate.
There is no way the NGP can "emulate" the PS3. But what it can do is run the same (recompiled source) code and the exact same assets (graphics, animations, sounds). MGS4 showed it can render the exact (!) same scene @20fps. Now, this possibly did not include any AI, physics or other. But it also wasn't optimized code but a straight port of existing PS3 code. With optimization it is likely, the NGP can run the exact same game as the PS3 does - on a smaller resolution.
Did I said otherwise? that was my remark dude, capable of running the same game if not better at given sub-par resolution, it is pretty much possible, emulating it though? was too exited :D. No to mention NGP posses a even better GPU and may also RAM, so expecting a better AI and environment too. @ Disagrees, guess I can easily taste your denial.
Klado, you have no idea what you are talking about and you pretend what you are saying are facts. Its not facts, its what you think is true and its really not. Im not saying your completely wrong with the message you are trying to convey, but you are definately overestimating the NGPs power compared to the PS3
The NGP does not have the "better" GPU. It has a last gen GPU with all the bells and whistles those come these days, namely better (more complex) shader support (PowerVRs own version, whatever that UNI shader is they promote so heavily). Bandwidth wise, I strongly doubt it will reach what the RSX is shuffling through the PS3's XDR/GDDR. I also doubt they can reach the 30GB/s bandwidth on a hand held device. This would be interesting to find, out though. Geometry will be a problem, but you got 4 cores to do some preprocessing? I don't know, could be possible. Since PS3 games do culling on the SPU this code could possibly be used on the NGP. Also, I do not think they will go with the highest clock frequency. 2GHz CPU and 800MHz GPU is a best case scenario, on the low end it's 800MHz+200MHz GPU. Anything in that range is possible. But we'll see. Heavily shader optimized games on the NGP will for sure look impressive. Particle monster like KZ3, I doubt it. Not even in lower res. SPU bandwidth is still unmatched.
Considering the resolution drop, I could see it working.
I don't know if that impressive or what.
I hope everything is transferrable to the NGP/PSP2......including PSn titles i would love some Dead Nations or Pixeljunk Shooter on the go
I can see that happening! The PSn titles I mean,since neither Dead Nations nor Pixeljunk Shooter is a graphical monster,although they are enjoyable as hell,so it might very well happen.
hell yeah...would love to be able to run around the house or country with some of the psn games on hand....zombie hunting on the run, burnout paradise, or any of the shooters that were already released but couldnt be enjoyed due to the lack of a second analog stick. i will be getting one of these asap
Dead Nation on the go will be amazing....
You can already play PJ Shooter on your PSP via remote play. Yes, its true. Not very widely known though.
lol sony pr
Very impressive.. But some compromises in graphical quality will need to be made though I'm sure 'cause the NGP doesn't possess the cell processor which is something that most ps3 titles take full advantage of. E.g. Killzone 3 & Uncharted 3 won't run flawlessly on the handheld without any graphical features removed or optimizations, those games harness all the power that the cell processor has to offer. amirite?
It's a given that at least the resolution will be much less. With such a small screen you can probably remove a lot of the graphical features without a noticing a change.
Yeah, nah, no KZ3 like stuff for sure. I hope they will start to exploit the NGP hardware at some point and do the same with those game there, though. At the same time, I hope the push from Sony to "multi platform development" (PS3 & NGP) will still allow for future games like UC3 and KZ3. Games which depend on custom code to achieve what they do on PS3. Porting this will not be easy or possible at all. KZ3 lives or dies e.g. on the amount of particles going on at one time. This will never work on the NGP.
I don't get why will people be interested in buying both the PS3 and PSP2 version on the same game. Is countinuing ur save on the go the reason? Well I I guess we should expect some combo packages that will have both version in one package.
Not gonna happen! Sony isn't stupid they might add some remote feature or anything that lets you play the game without the need to have 2 copies of it,that is actually silly.
The fact that the 360 was available when the PS3 was not couldn't be the only reason, DeadOrAlive3DS? The fact that the PS3 has sold and is selling faster than the 360 says that the $600 price point has nothing to do with the 360 being ahead of the PS3. Edit: GAH!!!! I fell for a 58 minute old troll account. I'm ashamed of myself.
Well iam pretty sure it will be close to the PS3.. Not resolution wise of course since the screen is 5'
The thing i love most about SONY is the way they give (us) core gamers every reason to be happy even if it means taking huge chances. Yeah, they want to cash in on all the other gaming markets but they still stay true to their longtime customers. Many will think that they are challenging themselves by releasing ps3 games for NGP but in reality, they are giving the loyal PS3 owners a great experience to be able to take the same game we play at home everywhere else, and at the same time they are trying very hard to attract the rest of the world by incorporating touch screen, and other nifty ways to play unique games on NGP. Whether they sell more or less than M$ or Nintendo, SONY stays true to us. That's what I love about SONY. M$ wanted to cash in on Nintendo market by creating Kinect which appealed a lot to families and kids, but the seem to have put all their focus on that alone and as a result we get stuck with only one good exclusive. Nintendo has been doing good I guess but IMO they only give true fans of theirs the same IP's over and over. nothing new has come from them in a long time.
No way, sorry. Might get a game like black ops in 540 or something without the effects and everything if it was built from the ground up. They could make games look like ps3 games on the small screen but no way in hell you can play uncharted 2, killzone 3 on that, sorry. How could a psp sized psp2 run the games of a big ass ps3 without the cell and the bluray everyone says next gen needs? Il eat my words if i can but il say no fu**** way ps3 games will work. If they got a ps3 this small why buy a ps3, id get this especially if it had tv out but that will come with ngp-2000.
Guess they didn't put a TV out on purpose. LOL
Except for an extreme downgrade in resolution, sound and AA. But a handheld doesnt need those on the same level as a console because 1. The screen doesnt have as many pixels as a HD one which means the GPU fills less pixels 2. You dont need uncompressed surround sound cause your either using A. NGP Speakers or B. Headphones 3. Your not going to nottice jaggys on such a small screen
btw, I don't think many have talked about this. That new menu you see on the NGP will very likely be PS4's menu as well, just like the XMB being born on PSP.
yea, we wont see xmb next-gen. i just hope we get a menu system that is built for the online connected world. it doesnt have to be like the Live Area Menu system from NGP.
I think the liveArea gui is suited only for touch screens. Xmb is perfect for a home console without a touchscreen. They probably won't have liveArea for ps4, because it wouldn't work as intended.
have you seen it? its not the same. Not by a long shot
This is completely off topic but, when I was young like back in the day when PS1 was new, I got a funny idea that I would develop my own gaming console and I called it A9 for no particular reason. Hehe it seems that the A9 although its not a console, its gonna pWn n00bz FTW!!!
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