Is Treyarch Selling Cancelled Maps?

Garrett Hartman of RipTen; "Yes, these are maps that have been cancelled…yet they bear some of the names of the maps announced..."

[KingNintendoFanboy]

Very fishy indeed.

[MrAwesome]

It's most likely Activision's work I can only imagine the conversation.
Ac:Hey this game has to much content take some away and then we'll sell it as DLC
Tr:But this is only the game's Beta...
Ac:Meh.who cares? everbody is going to buy it anyway.
Tr:The game's not even ready yet!
Ac:How many maps does it have?
Tr:25
Ac:25! are you crazy??? put in 14 we'll sell the rest in DLC, $15 for 5 maps our best idea yet; oh and you guys can start working in the next CoD.

[I_find_it_funny]

hahaha who cares Cod crowd will pay for everything

[n4f]

loll yeah its its like the best game ever made by human being ///s

[gm999]

yep ithink they r selling rejected maps

[BattleAxe]

Hopefully the map pack gets reviewed, and even after that I'm going to ask my friends what they think before i buy it. I can use my friends as guinea pigs.

[HopSkotch]

Everyone in the gaming industry today is selling out :/ disappointing...

[frostypants]

When was it NOT about money? They've just found more ways to get it.

[HopSkotch]

It just seems money is more emphasized now. Seems its all about the money more than it used to be...but then again it could've been that i was a child 10 years ago and didn't buy my own games lol

[r1sh12]

This was always gonna happen.
I mean MW2 and infinity ward put out COD4 maps because they didnt want to put any effort into making new maps.
It already happened with Black Ops,
The hardened edition and prestige editions etc..Had the old zombie maps. (i already paid for them, so why must I pay again?).
I just got the standard edition, but the fact that many game dev's are doing this now is pretty bad. It seems like they want minimal effort and maximum profit.
I wouldnt be surprised if we see some W@W maps turn up as DLC.
This is the last activision game I will buy, Ive said it even before it came out.
Call of Duty is done, Im not sure if its only me but Im already finding it quite boring.

[hakeem0996]

Just like i didn't buy any of the $15 maps of MW2 ,i wont be buying these maps either if the prices are ridiculous .But seriously people what's the point of that articles? so these maps were canceled probably because they wouldn't be finish in time for lunch now that they have time ,they got finished and end of story. Most FPS maps packs were probably from canceled batch because they wouldn't make deadline .
STOP ACTING LIKE MORONS AND STOP APPROVING STUPIDITIES.

[jaredhart]

Either sites are being duped or Black Ops players are.

I'd put nothing past Kotick.

[antz1104]

EPIC SKETCHY

[Drjft]

Yeah this looks very suspicious indeed.

[SnakeMustDie]

People gets scammed easily. Thats how it works.

[karl]

they sell... u buy

thats how it works...

[spektical]

wow lol

talk about a scam.

[come_at_me_bro]

The sad part being this is probably extremely common behind closed doors this day in age. Is it really so horrible to release free content for your fans?

[R_aVe_N]

Activision and free do not fit in the same sentence... As much as I disliked Valve for years at least they get the DLC thing right, and give their fans what they deserve.

[Paralex]

The word FREE does not go well in ANY BUSINESS. The point of a business is to sell their product and make a profit. And don't give me that retarded argument of BFBC2 having free maps since they were already included on the disc. Think about it like this: you wouldn't work at your job for no pay, right? Any good a company makes will never be free, somebody will be paying for it. Also, why does it matter if these maps were made before or after the game's launch? Does making a map AFTER launch make them worth more? The work was still put into those maps regardless.

It just surprises me how most people on N4G expect everything for free and how they think that every gaming company is out to get them. If things were that ridiculously bad, then you wouldn't even consider gaming as a hobby. But since they're not, you have no right to complain.

[Petro]

@Paralex Free doesn't go well in any business? Never heard of such stupid generalisation before. There are loads of companies that release their workings for free or even free for the user but filled with advertisement.

Where is your proof that Bad Company 2 maps were on the disc? I bet they had to work on the maps before they could release them.

And when people can get stuff for free from some other place, why should you pay for the same stuff elsewhere?

- I am game developer myself. Making a TBS for my own enjoyment. This game will probably never be released but if it will be it's going to be free!

