Gaming analyst Michael Pachter has branded the Gamers’ Voice organisation a ‘crybaby’ following news it’s to report Activision to the Office of Fair Trading over the buggy PC and PS3 versions of Black Ops.
although he may be right that Gamers' Voice is a political stunt, patcher shouldn't negate gamers' needs to have buggy games fixed, particularly ones that are in the public eye i'm disappointed w/ his response. he could have been the bigger man and said that gamers deserve to have as bug-free an experience as possible...not, GAMES ARE BUGGY. FUCK IT.
all the latest call of duty games have been buggy/glitch feast and people still buy them...so its the peoples fault start buying games that deserve to be brought
@NYC_Gamer People who say CoDs have a lot of bugs must have not played a lot of other games... They're not that buggy at all, but they're not that good either.
God he so needs a smack in the mouth
I wasn't happy with Gears 2 online when it launched, but I didn't go into a rage like with what people do nowadays. I have better things to do with my time, lol.
Games are buggy and COD is no exception. But can you not agree that MW2 was less buggy and better built than Black Ops? Of course going to the game now completely proves me wrong as hackers have ruined the game entirely (thanks noobs) but before when it worked. Black Ops is getting better, but there are still disconnects and lag galore that shouldnt be there. When your last game breaks sales records, your new game is expected to do even better, wouldnt you go the extra mile to ensure its at least up to par with that recent game? The attitude of "games are buggy, get over it" is stupid. They shouldnt be this buggy. You should want them to improve.
Pachter is only concerned with shareholders, thats why he was hoping for a subscription fee for Black Ops, he doesn't care if games are buggy.....moron.
"Most bugs are patched within a reasonable time." Really, Patcher? Really?
patcher was spot on in my opinion
Yep... couldn't agree more. Nothing but a bunch of whiny cry babies that will buy the next COD anyways. Where were these groups when SOCOM 3 war released? Jesus... they could went after Zipper back then for that horrible piece of trash game. Now THAT, was a travesty. edit.. LMAO at the "our industry" comment. I'd actually say this is more patchers industry than yours, because he actually gets paid for being in it and reporting on it. Unless, of course, you get paid in this industry.
What was wrong with SOCOM 3? Nothing was wrong to me
Holy crap really!??!? That was one of the buggiest, glitchiest games ever! From the getting killed by a gun, dying once, to having the car run you over right after giving you a double death! Door noises opening and closing all over with people in rocks, people in the sky... Zipper saying they will have fixes and patches for the game, and how they had their online community feedback system with glitched out stats and nothing working? Promise after promise for fixing that mess. Ahhh man. Good times. :)
I remeber that Socom problem, and I remember reading a review--I think it was from 1up, and they actually said in that review they were going to wait a week or so until things got ironed out to give it a score.
Are the problems really that bad? I bet come November 2011 there will still be 5 Million+ PS3 owners who buy the new COD game.
its people like him that will allow unfinished games to be released. These needs to by action against games that are bug ridden though. Its unfair for gamers to by faulty products. Other industries have measures to stop things like this so should the gaming industry. edit "If people don't like it, they can take it back to retail for a refund." No they cannot. In the UK retailers stop returns because of the risk of the disk been copied or people playing the game for a bit then returning it so not losing any money
Well, Cod have been made with the same engine since Cod4: MW and they still haven't managed to optimize it well enough on PC and PS3. That's some great work there, no need to criticize that at all..
CoDTech has essentially been in use since CoD2, it's only been incremental updates for each release. CoDTech is actually a rewritten Quake 3 Engine.
As much as I hate Michael Pachter, he's pretty right on this. Could've easily taken it back. People need to quit being crybabies and actually do something instead of just bitching about their situations.
"Could've easily taken it back" Nope not where I live. Stores do not refund money for open software/music/movies. "People need to quit being crybabies and actually do something instead of just bitching about their situations." I thought thats what they were doing when they reported craptivision to the Fair Trade office.
Buy from somewhere else, then. Online retailers are a lot more forgiving with returns.
"Buy from somewhere else, then." OK... NO, when I pay for something I want it now and expect it to work unless otherwise stated. Kind of like when you buy uhhh....ANTYTHING.
I think he's employed by Activision. Remember when he tried to convince us that a pay to play model for COD would be a win?!?!
Pachter seems to open his mouth about everything. He already has the easiest job out there. Just making a bunch of guestimates for a living. and I hate that old pic of him...lol...he looks pitiful.
