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Naughty Dog: “We Have No Limits” On The PS3

RipTen was lucky enough to catch up with Naughty Dog at the 2010 VGAs – not surprisingly, they made some bold statements about what it’s like to be a PS3 exclusive developer.

NAGNEWS5290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

well that is a good news

Edited; even if you're positive with trolls on N4G you will get disagree anyway

deadreckoning6665290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

"Edited; even if you're positive with trolls on N4G you will get disagree anyway"

Your baiting them with that statement. Thats probably way you have an excess of disagrees. Your also likely getting disagrees for not acknowledging that every console has a limit...no matter how powerful.

The statement isn't meant to be taken literally.

"The PS3 isn't outdated yet"

1. Thats not the argument. The argument is whether or not Naughty Dog has limits on the PS3...and they do. If PS3 had no limits...then I guess we will never see a PS4 then right?

2. The PS3 ALONG with the 360 IS outdated as far as raw processing power. Both HD consoles are behind the latest PC tech by about 4 years.

"not really, you cant compare the ps3 design to a pc just doesn't make sense."

So, I can't compare the PS3 design to a PC, yet I see PLENTY of people on this site constantly comparing PS3 to 360 games graphically. How convinient lol.

"What do you want anyways? A new console every 3 years that costs 600 bucks just to say you have state of the art? Not to mention how every dev would never be able to keep up with hardware turn over rates like that..."

Heavens no. When did I say that? I'm just saying that the PS3 does have limits..thats all. Stop assuming dude.

jack_burt0n5290d ago

not really, you cant compare the ps3 design to a pc just doesn't make sense.

the ps3 is incredibly versatile if u have the time and money to configure it the way you want it thats what ND mean by this statement..

Dragon_Hiko5290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

And why is it, that crysis 1, made how many years ago...is still the defacto game PC gamers point at for graphics? Yes Those PC developers are really paving the way aren't they?

What do you want anyways? A new console every 3 years that costs 600 bucks just to say you have state of the art? Not to mention how every dev would never be able to keep up with hardware turn over rates like that...

The more used to the machine devs get, the more flexibility they have. Which is exactly what ND is talking about. More experience, more flexibility which translates directly to better graphics.

gamesR4fun5290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

spin twist and lie if wikileaks thought us anything its never to trust a mockingbird... Like the OP said you cant have a good story without it being trolled. Cant say anything pro sony without putting your bubs on the line...

So yeh good news for sony to have made a great piece of tech and thrown it wide open so devs like ND can do whatever they want with it. GOTY again Id say cant wait tho i need another full time job for all these games.

Cartesian3D5290d ago

from what I saw its not that wrong.. there is no limitation about storage , and if you can render a 720p picture with perfect textures and ultra high poly characters and environment in perfect 30 FPS then I think you are near that statement..

anyway I cant believe they choose MY F***ing birthday for release date

Biggest5290d ago

Really, Ripten? You guys did the interview. You know what he said and how he said it. Yet you quote things they way you want and try to change the context the way you want. And then you provide us with the video. He did say they have no limits. He also said that they don't have to worry about coding for other platforms. He didn't say anything bold there. He didn't hint at any other platform specifically. It is a 100% fact that developers can use all of their resources on one project if they only have one project to complete. He said what he said not to say that the PS3 is an all powerful god, but that they as a team have the time and resources to make the best possible experience on the PS3.

evrfighter5290d ago

"And why is it, that crysis 1, made how many years ago...is still the defacto game PC gamers point at for graphics? "

because developers like Crytek jumped the gun before they realized Crysis was indeed a hit and decided to develop for consoles. HAD they waited and saw that Crysis would sell millions...

we wouldn't be even talking about it and they would have never blamed piracy.

developers like steam continue to pave the way for console gamers. Gabe is single handedly prying the lid off of M$'s insane restrictions.

Ratchet5105290d ago

the ps3 is a lot more powerful than the 360 and pc. the ps3 is a, gaming, PC, blu-ray, wii, xbox360, satilite and a versatilite. Sony has their own products, hardware and software that are much better than pc and 360 and the ps3 has a 7 prossesor, 360 got 4, pc got 2-3. You pc fans keep forgeting that the ps3 is also a pc bacause it does everything the pc can do plus more.

kancerkid5290d ago

I am sure the developers meant that Sony puts no restrictions on what ND can or can not do with their game, story-wise, gameplay, etc. This is of course always a good thing to here, that they have creative freedom.

In fact, that is all I heard.

Of course PS3 is limited in its power, just like any other system. People who are saying "yea, PS3 is mad beast" didn't watch video or don't know what they are talking about.

iPad5289d ago

Bro, you always write a freaking essay on a gaming website.

........

iPad5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

Double post

/facepalm

DORMIN5289d ago

Naughty GODS.

Sure the hardware will eventually have limits, but I bet their creativity knows no bounds.

RageAgainstTheMShine5289d ago

"PS3 has no limits" at least the Naughty Gods have not reached it yet ..... if only Bunjie and Epic can make the same statement with the 360.... ND are the best at what they do!

