Ninja Gaiden 2 VS Sigma

Kotaku writes: "Because working with video is what they do, GameVideos has gone ahead and cut together footage of Ninja Gaiden II for the 360 and Ninja Gaiden Sigma for the PS3 together to give us an idea of the differences between the two. Right off the bat I notice that the camera is a bit more dynamic in II, working more to enhance the action than simply portray it. The environments look far more detailed as well, and the animations seem a tad bit more fluid. Now that I've seen them side by side, Ninja Gaiden II is looking like a definite improvement over Sigma. Nicely done, Team Ninja."

[TeaDouble_E]

FLAME ON !!!

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Thermal Nuclear bomb inbound.

[D R Fz]

Especially since they're comparing the NG2 with the NG: Sigma Demo. Not sure how this affects anything but Kotaku does favor Microsoft a little more than they do Sony explaining why they felt that NG2 looked better. Joystiq even said that the graphics in NG2 was not as good as NG:Sigma, which does make sense because NG2 is still in development.

But in the end, every fanboy can agree that, overtime, games are supposed to get better. Graphically and in all aspects, games should improve overtime.

[sonarus]

i agree that NG2 looks the same but wudnt say it looks worse than sigma. Its definetly an improvement it shows in the animations especially however graphically i think they are the same

[nasim]

NGS runs at 1080p @60fps

NG2 will run at a mere 720p.

why on earth did TECMO build this game for an inferior x360---a horrible low powered console which is 1/10 as powerful as the ps3 and is dead in EU and JAPAN

[JsonHenry]

I really don't see how you could compare the two in terms of 360 vs PS3 like some fanboys are bound to do.

But as far as comparing the level design and character movement? Obviously NG2 is the better game. But I would hope it is since it is not a simple polished port but a whole new game.

[hazeblaze]

Hopefully the camera is better in NG2... but yea, graphically they look pretty close but the animation looks much more fluid in NG2. However, I still expect that gfx to improve quite a bit before release.

Either way, I've come to terms with the fact that we're just not going to see any gfx that really dominate the PS3 come from the 360 anyway. The PS3 is starting to look really impressive.

[gaffyh]

They both look almost the same, but NG2 seems to have some better physics like chopping up enemies properly.

[secret]

Is it just me, or has the xbox360 maxed out already?

A) Ninja Gaiden 2 on the xbox360:
1)Developer power = Itagaki and his full staff with full resources
2) Developer console experience = Nearly 10 years developing for the xbox/xbox360
3) Title's generation = 3rd / 4th gen title
4) Title's status = New release

B) Ninja Gaiden Sigma on the PS3:
1) Developer power = Group of unimportant kids or underlings of Itagaki broken off from the main team
2) Developer console experience = 0 (zero,zero) experience with the PS3 and smaller experience in creating games -> they are kids, unlike Itagaki
3) Title generation = generation 1
4) Title's status = remake port of an xbox generation 1 game

Graphics tend to look better on Sigma in many areas if not comparable. That suggests the xbox360 is maxing out already, especially when you realize the development situation / circumstances I outlined above under Category A and B...Where is the next gen? What does xbox360 have as an excuse now? By the way, the arm on the NG2 version of Ryu looks wrong somehow...looks weird.

A FEW POINTERS: Notice that on almost all xbox360 games, the bricks in buildings and the street pavements tend to be BIGGER than those on any PS3 games designed exclusively on the PS3. For instance, on resistance fall of man or even in Sigma, almost all buildings have millions of distinct small bricks. However, in Gears of War and in NG2, all the buildings are seemingly constructed of bigger bricks, maybe in the thousands or hundreds of thousands if any at all. Development tricks and detals that no one see or ackwnoledges. PS3 is about the finer details that no one sees or pays attention to --> Cracks inside cracks of walls, and so on.

Graphically, with first gen titles such as Motorstorm and glimpses of MGS4 / Final Fantasy VIII / Grand Turismo 5, it's funny that graphical superiority is still made an issue. Even Heavenly Sword is good enough to seal the deal mostly. Nothing on the xbox360 so far even compares to MOTORSTORM, and that's a first gen title. But there's more to come on the PS3. The xbox360 is struggling and NG2 is proof that it's petered out. Will the heavy weight please stand up now. Not xbox360, you imposter heavy weight.

PS3 IS ONE FINE HOME-THEATER MACHINE. What else can the xbox360 do for adults and smart people rather than kids and prison inmates who like viiolent games?

In the end, xbots will have spent the most money this generation because of their xbox360.

1) Hundreds on dollars on internet fees ($400 or more eventually)
2) Hundreds or thousands on dollars on games and accessories
3) Hundreds or thousands of dollars searching for a standalone bluray player and/or HD-DVD player or add-on plus movies for each format if they have both. (And after deep research, they find that the best valued standalone bluray player (home theater console) is the PS3 afterall if they're a gamer too.
4) Looking for the Wii for motion sensing experience

In the end, xbots will have spent the most money. Can anyone say Consumer??

Turkeys to be slaughtered by wolves for dinner??

Hello?

PS3 (ports and mulitplats and remakes ) + PC (Halo, Bioshock, Gears, and so on) = xbox360 at 1/4 the cost of the actual xbox360 without the junk games from the million of games that I won't ever buy - ever??

Why would I want an xbox360 if I don't like Gears, Bioschock, or Halo? Why? What else does it do besides play games? Is it a home-theater machine? Is it built to last? Is it quiet? Is it inexpensive?

READ THIS XBOTS:
Kids play games only. Adults and/or straight A students want to do more with their time and money.

I wouldn't want a port of NG2 to the PS3 because even if the port came out identical, it will never, never be as good as if it were created first and foremost exclusively on the PS3. There is nothing out there on the xbox360 that can be Motorstorm graphically, not to mention even Grand Turismo 5. And Motorstorm can take on any 3rd / 4th gen xbox360 game grphically. And I'm still having fun with Sigma. It's like a wife that satisfies me -- alot. I don't need another one.

I hate how the xbox360 B-student gets in the way of the PS3 straight A student. Sooner or later, the B student won't be able to keep up and will let the A student do its thing.

I own shares of stock in Microsoft.

[HateBoy]

Holy crap man, get a life. You just took flaming to the next level.

