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Treyarch: Devs getting burned by angry entitled fans

Developers who try new things are being burned by "pundits" and "angry entitled fans", according to Treyarch, developer of Call of Duty: Black Ops.

Black Ops community manager Josh Olin believes more and more gamers seem to forget what the industry is all about: creativity.

"It's a creative industry – the most creative form of entertainment in existence," Olin told Nowgamer. "Too many developers who try new things are getting burned by "pundits" and angry entitled fans who look to be contrarian, sometimes simply for the sake of being contrarian.

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ArtsyGamer2815d ago

"Black Ops community manager Josh Olin believes more and more gamers seem to forget what the industry is all about: creativity." --
He thinks fans of that series want creativity? That's like thinking Madden fans want creativity. They just want new rosters, just like CoD fans just want new maps.

Venatus-Deus2815d ago (Edited 2815d ago )

Creative Industry?

You’re working for the wrong developer mate.

I'd just be happy if you got your network people sorted out the broken host migration before I actually bought and played the game...

...It would also be nice not to have the other team call in 15 care packages in the first 2 mins of a team deathmatch on the day the game is launched.

Pixelated_Army2815d ago (Edited 2815d ago )

Oh so it's our fault that you produced a hacked POS that was only playable on one platform? FFFUUUUU

Treyarch was brought down by Treyarch...but it did get some assistance from the PS3 and PC communities.

Yeah son! Yeah!!

zootang2815d ago

I think people would settle for the same mechanics and better graphics?

KillerBBs2815d ago

Black Ops community manager Josh Olin believes more and more gamers seem to forget what the industry is all about: creativity.

Josh Olin forgot what all industry is about! Your costomers! The fans! your client! idiot.

I just want to game to work on-line.

HolyOrangeCows2815d ago

They're consumers, not "angry entitled fans"

Anon19742815d ago (Edited 2815d ago )

He's got a point though. It's tough to be creative out there and that's part of the appeal for casual game developers. When you make a FPS, or RTS game for example, the problem is the market you're selling to are already fans of the genre. They have certain expectations because they're familiar with these types of games. When you try something new are try to get creative with the format, you're often punished by the fan base because it didn't live up to their expectations.

Just remember back to the outrage that surrounded Zelda: Wind Waker - for example. It was a fantastic game but many gamers familiar with the series lost their minds at the changes that were made.

I remember reading comments by one of my favorite developers, Tim Schafer regarding the expectations that go along with making a big budget game in a set genre compared to the creative freedom that comes from making a smaller, downloadable game targeted at more casual gamers. That's why we aren't seeing innovation with our big budget games, because the fans say they want it, but they really don't and that's a painful, expensive lesson to learn.

Thankfully though, developers are finding the downloadable market and casual gamers more receptive to creative projects, and games like Flower, PixelJunk Eden and Limbo are finding success.

AngryTypingGuy2815d ago

Gamers are the biggest bunch of whiny bitches I've ever seen. And hypocritical too. On this very website, if MS steals an exclusive from Sony, they're thieves, but if Sony steals an MS exclusive, all is fair and right with the world.

BattleAxe2815d ago

I didn't realise that downgrading graphics and having terrible party and game connectivity along with no security against hackers (PS3) was an element of "creativity" in the industry.

Or maybe you could call it "being creative" as no other developers are doing these things lol.

ComboBreaker2815d ago

N4G is so full of negative peoples who complains all the time. They talk about games all day long, but they don't ever buy any of those games.

paintsville2815d ago

I think the only "Angry" consumers are ps3 owners.

ShinMaster2815d ago

I can't believe they keep buying COD games, lol

LoVeRSaMa2815d ago

'Josh Olin believes more and more gamers seem to forget what the industry is all about: creativity.'

Its about creating a game that F*$%ing works!

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r1sh122815d ago

Im not sure why hes talking about creativity?
Nothing in black ops has drastically changed from previous COD's.
The only reason why 'pundits' and angry fans are making noise is because the game doesnt work on 1 platform.
The other platform is does work on has many issues as well.

