In CVG's last Mailbox David Lucas blew his top about Black Ops multiplayer. This week Michael Haylett finds himself enjoying Gran Turismo 5 more and more, but is still baffled by some of the design decisions.
First UC2 bashing now this? looks like cvg is short on hits
yeah they're looking for hits that the story.
...with Halo 3.
GT5 wasnt overhyped, its just that a lot of "gaming medias" who dont know shit in racing game and tried to do a review and embarassed themselves since they didnt had a clue how to play the game. if you want a serious review go to InecomCompany or simracingtonight (the FIRST PART of the review is 50minutes ffs...)
Obvious the dude who wrote this is a casual so his opinion dont matter I havent seen one core sim racing fan speak negatively about this game Only people who bought the game because of its hype its quite sad actually .. that they are the ones writing the reviews
@Dmarc: ""an Elise that slides more than a pensioner on ice" Obvious the dude who wrote this is a casual so his opinion dont matter " hes right though - the lotus that you drive in the top gear event is ridiculous, and not even slightly realistic. Lotuses are renowned for their handling and road hugging ability, yet in that event even the slightest turn of the steering wheel results in the car going into a full slide. i dont know what they did to that event to cause it, but its completely ridiculous. "I havent seen one core sim racing fan speak negatively about this game " id advise you stay away from GTPlanet then, which is pretty much the biggest 'core sim racing fan' gathering on the interent, as many MANY people over there speak negatively of it - and with good reason. why cant i upgrade the brakes on any cars? this is one of the first mods most people who race cars do in real life! why cant i adjust tyre pressure? why cant i change the width of my wheels/tyres? GT5 has many areas where it falls well short, and to say that no 'core sim racing fans' speak negatively of it shows just how little attention youve been paying. on the 'article', it was a rubbish little piece that seemed to have no point or reason for being.
yea im on gtplanet some of them arent core gters gt5 is the 1st gt many of them played well most of the people i saw complaining lol and second the cores that do complain its usually not anything major 3rd Elise handles superb if you know how to drive an MR car its not like normal car where you would just take your foot off the gas and slam the breaks before cornering you will have to slow down a bit early and press breaks while your foot is still on gas works good for me with sports hard on too
To car enthusiast and GT fans it delivered. Regardless of how GT5 fared from the 'gaming press' haters will always be hating.
This is an opinion piece by a user on the site. You would know if you read the article.
The only thing CVG can give a lesson in how to write articles for hits or support others nonsense to entice hits.
UC2 bashing is un-warranted.... GT5? Well, it is far from the "perfect" game that PD claimed they were striving for so I dont take any exception to them taking shots at it.
I don't remember PD saying GT5 was a "perfect" game.
The continuous said they were taking their time to make as perfect a game as they could. This of course is paraphrasing what was said, but PD was very open about striving for perfection with GT5. So when a game gets hyped up like that form the developer its hard not to knock them a bit for when they have obvious areas that were less than perfect. Doesn't mean GT5 isn't a great game...just that it certainly isn't the perfect racer everyone was hoping for.
The article was actually pretty good, the title is a little misleading, as the 'overhyped' bit was a simple comment half way through... I do agree with most of it...like it or not, PD did get arrogant about GT5...with statements last spring like 'we could release it now, its ready'...and it clearly wasn't half a year later... I think its pretty safe to say i'm with everyone else...and hope GT6 focuses more on polishing up whats already there, than adding huge amounts of content...that LITERALLY only look good on paper (standard cars be damned)...They could have halved the car count, actually had a logical UI, and added some depth to the online part of the game...probably overall saved money...and easily would have had a much more respectable critical following... GT5 is the lowest rated GT game ever created...yet to many its also the best...that sucks...I love it, so I don't care either way...but i definitely see where the criticism came from... there is still a lot of hope though for GT5...each update seems to be massive, and fixes a lot of the issues we have had so far...if they start seriously pumping out premium car models to replace the existing standard cars...I couldn't come up with a single thing that bothers me that much; thats the only one that annoys me...I agree, the 1000 car trophy would be great to have, i just don't feel like filling up my garage with ugly standard machines...