[Taker_129]

I am disappointed ng2 doesn't look that much better then sigma. You would think that all this time they have been developing this game they could have developed something better then this. It looks like they took the sigma engine and just added more blood and decapitation. I was expecting more from them.

[The Dude]

Amazing how games just look better on the 360.

[bee2427]

ng 2 lookz better but jus cuz of the camera angel, they look the same

[TeaDouble_E]

Both version look's like plastic toy dolls.

[sonarus]

i would be personally worried if it didnt considering the games will be at least a full yr apart. from here its quite easy to see that gaiden 2 looks significantly better than sigma but i would like to see a comparison with more similar environments. i have sigma and in my eyes it looks better than that comparison vid being shown

[InMyOpinion]

I thought the quality of the video was too poor to make out which game looked better. Would be nice too wait until NG2 is finished before comparing as well. No one knows how far it is in development.

[Kaze88]

Lets backtrack a little...

Ninja gaiden: sigma is an port from xbox and its team ninjas first game to the ps3.

Now theyr making ninja gaiden 2 exclusivily to xbox360 and they have worked with it before. Plus its a sequel and sequels are always supposed to look better than the last one.

So stupid to compare ps3 vs xbox360 with this sh*t. Ninja gaiden 2 isnt even close to release and it looks a lil better.
Just compare the games, not the consoles and their powers.

[leon76]

Hey The Dude you need glasses!!!!!!

[jlemdon]

I think the game is looks a lil bit better only because the stages are bigger than Sigma's.

[Coffin87]

this comparison is a complete waste.

outside levels compared with cuts inside small buildings. wow, what a comparison.

what a sh*t load of f*ck.

[RadientFlux]

personally I am going to wait in till NG2 is released before I compare it to NGS

[fenderputty]

One would hope that NG2 would outshine NG sigma as it's the course of video game progression. Right now things look like a toss up. NG2's animations look better though. Still ... nothing so drastic either way that can explain the flameing that's going to happen.

[Scrooge]

I don't even care which one is better. NG series is the best and funnest hack n slash to date. Im just glad to see the sony camp is enjoying Sigma as much as I enjoyed Black. It's okay that they won't get this sequel, they have God of War 3 to look forward too.

[spammy_nooo]

Here's my take on the situation:

The environments do look a bit better, as well as lighting/camera effects, but it's too insignificant to impress me. I'm looking forward to this game and I wanted the graphics to be knock-down drag-out better than sigma, mainly because I'm a graphics whore + a BIG fan of the game.

Oh well, Sigma suited me just fine, I can deal with sub-par graphics*. And I guess when you think about it, you dont really notice the graphics when you're playing the game anyways, because its just so good.

In short, even though I'm dissappointed with the 'updated' graphics, I'm also just fine with them because I get to play another Ninja Gaiden game :)

* as for me saying sub-par graphics(read above), please dont attack me. When you look at games like GeoW and Killzone 2, this game kinda falls out of the forefront in the graphics department. <--OPINION

[tplarkin7]

Team Ninja aims for 60 FPS. Every Xbox 1 game and Sigma ran at 60 FPS. Gears runs at a respectable 30 FPS.

When you take still shots of each game, Gears looks far better. But when you play each game, you appreciate 60 FPS.

It's debatable as to which approach to take. Do you push the limits and drop the frame rate, or do you enforce 60 FPS and go easy on special effects?

They are both worthy design methods.

[The Snake]

To consider anything graphically less than Gears or KZ2 sub-par is a copout. You should not consider the best of the best as your par. Doing so only lowers your appreciation for legitimately good games.

[xg-ei8ht]

Spam, if there was a nail. You just hit it full on.

[blusoops]

The reviewers are quick to point out the "Supposed" improvements of NG2 over sigma, but how come they don't point out that Sigma has self shadowing on everything, while NG2 doesn't have any shadows on the moving characters!

To me they look just about the same, what I DO like about NG2 is that the dead bodies don't disappear after a few seconds.

[sonarus]

You just made the smartest comment so far. Bodies don't dissapear after a few secs is huge for me. Especially after playing heavenly sword. Its really nice to cause a lot of carnage and walk past and walk over all your destruction. I hope all beat em type games implement this feature i.e. GOD OF WAR 3

[HateBoy]

shadows are absent cause they are still in development man, they even made a special point about it when first presenting the game...
This comparison is stupid, compare them when ng2 is complete. Personally I think ng2 already looks better (besides the shadow thingy + a couple other things i suppose are going to be added later), but the video was way too low res to make a proper judgement. Anyone expecting ng2 to look worse than ngs is really really really stupid, or a fanboy (SAME THING).

[MalcomGrasley]

Neither game is good looking enough to even bother arguing about.

Both games look like the same old last gen shiny plastic material crap with the only major difference being the 360 can only run it at 720p and the PS3 can at 1080p.

With PS3 owners having:

God of War 3
Heavenly Sword
Ninja Gaiden Sigma/2
DMC4

And the king of console fighting games, God Hand.

Ninja Gaiden just isn't important enough to waste the effort.

[fopums]

GOW puts the rest to shame, even with DMC4 shaping up very nicley, GOW stills holds the crown as the best hack and slash game.

I can almost garuntee that GOW3 will be the best in the series, gameplay and story wise. its just in a league of its own. these other titles dont hold a candle to GOW

[joydestroy]

what are you talking about?
NGS is just a re-make.
NG2 is exclusive to X360, and is still in development.

[Funky Town_TX]

the action is fast but 2 looks like it has more going on. I have not liked NG since my nintendo days. I will try the demo out (if there is one) but that may be it.

[Premonition]

Graphically I think they are the same, the 360 version has more guts and stuff, but the PS3 version the body movement for the ninja is more fluid to me, and a little faster.

[Shaka2K6]

and it supports 1080p really beautifull only possible on PS3.

[TheXgamerLive]

Hmmm?

[Ri0tSquad]

ng2 isn't even finished. sigma looks better obvious but ng2 is no where near complete.

[s8anicslayer]

they look the same

[pshizle]

NG2 is not finished so this comparison does not meen anything from my point of view

[PimpHandHappy]

for the 360 version to hit the stores b4 i listen to a compasion.

