How the 360 has survived

GameRevolver.com gives us an in depth look at what has kept the 360 alive even after all the hardware failures.

"Since the debut of the original Xbox, Microsoft has made a name for itself in the game industry. Rivaling such greats as Nintendo, Sega and even Sony. Although success has been minimal, there is not a gamer around who has not heard of, if not played and Xbox game. The hardware was solid, the games were intriguing to say the least and developers began to..."

[SF49er408]

playing consistenly good games. i dont know but having graw, oblivion, saints row, crackdown, call of duty 2, gears, and gta3 before the ps3 even out was pretty sick. i thought saints row was addicting more so then bioshock. same with crackdown

[reaferfore20]

GTA3?

[PStriple703]

how long it will survive...

[sak500]

Dont worry it will, long after ps3.

Edit: @fart Yep right..thanks to you. Now take all of it and gO back to your pees3 stories troll.

[AllroundGamer]

you must be new in the console world, cause everybody else knows how it was with the old xbox...
xbox - was maybe 5 years max
PS2 - 8 years + still running and outselling both the oldgen and nextgen xbox :P

[BigFART]

The sh!t is getting deep in here...

[BloodySinner]

"PS2 - 8 years + still running and outselling nextgen playstation :P"

[i Shank u]

ps2 outsells the ps3 by an even bigger margin then it does 360, which IMO is a problem for sony. and all those people that have just gotten a ps2 recently, they are not going to want to upgrade for awhile, especially when they just paid around $129 for that ps2 and the ps3 is $500

[AngryTypingGuy]

It will survive until Microsoft decides it's not worth making games for anymore, same with the other two systems. Which one will have the longest shelf life? According to Sony, they're expecting the PS3 to stick around for a decade. The PS3 must pick up steam in order for it to do so.

Hopefully Microsoft will opt to keep the 360 alive for awhile even after the neXt Box comes out. It will have a big enough install base that it would make sense to do so.

I'm guessing that despite its popularity, the Wii will have the shortest shelf life due to outdated technology. I'm willing to bet that Nintendo will make an HD-Wii in the next few years, after the hype dies down.

[Lakuspakus]

I predict a fanboy will come and leave a really idiotic comment within the hour...

[BigFART]

The 360 is junk...is that good enough for ya?

[Clinton514]

Dramatizing what doesn't need drama.

[jcgamer]

you think us 360 owners are lying? If you think so, that is very disappointing for GAMERS...that's what we are, right? I've played some incredible games on my 360... It's time to end this "war" stuff...Playstation fans SHOULD be excited for PS3...that is where you and over 200 MILLION found your nostalgia and gaming goodness...but there is a certain word available in the english language called an "alternative." What's wrong with that? This is my FAVORITE generation since the early 90's (SNES/Genesis)...it feels like all 3 consoles are DIFFERENT and can co-exist...oh, excuse me...WILL co-exist...if the 360 can survive the RROD issue, it can survive ANYTHING...I'm ps360, and may get the Wii down the road...just not anytime soon...cheers to gaming...

and to all that disagreed: that truly shows that there are people who like to be divided and love fanboy wars...which is absolutely pathetic...be a man or a gal and at least tell me WHY you disagree...what will that do for me if I can't hear your feedback...

[Bordel_1900]

Don't know why you are getting many disagree's. I pretty much agree with you. It's good that people have a choice, it would not be in us gamers interrest that there was only one brand I think. Though devs would probably like that, but pushing consoles further, innovation, pricing etc. we'd loose out on that part.

[Juggalo]

Nice post mate, i agree with you... You deserve a bubble.. :))

[jcgamer]

good or bad, I appreciate it...

[Ahmadinejad]

Good to see some mature and intelligent discussion taking place here rather than the usual 13 year old rambling about xbox this or ps3 that

[gta_cb]

nice post, deserves a bubble from me as well. at the people who disagreed with him, you are the people that shouldnt be allowed an internet connection IMO

[BLACKJACK VII]

Excellent post from a man who owns both a PS3 & an Xbox 360.

"...you think us 360 owners are lying? If you think so, that is very disappointing for GAMERS...that's what we are, right? I've played some incredible games on my 360... It's time to end this "war" stuff...Playstation fans SHOULD be excited for PS3..."

Well said. Looks like you've already got enough bubbles to feed us all, but bubbles 4U anyway...

