PS3 Devs SEGA and Capcom Scared of Halo 3 Release

PS3 Center reports: It seems that according to rumors Capcom and SEGA are going to hold off on releasing and developing certain PS3 games as they want to wait and see how the market is after Halo 3 releases on the Xbox 360. This could be a possible sign that Capcom and SEGA want to see what kind of impact Halo 3 has on the video game market and how many sales of Xbox 360 units it garners. The news came at TGS when both companies stated that many PS3 games they had in development are now on hold. It is not a good sign that major developers such as SEGA and Capcom are basing releases on how well Halo 3 does...at least not good for PS3 fans.

[PimpHandHappy]

ummmm Halo is out this week? What games did these guys (capcom and Sega) have coming out this week to where it is being held back?

this is opinion and again

its a blog wrapped inside someone elses blog

classic N4G fare

[Capt CHAOS]

They are basically saying they need to re-evaulate their development efforts, and perhaps pay the 360 a higher priority than they have done, or perhaps have a look at the features on how HALO3 plays via xbox live and see if these are features they need to consider.

This is good for 360 AND PS3 owners.. Because ultimately, this will make the market and competition tougher and give some lame dev houses a quick slap across the face..

[lockload]

The devs are holding back PS3 games in development not release dates of games, basically they are losing confidence in the PS3 as a viable platform

Devs complained about the PS2 but the devs had no choice to develop for it it was #1 this is not the case anymore now are thinking hold on why put all the extra expense and effert into a PS3 game when it will sell 1/2 the units compared to other platforms..

Even the analysts are starting to question the PS3 the rot is starting..

This holiday season is make or break for PS3 devs will start to reprioritise on other more profitable platforms

[fjtorres]

They're delaying stuff in *development* not stuff ready for release.

Doesn't take much reading between the lines to see its stuff like DEAD RISING 2 and LOST PLANET 2 and whatever 08 HD-gaming projects SEGA is cooking up.

The issue isn't Halo per se, but rather the installed base of the two platforms. They're waiting to see how things shape up for the holidays and beyond. With PS3 sales back at March levels and 360 getting past the bad publicity of the summer, they want to see if the gap between PS3 and 360 is going to keep on growing before dropping more money into PS3 development.

That it is Japanese companies doing this is what's interesting.
If it were EA, UbiSoft, and/or Take2 it would be understandable. But japanese developers?
Most odd.

[tehcellownu]

Biggest crap of all time..capcom is known for releasing games mulitplatform and sqaure they have no plan for any games for the 360 accept for last remnant which will come on 4 disks..lol.. halo 3 is big but damn stop makin like its the end of the console war..only xbots will fall for this RUMOR..lol

[Witty Comment]

You guys should check out timecube. Secret\Nasim is a dead-ringer for that guy. It's hilarious.

EDUCATORS ARE EVIL AND STUPID. ALL WHO DENY PS3 IS EVIL AND DAMNED TO AN ETERNITY IN NON-CUBIC HELL.

lollerskates

[SonySoldiers]

Lol. Why would they believe in HAlo effect?
We don't have big games out for this year but we will next year or so!

Listen up... be patient, waiting is Golden!!!!!!! We cannot afford to delay new games any longer for this.

The Xbox 360 has the most powerful Graphics, but we have the most powerful CPU!

Yes there is bottlenecks issues on PS3's GPU but it doesn't mean game devs are going to lose the competition! New API's will help them to create mindblowing games!

[neogeo]

Microsoft will dominate the next round of the console wars. Why?

It has to do with overall strategy. The XBox 360 is another piece of the digital home, with the media center PC at the heart.

I have long been anti MS. But the truth is that the strategy behind using the XBox 360 as the delivery mechnism and the media pc as the hub is a strong one. MS products for better or worse have been easy to hookup and link together, and ease is what dominates at the end of the day.

MS will have you sitting in front of your TV, using your 360 to pull previously recorded shows or other entertainment from your media pc. The media pc already allows for multiple tuners, hence the ability to record from multiple channels at one time. You will be able to move from 360 to 360, and still be able to maintain one profile for Xbox live, or saved games.

MS realizes that the world still sits in front of the TV. Sony may have better products at the end of the day, but the lack of a truly homewide strategy will be the real killer, not the games.

One wild card in the bunch is Comcast, and Time Warner. What will they do? Will Sony try and partner with either one or both? If so, what is the impact?

[Bigmac573]

Putting any game up against Halo 3, save for maybe Final fantasy or MGS would be suicide.

[Capt CHAOS]

See above, they are talking about stopping development until they sit and listen, not stopping their game releases over the next few weeks..

[devilsadvocate]

How would what choice of game i purchase on PLAYSTATION be affected by halo? Maybe if i was buying ONE 360 game then yeah.

[fjtorres]

Its not about your purchases or your investment in Ps3 or 360.
Its about SEGA and CAPCOM's investment.
Basically, what they're pondering (and at this point its just pondering; lets not jump to conclusions, here) is whether they'd be better off releasing two cross-platform HD games next year or 3 360-only games. Not an easy question to judge. It takes 18-24 months to get a game out the door and there is no telling what the market is going to look like in XMAS08/Spring09.
Will Halo push 360 to 18 million by January?
Will Sony bite the bullet and release the $399 PS3 in november instead of april?
With each game costing $20-40 million to develop, a bad bet on PS3 could wipe out all the profits from the 360 side. So they wait for the Halo storm to hit and see which way things trend. Maybe they end up delaying the PS3 release by 3-6 months.
Maybe they cancel the PS3 versions.
Or maybe they do a completely different game that is PS3-only with the resources that would've been used making the 360-games multiplatform.
Many ways to play this particular game.
Problem is there are more ways to lose than to win.

[devilsadvocate]

i appreicate your informative post, and yeah, good points.

[ip-student]

You are correct. The other thing that is interest, at least to me, is that the second Sony releases a $400 PS3, MS will likely drop the price of the xbox 360 to $300.

They would have done so already but sales are decent and they are still getting the falcon into the system (why push sales if you are concerned about warranty issues - even if the new heat sink solves the issue). Once the Falcon is in full flight, I suspect MS can make a profit at $300. So trying to make sure the PS3 can match (or stay close to) the XBOX 360 this console generation is going to bankrupt Sony if Sony isn't careful.

