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im not a big graphics over gameplay guy but i still love seeing amazing looking games and having them in my collection to show off to m8s .
epic waste of bubble of the day! LOL
Thats well said (bubbles). I don't put graphics over gameplay, but I still love great looking graphics.
I like having good graphics, helps immerse you further into the game.
wow, what are you 12?
i ment show the graphics off to m8s not me having certain games lmao . im 24 just to clear that up but i do feel like 12 in my head at times.
I like having he whole package. Graphics, gameplay, story Tell me would UNcharted series be as good if the graphics sucked? Gameplay is just as important as graphics. Hell I am playing Crono Trigger again and loving every minute of it. But great graphics can make a really good game into a great game.
Graphics are the perfect icing/decoration for a delicious cake. You don't need to have icing and decorations on a great tasting cake. When you bite into that cake you'll love it, but when you see that cake all made up like a wedding cake, and then but it makes the cake that much more better. You see it and go wow, then you taste it and fall in love. Yum.
I love cake too.
nom nom nom
The cake is a lie.
2006, Graphics are the Best!!! 2010, Who cares about Graphics?
The obvious responses from obvious characters.
I can give you a perfect reason as to why graphics don't matter anymore, but it would cause a fight. So I'll leave that to your imagination.
xbots love saying that for some reason...
Ahhh I care about graphics! Who ever tells you that graphics doesn't matter is an idiot. Come what's gonna sell when advertised?? A game that looks like a turd or a game that looks like Crysis 2??? Even of the game play and story sucks 90% of people rate a game on it's looks. This comes for the guys who said ME2 looked better on the PS3.... IGN FAIL! Again!
Graphics are important as long it makes sure the game runs smooth in the first place. For example: Haze had bad graphics for the console it was released but at least it runs smooth unlike some other good looking games on the platform like Heavenly Sword (and because of that this 1 suffered).
Good point, Ninja Gaiden did that the best last gen.
Also like Shadow of the Colossus (PS2) or Resident Evil 1 Remake (Gamecube) like many others in all 3 previous consoles :)
I give credit to a game if its graphically good. But i was never big on graphics -GAMEPLAY FTW-
Agreed to a degree. Demons souls was so awesome the art design and game play more than made up for the lack of stellar graphics. However, when i play a game like uncharted or god of war i just expect a level of graphical prowness. graphics do matter but they are not everything.
For me no I only expect a good game experience gameplay wise I have enjoyed my fair share of live and indie games they are fun to play same with 360 games.
simply put i cant play games with bad graphics cause i like to move forward in gaming in all aspects graphics, game play, and physics.
I called this months ago. We are going to start seeing a lot of graphics and exclusives don't matter articles and they are slowly starting to come in. Wonder why that is...... /s IGN are among the biggest hypocrites in the media today. They themselves are as much to blame as most other sites comparing graphics between games (exclusives and multiplats). Noww let's write articles about their importance to gaming. The gaming media has become completely irrelevant. Nothing but hypocrisy and contradictions. These garbage sites just write what ever it takes to get hits and hardly any of it is worth reading. Does anyone see the gaming media as a valued source of information any more? All I see is a gaper delay. For those that are not familiar with the term gaper delay it means "those that are the cause of a traffic jam by rubbernecking drivers slowing down to take a look at an accident or other incident of disturbance, on their road or the road next to them." That is what the media is today. Just one big horrible accident that you just can't help but stare at no matter how horrid the site of it is.
Sony will never get a break.
Do you people even read articles or just read the title and see it's IGN and start off a rant? O.o ... or was the article just not worth reading? Lemme clue you in, the article is about how one doesn't need to constantly upgrade PC hardware nowadays since the tech boundaries aren't being pushed like they used to be.
Based on a conversation he had with himself through my PM box, he probably didn't read it.
Calling someone a hypocrite when you yourself are one? makes a lot of sense.
Well here is the thing. I'm personally not much of a graphics person but than again I do not want a game I pay $60 for to look like crap either no matter how good the game actually is because it's just bothersome to have to constantly look at it. But recently games that are coming out have good graphics so there is no problem with that.
Amazing graphics are nice and all, but they aren't necessary for a game to good. Would Super Meat Boy have been better if it was running on CryEngine 3. Would Uncharted be less enjoyable if it wasn't as good looking? No.