Viva la Denmark !!!

[secret]

Yawn...

[MANTIIS]

but the 360, while being a "truly great gaming machine, " is an unreliable piece of hardware. This fact detracts from its being truly great, for a console's integrity and quality of hardware is what completes a console at being "truly great." Fearing that your system could crash on you at any time<"but, duhhh, I haven't seen those red blinking lights for a whole week,">while you play, is not the experience one has on a "truly great" gaming console- I don't care how many great games it has. And anyone who disagrees, is a hypocrite who denies their own problems with the console (if you haven't yet, when you do <and you WILL> you'll understand the same frustration that 33% of a 12 million user base have endured).

[eLiNeS]

I would rather have a broke down Xbox 360 that is covered for three years with Top Shelf AAA games then a PofS3 with nothing but a Trojan horse ready to drop dead and out of the war like where the PSP is headed.

JC, good post. I myself have the Wii60 and won't be getting a PofS3 for a long time if ever, I don't like what Sony has done with it and you can tell the rest of the world feels the same way or it would be steamrolling over the Wii60.

[reaferfore20]

Yeah I've had fun on all three systems and don't understand why people have to focus on the negatives so much. Sure 360 has hardware problems, and sure PS3 doesn't have as many games (because it hasn't even been out a year). But to think you can't have fun playing something that you've never played before is ridiculous. Have you played Warhawk Elines? That may not be your genre, but in my opinion it is one of the best multiplayer experiences I've ever had. If you think "Halo will be better", does that mean you couldn't have fun playing this game at all just because it's on a "PofS3"?

[Jen5en]

Who let the trolls out? Who, who who who?! Who let the trolls out?!

[SlippyMadFrog]

A 33% failure rate means only 1 in 3 people get the error. It doesn't mean you WILL get the error. I havn't got the error just like many other people on this site. Tough luck to those who have though.

[DeckUKold]

Just that the machine failure rate scares me

[weazle]

I agree with you and competition is good for gaming. As long as they keep trying to outdo each other we all win. We end up with better games that way.

[eLiNeS]

Come on, does your Husband game?

[secret]

Me am have quickie questiony. Why Biggest Power Brick but still overheating? What purpose of power brick? Me go now.

[cloud360]

haredly anyone in my school know what an xox is. well some know now... only bcoz of my friend....

my teacher play halo. when i told him xbox is crap he said i know then when i asked him what he play halo on he sed pc. and he then shoed be a website called legionofhq or somet ... but he didnt know what it was

[Wile]

Your teacher should put down halo and teach some grammar. You know what I'm saying here right?

[sak500]

You go to school? Doesnt look like it. Do you sit under a tree while the teacher sits on the rock to teach? Are you from afghanistan? Are you a retard? So many questions so little time. Pls dont answer cuz i dont want to face the pain again of trying to comprehend what you just randomly typed as a post.

[InMyOpinion]

Is it a school for special kids?

[SlippyMadFrog]

Look at these gems I found in cloud360's comment history:

"This guy is like the angry video game nerd u fu*k tard."

"Also am really scared, bcoz of this war consumers are losing... "

"What a bunch of losers. if this is true am gonna go an tell everyone at school"
classic!!!

"Every 20 year old and Big FF fan like me will buy a ps3 even though this game is not out yet...."
Yeah, like all those other 20 year olds that's still in school.

"When sony sed critic and reviewers dont matter they wer right...
i luv sony even more now"

"I am really angry. i hate people. sony is getting bullied."

I understand if people make mistakes typing in their second language but this is just priceless!

[Captain Tuttle]

LMAO! You guys just made my morning. I needed a laugh today.

[Wile]

...solid games.

@ the incredibly original Ravex below:

I get it...RROD, yeah good one./sarcasm

[Ravex]

Don't turn it on ;)

[InMyOpinion]

I got it yesterday (my avatar shows a photo of it). It's gonna be interesting to see how Microsoft will handle it. I'm still positive about the 360 though. I just hope I get a working console now. I got lots of games waiting to be played =)

[Boink]

by having LOTS of great games, why did they need a huge article for that?

[leon76]

Lots of good games you mean 3:bioshock, halo and gears...because the other exclusives, please....and the other good games, are in PS3 also...

