Jaffe's lewdness pisses people off again
People just need to calm the hell down.
People are too sensitive nowdays. well you know what? EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED - as in deal with it...pussies =)
Women think everything is sexist these days. Literally anything a man does to a woman can be considered sexist. It is ridiculous.
Steve Hughes agrees http://www.youtube.com/watc...
@ Andrew Ryan Actually the fact that we as men dont realise what is so sexist is due to the reason that we are the privileged ones. Since men stand at a higher ground than women naturally. Yea that means women dont stand equally by the side of men, and thats not my opinion its fact. The ones who are not privileged feels the affects that only they can. So they understand the feelings of the sexism, racism, ageism, etc. Even some people dont realize if they are being the things I mentioned above to others. In this case Jaffe said a sexist thing but we as men dont see it as being sexist because we arnt the ones on the receiving end. Whether or not he intended it to be sexist, which i highly doubt, it still affected those women in the end.
meh ur only effected by sexism if u believe u are not equal to men :) So its the womans fault :P
@ Heartnet. thats one of the problems. Those who are privileged think its the ones who are "below" us fault. When the privileged ones are the cause of the problems. So thinking is the womens fault for the cause of men isnt going to fix it. In fact it only makes you oblivious to the problems since it doesnt affect you first hand. If it did, well then youd be the one complaining and the cause of your problems will be ignored for the very reason you stated about women.
this is crazy. women get tired of D$%# too. point was as things age you don't see it the same.
People are too sensitive nowdays. well you know what? EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE OFFENDED.
Lol double post disagree
lol, reminds me of this math "survey" i had at school. Almost are questions are about men better than women. WTF was my school thinking
Yeah, everyone needs to calm down. People are so sensitive nowdays. Supposedly in todays world we have "free speech". In reality we don't. Whatever we say have serious conciquences and many times things can turn into a shitstorm in minutes just because someone was offended by what we said even though it wasn't meant to be offensive. In today's world, I can't tell a black person that he is black because he get's offended. I can't tell a fat person that he is fat because he get's offended. I can't tell a bald person that he is bald because he get's offended. I can't tell a midget that he is short because he get's offended. I could go on but I'm sure most of you get the point. Today's world we do not have free speech. In today's world we better watch what we say more than ever. To be honest, it's bullshit. Everyone should be allowed to talk what's on their mind freely.
Typical. Get mad about this guy telling the truth. He hasn't hurt women or their image. You know what they should be upset with? Teen Mom - That show sets women back but they watch it and love it with no complaints.
Teen Mom, 16 and Pregnant, Any Celebrity Dating Shows, Jerry Springer, Maury, The Real Women of (wherever the hell they are from this month), etc. ALL set the woman's lib movement back and...as you stated...they are watched and adored by droves of women.
Feminists can suck my......
@ lamback. If it weren't for the feminist movement then your mother would not have been able to vote. But yeah, this is your typical trash talk with no sexist intentions. People do need to calm down.
Grow the hell up.
Eh. Sounds like a big deal over nothing, imo. I'll never understand the feminists that cause an uproar about such unimportant and petty things, and end up making true feminists look bad in the process. Feminism has done a lot of great things, no doubt. Heck, I'm a woman myself and I appreciate that. But it's only great when it focuses on the REAL issues of gender inequality (e.g. women not getting paid as much as men in the workplace, etc). Not crap like "OMG! A man used the word pussy on twitter! He must hate women!!!" It's obvious what Jaffe meant, and it's obvious that he wasn't trying to insult women or say that women are lesser than men. Focus on the big issues. Not one man using a naughty word.
LOOOOL at disagrees...shame on you, shame on you.