[Bill Gates]

I'm sure NG2 will look much better than Sigma once it comes to the PS3. Until then, Sigma looks much better.

Drink my man juice XTWATS.....AAAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

[Mr VideoGames]

ninja Gaiden Sigma looks like crap you knwo they had to Downgrade the Xbox version to get it on PS3 right?

[fenderputty]

you're gone.

[spammy_nooo]

you know they had to downgrade you so you'd fit in your moms womb. <- edited for appropriateness.

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH

seriously though, where'd you here that?

edit: I thought that I'd play it safe and make sure everybody understood that I know that 'dis' doesn't hardly make since. I was mocking his stupidity.

[sheng long]

Stupid comparison, they choose an outdoor level vs an enclosed level. NG2 isn't even finished and i'm sure will look a bit better than sigma, at least i hope so since it will have some fierce competition when it's released.
p.s. Both videos look like crap, i don't know how someone can judge based on that.

[rbanke]

seems like this is an easy way to make nearly the same game for each console and still give each console an 'exclusive' I dont see how the game can be so much improved over the first if the other just came out.

[chrisin3]

because it is being developed from the ground up for the XBOX with a full team. Sigma was just revamped code efficiency, touched up visuals, and a few extras. I enjoyed sigma nonetheless.

[DaEnforcer]

NG2 doesn't look better than Sigma and Sigma was done by as Itagaki called him a "rookie". ROFL the rookie just showed he ain't any worse than Itagaki...or maybe it has something to do with Itagaki working on a less powerful console?

[PS360PCROCKS]

woo and a day later your STILL a complete and utter fuc*ing Jackass! Please go cry in a corner since you don't get this game "Oh no no Itagaki gave us Sigma, were totally getting NG2 it would make no sense if we didn't" well guess what your not, your stupid one side biased stupid MF'er comments have no merit, go play Sigma...hey I'll tell you what I'll join you, let's go play Sigma, and than when this comes out, I'll go play this ALL ALONE! God does it feel GOOD to have both systems!

[jackie chann]

NG2 looks better, though this is expected from a sequel

[jackdoe]

NG 2 has better animations, especially death animations, and better environments. However, I find that Ryu's character model looks pretty much the same in Sigma and NG2. Ryu's character model is probably placeholder anyway and should be improved upon before the game is released.

[Douchebaggery]

a brand new game that is still in development against a polished port of a 2004 xbox game

there's no way sigma can look better than NG2, if it did then team ninja should be banned from game making

[GRAMPAGAMER]

NGSigma was good, but it was just a remake, NG2 will be it's successor,..bottom line.

[Marceles]

NG2 has the smoother animations, it's not the DOA animations where it looks like it skips a bunch of frames and has the motion blur but it's not Sigma or the PS3's fault, that was just new stuff added to NG2. The environments are also more detailed...yet again not Sigma or the PS3's fault. The comparison kinda sucks since they're comparing the first level of Sigma with barely any color but brown, white, and black, while NG2 has all these bright stand out colors and environments, but anyways...next comparison.

[Itachi]

WHEN IS TGS

[Douchebaggery]

it starts Wednesday

[Itachi]

bubbles up

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Screw graphics.

It still won't play as well as DMC3...

hahahahaha...

[DJ]

Though I prefer NG II's enemies. The environments seem better in sigma as well. Shadowing AND Self-shadowing, as well as 2x the resolution as NG II kinda put Sigma ahead. Part II wins in terms of gore factor though, and I liked the magic effects.

[TheXgamerLive]

Oh, I see never mind, DJ just has some sand in his Vagina. It's ok guys, relax.

[Relientk77]

we all knew this comparision was coming

[Figboy]

that they show the *BEST parts of the Ninja Gaiden 2 demo, and choose the lame, brown, @sstacular level, from the Ninja Gaiden Sigma *DEMO!

at least go to a level that isn't a closed off, claustrophobic room!

personally, i think both games look on par with each other, considering that one is a *FIRST GENERATION Playstation 3 game, and the other is a what, 3rd generation 360 game?

i think NG2 looks great, but the quality of the video (i downloaded and watched the larger, HD version) isn't the best, but the comparison is practically moot when they're comparing oh, i dunno, a *CLOSED ROOM with expansive, and impressive vistas.

out of the 19 chapters of Ninja Gaiden Sigma, they choose the blandest to compare. that's BS right there. it really is.

i swear, you can't escape the fanboyism these days. it's getting to absurd levels.

[jackdoe]

I think a better comparison video would be one that compares the TGS showing with the NGS Capitol Level. Aqua City just reminds me of it.

[Gabe323]

pre-pre-pre alpha!!!!

[spartan112g]

Why can't we just sit back and say that both games own. I see it as NG2=GOW3=NGS>DMC4=Heavenly Sword

[PS360PCROCKS]

we need comparison videos for something so fuc*ing obvious? Anyone who hasn't played sigma and seen NG2 in HD shouldn't comment...I have played and seen this video both on my TV in HD and NG2 is far better, but that's expected as sigma is a mere port from last gen. Anyways the HD makes a HUGE difference

[Bnet343]

the graphics will get better

[Thelbpimp]

WOW U guys obviously haven't downloaded the NG2 video from XBL marketplace.... This video doesn't do it justice, look for a HD version of gameplay or just go to the marketplace and download it!!!! NG2 owns sigma...

[BulletToothtony]

how on the ng2 they use the outdoors with more light and then with ngs they used a plain little room..

if they would've used some other outdoor scenes ngs would've looked better but i'm used to these comparisons, like in dirt they used the ps3 demo at EVENING times so the 360 looks brighter. but oh well, the fact that they have to cheat says a lot

[Shaka2K6]

But the weak x360 gpu stays the same so, its going to look like crap just like halo 3.

[Kazzik]

That all you sony fanboys saying NG2 looks worse than NGS considering this is an alpha build FIRST EVER footage LMAO i mean come on do you guys really think this is final or something?You guys are getting more and more desperate every day =P

[Fighter]

I love NGS for the PS3 because it's just friggin beautiful but it would not be fair to compare a work of art to an unfinished project like NG2. I'm sure they were both developed close to each other seeing how NG2 looks somewhat similar to NGS.