And assuming the above is true - there doesn't seem to be much chance for Sony to catch up until the PS3 reaches a mass market price ($300 or less) - a price level where consumers don't care about the difference in cost and can buy it only for the games. And without catching up, there will never be the games. Sony is looking at one heck of a chicken versus the egg problem. I hope things work out - I like the effect of competition - and the Nintendo Wii is not going to push MS all that much.

[stonedog]

this can only be bad news for Sony. PS3 needs games yesterday b/c the competition has such a head start in terms of install base. The delay of games being developed by Sega and Capcom is in no way positive. Indeed Sony may have to cross some palms with silver to move matters forward. When the original x-box came out there was a dearth of games after the intial excellence that was the original Halo. Sony is in the position the M$ was with the original X-box. So they have to spend money to get content. This means that they are going to have to give third parties incentive (bribes if you feel less charitable) to get decent content. Sony has just announced that it is going to give more support to developers so as to facilitate content; one would have thought that they would have made this effort earlier. One of the previous comments was that the PS3 is a 200 mph sports car vs. the 360 which is a 60 mph car and that the 360 sucess will limit this generation of console. I would suggest that if Sony wants to show off the ability of its 200 mph super car it should put some bloody petrol (gas)in the thing. Its been said before it will be said again it is the games that count and Sony has little to offer at this juncture. Halo 3 is huge and Sony has no answer to it in 2007. 2008 may be a good year for PS3 but how much further behind will they be after x-mas 2007.

Presently Sony does not seem very adept at hadling it third place position. All they presently have is promises; and this is in the face of major RROD fiasco.

Let me be clear to the fan boys who this diatribe will uspset; I wish to see competition between Sony and M$ b/c that way I will get interesting game to play b/c of competition.

[AcidRhain]

saved films.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

yummy.

can't wait to save crazy action, and go through it frame by frame...

why can't it be Tues mornin yet?

See you all on after i get my copy.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Even if it's an opinion, it's true.

If they were to put anything up against Halo it would get destroyed in sales.

[Gamer luv]

Yes, Halo is here, and dont we know it.

[wageslave]

Your missing the point. Sega and Capcom aren't delaying PS3 releases because of Xbox 360, they are delaying development.

They can put off hiring external art & graphics teams, motion capture, marketing, hiring new people, audio and on and on... kind of slow down their projects.

Sega and Capcom are going to watch how badly Xbox 360 outsells PS3 in the next 3-6 months to know if PS3 is going to be viable.

[Kyur4ThePain]

They would stop DEVELOPMENT during the release window. What, are they all taking vacation?

[Gamer luv]

nooooo

Like the dude above said they will most probably stop so that they can include features from Halo 3 in there games, probably small things like little additions for Xbox Live and PSN

[Kyur4ThePain]

You don't stop the machine that is a development effort and everything that surrounds it so you can see what "small things" you can add.

[stonedog]

the viability and profitability of the developing games for the PS3

[kn]

Will last through the Holidays... But not beyond. It will be business as usual in the game wars. This article is shallow-thinking opinion at best as anyone who has a few extra brain cells knows that Halo 3 is going to move SOME 360s and is going to sell a lot of copies, but one game alone doesn't decide the war... It takes a constant flow of good software and aggressive pricing to ultimately win the battle.

[Silver360]

If Halo 3 pushes 5 million more consoles over the holidays. That would be 16 million 360's out there and that is a good consumer base for any new system. Honestly Halo 3 is the the only thing that can push consoes sales like a price drop. Amazing !!!!!!

[darkequitus]

That is what the PS3 hasn't got at the moment, a flow of good game. not this year at leat - minus Multi-plat. With that argument they can't rely on single franhises such as MGS.

Doe anyone really think the 360 has no game for 08? be real

mi Wii will be given the chop soon. I will given sony the beifit of the doubt for now. But these delays and sh8t are starting to wear thin

PC/PSWii60 Gamer

Steam/xfire/gamespy/PSN/XBL : darkequitus

Currently playing:

360 - COD 4 Beta
PC - Crysis demo/MP beta
PS3 - HS

[kn]

There is no way in hell Halo 3 *by itself* is going to move 5 million consoles... Isn't going to happen. I'm a *huge* 360 supporter and Halo fan, but I do happen to live in the real world. I suspect that Halo 3 will be solely responsible for moving a few hundred thousand units over a few months but it is all the other stuff, in combination, that moves the hardware... Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Gears, Bioshock, and so on...

Those that are expecting Halo 3 to end the console war right here and now are delusional. It will certainly help to keep 360 momentum STRONG going into next year, but the games simply have to keep coming. I didn't say they weren't coming... I'm just saying they need to continue what they have done so well this fall...

[Snukadaman]

if it moves 1 million xbox 360's thats good for a non holiday month...but 5 million...thats fanboy talk.

[stonedog]

that Halo 3 does not by itself decide the war. But it will be a subtantial boost to the install base b/c of the excitement it is creating then add the other games such as Mass effects and COD4 (and yes I know the game is multi)which are all on the 360 and you have compelling reasons to buy a console that is offering games today as oposed to future promisses of great games. The cumulative effect of all these games is an overwhelming X-mas for the 360. The Wii of course will also continue to sell since it is good family entertainment. But development delays of this kind if the source is reliable is extremely significant for Sony which is struggling with content.

[Azures]

I'm glad Halo 3 is releasing, its gonna leave people wondering what the hell MS is gonna do for 2008.

[toughNAME]

good thing Sony knows what their doing for 2008

...Unchartered, UT3, Haze...

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if you can understand that..

[fjtorres]

Well, lets see...
Too Human
DMC4
SC4
Halo wars
Maybe Peter Jackson's Halo Chronicles
Maybe Fable 2
Last Revenant
Infinite Undiscovery
Ninja gaiden2
GTA 4
Sacred 2
Fallout 3
And, yes, thousands upon thousands of Halo 3 end-user-created game types cooked up with The Forge.
Worry not; 360 isn't going to be lacking premium content in 08, even if Gears of War 2 doesn't show up until 09.

As for Halo, there's really no telling just how many 360s Halo will sell; me, I think the analyst that said 30% of Halo3 buyers would be getting a 360 at the same time is off. No way is Halo 3 selling a million xboxes in one day. But it might sell two million in sept-october. Just in time for Naruto and Mass Effect.

This really should have no effect on PS3; Sony's fate is in Sony's hands.