JeffGUNZ2815d ago

Wagers matches, COD points, theatre mode? Come on, they did add a lot of content to the game. They are not going to change the core mechanics which make the game appeal to the masses.

sobekflakmonkey2815d ago

I agree, when it comes down to the base gameplay it fuckn sucks, i got bored of it soooo fast, and i played MW2 for like a whole year prior to Blops' release, Blops was and still is a failure, yeah sure it sold alot at first, but it really has no lasting appeal to me, and the fact they brought up creativity just pisses me off...treyarch is the least creative game company EVER, and they can suck it.

joydestroy2815d ago (Edited 2815d ago )

lol creativity? well they weren't very creative by just changing the ranking system, a few weapons, and some maps. be INNOVATIVE!

as an old CoD fan, that's what i want. not just new maps.
sold my copy and shipping it off today

KZ3 MP demo starts tomorrow!!!

karl2815d ago

there really is an MP demo? like a public demo? that i can download an play with u tomorrow? or alone , thats fine ..

haha now really... its not a closed beta right? im to full of hope right now... answers pls...

joydestroy2815d ago (Edited 2815d ago )

public demo that you can play with others. yes.

it might not hit the store until thurs though. i'll use an EU account to get it early possibly

DA_SHREDDER2815d ago

Your just a hater, if you dont like the game stfu and play something else. Want a tissue sissy?

visualb2815d ago

no.

this is not subjective

treyarch are sub par, and this statement is hilariously pathetic.

as if they have EVER been creative...with their super creative videogames

HAH

make me laugh

xAlmostPro2815d ago

No Josh Olin i think fans are annoyed(in your situations) because the games broken

BkaY2815d ago (Edited 2815d ago )

you gave me another reason not buy your crap... and proper word you are looking for is "consumers" not "angry entitled fans" ... you DickHeads

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GodofSackboy2815d ago

WHAT!!!!!!!SINCE WHEN IS COD ANYTHING TO DO WITH CREATIVITY!!!! COD4, COD4.1, COD 4.2 and COD 4.3 HAVE BEEN EXACTLY THE SAME!!!! AAARRRFFFHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGG

calm

!!!!

outwar60102815d ago

lol when you charge 10 pounds you should really give more than 4 generic maps

BeaArthur2815d ago

Hahaha, the developer of one of the most stagnant franchises is talking about creativity. Classic.

Biggest2815d ago

"It's a creative industry – the most creative form of entertainment in existence," Olin told Nowgamer. "Too many developers who try new things are getting burned by "pundits" and angry entitled fans who look to be contrarian, sometimes simply for the sake of being contrarian.

"The only thing this attitude aims to achieve is stunt that creativity and innovation even further, which is something that no rational gamer looking to be entertained would want to do."

As long as he isn't talking about himself or his team OR his publisher. . . I agree with him. Gaming journalists and gamers alike are gluttons for more of the same and shun anything outside of the box. But it isn't their blame alone. Lots of developers that try new things pick the wrong new thing. Look at SquareEnix's attempts at a new age RPG. There were a few brilliant ideas covered up by a mountain of terrible ideas. Mirror's Edge is an example of many great ideas that were somehow buried by a few mis-steps in execution. I think they're saying that you can't win often enough to try. If you do strike gold on a new(ish) idea, the best course of action afterward is to keep polishing that gold until it turns into a turd. Assassin's Creed is doing that right now.

BeaArthur2815d ago

Yeah, I know what he was saying, I just found it to be incredibly ironic.

Pandamobile2815d ago

Gamers getting burned by greedy developers charging $15 for a couple maps.

roflcopters2815d ago

developers themselves don't make more money if you buy add-ons, their yearly salary remains the same. its the publisher that benefits from good DLC sales.

Pandamobile2815d ago

When the developer is owned by the publisher, it all goes to the same place.