I'm way too jealous that I might not be playing NG2 because 1 game is not enough to get me to buy an Xbox 360 even though I think the game will be spectacular. Itagaki is way too arrogant to let a bad game slip past his major ego so we all know that he will put in a lot of effort into this game.

Hopefully we (PS3 fans) get a Sigma 2 or a Rachael spin-off game or best of all, we get GOW III.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the camera in NG2 looks way improved.

[Kazzik]

Hate to break it to ya SHAKA2k6 but the 360 has the superior GPU and the PS3 has the superior CPU look it up fanboy!!

[xg-ei8ht]

X X X

3 strikes and your out.

Not sure where u get your information. But your dead wrong.

Yes you can label the 360 a gpu and cpu.

But ps3 does not work that way. RSX is a pixel painter and compared to the gpu in 360, shader wise, it knocks it out the park, ask any dev.

TBH, this game still looks like plastic, Wonder why they are not taking the enviroments further and using better shaders, it looks like the same game.

And before everyone spouts beta, beta. This is basically complete. Thats why the main team didn't work on the ps3 version.

Use your brains please.

[VirusE]

Xg nice how you failed to mention anything about unified shader architecture or memory usage benefits. You do realize this IS the big difference between the 2 GPU setups. The 360 100% has a stronger GPU but the CELL can use its SPUs to do graphics work which is how the ps3 has the POTENTIAL for better graphics.

Way to tank your argument, you should pat yourself on the back.

[bootsielon]

Sigma has the edge, but it's a finished product, so no news there. However, you still have to give props to Team Ninja for managing to make Sigma look this good, even with dev kits that arrive more than a year later than those of Xbox 360 (and ones that are a lot harder to develop on), when Team Ninja has dedicated most of its work force to microsoft the last gen, and Xbox 360 is a lot easier to develop for, hardware and softwarewise.

I expected NG2 to look better though, since Team Ninja has had the dev kits since day one, and it's easier to develop for than PS3, not to mention the development time has been longer. I'll reserve my final judgement when the final product comes out.

[Rageaholic]

And ppl disagreed with me when I said (too many xbox fanboys engulfed in their own hype, thinking the graphics are better than NGS

NG2 (demonstration) has worse graphics than NGS.

1) its missing bloom
2) environment textures look bland and lack textures

Though It is shaping up to be a great game , and its going to be pretty wicked. Again, it is still a long way to a finished product, so they have time to add in those effects.

Btw DMC, GoW, and Heavenly Sword are different games.

Even though they are different, god of war still owns all of these games in the action genre.

[SofaKingReetodded]

Sigma's graphics and gameplay is head and shoulders above the lame 360 game that actually looks boring. Notice how many enemies you are fighting at one time in the PS3 version and the pace of the action. IT IS NONSTOP, now look at that lame ass excuse for a game on the 360, what is it? an enemy every twenty seconds?? must be that bandwidth bottleneck the 360 has. tisk tisk MS is going to get owned BADLY this time around.

[JokesOnYou]

Kotaku

"Right off the bat I notice that the camera is a bit more dynamic in II, working more to enhance the action than simply portray it. The environments look far more detailed as well, and the animations seem a tad bit more fluid. Now that I've seen them side by side, Ninja Gaiden II is looking like a definite improvement over Sigma. Nicely done, Team Ninja."

oh well maybe sonykids are talking about a different vid comparison they saw on youtube with or something 'cause Kotaku and the rest of people with normal eyesight can clearly see its a improvement over Sigma.

now what do you think it will look like once its finished and running on the 360 which Itagaki called best the most powerful gaming console, sorry sonykids, once again=

JOY

[DJ]

can't even pull off shadows with Ninja Gaiden 2, and it's nearly complete. Not saying anything bad about it; I'm just letting you know. Oh, and the enemies disappear after you kill them...which didn't happen in Sigma.

[bootsielon]

Looks like you're one of those blind lemmings that believes what he reads on websites, and buys games based on that, and not on what they observe and listen to.

I don't care what Kotaku says; especially now that the words they say contradict the video. Seriously, it's evident that Sigma looks better than 2. Not leaps and bounds, but it does. And it's understandable, since NG2 is not finished! Get over it.

Edit:

JOY,

"actually the saying goes "A picture is worth a thousand words.", but yeah sonykids make up shiii as they go"

Did that really change the meaning of my sentence? Don't make a fool of yourself if you're not gonna say anything. Seriously, a picture is an image. And the movie you just saw is a series of images/pictures.

"and of course you would say this: "I don't care what Kotaku says", right because unlike you Kotaku and normal people can see that the vid does show improvement in NG2, even without it being finished."

Well, apparently Kotaku and normal people disagree. But I don't care what "normal" or "non-normal" say; I care about what my eyes tell me. As you can see, it has been confirmed that i'm not alone on my views. Why is it that on a 360 exclusive game thread, even 360 fans (not fanboys) agree? You're alone here. It seems that the "normal people" left you out.

"NG2 is exclusive to the 360, so I understand your bitterness, but the truth is the Joke is definitely On YOU (JOY)"

NG2 is exclusive to the 360, so I understand your bitterness, since the game doesn't look better just because it is there, on the 360. Just ask everyone, including your definition of "normal people".

And by the way, I have a 360, so I WILL get to play it, even when it looks worse ;)

JOY

[JokesOnYou]

@ DJ
oh so if a unfinished game doesnt have self shadowing in the early build it isn't capable of it= nice logic DJ, and I'm sure the game is due to be released tommorrow.

@boots
actually the saying goes "A picture is worth a thousand words.", but yeah sonykids make up shiii as they go and of course you would say this: "I don't care what Kotaku says", right because unlike you Kotaku and normal people can see that the vid does show improvement in NG2, even without it being finished. NG2 is exclusive to the 360, so I understand your bitterness, but the truth is the Joke is definitely On YOU (JOY)

[Shaka2K6]

But...but..but its the alpha!!!
yah just like halo 3 when we 1st saw the 1st footage of the game and it looks like trash and look at it now it didnt change a bit, so the same stays for NG2 most likely just wait for the superior version later on PS3.

[Lord Anubis]

why does sigma have a grainy film? it doesn't look like that on my tv. its crystal clear at 1080p.