[Douglasp]

UT3 and Alan Wake and RE5. And those EA update rosters sports games and WWE and TNA games.

[stonedog]

Halo and the other X-mass releases give M$ the momentum they are looking for 2008 will take care of itself as the increased install base will only make the 360 more compelling as the place to be for third parties if they want to move substantial amounts of games and make a decent profit

[lockload]

##they are talking about not developing the game for PS3 period##

Not just holding game for realease while halo3 comes out if the 360 goes gangbuster this holiday season these devs may drop the PS3 version altogether

Why sepnd more money developing a game on PS3 for 40% of the sales of other versions

[Ju]

Why not ? Say you'll make a profit anyway (I'd say they do almost with every game). OK, 100k * $1 == $100k, right ? So, say, you make $0,80 on the PS3 (costs more do develop), and you'd sell 40%, that is 40k * 0.80 = $32k. Right, why would you want to make $32k, you already made $100k (I'd say $132k > $100k, simple).

It doesn't seem the PS3 sales have an impact on 360 sales, you can simply grow the total sales, no matter what. Sure, you need a higher cash flow, and that's probably the only reason to consider (if you got no cash and have to invest another 100% into another dev team, well, sure, that is a problem - but then, there might be third parties who could do that for you).

Also, I'd guess, that over that holiday seasons Halo sales have a negative impact on other games (on the 360). It will keep 360 players busy for a while, which I would guess pulls them away buying other titles.

I think there is an opportunity especially for the PS3, because the publisher don't need to fear the Halo competition on that platform. I don't know how many PS3 users will go out a buy a 360/Halo rather then buy, say UT3, Haze (Halo Light ?) or what not.

I might go out and buy a 360, but not necessarily for Halo, but AceCombat 6, MassEffect and, well, sure I'd give Halo a shot (I don't really care about Bioshock and GeoW). But this holiday season I'll go with Uncharted, Ratchet and Haze, and rental for some others. (UT3 if it's got an acceptable mission mode).

Hm, I do not really understand what Sega and Capcom is trying to say. If they want to sell to the Japanese market, they should better keep the PS3 dev running. Except, they mean "Halo for the Japanese market". Could well be that Halo moves consoles over there.

[kss]

crazy monkey

[toughNAME]

ps3center is being paid off by MS!!

[toughNAME]

Im not surpised

im still wondering why PGR4 is being released only a week after

their should be no games released 2 weeks before...and 2 weeks after H3 release

[predator]

this could hinder the release of dead rising 2 and lost planet 2 becoming multi, i think thats what capcom r waiting to see

[Gamer13]

Good move by SEGA and Capcom if true.

[cervantes99]

Sony has been the market leader for over 10 years now - they are not just going to fold their tent and go home. They are getting spanked now (in the U.S.) but they will get the installed base up. Another price drop is coming and I'm sure there are many cards yet to be played.

This xmas belongs to Microsoft though. There is just no game (other than MGS) that can command such fevered interest in the market.

So buy both systems so you can enjoy all the best games now and in the future. If you don't have enough money, then get a better job!

Simple as that - REAL gamers have both or all three or 4 or 5 systems

easy for me to say right???

[NanoGeekTech]

Real gamers are like pimps....you cannot call your self a pimp if you only have one hoe.....you are only a true gamer with more than one system...I have an 360,PS3,& PSP...... And I hae a love hate relationship with my PS3........

[Sayai jin]

Intersting, but what people are forgetting is that MS will counter Sony's price drop with a another price drop with the 360. Which will always be less expensive than the PS3. Basically I do think that Sony was hungry enough early on. They are really trying to push blu-ray , now I know it is packaged with the PS3, but if Sony wins, Sony's profits will sky rocket. Since the own 33% of the tech. I own all 3 current systems.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

avoid the cycles of the MINDCONTROL

why do ANGELS have HALOs over their heads?

[THAMMER1]

WHy do you have the symbol of illuminati for your avatar?

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

why it`s on the $$$.

more than why i use it.

this is extremly off topic. lol.

i started this.

sorry.

[eagle21]

I did not purchase a PS3 for Halo 3. Sony has never had Halo, what could be the big deal? 360 publishers should be scared that Halo 3 multiplayer will keep 360 owners from purchasing and playing their games. PS3 has pure heat with my most anticipated titles Uncharted and hopefully Unreal Tournament 3 this fall, and you know the heat Sony has next year so....And capcom is multiplatform this gen anyway, they better not pull a devil may cry 4 again! It's exclusive...no it's not...yes it is...what a headache! Make whatever it is for PS3 and 360, it is the fair thing to do! They owe PS3 one exclusive though.

[ceedubya9]

Yet pro Sony people will praise Warhawk and Fall of Man as being great games. I can't see how anyone that enjoyed those games would not at least want to give Halo a try. Halo 3 will sell big, but don't count on it keeping 360 owners from buying other games. If there is one thing that you can count on, its that owners of 360s are all about buying games. One blockbuster game just won't be enough. Yes, many people will buy Halo 3, but while playing that, they are also looking forward to snatching up PGR4, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Rock Band, Guitar Hero 3, Call of Duty 4, and many others.

[Sayai jin]

Eagle 21, I did not give you the diagree, becuase it is your opinion, but you do not speak for all PS3 owners. I for one wn a PS3 and can not wait for Halo 3. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people on the fence (frustrated by the lack of games or curiosity or what ever you want to call it). Even if what you said were true about PS3 owners that would not matter. MS is trying to get the undecided and others alike to want H3, beacause that would mean that they would have to buy a console. Remember that 360 owners have the largest attach rate (meaning they buy the most games for their systems. Oh yeah, no body owes Sony anything, or MS for that matter. It's about money. It will take cold hard cash (Larger install base) to get exclusivity. Sadly to say MS has be obliterating Sony at this.

[EDF 2017]

Sony is the little Bitc# this console generation. I find it quite amusing, to say the least.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

pretty funny that how that works, huh?

[PimpHandHappy]

I know a few but i cant think of any that have held my interest in awhile..