RankFTW5289d ago

@Ratchet510

I don't know where to begin.

kancerkid5289d ago

What are people disagreeing with me for?

Naughty Dog said they have complete creative freedom under Sony, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

No, they are not saying the PS3 has unlimited power, you are just hearing that.

finnhima5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

He sure did bait them. Especially with you deadreckoning, A well known 360 centric troll being the first to comment to his post.

randomwiz5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

@Ratchet510 & rrw

Having more spu's than my quad core i7 does not equate to having a more powerful system...

Using your logic, my GPU should be the most powerful thing ever because it has hundreds of cores.

nveenio5289d ago

When was the last time someone said this about the PC or 360? I'm not sure they're just talking about hardware, though. I think they're talking about working with Sony. Plus, they're amazing. I don't even say that they're being "bold". They've already proven themselves. Saying that they're being bold would be like saying Michael Jordan is bold for wearing his six championship rings...

internalbit5289d ago

Is that why there are earth shattering ground breaking, out of this world graphic exclusive games coming out on PCs?

punkpop1015289d ago

Why the hell did you get disagrees by stating the obvius?Ps3 fanboys are the worst by far.At least they didn't storm my attempt at trying to downplay 360 just to see them agreeing for once.

Dee_915289d ago

@dead
no ...
theres a difference between the ps3 having no limit and Naughty Dog having no limits on the ps3 ..

hassi945289d ago

"And why is it, that crysis 1, made how many years ago...is still the defacto game PC gamers point at for graphics? Yes Those PC developers are really paving the way aren't they?"

I'm no PC fanboy but if you knew about PC gaming at all you'd realise there are games prettier than Crysis these days, for a few examples Crysis: Warhead, Metro 2033, GTAIV (with mods) and more. Crysis is referenced all the time because even now it is better looking than any PS3 game.

The reason that Crysis is still atop with the rest is due to the amazing programming that Crytek put into it. Computers now are only just getting powerful enough to run it at full SSAA, with ultra high settings at a ultra high resolution with 60fps. This is better than what Sony have done, people say Sony created a machine that games just keep getting better and better for. Well Crytek created a game that gets better and better looking as technology advances, with no actual change to the game itself! It's self improving, in a way, and that is one of the great things about PC gaming. I can play 10 year old games that look 5X better than they did when they came out just by tweaking my graphics cards settings.

Anyway, I'm not bashing sony in anyway, just stating my rebuttal to your point. I am an Xbox/PC player but I have great respect for Sony/Naughty Dog and what they can do with the limited hardware.

nickjkl5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

who remembers crysis 2007

8800 gtx direct x 9 1024x768 very high settings not getting 60 fps

gtx 580 directx 11 1900x1200 very high no AA still not getting 60 fps

now we just need to get to enthusiast levels with AA

Epicor5289d ago

Oh for god's sake guys. You are too busy doing your graphic wh*ring you don't see the point here. I don't think they are talkin about technical limititations. They are saying that they have free hands to do whatever they want. On other words Sony is not limiting their artistic view. And that's one of the main reasons why Sony has so great 1st and 2nd party developers.

SuperM5289d ago

Guys, when they say no limits they dont mean no graphical limit. They mean they have no limits in terms of what game they want to make. Example being the gameplay where nathan and sullivan is in a burning collapsing building. They can come up with an idea like that and they arent restricted by the hardware. They can basically make any kind of gameplay they want.

Thats why they have no limits. Other developers might say, "We cant do that, the hardware isnt powerfull enough to pull that off". Naughty Dog dont have to think like that. They can make whatever they want.

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rrw5290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

Obviously they speaking figuratively but they have reason.

because of PS3 have 7 processor as suppose 3 for xbox and usual 2-4 for PC. it have over more combination and possibility than xbox and most of commercial PC.

Obviously if someone make custom PC to aim better than PS3 is possible but that also can be said that you can customize Ps3 to make 4 PS3 work at same times on same games which been trial on GT5 where it achieve amazing 120 FPS or ultra high resolution of 3840 x 2160 pixels

http://www.gtplanet.net/for...

Ducky5290d ago

Number of processors (or cores) doesn't really mean much.
It's the speed of those processors that matters more. Though, PS3's cores are quite fast so I guess your point still stands.

kaveti66165289d ago

An SPU is not a core. My god, you guys are naive.

Number of cores doesn't matter, at all.

BubloZX5289d ago

the ps3 doesn't have 7 processors. It has 1 Processor with 8 SPU's(which are not the same as standard processors)and 1 master SPU. only 6 are available to developers. 1 is there if a SPU fails and 1 is used for either 3D if you updated or otherOS if you didn't. the 360 has 3 cores with 2 processors on it. But either way both the ps3 and 360 are outta date as i5 and i7 core processors are way more powerful. However the cell is holding up to the i5 processors pretty well

Sarcasm5289d ago

Actually Bublo, the 360 has 3 cores and 2 threads each, not processors. The PS3 has 1 processor with 1 master SPU and 6 SPUs.

