Treyarch: Devs getting burned by angry entitled fans

Developers who try new things are being burned by "pundits" and "angry entitled fans", according to Treyarch, developer of Call of Duty: Black Ops.

Black Ops community manager Josh Olin believes more and more gamers seem to forget what the industry is all about: creativity.

"It's a creative industry – the most creative form of entertainment in existence," Olin told Nowgamer. "Too many developers who try new things are getting burned by "pundits" and angry entitled fans who look to be contrarian, sometimes simply for the sake of being contrarian.

[ArtsyGamer]

"Black Ops community manager Josh Olin believes more and more gamers seem to forget what the industry is all about: creativity." --
He thinks fans of that series want creativity? That's like thinking Madden fans want creativity. They just want new rosters, just like CoD fans just want new maps.

[Venatus-Deus]

Creative Industry?

You’re working for the wrong developer mate.

I'd just be happy if you got your network people sorted out the broken host migration before I actually bought and played the game...

...It would also be nice not to have the other team call in 15 care packages in the first 2 mins of a team deathmatch on the day the game is launched.

[Pixelated_Army]

Oh so it's our fault that you produced a hacked POS that was only playable on one platform? FFFUUUUU

Treyarch was brought down by Treyarch...but it did get some assistance from the PS3 and PC communities.

Yeah son! Yeah!!

[zootang]

I think people would settle for the same mechanics and better graphics?

[KillerBBs]

Black Ops community manager Josh Olin believes more and more gamers seem to forget what the industry is all about: creativity.

Josh Olin forgot what all industry is about! Your costomers! The fans! your client! idiot.

I just want to game to work on-line.

[HolyOrangeCows]

They're consumers, not "angry entitled fans"

[Anon1974]

He's got a point though. It's tough to be creative out there and that's part of the appeal for casual game developers. When you make a FPS, or RTS game for example, the problem is the market you're selling to are already fans of the genre. They have certain expectations because they're familiar with these types of games. When you try something new are try to get creative with the format, you're often punished by the fan base because it didn't live up to their expectations.

Just remember back to the outrage that surrounded Zelda: Wind Waker - for example. It was a fantastic game but many gamers familiar with the series lost their minds at the changes that were made.

I remember reading comments by one of my favorite developers, Tim Schafer regarding the expectations that go along with making a big budget game in a set genre compared to the creative freedom that comes from making a smaller, downloadable game targeted at more casual gamers. That's why we aren't seeing innovation with our big budget games, because the fans say they want it, but they really don't and that's a painful, expensive lesson to learn.

Thankfully though, developers are finding the downloadable market and casual gamers more receptive to creative projects, and games like Flower, PixelJunk Eden and Limbo are finding success.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Gamers are the biggest bunch of whiny bitches I've ever seen. And hypocritical too. On this very website, if MS steals an exclusive from Sony, they're thieves, but if Sony steals an MS exclusive, all is fair and right with the world.

[BattleAxe]

I didn't realise that downgrading graphics and having terrible party and game connectivity along with no security against hackers (PS3) was an element of "creativity" in the industry.

Or maybe you could call it "being creative" as no other developers are doing these things lol.

[ComboBreaker]

N4G is so full of negative peoples who complains all the time. They talk about games all day long, but they don't ever buy any of those games.

[paintsville]

I think the only "Angry" consumers are ps3 owners.

[ShinMaster]

I can't believe they keep buying COD games, lol

[LoVeRSaMa]

'Josh Olin believes more and more gamers seem to forget what the industry is all about: creativity.'

Its about creating a game that F*$%ing works!

[r1sh12]

Im not sure why hes talking about creativity?
Nothing in black ops has drastically changed from previous COD's.
The only reason why 'pundits' and angry fans are making noise is because the game doesnt work on 1 platform.
The other platform is does work on has many issues as well.

[JeffGUNZ]

Wagers matches, COD points, theatre mode? Come on, they did add a lot of content to the game. They are not going to change the core mechanics which make the game appeal to the masses.

[sobekflakmonkey]

I agree, when it comes down to the base gameplay it fuckn sucks, i got bored of it soooo fast, and i played MW2 for like a whole year prior to Blops' release, Blops was and still is a failure, yeah sure it sold alot at first, but it really has no lasting appeal to me, and the fact they brought up creativity just pisses me off...treyarch is the least creative game company EVER, and they can suck it.