The thing that is really disapointing is that Sony guy saying they are going to focus on the PS2 more in the coming months! Thats just plain crazy and that guy is really good at putting his foot in his mouth

anyway

peace

[fjtorres]

Remember, Wii is actually less powerful than PS2 *and* more expensive.
If Sony can't get PS3 pricing and games to where it can compete with 360, they still can beef up PS2 to compete with Wii.
Don't forget, along with the $399 PS3 rumor, there was a *second* rumor floated of a new PS2 iteration with the Sixaxis, Built-in HDD, more video memory, and a scaler chip.
PS2 has always been video memory starved (4MB? please!) so jacking up the video memory would cost almost nothing and let the PS2.5 do HD games and still sell for $149. Release a few PSN patches to enable HD versions of the best PS2 releases and you'd have a Wii fighter ready for XMAS.
Perfectly sensible.

[Ju]

That PS2 thing makes sense for Sony. I think they have the pressure to make profit. And the PS2 does that for Sony. The PS3 has a long way to got to replace the PS2 - simply for pricing reasons. There won't be anything available around the $100 range at any time soon.

About beefing up the PS2. Well, yes, that could be a good idea. I am not sure if a PS2+ at $149 makes more sense then a PS2 at $99, though.

A PS2+ would also have the trouble that there will be another platform. If they'll do that they have to make sure that, what ever more features the PS2+ has, those game will run on the standard PS2 as well, and the PS3 can actually emulate the extended features. Not an easy task, IMO. From a business standpoint maybe a valuable option to compete against the Wii. Its an intriguing thought, but I don't really think its gonna happen (I would be curious to know, from a pure technical standpoint, though, if a PS2+ prototype does actually exist. Often these concepts simply disappear in the companies labs).

[Rooftrellen]

"Remember, Wii is actually less powerful than PS2 *and* more expensive."

It's amazing, with how so many people call the Wii "Gamecube 2.0" that so many others, and sometimes the same people, say the Wii is less powerful than the PS2, when the PS2 was a fraction of the power of the GC.

If you want to say the Wii is only twice the power of the GC, as most people like to say, its about 4 times as poweful as the PS2.

The PS3 is the first "graphics arms race" console Sony has let out, and the Wii is the first Sony-like (not competing for most powerful console) console Nintendo has released. It's an insole, not just to the Wii, but to the GC, Xbox, 360, and PS3 to compare the power of the PS2 and the Wii!

Also, its not a good move to try to keep the PS2 popular. It looks, at least to me, like Sony is giving up on the PS3 and wants to keep working on the PS2 because even they're losing faith.

[fjtorres]

...but in the graphics war, as you describe it, power is generally measured by shaders and textures and by HD support. The PS2 has limited video memory and some HD support but it has both. GC and Wii don't do shaders, right? CPU power by itself isn't enough, as the PS3 itself shows.
HD support in particular is going to be significant in the 08-09 timeframe. A PS2 with an added scaler could do in hardware what the 360 does in software for original xbox games; scale them up to HD and antialias the output on the fly. Same old game, new HD output.
As things stand, Sony has to do *something* to be competitive.
If they can't ship a $399 PS3 soon enough to make it count, a PS2+ might be a good Plan B.
Doesn't mean it would work, but its something they can try.

[Ju]

@fjtorres A scaler alone won't do. It doesn't give you any benefit over say a good scaler in an HD TV. The PS3 emu scales not to bad, but its far from being perfect. The 360 actually does not just scale, but re-render the XBox games in higher resolution. Something what you can't do, if you emulate the HW and the games poke into registers.

But, a PS2+ could simply have a 2x or 3x clock generator and let you run the EE and th GS with higher frequencies. It should be possible to run the EE at 600MH or so (compared to the 204MHz or what it does ATM) with todays technology. The GS bandwidth could probably be doubled, too. After all, it shouldn't be pushed to much -a) would compete against the PS3 and b) price range $99 (?)

All it could do is, to allow 720p output with existing textures due to the higher bandwidth. That mode could be simply emulated by the PS3. They would have to enable this mode with special code in the games anyway, I wouldn't expect old games all of a sudden use new features. The only diff would be, that NTSC/PAL/480p games might have no slowdown and sharp edges at 720p, but would still run on old PS2s. They should probably not clock the EE higher then 400MHz, or coders will pump more horsepower out of that thing then the PS3 :)

If that extension is planed wisely, it could built into the PS3, which would allow these games to run 720 on the PS3 as well. If it would run 720p on that PS2+ but 480p on the PS3, that would certainly be the death of the PS3. But, otho, that more power would just make HD possible, but not more shaders or physics or AI.

Whatever, technologically intriguing, but won't happen, I'd bet.

[Leg-End]

this is a rumor that has been put on a blog that has been put on a homemade (lol) website that has been put on n4g.

that means it's bull.

[icarus2256]

If you think for one second that even the mighty MGS would compete with Halo 3 you are out of your mind. I bet you were saying the same thing about Lair and Heavenly Sword. Hate to break it to you, but those just haven't exactly panned out well for Sony. But hey for Sony selling ~200K is a good thing.

[Real gamer 4 life]

i hate it when people are saying that the Playstation 3 is a failure, when it doesn't even have one year. in 10 months the ps3 has sold 5 million units which is very good. x box has 2 year going on its third and it has sold 10.5 million units. And then they say that the ps3 has no AAA title, but they dont seem to remember that it took 360 a whole year until it first AAA title came out. the Ps3 doesnt have a year yet. But on november 24 drake uncharted is going to come out and that will be the ps3 first exclusive AAA title.

[Dannagar]

Actually, Its hard to call the Playstation 3 a failure. Its really the first system to launch at a $600 price point and sell millions of units. Both 3D0 and SNK tried this but never meet a mass marketable user base. But there's a big difference between that time and this time. Prior to the Playstation 3's Launch, the Playstation consoles were number 1 all over the world. If Sony had just released the Playstation 3 with a regular DVD drive. They could have released the same system at around $299. And it would have retained it's title as #1. However Sony used the Playstation 3 as a Trojan Horse to get Blu-Ray into your house hold in order to capture another marked. Pretty much pricing themselves out of a competitive price point. Hence, they lost their own market to Wii and Xbox 360. I wouldn't call it a failrue but being a distant third to your compeditors certainly is not a success.

[u got owned]

right on...

++ Bubbles for you

[BIGBAER]

Call of Duty 2 and PGR3 were launch games AND triple-A titles.

You can't even begin to compare the the PS3's titles (to date) against the quality and quantity of 360 games for the same time span. The 360 wins hands down!