Pjuice5289d ago

k now compare the video cards which mean way more in gaming then proccessor anyway

Oner5289d ago

That is an "old" PC way of thinking. GPU's are great but the technology behind the PS3's Cell for 4+ year old technology shows...scratch that ~ actually PROVE's a high end GPU is not the $#@! 100% needed.

Think about it. If the PS3, a CONSOLE I remind you, can put out visually amazing titles in the form of it's exclusives that get compared to PC's then a bell and a light bulb should be going on in & over your head.

Pjuice5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

thats why supercomputers are finally harnessing gpu power and have the fastest ones running telsa taking up half the power as a mainly cpu supercomputer would.......gpus are proving to be more efficient in every aspect now not just gaming. do you know how many spu's video cards have in pcs now lol well the ati 5970 has 3200 that card has yet to find a game to tame it, even with a crappy cpu. if mainstream gaming was on pc graphics would be unbelievable right now. and the cell cpu is designed to take load of the gpu and does that but the main part inside your ps3 thats pushing those games is the old 7900gtx

http://blogs.nvidia.com/201...

nickjkl5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

oh lawd pjuice get your facts straight

the ps3 graphics capability comes from offloading equations that can be done faster on the cell processor onto the cell processor

rather than the old way of thinking which is to put graphics processing task on the gpu and computational tasks on the cpu

the ps3 is a gen ahead in thinking

its sorta what amd is doing now having cpu and gpu work together to increase processing capability

also the supercomputer that uses cell processors is one of the top 100 power efficient computers in the world

Pjuice5288d ago (Edited 5288d ago )

ya its a gen ahead lol thats why everyone is leaving it behind and cell is dead. cell will not be in your next ps4 but i bet you a really beefy video card will be and you can argue its faster than high end pc's video cards for the next lifecycle and still be wrong, and sony will still be making boatloads off gamers by locking a pc which is all the 360/ps3 is, a locked pc.

http://www.trustedreviews.c...

Pjuice5288d ago (Edited 5288d ago )

im sry cell is still going i was wrong about that just going a different route cause that tech is being left behind :-) because of performance issues, and the fastest supercomputer is now xeon and nvidia tesla by alot and doesn't use have the power cause of tesla how come the high and mighty cell isn't there? it used to be the jaguar which had amd cpu's again no cell in there?

BubloZX5288d ago

Yeah I called the threads processors cause I couldn't remember the actual name. But the ps3 has 8. There are pictures of the cell that highlight each SPU then the master SPU. I've actually took the cell outta my friends 80 phat after it broke

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visualb5290d ago

come on now.

lets be realistic:

PS3 HAS LIMITS.

however

they haven't been reached yet

and thats insane...

Ratchet5105290d ago

that is true because sony said they dont need to make a ps4 because ps3 can do anything the next generation.

Dsnyder5290d ago

Naughty Dog is the most realistic company I know. If they say PS3 has no limits, then it has no limits. No need to even release PS4 sony. T3h CELL is infinite.

Dark_king5289d ago

O it has a limited but it requires alot of work to reach.as it stands now it can still fallback to a mix of local and cloud computing to increase performance.The clouds the limit here.

ct035289d ago

No limits? Then why are the Uncharted games in 720p, not 1080p? Please explain how this qualifies as "no limits".

madpuppy5289d ago

This is not very well known beyond a small circle of IBM Engineers and a few Highly paid physicists retained by Sony Corp. that the CELL processor has a quantum processing sub routine that controls a phase-shift engine that navigates through cosmic foam accessing a pocket dimension in the multi-verse where it gains infinite processing power from a matrix-core singularity.

Groovy, ain't it! :P

darksied5289d ago

I don't know about you, but I would like to see games on the ps3 with MLAA and in NATIVE 1080p, not up-scaled graphics. Now, if the ps3 has no limits, this should be possible. Please make it happen; my tv is now 52" and I'm now seeing the difference between a 1080p (still nice) picture and a 720p (ugh, not so much on 52").

SeanRL5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

The guy above has a point, the games are 720p, not 3D and Uncharted 3 only looks kind of better than 2. So they do have limits, and it's stupid to claim they don't

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Bathyj5289d ago

God, I really cant believe how butthurt people gt over these things.

Do I have to spell it out for you?

ITS AN EXPRESSION.
The PS3 cant render a billion billion polygons at 4000x2000@240fps.
Theres, it has a limit.
It cant run the 100m dash in under 10 seconds.
There, another limit.
It cant transport 20K colonist to Mars on a tank of grapefruit juice.

Wadda u no. Another limit.

I think is safe to say its meant to be taken figuratively not literally.

PS3's power is off the charts.
That DOES NOT mean we need to get new charts.
Grow up people.

The only part to need to worry about is

Ripten: Is it true Uncharted will push the PS3 further than any game thats come before.
ND: Its is true actually. (chuckles)

Ripten: What is like developing exclusively on PS3?
ND: It AWESOME.

Ju5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

Well, they sure have a point. If you can focus on one hw platform you can squeeze out whatever you can/want.

This time, however, KZ3 impresses me far more. The fire shaders in UC3 look impressive, indeed, but KZ3 simply doubled what they did in KZ2. We need more UC3 footage to see what UC3 can really do. The trailer was impressive, but I doubt that plane crash was in the game.