[sumfood4u]

Survive if they fix the whole machine, an reduces red ring casualties. I might get a few Die Hard 360 dissagrees, but you can't act like the Red Ring never exsisted! right?

[RINGOFDEATH]

next year more 360 will die because of hardware failure at least the original xbox could handle it's games .

[BloodySinner]

The red ring. That's all you can come up with. Then again, I don't blame you. It's the only negative thing about the Xbox 360.

[BigFART]

I think its bigger than how you imply "the only thing wrong with the 360". Thats pretty much equivalent to saying "Uhh, the only thing wrong with my car is that the motor tends to blow up, but thats all".

[Ahmadinejad]

I dont understand why people b*tch so much about RRod, i got mine after 15months of hardcore gaming in our house (8-9 hours a day combined between all) and i got a replacement in 2 weeks. i rather have that than watching our ps3 sitting there for the past 4 months.

Gaming consoles are all about gaming and its the only place right now which u can get AAA titles in abundance.

just fix hardware issues and be all good.

EDIT: i meant this generation of consoles not the prehistoric, eye bleeding ones. i own 2 ps2s with over 60 games but those games just cannot compete anymore

[Imalwaysright]

Arent you forgeting about Ps2?? Ps2 has 10 times the amount of AAA titles that 360 has!!

[BloodySinner]

Maybe because it was released back in 2000? We all know the PlayStation 2 crushed the last-gen.

[toughNAME]

granted it has its problems

but...look at the alternatives?

lmao what else can measure up to the xbox 360?

[gerrard]

Answer: PS3

[progx]

LOL

[HarryEtTubMan]

Retards. RetardS. Retards. The Xbox 360 has been out for almost 2 FULL YEARS and has managed to sell a little over 11 million consoles worldwide, even already releasing their biggest games Gears and the soon the be Halo.... It could raise to maybe 14 million or somehting but I SERIOUSLY doubt it seeing alot of the Microsoft fanbase already has their console. Playstation 3 hasn't even been out a full year yet.... and has sold 5-6 million consoles... WITH NO BIG GAMES RELEASED(KZ2,MGS4,GT5,LBP,FFXI II,FFVS.-also not many big rpgs yet either), No real pricecut before the big games(it's still been selling at 5-600 better than 360 did its first year), and with virtually no marketing... Everywhere u look u see "jump in" slogans. This is Microsofts time to shine... u fanboys better pray to god Microsoft can sale some consoles..... Sony's MASSIVE WORLDWIDE fanbase will be buying this system in the very near future(such as myself). The reason the media is soo critical of Sony's success is because after playstation 2 annihilated the competition by almost 80 million consoles, they obviously expect the same thing to happen IMMEDIAELY wehn PS3 surfaces. Given it hasn't even been out a year and no big games.... YET. HAHAHA. I hate xbox fanboism because I have one.... It's broken down on me twice, fanbys try to say "there's soo many good games" on 360 and I can only think of Gears...What? DO u honestly think crackdown,Perfect dark,lost planet, the XBLA 80's port arcade game(that are for the most part DREADFUL)... I konw u want to rep ur system and all but ur an idiot moron if u don't think u should have shelled out and extra 100 dollars for a BEAUTIFUL system with HD built in, true 1080p capability, the best game franchises ever made(sorry guys, Microsoft might have fooled you, but im not interested in 4 on 4 glitchy, laggy chainsaw fights...so freakin corny,can u say HALO 2.5??)
Sony isn'y scared a bit their being pressured because it has BRay and that it has Playstation on the console. Microsoft will do well to sell 30-40 million consoles.... I doubt it though

[Mattguy]

^ This guy is right, xbox is screwed hardcore when the news of it's system failure gets to the normal people buying cores and when people playing halo 3 have there xbox die on them.

Man, I absolutely love this article "With killer games out like Two Worlds, Blue Dragon" lol There are about 30 other better games they could have said.

[Dareaver1]

hey, at least the 360 admitted to it's hardware failures. PS2 didn't admit to there's until there was a class action lawsuit. I went through 2 PS2's. The 360 to me, is showing that they are trying to be responsible. Blue Dragon is a great RPG, it's just that there is not much innovation to it. It has a great story and great battle mechanics, being that they are strictly turn-based. But there is even depth with that. Blue Dragon's reviews were not as high as they should have been because people were expecting more innovations, not a tried and true traditional turn-based RPG.