[Douglasp]

But when comparing PS2 launch in America and 1 year later it had sold almost 8 million consoles. No competition in 2000 to 2001. FWD to 2007. With two good competitors the PS3 has sold 1.75mil in 10 months. A far far shy of what the PS2 had. Failure will only be decided if 3rd parties start to lower PS3 quantity of titles. Who knows where the market will be in April 08.

[Boink]

bubbles 4 u...

[TheZippo]

Sony had a whole year to prepare their launch and make it better then the 360's so why didn't they utilize that time and push some games out? They could've had an awesome launch.

[THAMMER1]

Look at the back pedaling PS3 Fan boys in this article.

[Ju]

Sometimes one has to admit that times are not rosy. Well, I think there is no denying, that the PS3 didn't really take off as expected. No matter how much Sony wants to push that argument. It is maybe acceptable, but way off from being competitive. (In that respect, I think see also the PS2 comments).

I wouldn't say its all lost, though. Sony will go thru that, but I think the time is not just right, yet. They need a price cut, and a higher saturation of the HD market (TVs and disk/media). They could probably do that this year, but that would cost them a fortune. I'd speculate, they are focusing on what they can do ATM and going a step back, getting the max out of this holiday season and coming back strong next year. Yes, I can live with that. Maybe they are coming up with something surprising this year, but after the TGS, I doubt that.

They are still building the game library. The PlayStation has always lived from lasting titles, not high risers to top the charts for a week and that's it. And I think this is still the case with current and coming titles. It just will take a while to get there.

[Real gamer 4 life]

mgs could compete with halo, now only could it compete but it can beat halo hands down. mgs solid has a bigger fan base then halo. heck even some of you hardcore x box 360 fan are mgs fans. people that haven't even played mgs games in their lives want to play mgs4. mgs4 will be a system seller for sure. that why everybody is crying to kojima asking him if mgs will come out on the 360, and no matter how many times he say that its a ps3 only you guys wont still believe it.

[Douglasp]

But didn't MGS3 sold only 3.7 million world wide.? While Halo 2 sold 9.2 world wide. Also MGS sells good in Japan, Halo doesn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[MK_Red]

Sega might be waiting for the Halo 3 effect but I believe Capcom made it's decision on next-gen long ago. They have released all their games for 360 and have had 2 successfull 360 exclusives so far. With DMC4 and RE5 no multi titles, it's pretty obvious that Capcom is with MS this round of console wars.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

They are threating to take away what from the PS3? They got nothing, everything is multi platform.

[Mars Attacker]

Which would you invest millions in if your were a developer? Look at the software sales and you'll find the answer.

PS3 is losing ground quickly - rather than gaining ground in console sales. I'd be canceling PS3 games too if I were Capcom and Sega.

[goodganja]

Devil May Cry and RE5 are multiplatform.

Anyway, it's idiotic for Sega and Capcom to shift development over ONE GAME THAT SUCKS @SS anyway. Xbots will be too busy playing halo to play their dumb games anyway.

Let Sega and Capcom go to 360. We dont need their @ss anyway to get to tha top!!!

[JCDenton]

Yeah, Sony and it's fans don't need EA, don't need UbiSoft, don't need SEGA, don't need CAPCOM... Who, the hell, is left to "lead PS3 to the top"??????????

[gamehendge]

"according to rumors" I stopped reading there

[Snukadaman]

but then again there were rumors of the ps3 price cut...the xbox 360 elite...eternal sonata going too the ps3.....and they all came out true.

[Leg-End]

there were also rumors of a ff7 remake, what happened there?

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

I think this rumor is wrong, I just don't believe Capcom was developing anything big for PS3. Capcom gave up on PS3 a long time ago as far as making exlcusives.

Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 5 all multi platform.

[BIadestarX]

I think you sony fanboys are failing to understand Capcom and Sega motives for doing this...

Noticed they said, "Development".... that means that games being made for the PS3 will be place on hold.. it's not that they are afraid of Halo and dont want to release their games... it's more like... waiting to see how large the xbox 360 installbase gets in order to decide if they should spend their resources only on the xbox 360.
So, if halo moves consoles... you can say bye bye to many PS3 games being made by capcom and Sega.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

But they took Devil May Cry 4 and Resident Evil 5 multi. Afraid of getting wet when you're already soaked?

[rogimusprime]

I like how you profess doom on any rumor so long as it pisses on sony. If you were REALLY happy with JUST your xbox, you wouldnt be in here all day trying to convince other people to make buying decisions.

its a rumor. Might be true. Might not be.

So don't speculate. You have zero creditiblity unless you work for Sega or Capcom.

[Silvanos]

Actually "they" say Capcom and SEGA are going to hold off on releasing and developing certain PS3 games.

I do believe that says releasing and developing and in that order.

[367 To Your Ass]

or did we just ignore that and thought that squarenix was lying.

[genericname]

Someone just posted a rumor that your a moron, should we follow your logic or common sense?

[rogimusprime]

...that's foolish. It's a new system. I really don't even think this is news since its a rumor, but I'm sure every developer out there is acutely aware that Halo 3 was going to be released this month for a good year now. So I'm sure they already adjusted their business plans accordingly.

I shudder to think what would happen to sony if SEGA (the company sony put out of the console business) stopped developing $hitty sonic games.

Capcom moves units, so that's a different story.

But delaying development for all your games for a 1st person shooter is lunacy.

[SimmoUK]

Can anyone here post news articles, I have a statement from Capcom themselves here that states:

"That's all hear-say and hype. There is no truth in that, at least from the perspective of Capcom. I can't speak for SEGA."

CAPCOM SUPPORT TEAM

Anyone who can post the article with the copyed proof i will direct in the right direction...

[Rooftrellen]

I can prove the PS3 price cut didn't happen, then, too.

Just look at the week before it happened, Sony was denying a price cut like crazy.

That's as much proof that the price cut never happened as you have that Capcom isn't stopping development on games for the PS3 for a while.

This may just be a rumor, but surely you learned your lesson that just because a company says something doesn't mean its true.

We don't know if its true or not, and you do nothing but provide "proof" which can be provided to contradict things that actually did happen, such as with the PS3 price cut.

[Goshyujin_Sama]

Niether Capcom nor Sega would stop developing PS3 titles just because of the Halo 3 release. This is such fanboy Xbot troll looser hype!

[LeShin]

Maybe Capcom and Sega are waiting to see how well Halo 3 does so they'll start to concentrate on making fps games. To be honest I bloody well hope not! There are enough damn fps's out and coming out already and I reckon it would make the gaming market VERY stale.