[Persistantthug]

Delusional nerve.

[joydestroy]

lol creativity? well they weren't very creative by just changing the ranking system, a few weapons, and some maps. be INNOVATIVE!

as an old CoD fan, that's what i want. not just new maps.
sold my copy and shipping it off today

KZ3 MP demo starts tomorrow!!!

[karl]

there really is an MP demo? like a public demo? that i can download an play with u tomorrow? or alone , thats fine ..

haha now really... its not a closed beta right? im to full of hope right now... answers pls...

[joydestroy]

public demo that you can play with others. yes.

it might not hit the store until thurs though. i'll use an EU account to get it early possibly

[jetlian]

KZ demo hits the 4th.

[turgore]

exactly.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Your just a hater, if you dont like the game stfu and play something else. Want a tissue sissy?

[JeffGUNZ]

Amen brother.

[visualb]

no.

this is not subjective

treyarch are sub par, and this statement is hilariously pathetic.

as if they have EVER been creative...with their super creative videogames

HAH

make me laugh

[xAlmostPro]

No Josh Olin i think fans are annoyed(in your situations) because the games broken

[BkaY]

you gave me another reason not buy your crap... and proper word you are looking for is "consumers" not "angry entitled fans" ... you DickHeads

[GodofSackboy]

WHAT!!!!!!!SINCE WHEN IS COD ANYTHING TO DO WITH CREATIVITY!!!! COD4, COD4.1, COD 4.2 and COD 4.3 HAVE BEEN EXACTLY THE SAME!!!! AAARRRFFFHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGG

calm

!!!!

[outwar6010]

lol when you charge 10 pounds you should really give more than 4 generic maps

[BeaArthur]

Hahaha, the developer of one of the most stagnant franchises is talking about creativity. Classic.

[Biggest]

"It's a creative industry – the most creative form of entertainment in existence," Olin told Nowgamer. "Too many developers who try new things are getting burned by "pundits" and angry entitled fans who look to be contrarian, sometimes simply for the sake of being contrarian.

"The only thing this attitude aims to achieve is stunt that creativity and innovation even further, which is something that no rational gamer looking to be entertained would want to do."

As long as he isn't talking about himself or his team OR his publisher. . . I agree with him. Gaming journalists and gamers alike are gluttons for more of the same and shun anything outside of the box. But it isn't their blame alone. Lots of developers that try new things pick the wrong new thing. Look at SquareEnix's attempts at a new age RPG. There were a few brilliant ideas covered up by a mountain of terrible ideas. Mirror's Edge is an example of many great ideas that were somehow buried by a few mis-steps in execution. I think they're saying that you can't win often enough to try. If you do strike gold on a new(ish) idea, the best course of action afterward is to keep polishing that gold until it turns into a turd. Assassin's Creed is doing that right now.

[BeaArthur]

Yeah, I know what he was saying, I just found it to be incredibly ironic.

[Pandamobile]

Gamers getting burned by greedy developers charging $15 for a couple maps.

[roflcopters]

developers themselves don't make more money if you buy add-ons, their yearly salary remains the same. its the publisher that benefits from good DLC sales.

[Pandamobile]

When the developer is owned by the publisher, it all goes to the same place.

[theonlylolking]

The funny part is, is that the only thing they did in the COD series was zombies. Everything else is just what IW did. Customizable emblems was IW's treyarch just expanded on it.

[JeffGUNZ]

IW brought theatre mode to COD? Did IW bring COD Points to COD? Did IW provide wager matches to COD? Nope. Treyarch did.

[theonlylolking]

Play older CODs

[sobekflakmonkey]

im gonna be honest, cod points are kinda fuckn stupid...it seemed cool at first but it just gets annoying..they way the set it up was just not a good idea..

[jetlian]

splitscreen campaign, and online. Oh yea add vehicles too, Add better KS!!

[JeffGUNZ]

I have played all the COD's, and the stuff I mentioned were not in any of the previous COD's. I am missing your point?

[gillri]

oh deary me

[ironcreed]

Entitled? Hell, if I pay $60.00 for a game, I simply think that I am 'entitled' to be able to play the damn thing. Too bad such was not the case with Black Ops multiplayer on PS3. Don't blame gamers for getting upset that they bought a broken game that YOU developed. That is where the anger is coming from, Treyarch... and rightly so.

[Pozzle]

Burning?