[vickers500]

Is it really so hard to muster up the 5-15 bucks (depending on the game) needed to buy the extra content?

The companies that do release free DLC (DLC that's actually worth anything at least) do it so they can attract attention to their game and get more sales for it because it isn't that popular, they don't do it because they're nice, they do it because it's good advertising/promotion.

Why would someone work hard for nothing other than your pleasure?

Wait, here's another question: Can you come over and paint my house? Would that really be so horrible?

[dredgewalker]

You must work for Activision if you're gonna defend that kind of business strategy. Even we give our customers free gifts as a "thank you" for helping our business grow and for being faithful customers. That's also one of the reasons why Infinity Ward left Activision because they are too greedy. I swear that this generation is full of douchebags who only think of themselves.

[ReservoirDog316]

Haha, well good will to man or not, free dlc that's worth something is still nice.

[FGHFGHFGH]

yes map packs are a rip off. before game studios would release the sdk after the game has been out for a while and fans would just make maps, skins, etc.(mods) Bethesda, Bioware, and other developers still do this on pc as it extends the life of the game u know for the people that pay for them. here's an example of a free crysis mod

[vickers500]

So anyone who doesn't give free handouts and who doesn't work for nothing is greedy?

And what business do you work for where you give out free gifts as a thank you? Do you personally spend a weeks/months worth of labor and time on your customers just to "thank them" for your business?

Do you actually believe you are entitled to free sh*t, just because a few other companies have released free DLC? That just because you think "Well THEY give me free stuff, so why doesn't Activision?", that you are actually entitled to free DLC?

Sure it would be a nice gesture if they did give us something free, but they don't owe US, just as we don't owe them. Just because somebody doesn't give away something for free, it doesn't make them some evil, greedy, money grubbing corporation (although Activision is that, I'm just speaking in terms of all companies), all it means is that they don't give out sh*t for free.

[dredgewalker]

@Vickers

It is simply "good will" as Reservoir has said. You do know this is Activision we are talking about? They owe the people who made COD a succesful franchise and it is simply a good business practice to reward them with free stuff. I'm not saying they should give away tons of free dlc's but a simple token of gratitude will not hurt their earnings.

I don't know why you think this is a healthy business practice but in the long run it's gonna bite them back in the ass. I work as a goldsmith in our family business and keeping a good relationship with our customers is a common business practice here where I live. You lack ethics and morals if you think that Activisions business model is acceptable. Businesses need to earn but they should never forget about making the customers happy or else they will lose them. I'm grateful that you replied but I honestly think that you need to re-evaluate your values cause you sound like a wanker.

[frostypants]

Free DLC is nice.

But expecting it to be free is no less greedy than Activision wanting to charge for it.

And vickers500 is right, no one gives stuff out for free just to be nice. They do it to build loyalty. They are getting something in return. It's not charity.

Besides, if these maps are anything like the MW/MW2 DLC, they'll be a waste of time anyway.

[RayRay36]

Would you pay someone to paint your house and then have to pay extra to paint you shutters? If you choose not to, your house is unfhinished, if you pay, your a dumbass. Ever hear of a word called logic? I suggest you start using it immediately.

[vickers500]

"They owe the people who made COD a succesful franchise and it is simply a good business practice to reward them with free stuff."

Like I said, yeah, it would be nice, but why do you think Activision or any other successful company owes their customers anything? Is every company in your eyes required to give out free sh*t unless they want to be thought of as greedy and evil?

"You lack ethics and morals if you think that Activisions business model is acceptable."

Never said it was. But not giving out sh*t, while not nice, is completely acceptable and understandable. You are acting like the customers have to buy their games, and act like the customers aren't getting anything out of buying Call of Duty games (this also applies to other games as well, so don't think I'm just defending Activision).

When I buy a game of a long/semi-long running franchise, I don't think to myself, "damn, these guys owe me some free sh*t because I've bought all their games, what a bunch of a-holes for not giving me anything", I simply enjoy the game I'm playing and would be happy and grateful for them just to make another game, and that's where I draw the line of thinking they owe me. Simply to continue making games.