I STILL don't understand what this Halo 3 fuss is about and I enjoyed Halo 1 immensely! Especially when things like Bioshock, Unreal Tournament 3, Crysis and Call of Duty 4 are out or are coming out. To be frank, I don't think Halo 3 is gonna sell a substantial amount of Xbox's in the near future because I reckon if you really wanted Halo and were a huge fan, you would already have bought an Xbox,which is what most fans already have done. I don't think an average Joe would buy a console for Halo if they weren't really a fan to begin with as their are a LOT more fps's like I mentioned which seem to do more with the genre

On another note: saying the PS3 has failed already (this is getting really old) is a bit redundant, since Sony still have at least 3 MAJOR exclusives ( and maybe one megaton of a game :))coming which will sell consoles.

MGS4
FFXIII
FFXIII Versus

If you think these games aren't going to be console sellers (especially in Japan with FF) you're retarded. I don't remember a FF game ever getting lower than a 9......in fact I don't remember a MGS game ever getting anything lower either :)

No, the "war" is far from over....

[ceedubya9]

first off, to say that most Halo fans that wanted Halo already have a 360 is a bit premature. With that logic, we could say that those who want MGS4, Killzone 2, or Final Fantasy XIII already have a PS3. If that is the case, then nothing really changes does it? If people are waiting to buy a PS3 for its biggest game releases, then its quite believeable that people are waiting to buy a 360 for its biggest game releases. Also, Capcom and Sega want to see how much of an effect Halo 3 will have on the industry. If it does give a bit more of a push to the 360 install base, then you can bet that they and other develpers will take notice. Right now, the PS3 install base is low compared to the other two. Where would you rather put your game? On a console with 3+ million potential buyers, or one with 10+ million potential buyers?

[power of Green]

It's beyond me why MSFT would even alow with-in their power for Lost Planet 2 and Dead Rising 2 to go to PS3.

I don't even think those two games would be the same graphiclly on PS3 I hope they didn't get far in development with those titles with PS3 in mind LP and DR are graphiclly advanced I would hate to see dumbed down titles or held back titles.

They know that Halo 3 can turn the 360 to a standard that can not challanged for the rest on this generation like GTA for PS.

[tehcellownu]

dead rising 2 or even lost planet will come to the ps3..all this is just rumors..like capcom and sqaure would come out to say this crap..

[power of Green]

Remember Its not just Halo 3 although its going to lead the charge with sales its Ace Combat, PGr4, Naruto, Multi platform games, sleepers and other exclusives like KUF/COD and Mass Effect that will amplify the Halo 3 effect by 3 fold. This will countine through 2008 with games like Lost Odyessy, Too Human, Splinter Cell, Alan Wake etc.

This isn't going to be a simple case of an Halo 3 spike in sales only lasting a few months after Xmas, Halo 3 will continue to push while other AAA's are being releases for the rest of 2008. This is what Capcom and Sega must see and Halo 3 will bring a continuous shopping season starting now lasting months after Xmas.

[u got owned]

...

[NextGen24Gamer]

All the 360 Gamers, Myself, and all of the Sony Fanboys agree with you 1000 Percent buddy. The Halo 3 effect will last for over a year and will be multiplied with all the other AAA titles releasing from now through 2008. WOW

[u got owned]

PS3 fanboys are in denial, things for the X360 are looking very good...
and this is probably why Capcon and Sega are holding on development of PS3 games, I know PS brand was king, not anymore (same thing happen to Nintendo and look they are on top again), maybe next gen, not this one, enjoy gaming and stop been such a fanboys. Go out and by a x360 is the way to go this gen. Plain and simple.

[felidae]

lol

[Chris_GTR1]

you can tell all the tards dont know how to read this news. it says games that are currently in early stages have been stoped and the companies are waiting for halo 3 and to see if its sales skyrockey because of it. if they do they will re-evaluate their games and release them on 360 also.

[BLACKJACK VII]

More developers seeing dollar signs & preparing to Jump In.

[dale1]

see what capcom say in london

[Nodoze]

Point of reference is that I own a 360. That being said, I still think that Microsoft's numbers are falsely inflated for console sell through. Some of those numbers will reflect replacement consoles for the defective consoles.

As for Sega and Capcom holding development...I just don't buy it. To be honest if Sega closed it's doors today I wouldn't shed a tear for them. They have been releasing shovelware for years. Capcom is another story. They have great franchises and are a strong developer.

I also dont think that the sell through for new 360's is not going to be nearly as high as analysts think. Considering the strategy MS adopted of all but abandoning the original Xbox with the release of the 360, the true loyalists have already bought the console. This is also evident in the pre-orders for Halo 3. Someone who does not have a 360 would not put in a pre-order. This is THE game release for the 360. If this does not spur the sell through that is 'expected' I would be worried if I were MS. This would indicate saturation.

Now consider Sony. They don't yet have a killer app released yet. Additionally they are still milking their roughly 100+ million user base. Once a true AAA is released and some of those PS2 users start migrating, I think we will have a true insight into this war.

Sony's showing at TGS left much to be desired (Kaz needs to wake the fock up), but it is gaining ground in Japan.

Sony is down, but most certainly not out!

[d3l33t]

eh who cares? won't change my plans

[367 To Your Ass]

Rumors are just remnants of are imagination.

Look at FF7 fans still looking for artifacts and prof that it will rise again.......its like religion.

[d3l33t]

im getting really tired of reading anti sony articles. I can understand providing an argument, but its been a sea of mudslinging for too long

[power of Green]

The devs are talking about fanbase growth doesn't matter if you think the numbers are fake the week by week sales is proof enough, they need to think about what games are worth putting on PS3 and what games need to be on the 360. Simple...

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

AHHHH! wew just woke up from a nightmare, come here my 360 give me a hug.

I'm almost kinda maybe starting to feel sorry for PS3 owners, what happened to the PS3?" WOW! 1st to last. Oh yeah I remember now, it was Blu-Ray over games and then "no games"

[Silvanos]

I am just fine with my PS3.

When I get the urge to play 100 different FPS's I will buy a 360.

For now I have more games than time to play them.