Um...It's not as though gamers are holding guns to devs' heads and forcing them to make games the way they want them. Burning, pffft! If it hurts so much to listen to us, then just don't listen. It's not like we're *gasp* trying to help devs improve their games with our feedback! /sarcasm

[Mikelarry]

i pay 60 dollars and you offer recycled crap which sometimes can be passable but you then push your luck offer me recycled unplayable crap with over priced dlc with a broken party system GTFO

[Der_Kommandant]

Fallout New Vegas did the same to me

[gypsygib]

New Vegas is The Worst!! It's still not fully fixed, I understand a game that large will invariably have some bugs that get through but I can't even walk without the game stuttering. That's something that is very apparent and annoying, it's the game movement for Christ sake.

[thesummerofgeorge]

Agreed. As fun as New Vegas can be, it's the most unacceptably buggy game I've ever played. I'm surprised there wasn't a bigger deal made of it. It's clear they've just given up on fixing it, it freezes constantly, and perpetually stutters literally everywhere when you walk around, and that's just the beginning.

[WiIIiam]

Guys who have made their careers by copying a better developer (Infinity Ward) really shouldn't be advocating for creativity. I can guarantee if Treyarch fell apart like Infinity Ward did, no major publisher, like EA, would be rushing to scoop them up. Wow, I feel like such a bastard for saying that, but Olin's comment just rubbed me the wrong way.

[Redempteur]

créativity ? Lool

Before créativity a bug free game is what should matter first .

[Der_Kommandant]

Creativity and Black Ops don't belong in the same sentence

[dinkeldinkse]

I am surprised this guy has creativity in his vocabulary.

[retrofly]

Gaming industry "used" to be about creativity.

Now its all about profit, share holders, market grwoth and graphs that go up.

Developers may be creative themselves but their creativity will be burned by share holders and executives than players.

I think players respond to new and innovative things well, but I also think they are too harsh on devs that try something new.

it must be disheartening for devs to work hard on something, only to find forums full of people saying how shit it is.

[edgeofblade]

It's the trolls. The internet is full of them, and many of them try so hard to pretend they aren't. And guess what? The vast majority of people are playing the games and enjoying them, not trolling the internet for their next well-delivered snark and well-deserved pat on their own back.

The internet is broken. We have tapped into the psyche of the nihilistic, anti-establishment, air-headed backwash of our collective comment sections and expect there to be some semblance of validity when that trash purports to be the "core" consumer is somehow worthy of having their voting wallets count twice. Or even better... they should get free votes because they're "real gamers".

Ultimately, that self-described core is NOT the core. The core is the mainstream that buys the game to be entertained. And they are the core, despite the trolls that oddly enough follow the hipster mentality more so than the gamer mentality.

I found Black Ops fun. I'll buy the next COD. And the next Halo. And the next Killzone. And the next Need for Speed. And the Next God of War. And the next Soul Caliber. Why? Because I can count on those games to give me EXACTLY what I expected. That's not the absence of innovation. That's the miracle of consistency.

[retrofly]

100% agree, 90% of people don't express an opinion on the internet, it seems only people wishing to express negative views troll the internet. Everyone who enjoys a game just plays it and gets on with their lives. You can't argue with how popular COD is, look how many people buy and play it, say what you want about COD being a cash cow, but millions of people love playing it, and its a game and at the end of the day that's what its designed to do.

[Undeadwolfy]

Not just creativity. How about STABILITY ACROSS ALL PLATFORMS!? Jerk... -_-'

[BLACKBOIJONES]

Lol...A COD dev is talking about creativity. Correct me if im wrong but im sure the last COD's has been the same old BS!!!!

[Corrwin]

As a developer in a small but profitable business software company, I can attest: "Customers are the fucking worst".

Always needy, always entitled. You think this just applies to Games? No, no, no, people will find any excuse to whine.

[gypsygib]

That's because when customers pay money for products they expect them to work properly.

[itsralf]

Devs are getting angry? Uh. Over what? The fact that nobody likes your horrible, broken POS game?
...I'm still waiting for my f*cking Black Ops PS3 refund over here.

[hot111]

Developers should stop paying attention to fanboy crybabies,nobody is forcing those losers to buy anything.If you don't like something take it for a refund and play something else.

[RedRedSuitSDF]

LMAO at all the haters. COD fans>you guys.