Pachter is only right in the fact that Gamers in general don't do anything to honestly back up their voice. When a credible organization is formed that has a user base that truly backs up their claims to ie petition and or boycot the purchase of something then we may see companies do what we expect. Until then many of these gamers will continue to buy the same CoD game, knowing the same company is involved, and will continue to complain about their decision. Shame.
They are actually doing something, that was the news that supposedly provoked patchers response. Their actions are appreciated and might raise awareness about releasing sh!t games. But, in a way, Patcher is right too for once because they could have done a bit more research before picking up a game just because it is hot. Either way, I like it because some people finally learned the lesson that popularity doesn't always mean quality. This is interesting... Black Ops PS3 has a 88 metascore and a 5.8 user score on metacritic. With 0 negative reviews from the mainstream press and 68 negative reviews from users. Very interesting! http://www.metacritic.com/g... while Battlefield Bad Company 2 has a 88 metascore and an 8.6 user score with only 5 negative reviews from users. http://www.metacritic.com/g... Explain that patchy!
I'm sure a $60 purchase is pennies to Pach. I'm fortunate enough to have never bought into the CoD hype, but I have friends who have their horror stories with the PS3 version. Times are too tough to drop 60 bucks on a faulty, broken product. As people are always eager to point out, N4G doesn't equal the world. Not everyone scours the internet for reviews. They only see commercials and the hype in advertisements. Then they buy a broken product. Not cool.
I was smart enough not to buy into any CoD hype after 4. Some of my "friends" and friends of friends, I can't say the same about. Whenever a CoD game came out, most of them are on it while I'm playing whatever other game is release around that time. Some of them go so far to convince themselves is a great game to justify the $60 purchase by talking trash about my decision such as choosing to wait and buy GT5 over Black Ops. Dropping $60 is a lot for many people especially college students, so it would be wise to do a little research before throwing $60 away even if there is a lot of hype.
sound like a crybaby?? are you f**king retarded!? gamers paid £40/$60 for the game and the game ended up being broken, and you are telling me they are cry babies? why don't you shell out £2000 for a pc rig and find out it's not working, then please DON'T COMPLAIN! -Ninja Gaiden 3-is sick!:)
why doesn't he just leave us all alone :'(
Wait I'm confuse, Mr. Michael P plays video games?
So the asshat is commenting on the people complaining about the PC and PS3 version of Black Ops and goes on to say that he owns the 360 version and it's not particularly buggy? Now I've heard it all.
Talk about a total wimp move. Ask a guy his opinion about a group. Get his opinion about the group. Then say he's "branding" them with his opinion, which is actually just a blatant move to stab him in the back. Wow. Just, wow. Shoddy journalism at best, and probably a shot back at Pachter for his criticism of games journalists which I think is totally valid. Every organization that rated the game highly should be treated as suspect if this game is as broken as people say it is. I don't see how anyone that rated it highly could have any credibility if the charges are true. Granted, software should be as defect-free as possible. But there is no complex software application out there that is 100% defect free. Activision has been patching the game since release and has been fixing things. If this were the only game to have this many patches, then I could see lodging a complaint. But it isn't. I can list two other high-profile shooters, though console exclusive, that had numerous patches to fix issues and we don't see this group going after them. I'm not listing the games because I don't want to cause deep emotional distress to anyone that can only be soothed by trolling reports. My point is that Black Ops isn't the only game released with bugs in it.
Games that have been far more buggy than Black Ops have never been reported. Plus I have a feeling that developers will be protected over issues like this.
They are crybabies and so are you guys.
NO Pachter you have to understand that we pay good money for those games, hard-earned-money as they say, so we cant just stay quiet, thats like chucking your money away, if we stay quiet.
While I agree with not staying quiet, it would have been more effective and smarter for many of these gamers to have not purchase Black Ops in the first place. This will speak louder than any petition and protest can say.
"any serious gamer expects bugs.” Any serious gamer, had played ass-tons of games and knows what a polished and FINISHED title should look like. If the game is finished I do not expect bugs (and I'm serious about that :_)).This run to publish and hit the numbers is the other side of effect Kotick and crew. This attitude of we'll fix it as we go is BS. Supporting that ideal is also BS. A solid product should have had a freak'n crackerjack QA team to ensure everything is spit-polished before delivery. Some publishers get that, Activision however chooses to use this crutch as others do. Promoting the idea that it's normal to be expected to run updates and patches in order to use your product as advertised, is...guess what? BS. Come on Activision get it together.
Usually I try to be objective in these situations, especially regarding Pachter (personally I don't think he's as bad as everyone thinks) but FUCK YOU. I paid $60 for this game over 2 months ago and I still can't play Demolition without getting disconnected or without horrible lag. You call us "crybabies"; go fuck yourself.
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