But one question, do you like RPG's or have you even played Two Worlds or Blue Dragon? Just a question.

I've had problems with all sorts of technology, did i give up on them, NO! PS2 users didn't give up on PS2 so why would users give up on the 360.

[MANTIIS]

MS will liquidate their remaining 90nm chip consoles to all the suckers who by a system for Halo 3. Thus, creating a new breed of RROD/Service Center customers. This is largely significant when you consider just how many systems will be sold along with units of Halo 3. That's going to be a lot of peeved off ppl! LOL!

[eLiNeS]

What does it matter? People that buy now get to play AAA games NOW!!! Not next year or so. If there console RROD's then they will get it fixed or a new one (hopefully with the new 65nm chip), eventually M$ will have fixed them all to a point where they won't RROD anymore or Bill Gates will end up broke.

[eLiNeS]

post

[SKUD]

BETTER BE 1,000% BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE!. NO EXCUSES.

[BloodySinner]

Even though you won't actually play your old titles. Really funny, isn't it? You just want your console to have that extra edge. Let me guess, bragging rights? Backwards compatibility is useless.

[xplosneer]

If you really feel that way you are just a complete fanboy.....

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

X360 survived because retarded americans buy unfinished products.

[PStriple703]

funny

[BloodySinner]

If that's the scenario, then what does that make the PlayStation 3 and Nintendo Wii?

[Nameless]

There should be an article called how will news4gamers.com survive being a biased site runned by Sonians & over runned by Sonians & that it should just be merged with TheSonyProtectionGroup & get it over with.

[gamesR4fun]

Nameless is one lousy trolling fanboy just check his comments what a joke. What you love your xbox so much yet you spend all your time here flaming.
Do us all a favor and give this user some neg feedback Fanboys who live to troll dont deserve to post.

[DeZimatoR]

If its such a Sony fanboy site and you dont like it why do you keep coming back?

BTW, wtf are Sonians? :S

[Vertius]

"With killer games out like Two Worlds..."

Eh?

[progx]

FLOP of the year.

[CrazzyMan]

i doubt, that there are many companies, which could stand against law with all these hardware issues, that x360 had.
if not M$ and money, all x360 would be send from stores long time ago.

well, why some people like x360, because it was 1st console, which has showed greater graphics, than ps2/GC/xbox could.
and ofcourse price + good online service(even for money).

and some people don`t like to wait, they want nice graphics and now, and don`t wanna wait for nextgen graphics only after 2 years.

[PStriple703]

is gonna need to find out how to survive next year

[ps34ever]

the 360 is not junk I love my 360 and ps3.

[Ahmadinejad]

is this site bankrolled by sony?? i been reading articles here for over 4 months now and majority of articles contain huge amount of spin and more bias that fox news.

i also don't understand what orgasmic pleasure fanboys achieve by writing their retarded comments in hope of achieving some minor recognition from their fellow fanboys or huge hatred from the other camp. get a job and work instead of wasting all day reading here and maybe u can afford both console and u dont need to spew so much hatred all day long.:)

[Nameless]

DeZimatoR it may be a crappy site but it can be hilarious how fan boys of each side look like idiots arguing over stupid ass articles

[P1MPDADDY]

It's Sunday. NFL is in full swing, I check the news during half time on this website and its the typical BS. Sony fanboys trolling a 360 article. I own a PS3 and 360. Sorry to say my 360 in comparison to my PS3 has the better games, better graphics, better controller, better online service, and better price. Thats why it has survived. Thats why it will be a 3 way race this generation. If you disagree its because you dont own a 360 and therefore are automatically baised towards your PS3. Hope Sony gives you a cookie for your brand loyalty while the rest of us "OPEN MINDED" gamers enjoy games on both consoles!!! BTW your really missing out on some great games. So far truth be told Warhawk is the only game I wish was on the 360 out of the whole PS3 library to date. No other PS3 game would even tempt me to put down the 360 controller. All your hateful anti-360 comments are full of jealousy and insecurity. I dont care who wins the console wars as long as I get to enjoy the best games possible. Dwell on that... PS360 FTW!!!

[jcgamer]

"I don't care who wins the console wars as long as I get to enjoy the best games possible." -PimpDaddy

couldn't have said it better man...