[WharenPeace]

I sincerely doubt that you're right MiD..uh! Josh Olin, but I can tell you one thing, you're well on your way to one bubble. Godspeed!

[RedRedSuitSDF]

Well on my way to one bubble because I think there are more COD lovers of the game, than COD haters?

You fanboys are incredible on this site. Truly incredible.

And I'll stick to what I say,... COD Fanboys > COD haters.

[mobijoker]

Really!!!What was NEW in your latest game?

[JeffGUNZ]

Wager matches, COD Points, Theatre Mode, new weapons, diving to prone, just to name a few. Come on, at least give Treyarch some credit for adding new and exciting features to the series.

[DaBadGuy]

Hey hey hey, I'm all for creativity, just make sure your creativity doesn't get in the way of making a competent game with working online so I'm not constantly getting bumped back to either the pre-game menu or the main menu because of server issues.

[Inside_out]

I really like the franchise and can't wait to see what Sledgehammer and IW have planned for the fans holiday 2011. I really like the additions Treyarch made to the game...just look at this great, creative additions...looks great as well, on 360 anyways...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Luckily, I can afford the map pack at $15 and downloaded it this morning...took about 10 mins. Ascension alone would be worth it to any fan of the zombie modes. The other maps look solid as well and are completely new...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

If you don't like it don't buy it. Hell, the same kids that hate the game are crying about the cost of the dlc...O_o...give it a rest and get a life. You guys hate EVERYTHING...lol.." angry entitled fans " indeed.

If everybody ( PS3 fanboys ) hates COD: Black ops as well as COD: World at war then why has the Treyarch games sold so well on Ps3, far better than any of the exclusives on PS3??? It's also at the top of the list on all the multi-player charts...lol

I think some kids are just upset it's a timed exclusive to the far more gamer/hardcore friendly Xbox 360.

[Undeadwolfy]

"why has the Treyarch games sold so well on Ps3, far better than any of the exclusives on PS3"

Simply because its CoD and so generic. Exclusives require a more subtle taste and some people like to buy multi-plat so that they can compare with the other platforms design. Its not just Treyarch's CoD's, its every CoD since CoD4...

[roflcopters]

hold the phone.... i thought that was the reason people bought the ps3 in the first place, all the great exclusives and not for the generic CoD?

[Undeadwolfy]

Ya true, SOME people did, others like me bought it for the Blu-Ray, Web Browser, 7.1 Surround, Other OS (when we had it), Sixaxis, Memory card slots (early models), Full HD support and overall a quality Sony product.

....aswell as the Exclusives ;)

[--------]

I don't care who Disagrees with me, Josh Olin is a massive d-ckhead, in literally every single way. End of discussion.

[verawarez]

I can assure you must play COD Online...

[--------]

I used to, then I played Black Ops on PS3. That's not the point though, the man is a glorified twitter addict. He's no community manager.

[RyuCloudStrife]

Man just f*ck Treyarch they OBVIOUSLY DONT GET IT..

And now that Olin dude has come out attacking gamers, WOW!!

I tell you Mr.Olin you don't even know what the c in Creative means CoD: Black Ops is NOTHING MORE then a DLC for MW2.. No as a matter of fact make it CoD:4 OK!! YOU LAZY DOUCHEBAG!!!!!!!!!!!

BE INNOVATIVE B!TCh.

[roflcopters]

I don't see why your all crying foul here, if you wanted something different why did you buy another CoD game? did you think it was going to be an action/rts/puzzle game? no, you knew what it was when you plunked down your $60.

[RyuCloudStrife]

i disagree with your main idea, but i agree with the CoD thing meaning what were we thinking when we forked $60. But you'd think a game that has no Modern Warfare in it would be something different RIGHT?

and the point you trying to make enforces the statement that Olin doesn't know what the c in Creative means...

[verawarez]

I think the COD Fans are really upset because Treyarch has made a negative comment for a game they are now buying, if the game is crap simply DONT BUY IT, and you won't have a reason to be upset

I think they are offended because it reffers to a game that they are actually buying, but this is true, the game market now it is not plural, the most people are waiting only for the games sequel all the time, each year same happens, COD, Halo, Gears, Guitar (now forgotten), no creativity, no plurality, just the same all the time

But that's not treyarch fault, that's the gamers fault, remember when snes, nes, and playstation times were a lot of games with not a leading game, the best for the market and the industry Treyarch said a true, and they have not made a "creative game" because people don't buy that games so they obey what gamers ask

But the demand wins, if they want cod, halo and gears, always will be offer

That is a normal situation for the market, if there are demand, would be offer

[Sub-Zero85]

How about doin somethin to fix the problem so us ps3 owners can play the game ...... I cant even play Black Ops without my ps3 freezing I had to uninstall the game completely !!!