[Kazzik]

Whatever ya gotta tell yourself to make yourself sleep better at night is fine with me. It is obvious that NG2 will look better than NGS even sony fans can admit it the only one's who cant are fanboy''s use some common sense. I agree that GOW3 will be a better game prolly as i love GOW but saying sigma is gonna be better looking than NG2 is just silly and show's how much of a fanboy you are noones is gonna take you seriously LMAO!

[INehalemEXI]

NGS looks superb im sure NG2 will too.

[skylar2000]

LoL, the 360 can't handle strong games like these. The 360's are gonna go red ring soon as they pop in ninja gaiden 2. HAHHAHAA

[Douchebaggery]

can't wait for the gears of war pc vs. gears of war 2 comparison

[ParaDise_LosT]

in development?

[mikeslemonade]

We argue all we want but NG2 has basically the same visuals more or less than Sigma. I expect more improvements in NG2 but it's not going to be drastic. I can actually point things out that look better on Sigma. The lighting in Sigma is way better. I played through Sigma and the visual quality was not consistent though. The cathedral level in Sigma looks way better than NG2. The fact that I can point things out that look better in Sigma makes NG2 look bad. It shouldn't even be a discussion for which looks better. NG2 should look noticeably better and it doesn't.

[power of Green]

You also have to take into account Sigma isn't grabed from a video that was at a conference either.

#45, PS3 fans claiming that games do not look like that in 1080p at home can also be said about 360 games.

NG2 beats Sigma out of the door and it has months left.

I'm sure Sigma would have been on par with NG2 as it is now; if Sigma had an extra 2 years of development.

NGS:
http://www.1up.com/do/slide...

http://www.1up.com/do/slide...

http://www.1up.com/do/slide...

NG2:

http://www.1up.com/do/slide...

http://www.1up.com/do/slide...

http://www.1up.com/do/slide...

Clearly Ninja Gaiden 2 is more dynamic in more ways than one. These are screen grabs not screenshots taken from the conference so the quality of NG2 screen grabs do not match screenshots and it still shines.

NG2 pics...

[mikeslemonade]

Those are cutscenese. Even though those may be in real time, i'm talking about how when you're in gameplay it hard to tell which is better. And 2 months is meaningless because Halo 3 had what 5-6 months and it improved less than 5-7%. And the fact that this is even a discussion is a big deal. I mean you can be a videofile, but if the average person like me can't tell then the visuals really aren't better. It's only better to the 1% who can actually see the difference when it's in gameplay.

[SuperSaiyan4]

360...Kojima said it and he is right, didn't a PS3 catch fire or something when making Sigma which is meerly a port from the old Xbox version and with actual old Xbox 1 CGI?? LOL!!

Sorry guys the PS3 just isn't very good at playing games, it doesnt have game friendly hardware the 360 has now go cry me a river.

[xg-ei8ht]

And you believed that,lmfao. I remember the quote. Realtime shadows,hahahha.

Just about everygame these days has realtime shadows. Go figure. A ps3 caught fire,lmao.

You look at heavenly sword and you look at this, and its just funny. Graphics wise HS Slices this to bits and it first gen,lmao.

[VirusE]

Could you please provide links to this kojima quote and the story about the fire. I read every vid news site daily and i have never heard either of these "claims".

[Solbadguy]

did not catch on fire when making Sigma, they only made it smoke a few times but what did catch on fire/blow up was the Xbox 360 when they were developing DOA 4.

[FirstknighT]

It's a shame that Sigma didn't sell well on the ps3. It's clearly their best game but I'm sure the stubborn sony fanboys didn't want an original Xbox game. Oh well...I can't wait for NG2. Going to be another HUGE hit for the 360.

[SabreMan]

Fanboys are sad pathetic little people with no life who sit and jump on the latest good/bad press on the "enemy" console and slate it.

Ninja Gaiden looks stunning on the ps3 and that video is no where near the quality of it, NG2 will also look stunning once complete and released. Seriously some of you need to take a long hard look at yourself and the life you lead if all that matters in your life is X looking better than Y on the console you own.

Enjoy your console and the games for it, who cares about the "enemy" console - Get a grip on reality, grow up and stop acting like children and face facts, Sigma is stunning as i expect NG2 will be once released

however none of them will sell to the masses, thats already been proved with both incarnations on the xbox and the ps3 outing.
Three incarnations of the first game and sales are still poor, NG2 will be no different

[power of Green]

http://www.gamevideos.com/v...

Sigma looks like an Xbox game. No amount of excuse making and sh*t talking will change it Kotaku have better resources in comparing these games than we do and I already see people saying Kotaku towards MSFT when the only people more critical of MSFT than Kotaku is Loot NinJa.

[Bazookajoe_83]

You say sigma looks like an xbox game when it´s a huge improvement from ninja gaiden?

[CrimsonAngelic]

If anything they look too close to the same but the lighting is better on Sigma BUT HEY! While we are arguing or more like debating it shouldnt really F'n matter right? First off for the beta demo, its not done yet, as obvious and NG2 should look better since they've been workin on that for years. It better beat sigma in almost everyway, but so far its only a sliver better, well if I can even say better.

[power of Green]

But its already has better game play and better lighting with environments that have vivid life to them camera system is already more advanced has more detail almost on par with lost planet as of now, seems to have better physics. Only a Sony fanboy could say anything Sigma offers is better then NG2. You people act as if we havn't played NG before Sigma has slight inhancments from an Xbox game.

[mikeslemonade]

I just realized you're the power of the green. I immediately stop paying attention.

[367 To Your Ass]

NG2 looks more faster pace and more flashier running at 1080p
NG looks a pinch sharper and runs a little more slower pace also running at 1080p

its amazing that both can keep a high framerate and still look excellent.

[Saint Sony]

Character work, camera work, blood and shading to Ninja Gaiden hands down.

Environments.. well Sigma had a really boring brown room, so I won't comment on that, but most likely 360 will beat Sigma in environments as well.

[TheZippo]

First of all Ninja Gaiden Sigma is an updated port of the original Xbox game Ninja Gaiden. From reading some of the post I'm not sure if everyone was clear on that. Some of you are acting like you have been betrayed but you haven't you had just been given the opportunity to play this great action game with next gen graphics and I applaud those of you who can play this fast action game on that controller.