[BulletToothtony]

come one guys, do you really really believe that the ps3 will fail because of halo3? are you serious?? do you truly believe that companies will tell their devs everyone stop working and go home because i want to see if halo3 kills the ps3

yesterday was all about ps3 news, now it's back to halo3, it might seem like a dream of yours for sony to come out and Jack Tretton say, we're stopping ps3 production because halo3, but guess what the ps3 it's still selling and will take off by the holidays.. by then halo3 will still sell, but not as much, and if that rumor it's true that mgs4 is coming out in the 07 winter, then there's not much hope for halo to keep selling systems like most people think

stop dreaming and realize that the devs are not gonna throw thousands and if not millions and stop their productions for ps3 because of a game it's just extremely stupid to do so.. how many own a company? i do and the most important thing it's money, stop thinking with fanboyism and don't believe these stupid rumors, they're just sad

[vgn24]

I can't help but laugh in the face of every Sony fanboy who tried to kill the story yesterday when XboxFamily broke it. Face facts. Your precious PS3 is hurting. Next time, don't think "reporting" a story will make it go away.

[d3l33t]

halo comes out this week? i thought halo 2 was delayed

[spammy_nooo]

stupid.

I KNOW that mgs4, ffxiii, ffxviii, ffvii remake(if it comes out) and kz2 will each move TONS of ps3's.

one game, no matter how poplular, can NOT end a console war in this day and age. Maybe if one system had pac-man and the other just had a blinking dot but this is 2007 guys. halo 3 is big, but not big enough to bring down sony.

anybody who thinks the war is being ended because of this is an idiot. Sega and Capcom are doing this for a legitimate reason and im positive its not CANCELLING games. it might be bringing games multi-plat or something.

could it be possible that the hype about halo 3 is just hype? I've been 'excited' about it but im not buying it because I didnt play halo 1. a LOT of people didnt play halo 1. hmmmmmm. I know its not likely but still, Halo 3 might not move quite as many copies/360's as some of you fanboys hope.

[Trick Nolte]

Agreed. I like the 360 but Halo is an over rated franchise. I bought the first one twice! I sold the first one because it was so drab in land scape and those red and blue aliens are lame. I bought it again because people kept ranting and raving so I thought- ok maybe I'm missing something. Nope it is what it is, Halo an average FPS.

Gears blows this POS out of the water. Halo is the biggest mind fucc in gaming from part 1 to part 3. I guess its good that MS has a flagship title in the way that Mario is a flagship for Nintendo. Things like that really boost sales so more power to MS, Bungie and Halo fans.

I aint hatin. Success is success but there are games like Gears and Bioshock that should do the numbers that Halo does.

[thornh]

I live in the U.S. and love my country but in the world of videogames Europe and Asia really matter. Sony may lose a larger part of their market share in the U.S. but MS will NEVER be as popular in the rest of the world (it's an American company, remember. The EU (huge anti-trust decision held up last week) hates MS!) Wii is a wonderful fad that will pass into obscurity over time and when FFXIII, MGS4, GT5 hit, the rest of the world, particularly Asia, will stop sitting on their hands and start buying PS3's. Wii will still be fun to have around but companies like Capcom, Namco, Sega, Square will also start shifting their priorities. No doubt, though, in the U.S. the 360 may hold off the PS3 for a few years.

[vgn24]

You bring up the most valid points on this forum. MS needs to expand it's appeal outside the US and GB.

But think about this. If japanese games are being put onto the 360 and not the PS3, that could change the outlook of gamers. Japanese gamers may hate MS, but they may also want certain games. The only thing Sony should fear is a domino effect. If the impact of this influences other publishers to follow suit, it could change a lot. This of course is all "theoretical".

It's not unheard of for a couple publishers to influence others.

[xg-ei8ht]

I noticed again, today, most shops that you go into that sell ps3's.

Most places you cannot play the games, they just have the hd video playing showing some games and movies etc.

Yet you can have hands on with 360, like i saw someone today, was a flatout demo, and it was pretty nice looking.

But that makes alot of diff hands on.

[Trick Nolte]

means definantly for some people. FF7 was RUMORED to be at TGS and like an ass I believed it. I'm not falling for this Rumor Sh!t anymore. This article doesnt even make much sense. The PS3 is the flagship system in Japan alongside the Wii. Capcom and Sega are Japanses companies. Xbox360 BARELY EXIST IN JAPAN So whats to be scared of? Halo will sale well, we all know that but not in Japan. The PS3 base isnt shrinking last time I checked. This doesnt make sense. The only effect Halo is going to spawn is date shifts, if that. But you wont see Capcom or Sega turn its back on Sony or Japan for MS.

RUMORS :/

[Shaka2K6]

Have you seen the graphics, this must be a joke right, this is 2007 how can a killer app a this year look like trash from 2001.
either way no real gamer takes Halo seriously its an overated POS any real gamer knows that.
its like a popular pop star, it will sell million of cds but everyone that knows about real musics knos this is crap, same goes for halo.

[Trick Nolte]

Damn man! You started that flame right under me and I dont even have my fire proof suit on,while you settin it the fugg off. I need some snacks for this sh!t

[vgn24]

This story that posted last night. Does it look familiar?
http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

[Capt CHAOS]

yes, that one should have been approved, not this one.

[0LDSCH00L]

"Real gamers" have all systems eh? With my pay I could go out and buy 2 PS3's tax included and a couple of games to boot!Why dont I, well.. allow me a bit of time to dust off my old PS2 vs XBOX argument...ahh yes!.. NO GAMES!!! beside's that, Im not buying into Sony's hype this gen, I've been gaming since 1977 and had some of the very first consoles (Collecovision, Intellivision, Atari Nintendo,including the later PS1, PS2 & XBOX1) on the market in the begining, and the one's I did'nt, my friend's did! Including some of the first PC's (Vic 20, Commadore 64) so yea.. I would consider myself "A REAL GAMER!" My experience through the years has taught me that fresh idea's & new technology is good but, "MAINSTEAM TECHNOLOGY" alway's prevails! some of the most important thing's about the 360 are "MAINSTREAM", from the General purpose Multi-core CPU (vs CELL) to the rumble controler and, (inferior disk space) DVD! so it's not just the lack of games, I just don't think that the PS3 is going to be around to see the end of 2009! so there is'nt any need to justify PIS*ING away a few hundred buck's on a system that I feel wont be arround much longer!