I think the answers to your questions would be yes and yes. Part of the excellence and magic of Uncharted series is how good it looks, it;s ability to draw you in and feel for the characters. Would you feel as connected to the characters if they looked like last gen stick figures with no personality? Most definitely not. Read the reviews of UNcharted 2. Everyone raves about how good it looks and how fluid the animations are. Graphics DO matter THIS gen. It doesn't matter if the console is not capable of it. IE. Wii, DS, PSP, and to a certain extent 360.
I care about graphics - like women, they have to look good (not 10/10) but a lot of other things go into whether she's GF material. Good graphics are necessary but not sufficient pretty much.
I Do. Good Night!
*raises hand* Me.
every1 loves god of war uncharted etc
I was one to quickly say I didn't care years ago, but the truth is, it matters. Whether you care about it or not is a personal subject between no one but you. Graphics pull you in. Gameplay makes you stay.
NOT THE 360 FANBOYS
Just the usual 'fox and the grapes syndrome' you don't have something so you pretend or convince yourself that you don't want or need it.Your game is not up to standards or is sub par in the graphics department so you cling to whatever is left. This is one of the main reasons people jump all over UC2 and GOW3 and try desperately to compare them to every game imaginable. Castlevania, Alan Wake and Enslaved for UC2, Bayonetta, Dante's Inferno, Castlevaina, Darksiders for GOW3. It's gotten so bad that that some people actually deluded themselves into thinking that Conduit looked as good as modern day shooters like Gears and KZ. Graphics are not the MOST important aspect of a game but think of how GOW and KZ would look with out it's lighting and special effects to immerse you into the world. I know I will get a million disagrees for writing all of this but stop using every excuse in the book to try and convince yourselves that graphics don't matter because you own a system that can't raise or reach the bar set for graphics.It's stupid articles like this which are one of the reasons why I don't listen to IGN.
Conduit used shaders that current hd console where using and the big horray was hey look zbrush data can be used on Wii games. The biggest effect that made hd gaming next gen was some thing called a normal map. Other said it wasn't even possible since the Wii runs off a fixed shader pipeline. The biggest problem the Wii has is it can support higher resolution normal maps. Nothing beats fixed function hardware though. Also many Wii games have raised the visual bar by a lot thanks to the conduit. So it was more of a turning point that got us red steel 2 and monster hunter, demon sword, ton vs cap, and the graphics of Mario galaxy 2 and the current dkc returns. Yet they did not sacrifice game play for graphics. This was part of the problem with conduit. Part two is going to fix that but that doesn't matter since fps would be better. The whole point of the Wii is 3d game play had been lacking for a while and this was the gen to fix that since the next gen will give you great graphics reguardless of the artist. So the big whoop over conduit was Devs and fanboys claiming certain things can't be done. The point of this article is there isn't much more to get out of the graphics and game play needs some work. It's time to find the next hype machine.
Technology drives graphics. If we no longer care about graphics, why bother creating new hardware?
Well we are rapidly approaching the point where the new hardware created will be vastly ahead of what the average game company is able to effectively use. Not there yet, however. I give it a decade. Eventually gamers will expect not just open worlds, but open GALAXIES at the same level of detail. This would require more than just generative level design, the amount of artists, and budget, needed to fill that vast space would be way beyond anybody but the biggest company's development studios. emphasis on the plural studioS. Point is, the further tech goes, the bigger the gap between the big guys and the little guys. Expect more games like super meat boy even when we hit DX19 and 100TB of video ram
Problem is we have two more gens of graphic upgrades that no one is using because we are stuck on consoles and gamers are unwilling to ride the tech dragon any more. The consoles do have limits. On top of that we are reaching some limits of graphical tech. With out new needs to fulfill then there is no funding for those games or hardware.
Awesome Graphics are awesome...I personally find great visuals help certain types of games (such as Uncharted) a lot...it improves the experience
I care...graphics can truly add to a game but not define it. I am playing God of War collection now and its incredible although the graphics are somewhat outdated. However I would not play the PS2 version of those games since they would look horrible on an HDTV.
In order for graphics not to matter it'd have to be one HELL OF A GAME. Besides, most good games have great graphics anyway, or at the very least good. I can't think of a whole lot of good games with GODAWFUL graphics All the GTAs looked fine BTW.
When graphics reach greater than CGi from what we have seen in avatar and other films that is when graphics should not matter.
Wii owners do because they have never had a console with HD graphics.