Moving on I don't think this is a fair comparison because as I stated earlier Sigma is a port. Unless they developed this game from the ground up to be on the PS3 I think they could have done a lot better if it wasn't a port. I think it's capable of more and shouldn't be compared to a SEQUEL that's IN DEVELOPMENT for the Xbox 360. I think the finished product will look amazing. The other thing that bothers me about this comparison is that the environment. You can't make a true comparison with such different environment contrast.

So show me a comparison in a few years when Ninja Gaiden 2 is ported to PS3 (which will happen eventually) and then you guys can fight it out cause this one means nothing.

[wingzero]

THE PS3 VERSION OF SIGMA MOVES MUST FASTER IF YOU GUYS WOULD JUST WATCH THE VIDEO CLOSELY,GRAPHICALLY THEY BOTH LOOK GOOD BUT PS3 GOT THE EDGE

[Vojkan]

Its funny how most of this site tell us that fanboyism is bad for the industry and that they like all systems (yeah wright) and they do next is release this kind of fanboyish video to start a flame war. Totally unneeded.

[japanese_dawn]

to our beloved God Of War 3. Flame wars begin there, this is "misguidance"...

[techie]

Well that was funny. Trust 1up to choose footage of the interiors for Sigma - we all knew that was its weakness. It was the outside that was beautiful, with leaves failing and high-res rock textures. Oh well...NG2 of course looks better, but does it look amazing graphics wise? Not yet...I want to see them push the hardware like they did the Xbox...it will come in the next preview I'm sure.

[mesh1]

ng 1 was utter crap why i didn't play it ?was because of the bland area omg the lvl design was soooo repetitive but this games looks very different the environment i quite nice cant wait to see the polished game as they have a year to finish the game will b a gr8 game

[achira]

in this comparison looks sigma better. but ng2 is not ready yet. comparison with unfinished games is bs, like the ppl who said bs about kz2 Ai. not finished is not finished, the end product should be considered!

[celticlonewolf]

At last someone with some sense I mean you are comparing a game that has still a very long time in dev to a game that is finished and is out. I mean for the game to even be close on par with a completed game holds very well for it since it will have loads of time to polish everything up and make things look better. All you have to do is look at the articles we have had on this site about game dev to know that final touches like a lot of you guys are talking about the ones that really make the game are done at the end. I think people just love this whole games on my console are better than games on yours which all boils down to 360vsps3........again wow like that hasn't been done to death lol. Good gaming

[SL1M DADDY]

When game websites and magazines enjoy starting fights between sony fans and MS fans with this garbage. First off, they should have played a level in the streets on Sigma. It would have been a nicer and easier comparison rather than the wood versus brick comparison they have here. Secondly, from my take on it, a secondary programming group did Sigma all the while the lead was developing NG2. It would be like comparing COD2 to COD3. Silly fan sites and rags need to just stop with the riot incitations.

[BADBOYEK4]

You SONY fans are funny azz hell,NINJA GAIDEN 2 looks better and you know it, especialy at the end of the video you can see a big difference.

[felidae]

i like ninja gaiden but compared to graphics and animations like in Heavenly Sword this looks like a last gen game .. sorry.

[TheZippo]

I agree that Heavenly Sword looks great it's too early to tell whether NG2 looks better or worse. The thing that bothers me most about Heavenly Sword is the fact they took so much time and effort in the facial expressions and body movements they neglected her hair. Instead of actual hair it just looks like a red scarf blowing in the wind. Now when any system can make long hair look anything close to natural then I'll be pleased.

[SL1M DADDY]

That's because it is last gen. What I am saying is that I am sure Team Ninja did no motion capture for this game and if they did it was at a bare minimum. Heavenly Sword used the best motion capture studio in the world and gave us for the first time ever, characters that showed emotion in its truest form. NG2 is a hack and slash with no emotion and that is exactly what we all had last gen. I am going to get NG2 for my 360 but I do wish more devs would poor more heart into games and induce more emotional responses rather than the typical shock and awe factor found in games of recent.

[Keowrath]

My god the Fanboyism on both sides in this thread REEKS! The Comparison is bullshit!

Compare the 2 when NG2 comes out. Listening to this drivel is like watching the fanboys attack Killzone2 for bad AI and Halo3 for crappy graphics.

God you guys find the petiest things to argue about.

[mighty_douche]

never really been a big fan of NG, had it on the original xbox and found it to be very slow played and boring. also i find that RYU looks like hes just left his local S&M club, to much PVC for my liking, more NINJA GAIDEN and less NINJA GAY-DEN please!

[shysun]

Looks the same to me but the new weapon looks kick ass.I may have a 360 by the time this comes out but if not I hope it goes to PS3( it could happen).:P

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

I have to pretty much say XBOX 360 wins that round.

[CrazzyMan]

We Already have NGS, they don`t have NG2, they will have NG2 Only after 1 year.
And by that time, we might have GoW3. =)

p.s. btw, NGS is just remake, but it`s stil lruns in 1080p@60Fps and with selfshadowing, while NG2 on x360 only 720p@60 without selfshadowing.

On ps3 NG2 would also run in 1080p@60fps, with selfshadowing, because ENGINE already done for PS3, and having so much time, it would run even better, because of optimizations with SPU. =)

[codeazrael]

First off, if I were a ps3 gamer, I would just be honored to have had the privilege of playing Ninja Gaiden.......even if it was a polished version of an original Xbox title, but don't kid yourselves, look at the comparisons, NGII looks way better than Sigma. But it doesnt matter, fanboys don't wanna hear what they don't wanna hear. Regardless, this game is going to be a beast to watch and play, so if you guys want to know what it plays like, seeing as you won't have it till the ps4, just subscribe to the many posts about it.

[TooL 316]

to be honest in terms of graphics i see no difference, the advantage ng2 has over sigma is purely technical.

[Witty Comment]

anybody who even bothers to compare both of the games, especially at this early in development, is a fanboy regardless of what "system" they're vouching for.

It's very difficult for me to not reach through the internet and kick all of you in the collective junk after reading how you prefer "NG2s enemies over NGS" or "the animations look smoother on NGS\NG2". For crying out loud, it's a 9 minute demo video on a game that has isn't even close to being released.