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Frankly that sounds like a stupid move. Why do you think Ea makes almost all of their games multi for profit of course, and we know Sega isn't doing that good as of late (reusing sonic too damn much). Plus it would be kinda stupid to dump a game for a console which they have wasted over $1mil for.

This is pure speculation and nothing more atm, I rather hear capcom and sega say that themselves. And if they are deciding on install base , then they should just go to the wii.

[vgn24]

You do remember they were the first to say no when it came to publishing games on the Dreamcast. So using EA as an example actually hurts your argument. If you're saying EA is smart, then you're saying that only publishing on the biggest selling systems is smart. Is that what you want to do?

[jackdoe]

Er. I read it as a rumor. Should be reflected in the title.

[SimmoUK]

this is BS, capcom haven't said anything like that they've already released a statement on it, alot of people couldn't give a **** about Halo...

Microsoft's had Halo twice before and look where they are now some people are so short sighted pull your head out your arse!!

[ceedubya9]

You are right, Microsoft did have Halo twice before. However, before you call anyone else shortsighted, maybe you you should stop and think for a second. When the first Halo hit, Microsoft was just getting into the console business. Halo 1 sold Xboxs and so did Halo 2. But of course, the Xbox still didn't beat the PS2. But you know the difference between then and now? Xbox 360 isn't the late console to the market like the original Xbox was. By then, the PS2 already had a healthy installed base and plenty of games and support. Microsoft isn't the one playing catch up. Sony is. The 360 has more consoles in homes, plenty of game support, and huge system selling game on the way in a few days. If Halo 3 can push more consoles, it will just make the gap wider. Sure it won't completely destroy the PS3, but it can definitely add to Sony's problems. The more consoles in homes, the more 3rd parties are eager to put games on it. Halo 3 wouldn't be the end, it could just be the beginning of the end.

[test123123]

PS3 lack of games and Master Chief (M$) will burn you :)

[d3l33t]

words of wisdom from someone who obviously read the post! GJ!

[RussianSniper]

Who the hell gives a crap about Sega and Capcom?

All Capcom has is Resident Evil 4, and that's multi platform for sure considering how much money they would make.

Sega? What the hell have they done? I could care less about their f*cking sonic games.

[PS360PCROCKS]

HAHAHA! I have the PS3 but this is funny to me only because "Ha Galo 1.5 sucks and doesn't matter" eat your words, eat your words

[Guitarded]

Be very afraid!

[ReBurn]

I imagine that a lot of companies do try to avoid releasing their games around the same time as a major blockbuster. I wouldn't want my game hitting the shelves at the same time Halo 3 does. Also, if Halo 3 moves a lot of systems this holiday it could make a huge difference for a developer with limited resources when trying to decide what platforms to release games on.

[Shaka2K6]

The beta killed the series.

[GRAMPAGAMER]

it's a quality franchise that only gets better with age, the ripple effect of halo will be chonicolized as long a human dna dominates the earth.

you my friend are already infected, but you just don't know it yet.

[sicknnyc]

yeah halo sold well just wait a few month when MGS gets here I'll my friends are waiting for Rachet, Unreal, and MGS

[The Dark Knight]

MGS is a failure if you saw the vid on Kotaku he said its crap.

i find this really funny lol

[Trick Nolte]

MGS is a failure? I havent seen that happen since it first appeared on the nes. I dunno who's more retarded, the tard who said this on kotaku or you for listening to such non sense.

Do your research on Metal Gear so you dont come off looking as remedial as you do now son.

Its fine to love your 360, Its nothing wrong with that. Just dont knock something that you obviously know nothing about.

[Tone]

Some people here really need to get out and get a girlfriend.... or a job!

[Snukadaman]

With no announcements of dead rising 2 or even lost planet 2....also with no attempts at making dead rising and lost planet for the ps3 seems like they are watching the market...all the mix ups with sony are starting too catch up with them. poor nasim.

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

Lol,actually I'm not,I just happen to own a PS3 from the ALLTIME GREATEST GAMING CONSOLE CO EVER!!

WILL BE PLAYING B3YOND THE 25th BIATCH!!
HALO3<pwns>fanbots ^ LMFAO!!!

And for the bots who don't know:ACE COMBAT6 is multiplat~HAHA

[batman2million]

Lovely rumors! make people go crazy!! I remember sony saying they are going to move 11 million system by i think march of next year?

I doubt that. keep in mind, these companies need to make money, favoring one of the other is just stupid, whether it be Sony or MS.

nonetheless, halo 3 will move systems. i personally know 3 ppl who jus got a 360 for that game.

[black28]

In 2008 360 will sell more hardware and software.The biggest advantage 360 new IPs. mgs4, killzone2,and ffxiii been done before.HALO 3 will sell more in 1 day, than mgs4 and killzone2 combine. MASS EFFECT VS ffxiii, Thats a no brainier MASS EFFECT in game look better any game cgi.New 360 IPs TOO HUMAN,ALAN WAKE,LOST ODYSSEY,and many more.
360 AAA games sell 400,000-800,000 in 1st week ps3 40,000-80,000.
multi games 360 sell 4x the amount.Saga and Capcom know this.

[The True Gamer]

Lets be real, I really want to buy a PS3. But there is no games to justify it. I am a hardcore gamer and I keep track of all gaming news even though, I only have a Xbox 360. But, everytime I think I want to get a PS3. I think about the games. The only thing I see in 2008 that I want for PS3 is MGS 4. Everything else that I would want on PS3 is coming to Xbox 360 also. I want FFXIII also, but that is 2009. But, anyone who thinks that HALO is the only game Microsoft is counting on is miss informed. In my opinion, 2008 is looking sweeter. Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden 2(ppl get of the graphics, game is still in development and team ninja all does good in the graphics department), Fable 2, GTA 4 extra content, Marvel Online, Alan Wake, possible Gears of War 2, Too Human, Splinter Cell 5, all these will be exclusive to Xbox 360. So, it makes it will hard for me to want to get a PS3. If I have a problem buying a PS3 and I am a hardcore gamer and play any system, you know game developers are going to find it hard to developed for it also, for the same reason I stated. But Wii on the other will have a lot of games that only that system can provide, which why i might go the WII60 route and wait until christmas 2009 to get a PS3, that when it probably be best to get one than because there would definitely have a lot of games I want and it would be affordable and its online and home will should be working greatby then.

[leon76]

"News for Gamers" or "Bullsh*t for gamers" ??????