I am still waiting when MP (3rd party) games are reaching KZ2/UC2 levels. None has so far (some came maybe close).

Its time studios treat the PS3 as a different platform, IMO.

Bathyj5289d ago

just dont hold youre breathe while your waiting. I fear you would turn blue.

Lets face it, no one is going to touch Sonys games for graphics this gen because no one else is focusing their efforts like them.

One platform to work on, the best platform a that, all those studios sharing knowledge. It just makes for many happy Playstation owners.

Ju5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

Yeah, you probably right. I still think if one would/could do it, it would be a EA studio. They did such things before - MLAA in Saboteur or now ME2 on new engine. It's not quite the same, but they broke away a little bit from platform parity.

It could be possible, me thinks. One would need to design an engine which ignores all memory limitation on the PS3 (use a full virtual model and the advantage of BD) and scale the other version down - or create another "virtual layer" (and remove the the "virtualization". You can always map to real memory if you can't stream, for example).

Such an engine would always use the highest possible texture resolution for example (look at those rocks in UC or KZ - no rock looks the same, etc.).

Currently, this is not the case. Most engine try to do the same on 360/PS3/PC platforms and just "plugin" modules for the proper HW platform. That will not be enough.

SuperM5289d ago

That planecrash wont be in the game you say? Oh how wrong you are. That plane is going to crash during gameplay. Im sure of it.

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BeOneWithTheGun5289d ago

@ratchet510. What? I am an avid PS3 gamer but there is no way a PS3 is more powerful than a good gaming rig. Come on, man. Sure it has blu-ray. Well, so do a lot of PCs. It can browse the internet? Sure, albeit a very clunky, limited browser. PC can scream through multiple browser pages at one time.

I love me my PS3 but saying it is better than this:

http://www.dell.com/us/p/al...

is crazy, bro.

Elit3Gamer5289d ago

I can make a Gaming Rig like that one for Half the price. ;)

BeOneWithTheGun5289d ago

Lol, me too. I'm not that A.D.D. where I wanted to build one just to copy and paste the text for him.

NeoBasch5289d ago

Slightly off topic, but the people in this pic look like they're all thinking the same thing:

"Don't make me kill you."

lol

SaberEdge5289d ago

Any fixed hardware always has limits. That is obvious.

mastiffchild5289d ago

Look, I'm sure every systenm, every PC set up, every console has a limit but that uisn't what ND are really talkking about and are more talking about how happy they are to be able to put everything into ONER project because of their Sony relationshio allowing them to eke out more than many thought they could from PS3 hardware.

I'd also argue that NO system has yet been pushed as far as it could have been. My mate does things today on old systems and the things he does on old Z81s and the like are possibly more advanced than anyone, anywhere would have thought(or bothered finding out truth be told)possible-I doubt many ocould touch what he's done. Thing is they WOULD if tech didn't move so quickly.

Ctysis is a case in point for this argument. Crytek made a graphical/physics monster(patchy AI that can be brilliant at times but dumb others but that's a game oddity)but didn't do it the same way ND did U2 and UI3 on PS3 but the trad PC route of utilising the most cutting edge stuff out there in a trad manner to make their job easier and letting the tech rather than optimised coding do the bulk of the work.

Does this make ND b etter than Crytek Hell no! They just work differently as console and PC devs always have but there's something, in my mind, to be said for the console devs way of getting as much as possible out of a closed system where every game made for it works out the biox avoiding the will it/won't it work moment when your slightly aged PC takes in your new game disc! It's also worthy of noting that Crysis was the last gamee that caused a mass out break of upgrading rigs worldwidfe for a single game just to see it at full lick and since then I feel PC centric devs have been more realistic and fair about making their games run as well for as many PC gamers as possible rather than just us with top end machines-something akin to what ND or Bungie have been doing with ageing console tech for some long time and it's better for MORE consumers that devs work this way, imho. We don't want new consoles every other year with more horsepower and we don't want to upgrade our PC too often either so getting the most out of what we have seems a good idea esp in hard economic times.

Hving said that I'm a big enough ball of double standards to wet myself and run to the shops to sort out my rig(currently dead as a result of my children-sore point)should another Crysis style, system killing game come around on PC!! However, it still pleases me just as much to see the Wii, PSP, PS3, 3DO or 360 pushed further than we'd ever thought possible and if exclusives are how that's done then who cares?

saladthieves5289d ago

I think there is some misunderstanding here. I think what Naughty Dog is talking about is that they have no limit of freedom with what they have to do with the PS3. I mean, every uncharted game bested the previous one...they are going to do it again, you'll see.

showtimefolks5289d ago

when a great dev say something like this its hard to believe. i have seen gow3,uc2 etc,,,,

so call me what you want i will waite and see the next game that will blow me away should be uc3,tlg and resistance 3

but ND are the #1 devs in the business right now ITS A FACT

heroprotagonist5289d ago

I don't think they meant it literally.