For. The. Love. Of. God.

[Hayabusa 117]

I don't care which version looks better. Ninja Giaden Sigma looked good enough, so if Ninja gaiden 2 looks just as good, I'm a happy man. It's all about the gameplay man!

[Tone]

.... plus bubbles!

Could not have said it better myself :)

[iNcRiMiNaTi]

there definitly more things going on in the 360 version, look at the blood! the lighting, and the most overlooked thing that no one seems to mention, body parts on the ground that stay there in NG2 and it has no slowdown whatsoever, and the fact his weapons get bloody over time...sure NG sigma looks good, theres no doubt about that, but as a true sequel...NG2 improved on sigma and its a work in progress

[LiquifiedArt]

It doesnt look much better if at all. I think a major differnce is an outside "sun lit" level vs. the absolute worse set of boards in the game. I mean your comparing brown rooms to outside in venice??? kinda stupid.

And even mor stupid how the enemy Ai(moveset) and the mechanics look IDENTICAL. 1,2,3,pause,Guardbreaker.

I still like Ninja Gaiden. And hopefully it come to ps3, and if not then i'll just stick with sigma. :)

[Tone]

I love it when people start shouting specs for a machine, and its sooo obvious that they just done a copy/paste from a website (which is more than likely wrong)

Specs means nothing.. Games means everything! Gameplay means everything!

All games should be made this way:

Gameplay first, everything afterwards is just a bonus :)

The way i see it folks is this.. why have a game that looks stunning, but the gameplay is absolutely pants.. whats the point?

Anyhoo... no matter what NG looks like.. its hardcore gameplay.. and that just suits me fine :)

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

WOW! the 360 is on a freaking roll, been out since 05 and it's still "king graphics" and with each new game that looks better on the 360 just goes to show the truth to all that BS Sony tries to sell. "next gen don't start untill we say it does" well Sony when is going to start? Kinda got to catch up to the 360 first "droids" so... when are you going to do that? oh yeah thats right in 08,09,10 and beyond.

So Droids/Sony when the PS3 finaly reaches 360 in "playable" graphics and games you will be saying hello to the next Xbox and be blown out of the water "again". See while the PS3 was being sold a Blu-Ray player instead of a gaming console, the Wii, 360, and PC were giving the gamers what they want "GAMES" while Sony gave you movies. Nothing wrong with movies but don't sell me a Mac and give me a PC, don't sell me a cell phone and give me a pager. Sony sold you a gaming console and gave you a DVD player.

As for Ninja Gaiden 2, hell yeah it's being compaired to Ninja Gaiden Sigma and it still looks better and to make matters worse Ninja Gaiden 2 still has alot of dev time before it reaches the hands of Gaiden fans. Imagine what this game will look like closer to launch and imagine what they will add that we still don't know about.

<--- this gamer has now joined the Wii60 club, should be Wii60PC. Wii sports is all I have so far and it looks like sports will be the games that I Wii for and the 360 is for Graphics, live and pure unmatched enterf**kingtainment.

http://www.halo3countdown.c...

[sonarus]

i have sigma and i have seen the NG2 video off live. In conclusion i can say NG2 does look better and that comparison is terrible. especially the sigma video. the animations in NG2 are so much better and over all the game looks faster. However when it comes to graphics i have to still say they are both pretty much the same in my eyes with NG2 only having a slight edge. This will probably improve as this game probably won't come out till summer nxt yr however for a sequel i expected a more significant graphical upgrade. Don't expect them to make the same sort of impact they made with ninja gaiden on the original xbox at least from what i am seeing.

Also to the foolish clown that said NG2 looks better than crysis find a gun and shoot yourself... in the leg. don't allow fanboyism to blind you

[alextz]

The character models might look almost identical. Nevertheless, it is obvious that backgrounds and enemy models in NG2 are much more polished and detailed than NG:Sigma. Animations have also been greatly improved.

[PS360WII]

Personally I'd rather see the graphical difference between NG II vs NG DS. Oh yeah that'd be a tough one.....

[Nth RooCH]

To compare these two titles would be like comparing the early Timeshift demo to the current timeshift demo. NG2 isn't finished. It's quite a long way off with a '08 release. Lots of things will be done to it. Sigma however is not only finished, but is simply a polished version of a previously completed title. Comparing a finished title with an unfinished one is senseless. Poor show gamevideos.

[Unknown]

all the ps3 owners cried a river when IGN compared a work-in-progress game, KZ2, to the A.I. in HALO 3. You screamed,"Its till in my Grand mother's ALPHA STAGE so that not fair so hum!" or "Well the textures might look bad up close but that's because they have well over a year left to complete the game!" While that logic seems very plausible, why in sam h3ll doesn't that same LOGIC apply to this game. NG2 deserves the benefit of a doubt just like KZ2 then. But you know I don't expect you fan boys to understand how logic works because you are merely sheep(all fan boys/girls). All you do is cry "BAAADD!!" at every game that comes out for the opposing system. Thank guy that we do have a couple of sheep herders on this site to keep you guys in check. Oh and I also expect to have maybe like one bubble left when I come back as everyone gets mad when someone tells the truth!
Then we have sheep like the one below(hey you there go back to sleep)who post one line comments with no facts are any sign of intelligent thought put behind them. I'll take the above logic even further. If you guys expect a product that's still in development to blow an existing product out of the water then why hasn't the PS3 done so with the 360. You can give me that difficult to program for defensive all you want but have developers saying that they had no problems developing for that platform. Some great things take time(i.e. kz2) to reach their potential.

[demolitionX]

sigma kicks @ss, sorry 360 fans.

[the_pwnshop]

While NG2 admitedly looks fantastic, the comparison is laughable at best. Graphics from NGS demo (which was not built from the ground up for next gen) vs NG2 (which is apparently extremely far along in development if they're able to showcase 8 stages). Besides, the visuals aren't head and shoulders above NGS anyway. The camera comparison is even worse. The Sigma footage was taken entirely from enclosed spaces, whereas NG2 was all open areas.

[Hypnotic]

By that video I could not tell a difference.

[Darrius Cole]

One thing that I could tell from that video is that then A.I. in NGS is more difficult.