[Ahmadinejad]

i been a gamer to play good games and i dont give a crap who i hand my money over too as long as i get some decent games and i think after the prices be lowered and majority of people own both consoles, all thsi be over and done with

[Covenant]

Bubbles for you, sir. Agreed.

As I have said many times, ad nauseum: Enjoy the games you like on the system of your choice. Live and let live.

I've played Lair, and even though it didn't quite turn out as well as expected, I'd still like to have it for my 360.

[BigFART]

The 360 would never be able to handle Lair. No 7.1, nor TRUE 1080p. Graphics would be horrible...but I'm sure if it was on the 360 turds, it would be "the greatest game ever" according to XBOTS.

[Dareaver1]

why are you even commenting. Look at your avatar, we clearly know where you stand. How childish do you have to be. I mean, is Sony paying you or something. What has the 360 done to you to make you hate it so much. This article hasn't dissed Sony in any way, it big-ups the 360 because it has SURVIVED. With all the problems, gamers keep coming back because of the overall experience.

Why don't you try and purchase one or rent one from BlockBuster, then rent some games like Gears of War, Bioshock, Forza2, Madden 08, Graw 2, Rainbow Six, Call of Duty 3, even Halo 2 (for its online), DiRT, Moto gp 07, Blue Dragon, and some other games. Then sign-up to XBox Live for the silver membership, you'll then get a month of XBox Live Gold service for free, then download some Live games. And then enjoy. You'll see that the 360 isn't so bad. I'm not sayin that the PS3 and Wii are not fun or entertaining, but before you hate it, try it out. It's really not that bad, and look at all you'll benefit from. Great gaming....

Game on people, it's a great time to be a gamer.

[Wile]

Way to show some class Dareaver. BIG BUBBLE FOR YOU.

[bootsielon]

It has an insurance policy to get cloned in case it dies (which happens quite frequently). There's a difference ;)

[Covenant]

How it has survived?

Xbox Live

Great game selection, past and future

But survival isn't enough.

If the 360 is going to THRIVE, then MS needs to make sure that the hardware is reliable and that they take full care of any and all defective systems now, and in the future.

[level 360]

First of, wrong console to direct your question. This really is more directed to Sony for the PS3... which as of now is starting to pick-up the pieces.

[Shaka2K6]

It hasnt and it never will its a fact now,
every POS Xbug 3DO will fail, sooner or later just like the millions of victims of the 3 red rings of dead already.

[MRMagoo123]

To be honest without sounding like im a fanboy as you call them in my opinion and alot of other ppls the only reason the xbox 360 is still around is cos the ps3 got delayed if it hadnt and the 360 had all those failure rates everyone would of went with the ps3

[caffman]

if that was true, as soon as the PS3 came out, 360 sales would stop dead. They haven't. Certainly here in the UK.

[Jinxstar]

"With killer games out like Two Worlds, Blue Dragon, Gears of War and hundreds of others"

So are 360's killer apps Two worlds and Blue dragon?

Look in all seriousness I have said it before. I own a 360. Its fun. Gears is old now. I am hoping Halo holds my attention a little longer. Apart from Halo and bioshock.... What else is there? Bioshock is a quick game... Halo... I hope it lives up to the hype... Seriously. What great 100's of games does the 360 have. Better yet what semi recent ones. Dead rising and prey were so-so... Eternal sonata might be ok. (I kinda hope it is its looks inventive at least) Seriously... Please fellow 360 owners... Enlighten me. Besides the soon to come halo, the semi recent bioshock and the future ME(Which I am not looking forward to. I feel M$ plays out the SciFi scene too much) What is there...?

[Dr Pepper]

I'll help you out :)

This year, it looks like your very disappointed (I'm looking forward to ME, but anyway...). Lost Odyssey also has it's date set for this year, don't forget about that (but it may come out next year). Next year, you've got Fable 2, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell 5, Halo Wars, GTA 4 (with that extra content), Too Human and World in Conflict (even though it's out for the PC) as some big titles. There are plenty of others, I just can't think of them at the moment (and I assume your talking about exclusives).

[Jinxstar]

I see your point. I am talking about the huge and amazing library they currently have is all... That I keep hearing about but don't see... Comparing exclusives can be done cross platform easily. That all comes down to taste is all... Also time of release and such. Killzone, little big planet, FF13, UT3, vs Halo, (fill in blank party game), Mass effect, GTA4 (I say GTA4 vs UT3 due to the fact that UT will be better on PS3 while GTA will have the exclusive xbox live stuff as well).