[God_Of_Epicness]

Josh Olin needs to d!e. He's the guy who gimped the sniper. Although the quickscoping is back, it is not the same. You can't be as fast as MW2.

And sometimes, the hit-detection fails to register a kill. Fuc* you Treyarch, fuc* you Josh.

I want MW3! With quickscoping!

[gypsygib]

I was just angry that the PS3 version was significantly inferior in the graphics department to the 360 version. Forgive me if I found it strange that the previous version of COD looked essentially identical across consoles but for some reason, the PS3s framerate and resolution dropped substantially for this iteration.

The online worked no worse than previous games though, not perfect but definitely good enough. I still really enjoyed the game - it just has this feeling of disappointment hanging over it all the time knowing that it really should run and look better because it has before every game.

[MeNoRasta]

Liking black ops got the new maps,cant wait for more new maps.
And mw2 of course thats gonna be good.

[DFresh]

T_T

[MeNoRasta]

i ment mw3 my bad.

[DFresh]

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Treyarch/Activision blame the gamers for making their game crappy.

Give me a fucking break.

Perhaps if Treyrach oh I don't know made their network more secure, balanced the weapons/killstreaks, and fixed the host migration/spawning/bullet detection we wouldn't be having this problem.

But you didn't.

Sorry Treyarch you can't play the blame game on us.

-___-

You can take the PS3 version of Black Ops I bought and shove it up your ass.

>:)

Edit:
Sorry for the raging.
Have every right to be mad though.
:P

[Hayabusa 117]

Stop making out that it's only the PS3 verison that is half finished. I know the 360 version isn't as bad, but let's face it, the game look INFERIOR to COD4. They have no excuse. The bar has been set, and you must at least MEET it if you can't raise it. And don't blame the community for wanting more of what they enjoy (COD 4) just because you make a lazy ass follow up.

The first comment was right, they should have just released new map packs and killstreaks for COD 4, I'd be quite happy with that.

[Thoreau]

i play codbo and the game is lacking. onward to kz3

[Roper316]

"It's a creative industry – the most creative form of entertainment in existence,"

says the guy who releases the same game every year with little to no innovation or creativity put into the game. Same game with a new paint job and cover.

[edgeofblade]

Thank you for proving his point.

Hating COD is the mark of the new gamer-hipster, being "different" by following the different crowd.

[edgeofblade]

"simply for the sake of being contrarian"

Yes. This. For truth.

Gamers, especially those on the internet are fickle... to the point of being completely unreasonable. They survive on a steady diet of snark and faux-discernment. And it's not doing anyone any favors in this industry, least of all, gamers.

As it pertains to internet comments, I find game blog comments to be a half-step above racist, political YouTube comments. We, as a community need to GROW THE FUCK UP!

[Thoreau]

this is off the subject but moderaters, you guys are shallow bums.

[hellzsupernova]

they are pissed and angry cause you charged them $60 - $70 dollars (US) for an unfinished game! get over yourselfs Treyarch seriously finish the game next time!

[Masterchef2007]

Treyarch deserves all the hate that it is recieving. They are terrible devs when compared to Infinity Ward. I mean IW did a great job with MW2 with both versions being almost identical. Then comes Treyarch and they ruin the PS3 version. I mean if IW did a good job with MW2 why didnt Treyarch do the same with Blackops? And the reason is because they did it on purpose.

[Raoh]

In defense of the publisher and developer..

It's hard to take complaints seriously when sales are so strong. If the complaints were valid in their eyes the sales would show it.

Want a better game? Stop buying the crap ones.

[sprayNpray]

We had no way of knowing before hand that this game was so buggy. Many of us bought this game at midnight on the release day because we had come to expect a certain level of functionality based on the previous COD titles. Sure, they had a few bugs but for the most part they were fun and you could play for hours with little to no crashing/freezing/dropped connections.

But, I can assure you that I won't be taking a chance on the next COD.

[sprayNpray]

Wow treyarch....