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scar205290d ago

The question is are you for real?
*Looks at profile joined 35 days ago guess not*

kaveti66165289d ago

lmao. ollieboy joined 4 days ago and got 13 agrees for laughing at a guy who joined 35 days ago.

trolls trolling trolls. amazing.

waltyftm5289d ago

NEVER use that facepalm again you TROLL, Naughty dog FTW.

units5290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

everything has limit especially outdated hardware

CrzyFooL5290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

The PS3 isn't outdated yet.

lastdual5290d ago

Hardware has limits, but not talent and imagination, and Naughty Dog has plenty of that.

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VictoriousB135289d ago

By hardware standards, it is.

DERKADER5290d ago

Then why no 1080p at 60fps?

Graphics5290d ago

I don't know how or why anyone would disagree with this comment. It's 100% true.

RedDead5290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

Well said

@ the only lol king

1080p in this discussion refers to 1920X1080 not 1280X 1080.

Setting the PS3 to 720p is optimatl for GT5, if you set it at 1080p, the screen will be slightly stretched and shittier than 720p

Convas5290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

ROFL @ LOL King. Halo: Reach is not 720p because it's 1152x720 ... but Gran Turismo 5 is 1280x1080 (Or 720p natively depends on which render mode you want) and 1080p?

Oi, the hypocrisy. It burns.

Let me educate you.

1280x720 is Native 720P. 1920x1080 is Native 1080P. If you cannot reach these resolutions, you cannot say a game is natively said resolution. Upscaled to XXXp is the way to go.

BYE5290d ago

They mean creative limits, not technical limits. There's ways around 1080p that still makes a game look amazing.

ct035289d ago

For one thing, GT5 is 33% below 1080p. But regardless of this, it was Naughty Dog who talked about "no limits". And their games are 720p.

jammydude5289d ago

@ RedDeadDestroyer, Clizz
Gran Turismo 5 does NOT run at 1280*1080. In fact it runs at 1440*1080, it was the prologue that ran at 1280*1080, slight correction there :P

Also 1080p represents anything progressively scanned with a vertical resolution of 1080 lines of pixels. This means that there are a host of resolutions still technically '1080p'
- 320*1080
- 640*1080
- 1280*1080
etc.

Ju5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

Resolution is simply a bandwidth limit. A bandwidth limit of the rasterizer (and frame buffer memory requirements).

But within those constrains, then number of pixels for a 720p image are pretty much within those limits.

What we see with first party exclusive titles is, that the detail level within those 720p pixels is pushed and pushed and pushed. Means, same bandwidth with much more detail (this, e.g. can be achieved with a heavily optimized render pipeline keeping the last stage of the rasterizer constant while you through more and more at it).

At the same time, the only thing which scales on the PC is bandwidth. Details almost never scale.

SaberEdge5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

@Jammydude

Source please.

According to beyond3D:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Gran Turismo 5 = 1280x720 (4xAA), 1280x1080 (QAA), 1280x720 (QAA) in 3D mode

That is, GT5 never achieves 1080p. The most it can do is 1280 x 1080 and that reduces the quality of the anti-aliasing to quincunx anti-aliasing which blurs texture detail.

To say that any console doesn't have limits is absurd on the face of it. If there are no limits what excuse is there for every game not being 1080p, 60fps and 32x MSAA? If there are no limits then I expect to be playing my PS3 twenty years from now and it should be putting out graphics as good as any PC in 2031.

pixelsword5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

@ Derkader and SaberEdge:

If the TV can display 1080i and 1080p it's using an internal scalier(sp?) to convert what is being transmitted from the PS3 to the TV's actual resolution and refresh rate, which all HDTV's have. if it's 1280x1080p, it's 1080p, the difference is that 1280 is the exact size for non-conventional televisions like hitachi's, so it may be a Japanese thing I don't really know.

1280 times 1.5 = 1920, which all it will have to scale internally to make that 1280 into the 1920 signal needed to have the full 1080p signal. As a matter of fact, if you take a "native" 1920 and put it right next to it, you'll probably never know the difference. HDTV manufacturers use a so-called "standard" that uses the vertical and not horizontal lines to define display resolution so yes, it's 1080 through and through.

Capiche?

heroprotagonist5289d ago

To those claiming Gran tursimo 5 is 1080p, how about I sell you a tv with 1280x1080 pixels but tell you it is a 1080p tv. And you wouldn't be mad right? Riiiight.

The mental contortions some of you go through to try and always spin things in favor of your beloved piece of plastic is crazy. 1080p is 1920x1080, period. Anything less is not full 1080p.

Besides, to go by your excuse that Gran Turismo 5 is 1080p just because its vertical resolution is the same would also mean that Halo Reach is 720p. That would mean that all the PS3 fanboys have been hypocrites when they constantly preached about Halo Reach being sub-720p.
The reality is that Halo Reach's horizontal resolution is much, much closer to the 720p standard than Gran Turismo 5's horizontal resolution is to the 1080p standard.

There is no way to spin it, Gran Turismo 5 is quite a ways away from being 1080p. Halo Reach likewise is not full 720p, but it is very close.

hassi945289d ago

"HDTV manufacturers use a so-called "standard" that uses the vertical and not horizontal lines to define display resolution so yes, it's 1080 through and through."