As of right now I own Bioshock, Gears, Two Worlds(I have to trade it back actually), Lost planet for xbox exclusives... Now I'm not gonna rag on those. They are all good. I am just tired of them just like my PS3 games for the most part. PS3 I own Sigma, Motorstorm, RFOM, Tekken 5 online, Warhawk for exclusives. I am also bored with them for the most part except tekken and Warhawk cause they are new and have good replay value. As far as I can see it HS and Folklore and Halo and ME and MGS4 and all kinds of games are coming out on both systems. I just don't see this huge bad ass OMFG library the 360 always claims to have is all...

[Jinxstar]

I', really not trying to Dis 360 DrPepper. I just never saw what all these sites claim is all. I enjoy my 360 and play it semi often... played it a ton prior to Warhawk anyway... still though I go the the store and look at the wall and go "I want to buy a good game" Well there is dead rising which was a rent for me (Good but I can't play it to death) and... Yeah... PS3 is no better really. I mean both systems have big hitters coming out in the next few moths and I really am not trying to War is all. Seriously though... the way people talk about 360 its like it has 100's of AAA titles is all... PS3 does it to but not as bad by any means imo...

[Dr Pepper]

I understand what you're saying. I go to rent a game or maybe to buy a game and I look at the selection and think "hmmmmm, nothing too interesting here.." That happens after a while with all systems.

[leon76]

Hey Dr. pepper linsten to Jinxstar...

[cheatmaster28]

Xbox shall die! lol jk or am i?

[slak]

yea idk but its weird that ms keep saying we are concentrating on this year and they are a lot with like the best line up ever made but why i think cuz next year we all getting RROD problems.

[IRONMAN_X57]

you guys wanna play sub par games on 360 fine, ill play AAA games that I ACTUALLY PLAY AND DONT COUNT ON REVIEWS

[i Shank u]

wow dude, sorry to break it to you but youre not a gamer, more like a biased little b1tch :(

[progx]

Yeah...ever since your wannabe AAA games turned out to be flops. Now sony's telling everyone how to properly review sh*t games. Pathetic...

[slak]

lmao

[heavyarms]

anyways some good comments by some people in here. Those of you saying the ps2 this and that lol, honestly move on to something better.

[MANTIIS]

I don't want to get started here because I could write a book with all the bad experiences I've had with the system. When it worked, I was in gaming heaven-especially with Oblivion. But, having been through three consoles in less than a year, dealing with inept, foreign customer service, and being forced to perform chip reflows with heat gun, towel tricks, removing the ridiculous thermal pad under the GPU/CPU heatsinks to replace it with Artic Silver thermal paste...all just to play a game for an hour or two? Everytime I turned the thing on and got those lights, my sheer anger at MS grew. "How dare they sell me this piece of garbage, "I thought. The more research I did, the more and more people I would discover whom had the same problem. It was then that I decided to get the console I "really" wanted, but couldn't wait for-PS3. Afterall, I figured, what's the point of having all these really great games if the medium I'm playing them on could explode at any moment. Before I got the PS3, console gaming meant-

1. Turn on Console
2. Wait for red lights
3. While red lights flash, suffocate system with towel for 15 minutes
4. When Solder is hot enough and flowed back to proper connect points, remove towel, and turn off.
5. Turn back on a few minutes later and play game.
6. Worry every second you play game that track marks do not appear on screen and system crashes.

It came to the point that I wouldn't even play a game like Gears of War for more than 45 minutes because of the enormous heat it caused (GPU) within the system. I played Halo 2 more than anything else because it was easy on the GPU. So, I dare ask, what's the point of 360 having all of those great games, if at any moment the system could crash? It was for this reason that I got rid of it, forgoing Halo 3 (till its on PC), and ending my consumer relationship with MS Game Division. Bastards.

[Spinitus]

the x360 is still fighting the war against the RROD. it hasn't survive just yet.

[PimpHandHappy]

on the hunger for a nextgen consele then making a game like Gears of War the following christmas.

its that simple. You take GEars out of the 360 past and u can subtract about 3 million units from there total.