From what you say in your comment, it seems like you think buying games is a chore, and that you should be paid/given something for that chore. Well it's not, and you shouldn't. You know what thanks you get for buying their games? The opportunity to play something for a mere 65 dollars that costs millions to make (and yet again, some people on this site don't read a lot of the time, so I will clarify yet again, this applies to all companies/devs).

edit - "Would you pay someone to paint your house and then have to pay extra to paint you shutters? If you choose not to, your house is unfhinished, if you pay, your a dumbass. Ever hear of a word called logic? I suggest you start using it immediately."

*facepalm*

First off, if you're going to call someone a dumbass, then I suggest you learn the difference between "your" and "you're".

Second, it's your own damn fault for hiring the painter in the first place. Some people don't care about shutters, and just want the base painted, and some people while they kind of do care about those shutters, can simply look past it because it's not that big of a deal and have the positive parts of the house overshadow the negative parts of the house.

Besides, it's not like you couldn't have looked up public information about that painter and realized that he had some pretty shady business practices. You could have looked and decided for yourself to see if it was worth it in your eyes.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

@Vickers

How many copies of Call of Duty have been sold already? I think those greedy bastards can afford to give out some free DLC.

[dredgewalker]

@vickers

All I'm saying is that Activision can and should after all the buggy releases they made with COD as a compensation. Well I won't force the issue anymore if that is how you think but I do honestly despise Activisions business practices so I'll never support them. Businesses aren't just about earning money, it's about earning it while keeping you're customers happy. Anyway it's been an interesting discussion and again even if we have different opinions I thank you for being civil so bubs to you. :)

[jdrman2007]

Although I don't entirely agree with your stance you make some good points and unlike most people here you express yourself as though you at least value your high school education so here's a (+).

[vickers500]

"How many copies of Call of Duty have been sold already? I think those greedy bastards can afford to give out some free DLC."

I completely agree, but I don't think they are obligated to do it and certainly shouldn't be seen as any different from the rest of the companies who don't give out free things (well, for that one reason alone I mean, not the other numerous reasons they are different and are greedy bastards).

"Anyway it's been an interesting discussion and again even if we have different opinions I thank you for being civil so bubs to you. :)"

Thank you for your level of maturity as well. Usually people just throw insults at me covered with obscenities, so bubbles to you and jdrman2007 as well.

[Petro]

Problem here most certainly ain't that one should get that map pack for free. It's the fact that its EXPENSIVE. I can get brand new game or few for 15€. If the pack had bigger punch, the price would be fine.

[Sagetech]

I'm sure Kotick and his crew wouldn't release a bunch of low-quality,scrapped,unfinishe d stuff to the public for a quick buck,he cares about the gaming community and the quality of his products...just had to dodge lightning from God for telling such lies...

[NotChrisHansen]

this is a scam! I remember seeing pics of these 2 maps months ago!

[jwk94]

Of course it's a scam, but the people who play these games don't care. They're not on n4g or a gaming website searching this shit up, they're busy contributing to the milk fest.

[jizzyjones]

If there cheeky enough to charge £45 for the game, nothing would surprise me. They should be free especially after snubbing the PS3 version. 4 free battlefield bad company2 maps the other week, thats how ur supposed to do things.

[floetry101]

Virtually every map that has been provided via DLC for the CoD series has been cancelled, and then re-issued with tweaks. This is not new, and I would be surprised if that wasn't the case for other multiplayer developers. It doesn't strike me as a strange move in any sense. Of course, the price is absolutely over-the-top and I won't be buying it any time soon.

Just to clarify, Treyarch isn't selling these maps, Activision is.

[Masterchef2007]

wow just shows that all activision cares about is money and not customer satisfaction. They dont care about the people who buy the game as long as they know that the game will sell regardless of quality

[Spenok]

Ok so what exactly is fishy about these maps? So they were cut from the game early on, after the massive sales they decided to go back and finish them up and make them DLC... i dont see what harm there is in that. Use whats already created to have them out sooner.

Maybe im just missing something, someone wanna help me out here?

[frostypants]

People think they are entitled to free stuff. That's about it. It's a generational thing.

[Spenok]

Ahhh, i see. So people are just being bitchy a greedy. Awesome. Oh how i love they way the world works lol.

[thrasherv3]

So it's fine If Reach does it but not CoD?