Actually you're just completely wrong. A TV is not allowed to be called 'Full HD' or '1080p Ready' unless it meets certain criteria, being 1080p24, 1080p50, 1080p60 and can meet a resolution of 1920*1080.

Therefore it used horizontal lines as well to define the resolution, they're legally not allowed to put those things on their advertising/box unless it does meet those 4 criteria.

Ju5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

@Sabre. LOL.

" 1280x720 (QAA) in 3D mode"

And yet, you use QAA as an example to quote the worst AA in the game - yet fail to say, this mode actually runs 2x60fps full steroscopic, which is basically 1280x720@120fps (or almost the same frame buffer as 1980x1080 1.8MP vs 2.1MP, vs 1.3MP in 1280x1080). So, if at all, the 3D mode is the most impressive one, reaching a bandwidth limit which is in fact very close to real 1920x1080 in 60fps.

Guess why they can do full (!) 1280x720@60fps and 4xMSAA - something what some say only EDRAM can enable. Well, guess again.

Obviously, consoles have a fixed set of HW they have to work with. This is memory and bandwidth. But this is only half of the story.

MLAA (or any AA offloaded to the CELL) can compensate for the brute force HW scaled MAA in modern PCs/GPU. Vertex optimization in the early rendering stage can reduce the amount of polygons the GPU actually needs to rasterize - in fact, it is inefficient to rasterize more pixels than you can actually see, e.g. in a perfect world you would avoid overdrawing at all. With such a method you simply can maximize the vertex budget the artist can throw at the engine (something what only tessellation can do in modern HW). And finally, textures. Textures can always be the highest resolution - a HDD gives you unlimited memory capacity as long as you can stream those data fast enough; thus totally nullifying the 256MB memory limit - which simply becomes a cache.

People need ideas how to work with that HW. If all you know is OpenGL/D3D and how to write shader scripts, well, that certainly will not be good enough to deliver something like KZ3 or UC3.

And before you say "but a PC can do that, too". No it can't. Two things here. OS overhead and slow CPUs (in respect of vector performance). Streaming might work to some extend, but the OS will certainly limit the realtime capabilities of your engine (unless it switches all background process to low pri - which would mean you game would simply take over the PC which will never work because todays games rely on system services) and even an i7 does not have the vector performance a CELL has. All you could do there is throw all that at the GPU (shaders). Well, doing so would mean we are back to square one.

That's why an "outdated" HW like the pC3 can give those PCs a run for their money.

Ju5289d ago

"pC3"...lol funny typo. PS3, of course ;)

pixelsword5288d ago

@heroprotagonist and hassi94

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

be wrong moar.

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iamgoatman5289d ago

Why would any PC gamer in their right mind be "scared"?

Come back when your console can do 1080p (thats 1920x1080 btw) and 60FPS, something even a low end GPU like a 8800GT can achieve in a load of games.

Arup025289d ago

Haha when the consoles reach the power of a high end PC you can come back here. But until then...

Heavy_Rain5289d ago

Lol PC gamers should be scared that they dont have games to play. Go play WOW again and stop trolling ps3 boards.No one cares about pc gaming you idiots. On Topic They said since they are working only for Sony they have no limits on working extensively for 1 hardware instead of trying to achieve parity if they were a multiplat dev. They never said the ps3 is the most powerful sys ever or its limits can never be reached. The moron at ripten needs to be kicked in his backside for interpreting it like this. These idiots will do anything for hits

trancefreak5289d ago

Speaking a of 8800gt my 8800 gtx died today. Very sad it served me well since early 2007.

One of the best cards I have ever purchased!

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Obama5289d ago

hey unit we are not talking about the 360 here. Let's keep on topic.

Kon_Artist 5289d ago

if anything is outdated, its the 360

heroprotagonist5289d ago

Yeah, right. Is that why that outdated console continues to pump out better graphics on multiplatform games? Is that why 360 exclusives like Alan Wake and Gears of War 3 look better than 98% of PS3 exclusives. Gears 3 in particular looks as good as anything on the PS3.

Face it, both consoles are pretty evenly matched in terms of performance.

elitesupreme5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

@herpiesprotagonist
REALLY, "Is that why 360 exclusives like Alan Wake and Gears of War 3 look better than 98% of PS3 exclusives."
WOW, I guess all the industry insiders must be REALLY stupid to think that Uncharted 1 destroyed Gears of War 2, that Killzone 2 set another benchmark in console GFX, as did Uncharted 2, God of War 3, GT Prologue and GT5. Alan Wake can't even touch Heavy Rain and that's the weakest PS3 exclusive GFX wise, and did I mention that Gears 2 still doesn't top UC1? All facts BTW, look at all the high praise these games have received compared to your precious Unreal Gears.... UC2 itself won the most most awards ever for a freaking game... Sorry but you must have been frozen in time and thawed out in the last 3 months, that's why you missed out on all of that LEGITIMATE awesomeness....

Kon_Artist 5289d ago

Bro. I hope for your own sake that your joking.