You're that full of yourself, are you?

Yes, game development is about creativity. It's also about FUNCTIONALITY aka doesn't matter how good your idea is if it doesn't F***ING work.

For example:

Say you design the worlds most aerodynamic and beautiful car. It's a creative masterpiece. BUT, it has a gas tank that only holds 1 gallon of gas. It'll work for a little bit, but then it will run out of fuel and cease to perform. It was "creative" but not "functional".

Now it's a stretch to say black ops is the creative masterpiece you must think it is, but even if you want to say that it is it's still a failure because it is functionally broken.

So how bout this:
1. Stop enjoying the smell of your own farts
2. Have proper beta testing for your game before release, even if that means some delay.
3. Don't show favoritism towards any console regardless of how much money they throw at you

[FormidableOne]

Treyarch, like many other developers, are too focused on adding more content and innovation to a game than fixing what is broken in their system. They would have a dramatic decrease in complaints from their customers if they focused on improving the innovation that they've introduced in their previous games.

How long have we been asking for fixes to the networking and getting absolutely nothing as far as any type of fix -- and this is after numerous games have been released. To associate angry outbursts to their 'stunted creativity' is absolutely ludicrous. They should LISTEN to what the complaints are about and act upon them before they start pointing fingers.

[jetlian]

So much hate in the here and over a game at that. Maybe it truly is sony's fault. The jailbreak could be the reason and it could just be the systems online.

Can't compare it to past COD given they aren't made by the same people and they don't play the same. Unless something has changed ps3 still can't get 2 users signed on at the same time.

these types of things are OS issues more than anything.

[BigPenguin]

LoL, I am not sure what PS3 you have been playing, but the PS3 can have 4 separate profiles actively playing other games(warhawk, little big planet).

However, I have not played any CoD on the PS3(own MW, WaW, MW2 for 360, did not get BO), so its may just be once again because CoD is a shitty game.

Don't just spout off bullshit, saying its an OS issue, fucking stupid. No other game is broken like CoD online is.

[jetlian]

like warhawk and lbp have as much going on as cod lol.

yea i said os as in more ram used on ps3 than 360.

[BigPenguin]

LoL, do you know what warhawk is? It has 2x the amount of players as the max on CoD, it has maps that are about 8 times the size, it has ground, vehicular, and air combat. It is far more complex then CoD.

Seriously, are you mentally retarded?

To answer your next question, yes the PS3 has a larger OS footprint(last time I checked was ages ago, if that is no longer true, my bad), but it has had that footprint since MW1, and MW1-MW2 did not have all the problems of BO. Are you seriously this stupid? BO is broken, and the games before it was not, and you are blaming the system? Seriously, retarded.

[DistrbngThePeace]

first of all your game has next to no creativity, and how are gamers "Entitled". Sorry that we pay $60 and actually expect the game to work. This game was broken on both PS3 and the PC on release. Maybe it's fixed, don't know since I thankfully did not purchase the game.

[fullmetal297]

I miss Call of Duty =(. RIP COD Memories will never die.

[xlockingupthesunx]

LOL what an idiot. He's spewing bull about Creativity, yet Black Ops was World At War with new guns, a 'dive' feature, and new maps.

JOSH OLIN FAIL

[gcolley]

gamers are a bunch of dicks these days, he is right. as if they owe you anything??? don't like what they do, don't buy it. you all need to get over yourselves and your chickensh1t hiding behind the internet.

i am constantly amazed at the things people say on this site. must be those violent games creating violent gamers again

[haywood]

wow i must be an entitled gamer cause when i spend 65 dollars i want a game with a workin multiplayer u know like all 75 games i own have....must give them props on singleplayer though i never thought treyarch could make a good game since they have been robbing me blind every since early ps2 10 years ago.....but they live up to legend when u hit multiplayer loved yalls new modes and stuff just wished i wasnt playin a crappy beta......beta cause killzone 3 alpha phase played 10 times better than treyarch finished product..........quit consentrating on how fast u can rob us with 15 dollar map packs and fix the robbing u did with the game....luckily i got paid 10 dollars to play this crap and not lose 65 bucks like i ususally do

[foobar]

We'd just like a game that works.

[Captain Tuttle]

Reading through these comments I'd have to say the the guy is 100% correct.

That being said, I laughed at Treyarch pulling the creativity card and I love Black Ops.