They have pcs with current direct x gpus waiting for Devs to use up console tech. It's funny how one group complain about old tech while holding back new tech because they can afford it. Sounds like a Wii gamer right? I mean if you like cod and sequels to games many won't really replay. That's fine. Also notice how it's not Wii gamers that's been complaining this gen.
I do care. Those games with sh*t graphics make me angry and quit.
Even if Uncharted 2 has sub-par graphics, the gameplay would still be the same. It just wouldn't feel the same if the game is an eyesore. So yes graphics are important, but the gameplay is still the reason why I bought UC2 in the first place, even though it has amazing visuals.
The masses doesn't care for graphics. They care for fun and accessibility. The Wii killing the competition in sells (over 84 million sold) this gen is evidence of that. It is mostly nerdcore gamers, such as the ones who post on internet forums, who care about "OMGZ GraphX". I personally care more about fun factor and creative design more than anything else. That's why games such as Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and Smash Bros remains as one of my most favorite games of all time.
All art/entertainment is about providing a human being (or a cleverly disguised alien) with an experience, therefore all aspects of a work of art are relevant only in relation to the experience the work is trying to provide ... or something. When I dim the lights, lie on my couch with a bottle of wine and turn on a movie, nine times out of ten I'm looking for something with a good story that will change me as a person. When I drop my pants around my ankles. prop up a box of tissues next to me, hunch over my computer monitor like a mad scientist's helper and open my secret hidden folder, I'm never looking for something with a deep and engaging story. It's the same with games. Graphics are important to a game like Killzone 3 which is all about bombarding you with immediate thrills and 'whoa I can't believe what I'm seeing' moments but less important in games like the Civilization series or World of goo ... which incidentally is also the name of one of the movies in my secret folder.
lol. I agree, and I love your analogies. And trust me, your girl/wife/mother knows about your "secret" folder...
Graphics do matter. Any one who has ever played a game like pac man at an arcade and then played it on the atari 2600 will tell you the more enjoyable experience was the arcade version. Why, because the graphics were that much better. Both had the exact same gameplay. At least thats what my experiences were from growing up as a kid way back when.
It was also more functional in the arcade. Take ninja gaiden the arcade version and you'll see the Nes version was the best due to game play and even better story design due to thelimits of the Nes. We get better visuals on hd games yet loose frame rate and even some controll responsiveness. Most of you wouldn't know this because you've never played s real pc game. Much like all those kids that liked the atari version over the arcade pacman. Which was based off branding which led to et hype and the suits believing hype was better than good games. There is a similar thing happen right now.
Ah, yes, that's right: new year also means the rolodex of discussion topics turns over. Next week, we can talk about whether a six-hour game is too short or not.
God IGN has been writing shit articles lately. As for who cares about graphics anymore? Well, apparently everybody in the gaming media until the PlayStation 3 summarily began beating the Xbox 360 in the graphics department, ESPECIALLY in the exclusives area. Why, if I remember correctly, just a few short years ago, IGN themselves would deduct points from the PlayStation 3 version of most multi-platform titles if it dared to have a few pixels short of the 360 version. As a visual medium, the gaming industry's biggest draw were its graphics. Game play is paramount, but Graphics are an equally important part of the total package. It's like trying to decide if sound, or picture is more important in film, or the melody or lyrics in music, or the plot or characters in a book. They are ALL integral to the total package. As a gamer of 31 years old, I've seen the gaming industry grow in many ways, from the size of the market, to the quality of the technology. Thinking back on the games I used to play when I was a boy, and the games I play now, I'm absolutely AMAZED. Graphics are vital to conveying the message of your game. They don't have to be state of the art as long as player's are accurately getting the tone/theme of your game. Silent Hill wouldn't be Silent Hill if the game was bright and sunny, with rainbows everywhere. Silent Hill COULD be made scary with pixel graphics, but it's distinct 3D, high detail feel help sell you the terrifying circumstances that the protagonists find themselves in. Graphics and Game Play are like a marriage. Both are equally important, and compromises will always be required. Most of the mainstream gaming populace cares about graphics. About as much as they care about the big blockbuster movies. I don't see epic drama's grossing $600 million worldwide, and yet Michael Bay's Transformers films, a visual movie, grosses that no sweat. The best-selling games this generation have often had the most impressive graphics. If mainstream gamers DIDN'T care about graphics, then quality Wii games like De Blob and Zack and Wiki would have sold WAAAAY MORE than they did. We all like to pretend that visuals don't matter, but the moment a new Lens of Truth or Digital Foundry comparison pops up, we're all over them (well, I don't pay attention to either, but reading the epic meltdowns in the comments section are great).