Not so obvious... the use of the word actually is to put people down for playing, acting or resembling a woman. In NO way is it a good thing. In Jaffes use of the word he is using it to objectify women (which most of us guys do on a regular basis) we don't see anything wrong with it but that doesn't make it right. Did he mean to insult women... I don't think so. Did he insult women? Yes... not all took offence but he did insult them. And we guys (for the most part) do it all the time. Some women just prefer for it not to be done and voice their concern. An apology should be made if he insulted someone without it being the meaning behind his verbiage. Simple as that... Hiding behind the "I am intentionally crass and lewed at times because I think 2 many people are hypocritical uptight bizzy bodies" line...? Does that even help the situation? He doesn't even take responsability for his words in that verbiage. Bizzy body itself is a derogetory phrasing that we mainly point towards women who put their nose into places they shouldn't. And he just put his foot into his mouth with that. Also, the "However, no one has said a thing- man or woman- and so it doesn't occur to me." line... I think someone is saying something to you now. Maybe it is my military background that has imbedded the ideology into me...? But what you say and how people take it are often two different things. He will hopefully learn something from this? Or maybe not and he can pull a Don Imus? ha
I like your reply. Having put it into context I can see how some people can and do have the right to get offended. I'm black so I hate the N word...but my friends who are also black say it all the time. Just think every time its said its a derogatory thing and just further constitutes the image that its cool to be rude/disrespectful. Even though to my friends they are not meaning it in the negative way...it is in fact meant in that way. Weird eh. That being said...what are some words that can be used that can't be miss interpreted as any other word but what is being said, can't be racists, sexists, etc. But is still a good word to use when your bashing people/or shit talking. Hm...thoughts
"An apology should be made if he insulted someone without it being the meaning behind his verbiage." Nope. Why should he? This is bullshit. He didn't say all women are good for is p*s*y. He said it was all the same and from a biological standpoint it pretty much is. If these offended women had half a brain they would understand that. He has to apologise for saying the word p*s*y but MTV can exploit young uneducated mothers and trampy women in general and no one cares. They call that entertainment. GTFO
@graey Maybe not many words? But obvious words and phrases are what you would call instigators? And his word being one that usually can't even be said on television should give him a clue. And in his own words he KNOWS that he says things just to get reactions. It might be who he is and he hasn't come to the reality that his persona is not appreciated by many? He needs to figure out what works best within his work and what is responsable in the public speaking that he does. I am thinking if he represents a company then they might want him to reflect their thoughts on the subject or at least do so in public? If a Shock Jock like Stern gets fired over verbiage then someone who isn't paid to shock might be stepping the boundaries? @UnwantedDreamz Let me make it simpler for you. If you stepped on someones foot and didn't mean to would you apologize? Physical or emotional pains are neither justified too be haphazardly discarded.
I would apologise unless the person acted like an ass and demanded an apology. In that case I'd tell em to jump on a fat one and rotate. He should not feel forced to apologise. If he is sorry he offended anyone then he should. You can hardly compare accidently offending someone with words to stepping on a persons foot. Strawman Fallacy. We can debate the topic or we can debate stepping on a foot. I can make an argument fit a different situation too. If I were to say that I don't believe in god and a Christian got upset would it be right for me to feel obligated to apologise for my beliefs? When my beliefs harm absolutly no one? Words can only harm you when you give them power.
I never said he HAD to apologize. I said he should apologize. Two different things. Doing the right thing is not always the first thing that pops into peoples minds. As for the strawman fallacy I am assuming you are referring to it in that manner due to me over simplifying the insult? A person or persons was offended and by his remarks made he condoned his own actions as being his crass way in attempts to slap at those he feels are sometimes "hypocritical uptight bizzy bodies". As for your saying you do not believe in god and offending someone for your non-belief in in their dogma. That might be strawman tactics themselves? But to answer your question... I think that it is a bit different as stating your belief "without direct insult" versus his speech which was blatantly sexually suggestive in a negative way. (as he even alluded to in his rebuttal as being crass) I am not saying everyone needs to apologize for everything. But the situation if not meant to offend or instigate then an apology is always a welcome social retort. Now those MEANING to instigate are doing so for a reason... and thus an apology is not on their agenda, if that was the case then he would not need to apologize as offence was his motive. He stated he meant no offence... that deserves and socialy requires him to apologize if offence was taken.
Well it is true that feminists focus on stupid things sometimes. They also are usually the sexists themselves, because they never want to be equal with man, they always teach that women are better. Thus doing exactly what they are fighting against...
dammit i hate that mothef$#^%$^$#%^%
I'm tired of Jaffe's rants. *EDIT* He should just keep his mouth closed and develop games. Some people lack couth and professionalism.
then don't click on the article =| or is it like a sadomasochistic thing? you are tired of it but want it anyway?
So, he shouldn't comment on the article just because he didn't like it?
@visualb Sadomasochists don't tire of things and still want it. They truly enjoy the pain and/or abusive behavior.
Yes, Blacktric. That is how it works. If you don't like something, don't subjugate yourself to it. Get lost. If he offended your mother, let her ask for the apology. No one needs extra white knights poking their face into something that doesn't concern them.
Biggest - Actually the comment section is for expressing opinions, favorable or unfavorable. It's each individuals choice. The comment section isn't reserved exclusively for any one perspective...YOU get lost.
The comment section may be used for that. But if he is tired of the Jaffe rants, why read them? It's obviously something that he doesn't enjoy. Find something else to do with your time. Him being in the comment section isn't in question. His dislike of Jaffe and unwillingness to stay away from Jaffe is in question.
The comment section is just as much for having a discourse about things you dislike as much as things you like, get over it. "Find something else to do with your time. Him being in the comment section isn't in question. His dislike of Jaffe and unwillingness to stay away from Jaffe is in question." In question?? What the hell are you even talking about? We aren't limited to only reading news or articles with information we agree with... Nobody needs you to tell them not to read it. What others do with their time is their business, nobodies opinion requires your approval. The irony is, you tell him not to read Jaffe's comments if he doesn't agree with them, yet you can't take your own advice when it comes to his comment... See? You can criticize his comment, but he can't criticize Jaffe's? Hypocrite.
So he's not a professional because he said a word? Ahhh.... Such is life.
His problem is that he's ALWAYS saying things.