I doubt reducing the standard car count would warrant more "premiums" to the same extent. Remember, premiums are worked from the ground up with a standard of 6 months per car. Even if they did remove ALL 800 standard cars, the maximum "premium" car output should not exceed 250 - that is, if going by their standards and the time per car output. As for KZ's quote "we could release it now, it's ready" hypocrisy, I'll ask you this: Remember at that time, there was no weather nor kart racing at that time during the statement was released. Would you say without those 2 features the game would be INCOMPLETE? The only problem with this game is that their is just too much content to polish. Had he stick with the original plan without weather and disregarding 800 cars, I can assure you the game would be far more polished than what it is now today. -End of Line
ok...you more or less reworded exactly what I said... So maybe it wouldn't have had more premium cars...but I guarantee the 1000+ car statement was simply for PR...had the game had 600 cars, roughly half of which were premium...the whole debacle of premium vs. standard cars may have actually been better...as you wouldn't have seen so many standard cars in every race... and yeah...thats what I meant...when PD said the game was finished...it really wasn't...it wasn't necessarily the carting and weather that hadn't been added that needing to be in it...it was that the damage model, for the most part, was tacked on late in development...and clearly shows...its as good as other sims, but its still inconsistent and doesn't fit well with the pedigree franchise... so yeah...I would say that if it shipped early in 2010...with no weather...no damage...and without carting (even though thats by far the least important aspect of the game to me)...it would be INCOMPLETE... and the entire scope of my post was exactly what you said...by dialing back the huge amounts of content...that all look great on paper...the overall game would have been much more consistent production value wise...all the tracks could have had the same level of detail...the disparity between standard cars and premium models could have been less (as you would be racing against much fewer standard cars on a regular basis)...and they possibly could have spent a lot more time on the UI, and you know, made it make sense... so overall i am agreeing with you...your reply says everything I said, but it sounds like you're disagreeing?...
They aren't going to get one from me.
Polyphony Digital should be taking notes and PS3 fans should stop shielding them from the truth.
What truth? That it is THE best driving simulator on any console? Play it then speak.
@AB-Definitely. What I like most about GT5 is the menu. It's so UNIQUE!
What truth would that be troll? Every PS3 fan I know absolutely loves GT5. My friends list is on over drive with people playing it since it was released. When are you going to stop shielding your betrothed from the truth? As you can see MI was hard at work signing into all his multiple accounts to agree with himself.
The game is clearly flawed especially for a 60$ million/5 year in the making game and rather than demanding improvements and helping PD improve futur GT games it seems some people prefer acting like nothings wrong, like it is perfect. How stupid is that ? Better have a more polished experience or keep your fanboy ego intact ? And they call themselves "gamers"...my ass.
Since the release PD have provided lots of support. The made the online better, gave us the option to turn off the HUD, gave us 5 new races, a time trial and a drift challenge every week, and an online garage. That is all given to us a month and a half after release the support for this game is going to rival that of burnout paradise, I think it will surpass it.
Lol. SuperLupe, u pretty much exposed 95% of the users on site for who they are.
@super u buddy are right on target. There is so much wrong with gt5 that it amazes me that people still refuse to accept that the game is flawed. I thought IGN was being their typical bias self, but after playing gt5 since it's release I think I have to eat crow on this one. I also have to retract what I said about the dev who said they weren't going to put pointless cars in their game just to have a big number. yeah, gt5 has lots of cars, half are doodoo. 1000(most of which are toyota's, mazdas, and honda's)cars and you can't even change the stock brakes? on ANY of the cars? what is there about 15-18 sets of wheels to choose from? does anyone have any idea how long it takes to get to lvl 40? then and only then will the entire game open up? so so flawed...but I'm still having a ball with it! lol
I probably agree with "M4ndat0ry_1nstall", but he loses credibility for having such a bitch ass name.
Thing is, much of the "overhype" came from Turn 10 saying they had a better game. Mentioning GT almost everytime they talked about Forza.
I support you comment 100%.. When you have to talk about the competition is just you dont have enough to say about YOUR own thang
Yeah but at the end of the day FOrza 3 didnt dissapoint. GT5 did. @below: First off, wow what a weak response Second, yeah keep on living in your dream world where any form of criticism towards a PS3 exclusive is a conspiracy its actually funny. http://www.maxconsole.net/c... I mean when even the OFFICIAL PLAYSTATION MAGAZINE refuses to give GT5 a score (first time in history they refuse to score a game) because they are scared it may hurt sales...it kind of says everything. But hey, lets just pretend ok ? :) @Brutally Honest below: I may be new here but dont worry I've been following long enough to know that: 1.)Anything negative about PS3 = conspiracy. 2.)Reviews dont count unless they give a PS3 exclusive 90+. Bla bla bla and bla bla bla.
Oh really? I don't know what planet you live on but you obviously are not a member of forza motorsports forum. There was dozens of threads with hundreds of responsing complaining about Forza 3. Most of them about how the online was setup. Go peddle your lies some where else. Don't bring it here. I played Forza 3 15 times more than I have yet to play GT5. Also Forza 3 had (still has) a lot of glitches. Neither Forza 3 or GT5 was perfect, no game is, but it's obvious Sony titles are put under a microscope compared to other console exclusives. But why am I wasting my time with a brand new, most likely multiple account, N4G flame starter? You are as transparent as a rolled down window.