That and shrewd marketing

well and keeping secrets also added to the success! If they took that 1.2 billion out to cover broken 360's a month b4 gears came out u would have seen a much different battle. They would have been in the origanal xbox shoes!

its a good system thou. Fix that RROD problem and i would have no problem buying one for under 350....

thats what i think

[rev20]

Its doing so well basically because of the year head start and the lack of a next gen console around then.

Simple

[felidae]

with all the people i ignored it feels much better to read the news on N4G :-)

[Bullseye]

ignore everyone except yourself! That way you will always hear the comments YOU like. This is a forum for all views not just your own.Yes some people can annoy with their views, but through that,if your'e careful, you can begin to see others views as being just as valid as your own. See how it works now?

[Gamer13]

Is still surviving because of the mindblowing amount of games it has and the amazing Live service which is pack with demos trailers arcade game etc alot more, right now xbox360 is in a strong position.

[leon76]

No man, Xbox 360 is still surviving because of microsoft propaganda and money. They are paying for exclusives like bioshock, that's was predicted for the ps3, and then cancelled, for exclusive content for GTA4;they don't mind of gamers with the deffective xbox; they are continous hyping games like halo; the total contribution of games sites, that overrated reviews of Xbox games (pe Bioshock, it's a good game, i have it for the pc, but is not an marvellous game, far from it, and not the most spectacular game of all times like a lot said). Those and more are the reasons that xbox is still surviving...in the us, because in europe and japan is fading away!!!!!!!!

[Z501]

Nuff said *(PS3 owner)btw

[IRONMAN_X57]

imagin if ps3 released the same day as 360, it would get slaughtered, and its funny because it is now, LMAO

BTW I SHANK U, no need to comment to my post, cant see your stupid comments

[caffman]

Just wondering.........

[Wile]

EDIT: I thought it better to delete this post.

[steriotyp]

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[Z501]

everyone knew the first Xbox was about to bite the bullet.& people did'nt know when the PS3 & Wii was going to be released,and thus people did'nt want to wait.Now,coupled with all the money the average 360 consumer has put into his/her console,automatically = success,regardless of RROD's.Good games or a variety of games is'nt an issue when there's no comp & a year headstart.You'll pay for anything.
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[FirstknighT]

Well it's pretty easy to explain why the 360 has not only survived the next gen, but been a success as well. One of the greatest gaming launches in history that included many highly rated games. AAA exclusives that can't be match. A variety that easily fits any games needs. Brand new franchises like Gears of War, Dead Rising, Crackdown, Bioshock, etc...shows that the 360 is not relying on old favorites. Also the lackluster gaming library of the ps3 has also helped out with the success of the 360.

[mighty_douche]

i doubt bills bank balance will agree with you there.... how many BILLIONS down?

[TheExecutive]

The 360 is hardly a success. 12 million consoles in two years isnt a success. The reason it is suviving so long is that MS has the money to throw at it, not "great" games. If the console and its games are so great why hasnt it sold over 6 million consoles A YEAR. Give me a break.

I do think that the 360 is a viable competitor in the gaming industry and its very badly needed. I just dont agree that it has been any kind of success so far. The numbers just dont show it, especially in other regions.

[TheMART]

Uhm.... So selling 4 to max. 5 million PS3's in almost a year then suddenly is a succes???

12 million consoles sold now, even if we accounted 2 years for 360 and 1 for PS3, that's 6 million sold in one year for 360 and 4 to 5 million for the PS3. Uhmmm... Yeah... right... Worthless comment dude.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

the ps3 is selling well worldwide..the 360 sales have dropped since the wii and the ps3 came out and nintendo and sony last gen systems are still selling why the xbox does nothing..

[zonetrooper5]

If the PS3 did launch the same day over here in the UK then it would not sell as much as the 30, reason why, the games would be the same as the 360 and here in the UK its overprice by far too much. Why should I pay $800 or £425 for a console which does not have the killer AAA titles, is expensive and has online service which is not that great but good.

I'm not willing to let companies screw me over here in the UK, you guys get alot of things earlier and cheaper for that matter.