360 exclusives look better then ps3 exclusives. what goddamn world world do you live in.

killzone 2 lookz better then anything on 360 today. even gears 3.

and i cant wait to see how uc3 will look like. killzone 3. and the guardian.

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jaredhart5290d ago

PS3 - It only has no limits.

MGRogue20175290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

PS3 does have limits.. so does the Xbox 360. Developers just find ways around those limitations..

PC is the only one with ZERO limitations.

KingNintendoFanboy5290d ago

And don't forget the Wii. It's without limits too. Right guys?

MGRogue20175290d ago (Edited 5290d ago )

Yes, that is right.. The Wii is teh ultimate, most powerful ! :D

CrzyFooL5290d ago

This generation of consoles definitely has limits now. Maybe not in 2006 - but I think developers now can make games far beyond what the PS3 and 360 can handle. Naughty Dog is just boasting about their platform, which is understandable.

ct035289d ago

Pretty much. First party developers need to spread the bullcrap.

internalbit5289d ago (Edited 5289d ago )

Where are the earth shattering pc games? Top end pc for games user base is very small, so therefore developers don't bother. Besides who wants to play games locked away in a room, so nerdy.

@ct03 the proof is there for every one to see. Ground breaking games every year on the ps3.

SaberEdge5289d ago

@internalbit

Which goes to show that most of the reason why the PS3 has some standout graphical games is because of the talented developers making games for the platform, not because of some imagined superiority of the PS3.

We know a decent gaming PC is much more powerful than the PS3 and Xbox 360. The defining difference is that Sony has more first party developers to push their platform than the PC or 360 does. This is one thing I like about Sony's approach.

hassi945289d ago

"who wants to play games locked away in a room, so nerdy. "

Where do you play your games? In your back garden?

I am Xbox/PC player, fairly evenly split I may add. I play my PC in different ways, I'm usually talking to mates via Skype, flicking back to Facebook every now and again. Sometimes I'll hook it up to my big TV, sit on the couch and play with the controller almost identically to when I play on my Xbox. What's so 'nerdy' about that in comparison to console gaming.

15 years ago, someone who played console games was a geek, people are now realising that it's okay to have a bit of fun playing videogames. Now people think PC gamers are cliche nerds playing with their face a 1cm from the monitor in their parents' basement. Soon enough people will realise they were very wrong about that too.

Stop pretending to be super 'cool'. We're all nerds, at least a little bit if you're using a website called News 4 Gamers.

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RedDead5290d ago

Not for games. Show me a game that out does crysis in terms of system raping? And that game is now outdated by the hardware.

jack_burt0n5290d ago

If valve had a steam OS that would be a fair comment but they dont, so the pc has limits.

Eu5290d ago

The PC limitation is how deep are your pockets....so...theres a limit.

BYE5290d ago

Even if you have no pocket-limit, I'm sure at some point there is a limit with the current technology on the market.

There ALWAYS will be. It's simple math.

RevXM5289d ago

Zero?
Then why is it that you cant play ps3 games or photo realistic games that emulate a gasillion atoms and chemical reactions in the game world real time?

Oh that is right... LIMITS.

All platforms and Hardware has a limit.

Bandwith between components, calculation power, storage and memory.

360 and ps3 is clearly aging, and I think its time for the 8 gen consoles to be announced.

Its sort of a shame that developers wont do proper pc exclusives such as Crysis 1 was due to the popularity of consoles.

I would love to see a new "CRYSIS" on pc only.
Optimization after todays fresh hardware would be a stunning sight indeed. No argue about that.

Finding ways around limitations is a part of what optimazation is.
And Ps3 games especially tend to look impressive.
Prettiest Game out right now IMO is GOW 3.

____________________
A another thing everyone.
Uncharted Drakes fortune is prettier than many 2010 games.
LMAO.

Anderson85289d ago

if you can find your way around a limitation it was never one to begin with just a hurdle that needed to be cleared

SasanovaS19875289d ago

PC limit is very real. its in your wallet.

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Neil Druckmann Reveals He’s Working on an Unannounced Game at Naughty Dog

Neil Druckmann, the creative director of The Last of Us, is working on a new, unannounced game at Naughty Dog.

RaidenBlack23d ago

I know they've expertise in third person games.
But given the lack there of in PS catalog, I'd want the other project to be a narrative first person ND game.
Look, there are lots of 3rd person Sony games in variety of flavors. And ND is already doing intergalactic. And since they're pretty expert at gameplay and tech wise in whatever they do, they can easily venture a new genre and ship a first person game/shooter.

VenomUK23d ago

Hopefully the lead character is a boss babe who will challenge the patriarchy.

RaidenBlack22d ago

So, judging from the dislikes, hardcore Sony fans here don't like first person games, anymore?

arkard22d ago

Let naughty dog do what they are great at, 3rd person games

crazyCoconuts22d ago

I don't really have a big opinion on first vs third person perspective. That's one of the least important things to me when rating how much I like a game

Flewid63822d ago

Sounds horrible. The downvotes are right on this one.

badz14922d ago

I actually hate 1st person. very hard to associate with a character you only see their hands most of the time.