The only thing wrong with that, really wrong, is that more Forza players/fanboys who have never touched GT5 say that than people who have played GT5. And you really can't say there isn't bias towards PS3 games when Jim Sterling gave another one of his stellar and dinged LBP2 for re-playability. A game who's basis is essentially is general re-playability, allowing players to make their own levels and games, has been criticized for re-playability. And you have the never to say that there aren't people with something against the PS3 or PS3 games.
Godmars are u serious ? So you want to tell me Jim Sterling has never given a ridiculously low score to a 360 exclusive ...? I mean they gave Fable 3 5.5/10 for instance (its a bit more than 80 on meta) You see the problem with you guys is that you are in your OWN reality where Destructoid for instance are anti PS3...a quick look into "real" reality and you'll realise that its pure BS for the simple fact that they gave 360 exclusives ridiculously low scores for hits too.
My issue isn't that Sterling gave it the score he did, its what he based it on. Namely apparently low re-play value for a game that by its demos, by example of prior version, is about diversity and re-playability. And as far as Fable 3 is concerned, having blinders on in general for that matter, the games gotten a number of mixed reviews with most saying it improved little over the first two Fable titles and the ending is a cop out. Sterling's is the only bad review I've read for LBP2, and by the way it reads he sounds mostly pissed off that MM "broke their word" that they'd never have to make another LBP title.
we all want reviews as soon as the game comes out. we all know that online MP games cannot be honestly reviewed until a couple of weeks after release most of us realize sites just rush reviews to get hits.. I have always said..." reviews guide, gameplay decides"
How can you possibly see screen tearing? Do you have superman vision?
It gets me when people say it doesn't hold 60fps continuously. Sorry.....when does it drop? I haven't seen a single bit of frame rate drop since I got the game. If I need special tools to detect it yet I don't notice it with my own eyes, it's not an issue to me. But the haters gonna hate what they gonna hate so let em hate
iPad, are you serious? if you CANT see screen tearing, you need to go and get your eyesight tested. how can you NOT see an image with a tear right across the screen from one end to the other, with the top image and bottom image not matching up? honest to god, if you cannot see this you really should go and get your eyesight tested. Shadow Flare: it drops all the time pretty much. it happens when there are a few cars near you, it happens when you turn a corner at speed, it happends when you turn on the windscreen wipers, it happens when.......you get the drift. the fact is that GT5 rarely actually maintains 60fps for more than a few seconds. some people dont seem to 'get' what a 60fps framerate looks like compared to say 30fps, so they have even more trouble telling 50fps from 60fps. the rest of us though, we can spot even a dip in framerate of like 3-4 fps every time it happens. its like people who say they cant see anything below 60fps in God of War 3 - the game actually very VERY rarely holds 60fps, averaging at like 40-45fps. just because some people say they cant see it, doesnt mean its not there.
this sort of thing needs to stop. GT5 is a great game that got a little better than average reviews. some of those could have been slightly better if the reviewer had been good enough to get past level 20, but, alas, some just wanted to hate. i noticed Heavy Rain getting some post bashing too. why does the media hate Sony so much? is it the high standards of their hardware? or perhaps the incredible exclusives that put multiplats to shame? it really is quite puzzling
I found it hilarious the reviewers saying the menus were complicated. Maybe for the first 30 seconds of your first boot up of the game.
CVG. Kotaku and Destructoid wannabes.
What other racing game represents every form of popular motor racing in one game? GT5 has it's problems, but the issues I have with it are merely annoyances and not anything serious. When judging a game, you need to look at it as a whole, and overall GT5 is the best by a distance. The realism it offers coupled with the massive, MASSIVE amount of content it packs in makes it unrivalled. Still thoroughly enjoying GT5 since the day I bought it. That's all I need to know Ta
This was definitely overhyped. Glad the reviews saw through it and scored it accordingly.
GT5: And the lesson is...now matter how good you make your game their will always be trolls. That is all.
You say Polyphony Digital should be taking notes? Why cause you said so? LBP 2 received some perfect scores however I seen a 7.5 which mean that reviewer had some issues with the game. Now keep in mind there are people as I speak who are very hype for this game. Should those people say MM need to take notes cause the guy who gave LBP2 a 7.5 said so? Hell no! Do you think a 7.5 OPINION will change if someone thinks the game AWESOME? NO! Well the same principle applies to GT5. Maybe you feel things should be different, but I dont. Maybe you feel it was overhype, I dont.