[eagle21]

I have read countless reviews on amazon and ebgames, etc, where most dual owners of both consoles, give a better overall experience to the PS3 (simply by the added features and the word "future" comes up alot!). Many 360 reviewers of course do not own a PS3, over 5 million sold vs. over 10.5 so we can see the reason.)I have also read people trading in 360's for PS3's. The PS3 may have a similar bite as 360 but a totally different flavor. Graphics depend on the game/developer. What game you like to play is all a matter of opinion. 360 owners say, "They must not have a 360". That is arrogant, because I have not found a first party game that makes me want to purchase one. I have held the controller for 360. It is a much needed improvement over the original xbox controller, but if force feedback is given to SIXAXIS, I truely prefer the SIXAXIS. PS3 owners know exactly why they purchased systems at $499 and $599 (no impulse or blind "Sony" loyalty at that price guys). Yes, Resistance, Gran Turismo HD, Motorstorm, F1, Lair, Calling all Cars, and Warhawk with Heavenly Sword coming this week are Sony's current first party offerings. All of these games cannot be experienced on a 360. I see Viva Pinata, Gears of War, Forza 2, Bioshock (third party exclusive), Crackdown and Blue Dragon. First party games sell me a system, 360 does not have my sincere reason yet. We can all enjoy Oblivion, Rainbow Six, Graw 2, Call of Duty etc. It is simply a matter of choice. The 1 year lead of 360, and features of xbox live (HOME on the way: FREE by the way), have given 360 owners reasons for implied victory, but this will come to a close soon, and we all need to start giving props where they are due. Both systems are great. No and's if's but's or maybe's. But we are all entitled to our gaming preferences.

[M1am1U]

the 360 has had some top notch games, with even more on the way. They've been a blast to play, and I'm really looking forward to some of the upcoming releases. I think that's how it's survived alot of the bad press it's received from the hardware issues.

[TheExecutive]

I disagree, not that the 360 doesnt have great games because it does, but the only reason why it is surviving is because MS has the money to throw at it. 1 billion for repairs would destroy any hope of profitablity for many companies.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Live. And great games.

I watched my roommate try and set his Ps3 up for online last night. Took him literally 30 min of typing bs in his console. Only to have to go through more bs.

And for what? To get on R:FoM and play a crappy game? No lag my ass sonygirls. I saw people warping around everywhere, and the gameplay is jittery as fvck.

This is your fav online title to play? Wow. Just wow.

[TOM]

I think achievments might have something to do with it for may people.I find myself passing on almost all ps3 games because of the lack of achievments,I know that for many people achievments mean nothing but for many of us,they are a big draw.Games without achievments just seem lacking in some way. Untill sony brakes down and copies MS on this I doubt I will be buying many more ps3 games,as a stat addict,I can barely bring myself to play a game without them.The replay value they bring to any game is just too hard to pass up.
And on the issue regarding lag: as a owner of both i'd say MS might have something to worry about. Take it from me,connecting p2p with someone who has a slow connection like on live does have some lag,it can be very bad at time,unplayable even. But the dedcated network that sony has seems to run great, ping no higher than 40 for me in warhawk.However,even with this,I still find live far better and still worth the $50 a year.

[gamesR4fun]

must have been trying something fancy cause all i had to do to get mine up was type in my wep key took all of 10 secs to get in on some of the best online available. Got my ass handed to me all night in RFOM but enjoyed every min of it.

[damnwrx]

It's coz of H@lo, that's why it's still surviving.

[Descendant]

I mean each one only have like one or two stand out titles and the rest are just sport games, or just multi-platforms. Seriously I expect much more from this "next-gen" era I keep hearing about.

[Big Boss2185]

It's rediculous to even say anything about a console war. PS3 hasn't been out a year yet. 360 has good games but it also has been out almost two years. 360 lacks backwards compatibility and the hardware failure is really a pain. I just got my 360 back a week ago. I like my PS3 though it hasn't seen much action until assassins creed comes out. 2008 will be the year for ps3 i beleive. I love video games and i've gotten past the argument of one is better than the other. 360 has live, theres no getting around that live is great, and fun. PS3 is backward compatible with its 2 predecessors, and (though not as extensive as live) has a free online gaming. and the wii is just fun as hell. Don't under estimate nintendo they have been in the industry a long time and they know what they're fans want, and are innovative when giving them what they want.

each system excels in something the others fall behind in. I'm a gamer and I love console gaming. I have all three the 360, PS3, and WII. all are fun and all of them have exciting games i can't wait to play.

[BlazinEurasian]

It would be supremely interesting to see MS xbox buisness model. When do they expect a return in their gaming department, and how the RROD has effected their expected return. It seems like MS is not going anywhere for a while, since they already have so many chips in the pot.