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OtterX23d ago

funny thing is with failures like Concord and soon to be Marathon, Factions could have been Sony's guaranteed huge success with a shooter! I don't ever play online shooters anymore, but I would have come out of shooter retirement for a new Factions game.

RaidenBlack21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

{ coming from the above thread }
So PS Fellas hate first person games now? (Understandable)
But praise Killzone and Resistance series, as well?
And hope for a return of first party first person games? ~ but from where? insomniac is deep in marvel territory, guerilla is deep in aloy territory ... suckerP are not as big to undertake that change + dedicated to Ghost series
The only options are ND and Santa Monica, who are rumoured to be involved in parallel projects. ~ so take your pick.
And the other 'new' studios at Sony are not that hot right now with knee deep in live service fiasco

darthv7223d ago

...Way of the Warrior 2: Electric Boogaloo

Amplitude22d ago

It’d be cool if they bought the Parappa licence and made Parappa 3 that’d be the real good timeline

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Lightning7723d ago

Wait I thought they cancelled a game? Or did they announce another project?

https://wccftech.com/naught...

pwnmaster300023d ago (Edited 23d ago )

I’m assuming it’s the unannounced game in the title you posted.

“Naughty Dog Reportedly Canceled a Single Player Game This Year, But Another Unannounced Game Is Still in the Works“

Lightning7722d ago

OK I gotcha. That makes sense.

jznrpg22d ago

Devs cancel games all the time early stages if it doesn’t turn out the way they envisioned it. We just don’t hear about every one of them.

Notellin22d ago

Yeah only a narcissist like Druckmann would announce a game this early that has a 99% chance of being cancelled.

badz14922d ago

so a 2028 release at the soonest

Lightning7722d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Some speculate it could be Uncharted spin off. It's already 3 years in production so yeah 2028 maybe 2027 at the absolute earliest but most likely 28 release.

Also to add. kojimas next game that's not OD is said to be 5 to 6 years out for PS. That metal gear inspired game. These games are just too far off it seems.

pwnmaster300023d ago

This dude is busy.
So who is running intergalactic?

Knushwood Butt23d ago

'We have several directors on Intergalactic. I work with two game directors: Matthew Gallant and Kurt Margenau, [and] I have a co-writer in Clair Carré.'

pwnmaster300022d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Okay you got me, I skimmed the article and video .
Thanks lol

vTuro2422d ago

Cuckmann is going to be Naughty Dog's downfall.

itBourne22d ago

Going to be? The damage is already done lol.

Flewid63822d ago

Sunlight is good for you, I promise. lol

vTuro2422d ago

Damage has been done but it's not too late yet if they dump him now. Probably won't happen though. It's sad, honestly. We'll see what happens after Intergalactic. That game is going to have a huge impact one way or another.

StormSnooper22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Yes because they didn’t make some of the greatest games. Right, we all just agree to live in your fantasy from now on.

Flewid63822d ago

yall say that about ever developer and then they end up becoming more successful lol

mkis00722d ago

Downfall? If anything he is a huge reason they are on the map! A few apes don't like the material hasn't stopped his games from being massive hits.

DarXyde22d ago

I have grievances with Druckmann, but he does deserve some benefit of the doubt. He's been in crucial roles at the company through all of their successes.

Maybe wait and see?

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StormSnooper22d ago

Interesting. So they are working on more than we knew.

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Ex-Naughty Dog Dev Says Resident Evil 4 Inspired Uncharted and Many More Action Games

Former Naughty Dog dev says Resident Evil 4 inspired Unchartted and even Gears of War, particularly the over-the-shoulder camera view.

CrimsonWing6924d ago

It revolutionized third-person shooters, in a genius way that gives you full control of aiming.

CrimsonWing6923d ago

No, I mean RE4. Like the whole snap to over-shoulder and precision aiming was what I meant.

I won’t deny Winback does pave the way in some respect. But it’s not the same at all.

InUrFoxHole24d ago

Both are great series. That's awesome

Samonuske24d ago

I thought this was common knowledge. Resident Evil Revolutionised over the shoulder aiming in 3rd person shooters/action games

italiangamer24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Influenced basically every third person action game made after it, GTA uses the over the shoulder perspective when shooting since the 4th installment, Red Dead Redemption 1 & 2 too and the Batman Arkham series has the over the shoulder perspective as the main camera throughout the whole game series.
Obviously there are a ton more examples but you get the point 🗿.

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Intergalactic Being a Hit Could Spark a Chain Reaction For Naughty Dog

Naughty Dog has a lot of scope to extend the Intergalactic IP to other mediums, provided the sci-fi game turns out successful.

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Knushwood Butt43d ago

Opinion piece?
Can the mods add a new category for, 'Trash'?

Cellblock1143d ago

What makes this "Trash", exactly?

StormSnooper43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

Did you even read it? The article is legit. Can you elaborate?

On topic: the article has a point. I can see that happening

raWfodog42d ago

I could see this game having a similar feel to 'The Expanse' if it was to be adapted for TV. That's just based off of the looks and vibes that the trailer gives me since we don't know anything else about this game LOL.