My main concern about the game is that the quality is unbalanced. Not all cars have the same graphics, not all cars have cockpit, i absolutely love the game, but they should have thought in a way to make things more equal. It was like: Let's put many cars as we can for people don't complain about the lack of them. This may sound like trolling, but that is what i think.
@ KON. Question, Lets just say it didnt have 1000 cars, infact lets say it only have the premium cars that currently in game, Would it make a difference? NO! Lets say PD asked if people want standard cars added in and it wont effect the premium cars or game play however it wont have the same detail as premiums because they are ports from older GT editions. Would you say NO? Hell No! Then stop compliaining for nothing.
Yes we should leave the overhype to the professionals on the 360 side. They hyped Halo Reach 8 months in advance before they even played or saw any proper game play for a game that looked and played exactly like any other Halo game. They are talking about how Forza 4 will be better then GT5 from a trailer and 11 months in advance. They talk about how wonderful Kinect hardcore games will be without seeing how they play and with virtually no game play. They are saying the Gears 4 will beat UC3 before even seeing how UC3 or even ME3 will stack up against it. But as soon as any PS3 people hype any of our games, we get long articles and speeches trying to put us in our place and basically telling us to shut up when they won't tell 360 owner to shut their @$$es while they hype games they know virtually nothing about or aren't offically announced or hyped from trailers that show no gameplay. KZ3 is almost here and we are excited but their are already hundreds lf people telling us why not to be excited.
A little overhyped, massively under-appreciated. With all the sheer amount of content...I really don't see how GT5 not deliver on everything it promised. The challenges, car tuning, driving physics, weather and night/day dynamic, and so much more. Oh and these "ugly" standard don't even look bad at all...I admit some do, but a lot of em look pretty damn good. I guess you have to have a love for cars to appreciate this game.
I was thinking about this the other day. In my case it isn't that GT5 is 'overrated',it is a great game with some personality flaws. The actual problem for myself is that I am not as enthusiastic about driving games as I once was so in a way my opinion reflects that.For real enthusiasts I would imagine that GT5 is driving heaven. I'm not sold on the overrated,overhyped theory.A determined 'Panic merchant ' can always find buyers.
GT5 is a great game, screw the fuckers whining about it, I couldn't care less.
This game failed on so many levels for me and for amny other FANS, which is why I plan on trading it in for Crysis 2. Why don't you fanboys read the Gtplant & Neogaf forums? you'll see how many complaints this game has from REAL fans who actually OWN the game like me. Play the game in it's entirety and go through every feature in this game thoroughly and you'll see where it failed. It is truly the worst GT game in the franchise. Hopefully GT6 will be a much better game.
Last GT I played was the 2nd so this was a big jump for me. I can't really compare these to other racers since I haven't played them and I know there's a lot of flaws at this point. I read that past lvl 35 grinding becomes a chore and I'm only around 26 so I'm not looking forward to that. Hopefully they'll improve online soon -_-. Anyways I still think that what PD did right far outweighs the inherent flaws. For now I'll take my time and enjoy racing with my DFGT.
Care to elaborate? I've been a fan since GT1 and I OWN the game and I fail to see where you're coming from. The support PD are giving and how many updates there have been since launch at least shows they are trying, unlike some publishers. You can't just say that it's the worst game in the franchise without justifying yourself, the only conclusion I can come to is that UMAD BRO.
Even the biggest YT PS3 fanboys who go around bashing the 360 for weeks on end don't like it. Yamauchi wasted valuable time on pointless features and the game is an inconsistent mess. I have so many friends on my PS3's friends list who own the game but don't play, a lot of them have the very same complaints I do. The game is really boring as well, something I was not expecting.
Loving this game.... lol the haters dont even give this game a chance. I swear some xbox fanboys play like 2 tracks and they simply say well ummm Forza looks just as good. and then they put down the controller
hs wrong. hes not played 50% you do earn xp you do rank up online. you also unlock damage at level 20-25 cant remeber as that was a while ago for me by the way im at level 35. so i know and 85%complete i agree the tearing can be some what of a disapointment at times. but to do with the frame rate and amount of stuff on the screen at that perticular time. i wish they had put more in car views in the game but above all else this is granturismo. the only driving simulator if you dont like that then i challange codemasters and i challnge forza devs to try to make a real simulation as good as GT. forget the preset cars unlock the tuning make what i tune on the car perform on the track keep your upgrades and presets. nobody has even tryed going as deep as polyphony. because it takes years to do just 1 gt game. this isnt a 2 year production knock up game.
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