In NG2 the enemies are just standing there attacking one at time while Ryu attacks them. In NGS Ryu is constantly being attacked by two enemies at a time, and he is constantly counterattacking.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Too bad characters -still- looks like barbie dolls/plastic dolls.

This includes lame ass DoA. Stupid Dev.

[Tyrael]

I dont give a **** if Sigma looks better than Ninja Gaiden 2. Sigma is a remake of an old game, Ninja Gaiden 2 is a NEW GAME ALTOGETHER that wont see release on the PS3 unless they have plans to make a Ninja Gaiden Theta or some greek lexicon along those lines...

[SuperSaiyan4]

Spit in the face of PS3 fanbabies for not knowing the word 'COOL' hahaha

[Mwaan]

First of all, Team Ninja doesn't do ports. Sigma was built from the ground up for PS3. NG2 was built for 360. NG2 has more detail and is more impressive. Live with it.

[Bazookajoe_83]

I wonder if there´s any sequel that looks worse (grafic) than it´s previous?

Edit: Well that might be an exception then, even thou i don´t realy know how those to compare to each other (And im to lazy to check it up) =)

[Mwaan]

Soulcalibur 3 looked worse than Soulcalibur 2.

[power of Green]

Agreed. Finally somebody smarter than a Chimp... Everything is better the detail on the buildings aready match Lost Planet, the detail on everything looks better the flesh tones are not so cartoonish the light blazes with realism....

[SDS Overfiend]

Still to early to determine anything. Physics look better though.

But look here this is Team Ninja and if you think for a second this is the finished product you are sadly mistaking.

[power of Green]

NGS: http://www.1up.com/do/slide...

VS

NG2: http://www.1up.com/do/slide...

As you can see Sigma looks like an Xbox game in comparison at this earily stage in NG2's development.

Sigma lack Next-gen effects... TI did day his co-worker did a pretty good job though... Souldn't take more than once to see the difference but for the blind switch back any forth a couple of times between the two links above.

Its sad to see people claiming such loyalist rubbish(1-up has seen it I'v seen it, Kotaku see's it, IGN seen it.

http://www.1up.com/do/slide...

[goodganja]

NGS was developed my a more hungrier, more dedicated crew at team ninja. itagaki just merely ported ngs engine to 360 and optimized it. NGS on PS3 is more consistant and you can tell by looking at the videos.

[GMR_PR]

Comparing a finish game to a still in development one is just plain stupid.

[sneekstream]

Why is everyone comparing a game that was a port from the original xbox version and polished up to a game which was built from the ground up on a net gen console. Xbox fanboys dont you feel angry that NG2 is getting compared to NGS.?

[Rhezin]

wow sigma looks way dull compared to Ninja Gaiden 2, and it doesn't even come out till next YEAR! I don't even kno why they made a ps3 version of ninja gaiden anyway. Embarassing, just like lair.

[Bazookajoe_83]

it´s a sequel, but ng2 could be done on the ps3 with the same result.

[Daz]

watch sony defence force is about lol.
Back to topic i think ng2 does look better because of the gore a stuff but i fully judge when the game is done.

[Anything but Cute]

Sigma looked better because it's on PS3. PS3 has better graphics, why do you think it costs more? Ninja Gaiden 2 can't look as good as Ninja Sigma did on PS3. Forget it.

[rjc2fp3]

I think ng2 looks a little tiny bit better then sigma, it may still be in developement but showing 8 playable levels in the demo I would assume its quite far in it although not too much is known. I also don't think the comparison shots are fair and the person could have used a better environment for sigma. I think the better question is when they rerelease this 4 times on 360, would the ps3 remake look any better on the 5th time around compared to the xbox

[jax07]

This game is Devil May cry but only much more redundant. A hero, inexplicably dressed in leather ( which im sure ninjas dont wear) equipped with magic and various bladed weapons runs around and cuts up monsters. Oh, there will be some pointless side character with big breastesses and more of the exact same gameplay, EXACT same gameplay. Even God of War 2 mixed it up with flying levels and wicked puzzles. I know I have asked this before, but how many times can you play the same game and enjoy it?

[supnub5]

the ng2 is in alpha and already looks good the animations are better then ngs,but still ngs looks better.

[bison812]

I love Sigma a lot and I believe Team Ninja will deliver a great on the 360.

The character models are nice and the animation are very nice. Im not going to support the argument of which is better I believe in playing the games you like and keep it moving

[btkadams]

well how could ninja gaiden 2 look worse than sigma? who was honestly thinking it was gonna look worse. i really dont see how this is a surprise, of course it looks better, its a sequel and its coming out after sigma did.

this just in: madden 08 looks better than madden 07.

[Sevir04]

Sigma and NG2 look identical. now in terms of action and speed and camera
NG2 wins hands down. and the effect like blood is alot better. everything is much faster than sigma and teh action is amazing. oh and the character models look more detailed. but graphics look on par with each other. whats gonna be good is that NG2 will be much better looking next year so thats the best part because the action looks to be even more frantic and awesoem than sigma. this will be the game i buy my 360 for. everything else can go to hell. but if somehow Sony gets a version 6-months to a year later or some variation then personally i'll pass on the 3560 and get it for my PS3 because as of right now the next gen PS3 engine they have sitting is definately going to be used and tweaked more and look fantastic. a game will be brn for PS3 using that engine and i'm sure it'll look awesome

[jax07]

I bash this game and the many other games like this that keep releasing with little to no enhancements to the gameplay. So freaking what the camera has artisticly impressive movements that make the moves lok cooler. This doesn't change the fact that the game still plays the same has the same weapons, yes, just because they look different from the last game, they still do the same things and have nearly the same combo sets. Give us something bigger and better. The animations are only slightly improved and and the graphics are better, what other than these two things have we not seen in last gens games? Zone of the Enders is better than this damn game. Why don't they up the antie like Heavenly Sword and give us something we havent experienced before? Maybe gamers are so stupid they just except the same crap over and over but reject anything good or innovative.

[BLACKJACK VII]

Wow, just watched *entire presentation* with Itagi & the complete demo showed at TGS in HD on XBL. Can't believe what I just saw from a game that still has a year of development left...

Incredible. Cannot wait for NINJA GAIDEN 2 !!!!!!!