Answer; EVERYONE it is time for new consoles, they are showing their age, especially xbox360, but all truely, 720p is becoming obsolete in all other tech realms (i.e. laptops, monitors, tv's, projectors, dvd and blura-y media, vudu hd streaming) these thingss are all 1080p, yet every console game that is not some stupid flash game that should be free is 720p or worse. Not to mention the jaggies everywhere, the horrible framerates, the games are choking and crippling the consoles to a point where they barely run playable. That why I love those, "are the consoles maxed yet?" articles, fuck yes they are. 720p @ 28 frames per second is Beyond maxed, it is destroying the machine. If uncharted 2 looked like crackdown 2, no one would be talking about it right now. Ohhhhhh PC, you are my only hope!
True. Thats why everyone loves Pong graphics still. I mean its the best!!!
I never did. 1. Super Mario Bro's 2. Galaga 3. Pacman 4. Donkey Kong 5. Double Dragon 6. The legend of Zelda 7. Alundra 8. Suikoden 9. Ico 10. Shadow Of The Colossus Those are my top 10 favorite games of all time. They are timeless and so perfect they don't need anyone speaking out about their greatness.
i care about graphics and gameplay. i was 6 when the nes launched in the u.s., and i don't want to go back. i am not into retro games because i played all the retro games back when the retro games were,,,,,,,,new. i like positive progression in games.
i was also 6 when the NES launched in the US in '85, and i don't want to go back either. i still play some of those classics from time to time, but for nostalgia, not for my current gaming fix. i figured, i served my time in the trenches when it comes to old school graphics, and i've earned some eye candy. a lot of young gamers play those Virtual Console titles on their Wii, and think that earns them street cred, but gamers like you and me played those games when they were the ONLY options out there. no playing for 10 minutes, getting bored, then popping in Halo: Reach or Call of Duty. the graphics may seem poor now, but back then, games like Super Mario Bros, Castlevania, and Contra were considered state of the art. graphics mattered THEN, and they still do now. some game design types are timeless (ie, Super Mario Bros, Zelda, etc), but i guarantee people would be all over it if Nintendo decided to remake those classic games with current gen technology (not Wii tech, i'm talking about PC and PS3 level tech). i've been loving these PS2 HD remakes, and i'm eager for more. i still have to get the Sly and Prince of Persia Collection, but i'm looking forward to Ico/Shadow of the Colossus the most. i've been holding off replaying them on my PS3, because i want to experience the games with a rock solid frame rate and HD visuals. God of War Collection was AWESOME, and here's hoping to a Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, MGS, FF, and Silent Hill Collection. thrown in ZoE 1 and 2 HD, Kingdom Hearts, and the Level 5 PS2 RPGs (Dark Clouds and Rogue Galaxy), and i wouldn't have much reason to keep my backwards compatible PS3.
It matters as much as the gameplay.
Why does everything have to be so black and white? Sure graphics and horsepower matter. But to the core of what video gaming is, state of the art graphics aren't necessary so much as they are an enhancement. Everyone cares about graphics. But we all care to different extents.
People who drop hundreds of dollars for the newest cards or consoles....? Maybe, I don't know....
I think it does matter to a certain point, but fun factor, game play and most importantly an engaging story far out weight the graphics. But the fact is, graphics do give out better 1st impression -> better potential sell. I mean that all we can judge on until we get to play it. Which is more tolerable? 1. A game w/ best graphic but lack in gameplay and story? 2. A game w/ great gameplay and story but poor in graphics?
Graphics are adding to game +2, but gameplay is the most factor.. For me decent graphics are PS2's, Xbox, gamecube, Wii.. graphics for these days are driving people crazy, many of them are playing games only for it,yes..with lower tech you can't make a lot of enemies on screen or maybe you can (look at Ps2's & xbox's BLACK)..they can make it with software if they aren't lazy like a lot of devs now.. ..if we are talking about remakes, I like them too, especially from PS1, because I can't stand PS1's most games graphics..some games on Sega & SNES look a lot of better that PSx's.. true :) I am not a big graphics fan, but if game has superb graphics and no good gameplay, I got bored in about 10 minutes of it..