Or these are just the things that are reported haha.
yes you elementx you said a joke about Iraq people and planes yes you did if anything you should just keep you mouth closed for about...... forever
I remember, but I was drunk when I said it. This isn't about me. This is about a public figure who thinks his sh!t doesn't stink and who is constantly going off on tangents and rants.
a public figure the man makes games hes not a freaking president and half the time he rants hes drunk as well so i have no idea why people are freaking out. and weather you were drunk or not that was uncalled for
i don't think the issue was that big. i think one-two people mentioned something, and this website is making a mountain out of an anthill for hits.
Sexist?...NO...classless?...ma ybe...Inappropriate?...ABSOLUTE LY. You can take the ape out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the ape...Jaffe is the ape. Having said that...who cares what this guy says. It getting to the point where anything posted anywhere is being censored. Where I work you can't even have a discussion without hurting some ones feelings...some where...lol...Society has gone nuts. Please, don't hurt anyone's feelings today or make them sad, you may be censored...O_o
Jaffe has made a lot of notable games. His Mickey Mouse game back in the day as a creative director, directly inspired parts of Epic Mickey. He was involved with God of War and Twisted Metal. He has had a deep, long lasting impact on this industry. But seeing as he has a more Playstation background, it's such a SHOCKER that you'd call him an "ape"
I look at his face and also the things he says and it suggests he likes the attention, in a way perhaps he didn't get at school or something Not that i'm slagging on the guy, but i think that's where all this attention comes from- the rebel thing i mean Naughty Jaffe
Freedom of speech.
That is true... but freedom of speech works both ways. Any rebuttels to his speech are also on point.
There IS indeed freedom of speech. BUT, your speech is NOT beyond reproach. He is a public figure as a developer and has bosses and shareholders. I am sure that the pressure to apologize came from there. Plus, as Legion noted, people have the right to be offended by speech.
these ppl just wanna be in the headlines.... business probably been slow so they decided 2 come after jaffe.....
This is Jaffe we are talking about since when has he ever not been outspoken. Hell on the GTTV video on Twisted Metal he says [email protected] like 10 times. This is just the way Jaffe is it doesn't matter who gets pissed about he will just turn around and do it again. People need to grow up this is not third grade anymore. Grow a set and move on with your lives. If you don't like what he has to say don't click or listen to stuff that he is in. This hole poor me poor me complex that people have now days is just getting annoying.
I could not agree more it is like everybody has turned into pansy's or something.
I wonder what would happen if he said the ngp is like "new d!ck" Would anyone notice or complain about it and say it's sexist?
How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? ...none, because feminists can't change anything. :-P
Um...but they have?
What a bunch of P****s. Leave Jaffe alone!!
Jaffe's always going to be Jaffe. A lot of people already hate him and are very jealous of what he's accomplished, so anything he says will be magnified to ridiculous levels.
I like pussy ..... cats...?
who cares what Jaffe says? His statement was less offensive and more proof that he has a 15 year olds mentality. No wonder most of the N4G users think he is so cool. He probably doodles boobs all over his developer notes for his future games too.
people need to calm down... that's what's wrong with the gaming industry, everyone feels they need to make a comment.. ' oh.. hell.. i just made a comment as well.... cant win can you?
I guess shock jocks need to stick together. I think they're both kind of trashy, but at least David Jaffe has some talent.
Truer words were never spoken.
Sexist? Give me a break.
Sexist? Really? I don't know what the hell is wrong with the women of today but from all appearances they haven't evolved.. "Oh he used a "derogatory" word for a vagina he's sexist. WAAAAAH" Suddenly he's not professional because he spoke some words? Really? REALLY!? Jeeesus. Shut up! Turn the game on and play. Stop trying to apply all this nonsense to gaming and the culture around it, that doesn't matter.
But, regardless, I am not offended that he used the word pussy. But, the context made it worse, really. It still doesn't bother me, but I can see why some insecure people would be upset. Honestly, I just wish he would have some class... And that when he shows his clear lack of any, that it wouldn't be news on N4G. It's a sign when the only person sticking up for you is Jim Sterling. A bad one.
@danielle: What part of the gaming industry is always "professional?" You have companies taking jabs at each other in childish ways.. you have games taking shots at each other in childish way. You have Itagaki, for example who always conducts interviews with shades on. I know that people look at him as awesome but that is terribly unprofessional not to mention for the most part he's a cocky prick who tells everyone and anyone that his games will destroy all others and then most of the time the game ends up sucking or is just plain overlooked. You have the GTA series that indirectly attacks it's competitor with billboards in game or conversations on the radio stations that make a literal mockery of said competitor. Hell in some cases they've even had you kill characters that share the same name and look as a rivals games. Hollywood wont even stoop that low. Did you ever see a movie where Schwarzenegger, was killing a bunch of Stallone look a' likes? tldr; The gaming industry is never 100% professional. Jaffe is bit of a douche but, he always has been. This isn't new, news. We all know Jim Sterling just jumped on this because quite frankly that's the only way people would pay attention to him.