Back in July IGN posted a shit-load of new images from Reach and one of the screenshots was of a map no one knew. Everyone thought it was an unannounced map but then the game was released and the map wasn't there. Two months later it appears in a map pack. That isn't a rumor, that's a fact. Yet all this is is a "rumor" and everyone is up-in-arms. IMHO map packs nowadays are a scam and I refuse to buy them but I didn't see ONE article about the scam that is Noble map pack when it was announced.

EDIT: And Reach's situation was worse. It cam with only 8 maps out of the box! This game actually has a healthy dose of maps...

[SpitFireAce85]

They should first fix the servers/lag,disconnects etc:
and then maybe try and sell some maps...$10.not..$15

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Well,if these maps(5 total,i believe) were originally intended to be in the retail version(60$) but were cut and later packaged as 'new dlc maps' for 15$.....
If you bought a dozen eggs and discovered the carton only contained ten but the remaining two were pulled and available seperately at a slightly higher price than the average of the rest....what would you think.

[thrasherv3]

Worst analogy evar.

[SnakeShady]

i will never buy this shit.

[Ch1d0r1]

Agreed. People are bitching and in reality all they do is play COD games.

I will never buy a cod game, unless its used and under $10 on craigslist

[visualb]

15$ for 5 initially cancelled maps with purpose of being sold later

or

15$ for a whole new sub-game with new weapons, new vehicles, graphic models, 5 new maps
and over all a brand new gaming experience

*thinks* nah Activision aren't ripping off the consumer! /s

excuse my "trolling", but I do this because it saddens me to see gamers being extorted like this...no it doesn't sadden me

it makes me sick to the stomach.

[mobijoker]

DLC should be stopped.Now most devs release 6 hours game and then they release dlcs which are just missing portions of the main game.C'mon maps should be free.They even don't release modding tools bcoz they know then there will be thousand time better content on the net for free.

[Calm Down Sunshine]

Good stuff, the people that buy this toss deserve it.

[Nate-Dog]

Lol barely anyone complained about MW2 having CoD4 maps and IW/Activision charging people for something they made years and years ago and already got people to pay money for, but now people complain about this. I give up.

[Batmau5]

After Vietnam, a mere map pack doesn't do it for me.

[RevXM]

Showelvision and Betayarch.
Robbery Kottick is smiling from one ear to the other.

[Xander756]

If true it just goes to how lazy Treyarch really is.

[Paralex]

Yeah, they're so lazy that they're constantly listening to community feedback, making live hotfixes daily, and patching their game. Say what you want about them, but the last thing you should be calling them is lazy.

[Xander756]

They can't make their own CoD, they just build off what IW did. What else do they have to do BUT all those things you listed?

Plus, I think you forgot ripping off customers by selling scrapped maps in that list of activities.

[Spenok]

Do you not realize that games every day, (and i mean every game ever made) has content cut from it before the final release? Many games never see that content ever again. There doomed to rot on the cutting board.

Now they could be cut for various reasons. Be it because it wasnt fit for the game, or they didnt have the time or budget to put it in, or it just wouldnt work etc...

Now when a game gets DLC to add to the experience and keep the gameplay fresh then why be so upset? As thrasherv3 said above me Bungie did this with Halo Reach and NO ONE said anything, or as IW did with MW2 and releasing maps that just about everyone already paid for with MW.

On the other note if content is left on the disk and all your paying for is an unlock code ala Resident Evil 5 or Mafia II then yea, thats just plain BS. And f-ed up of you ask me. But i somehow doubt thats the case here.

Honestly to me it just sounds like people are bitching for the sake of bitching, and asking for a free cookie when they dont deserve shit.

[CrzyFooL]

I don't think people are so much mad at the fact that they are releasing cancelled/unfinished maps as they are that they want $15 for them. $5? Sure. $10? Maybe. $15? GTFO.

[Xander756]

I make games for a living. Do you? Or are you just some kid...?

[Spenok]

@CrzyFooL

Makes sense honestly. I havent bought a single map pack for any Cod simply because of the price. Though i do like this on the best out of all of them, i still dont know if i plan on buying these or not. I guess we will see.

[yamzilla]

is that how bad the game looks on console??

I played it on my brothers 360 and thought it looked a bit washed out and jaggie, but those maps look like xbox1 gfx.