Crytek boss Cervat Yerli has claimed that developers' focus on PS3 and 360 is holding back game quality on PC - a format he believes is already "a generation ahead" of modern day consoles.
Well considering latest high end GPUs now are only being benchmarked at a resolution of 2560*1600 with 8x AA and still putting out 100fps+, Nvidia and AMD should be concerned people dont need an upgrade to play games in 1080p even if they own a mid range GPU from 2-3 years back. Wonder what they are gonna do if people stop buying new upgrades. Makes me wonder why they even support Consoles?
Stupid dinosaur tech in console holding back some amazing games.
@imvix... Like I said yesterday, you make more money doing console games! PC's most popular games are MMO's. And nearly everything else gets pirated so much that companies don't make much money from it! Freedom to do what you want on a PC is the main thing hurting it's industry! Just like the Psp. If you can download most of the games you want for free, why buy the games? That's why over 60 million Psp's were sold, but only a few titles sold over a million units.
Like I said in another article, games are being developed for the lowest common denominator. PC hardware is so far beyond console that it could be considered 2 or 3 gens ahead. And then the upcoming Bulldozer and Sandy will just shatter the hardware world, the only people who really think console hardware hold a candle to PC will be the uber fantards. Tech has gotten so advanced now and consoles are being left in the dust.
"And nearly everything else gets pirated so much that companies don't make much money from it!" Source please. And no, your butt doesn't count as a source.
@AAACE5 Perhaps you missed the latest sales number from Steam. Fallout vegas on PC is rivaling numbers from console counterparts. PSP having no sale is another issue.
you may have missed the other articles where the PC fanboys submitted as proof of sales that as many as 230 million PCs in the wild were capable of gaming applications. So now you're suggesting that 2.5 million sales of F:NV to an install base of 230 million is the same as selling comparable numbers to an install base of 85 million (PS3&360)?
this article is source if you read what it says about the reasons why games aren't developed on pc more
We're talking bout the 300,000 Steam sales of the game. 300,000 sales from a userbase of 30,000,000 is better than 650,000 sales from a userbase of 50,000,000 (or however big the 360's install base is) Not to mention developers get a lot more profit per digital unit sold than retail, so Bethesda probably made more money from the 300,000 Steam sales than the 650,000 retail Xbox sales.
Im going to put it this way, the pc is really more powerfull whoever says otherwise is lying. But that said, theres a reason why many developers make games first on consoles than on pc, i know ppl will not like this, but they are making more money of consoles than on pc otherwise the main version of all games would be the pc and not the consoles. When you see game from ubisoft(AC:2) and rockstar(Red dead), activision(spiderman:SD) then you see my point is valid. And that is not even counting the exclusives that each console have. Not saying the pc is dying in any way, but its not the main market anymore.
cemelc took the words out of my mouth thats what i meant i know the pc is awsome im just saying theres a reason games are develop for consoles first
Your statement is missing one thing - turn on the eye candy, make a better looking and more detailed game, with more realistic physics, and running at 1920*1080 might not be possible with current gen hardware. Turning up the resolution is always a good thing! But if the game is a new benchmark and a visual powerhouse then THAT is the reason to buy new hardware. However, until the next generation of consoles come out there will be little in the way of PC games that will make the average consumer want to upgrade from the current gen hardware.
@CBaoth he is saying that millions of people are buying pc games just from 1 digital service alone....and to think about the sales numbers all together from every service...
I agree that the xbox and ps3 are really slowing down game development, but the problem with PC gaming is the crazy astronomical cost to build an amazingly powerful PC. Its more affordable to have a ps3 or xbox, which will utilise a TV. The comments made by crytek are a little wrong, PC gaming is holding itself back due to its mad prices. Sorry to offend but its true, pc gaming is only failing because of the cost of building a gaming spec PC!
This subject has been beaten to death, after you consider the cost of console games, PC is way cheaper in the long run. A reasonabally good PC gaming rig wont cost more then 700usd. One to beat consoles can be made in 400-550usd.
Some people don't know how to or want spend time and money to build PC gaming rigs. Some people don't want to sit by a computer to play their games. Saying consoles don't matter is like bitch slapping yourself in the face as a gamer. I haven't found an experience exclusive to PC that has surpassed any console gaming experience I have had.
360 is the least common denominator of course we knew it already k thanks.
And how much is the difference between 360 and the PS3. I assure you its quite piddly when compared to the massive difference between even the entry level hardware of today and Consoles. In fact PS3 and 360 are trading blows when it comes to multiplats, only when it comes to exclusives does the PS3 gain a small lead even that is largely due to Sony investing so much resources into the exclusives.
"only when it comes to exclusives does the PS3 gain a small lead" Small lead!!!??? until now there is no xbox360 game that looks better than killzone2 + u have Uc2 and the mindblowing gow3 and u still say small lead.
lol not a small lead, definitely a major ramp in the lead in the graphics/gameplay department.
I won't argue that. Imo 360 going off letter grades would be an F at this point in time. Ps3 would be a D+ PC would be spread out across all grades.
You don't see that by looking at multiplats you are looking at the lowest denominator?
Cryreck is just mad they cant compete with COD, HALO, AND PS3 EXCLUSIVES... Look Pc gaming is great in terms of graphics but what must have exclusives do they have? Starcraft and warcraft and doom... other than that the PC lacks AAA titles... The crown goes to the PS3 interms of AAA exclusives and it managed to do this with inferior hardware...
It's a small lead when compared to the lead PC has, I think that is the point he tried to make. But I don't think it's fair to blame consoles for their old hardware, it's better to blame the developers (read: publishers) for not focusing their time on the PC version (just like you can blame them for not focusing on the PS3 for those multiplatform games). It's a shame Crytek can't focus exclusively on PC anymore but at the same time I'm interested to see what they can do with old hardware.
Though the man in the interview used the term "creative expression." I feel what he truly meant was "high-end realistic graphics." There is a big difference. It's never been an argument as to what platform has the greatest potential in terms of horse-power. That's because the PC, rather than relying on a fixed hardware map, can constantly be upgrading to get the maximum out of itself. Nothing wrong with that. I think this individual's comments are true but represent a flaw in mindset. To him, graphics seem to equal quality and that just isn't true at all. In fact, if you think that the greatest triumph of PC gaming is getting higher resolution or more Frames Per Second or better textures then you aren't doing the system any favors. There is a brilliant sense of freedom with the PC. This freedom is the reason it's the platform of choice of Indie devs. Things like the sense of community and the free exchange of user generated content are things that consoles have only scratched the surface of recently. "A generation ahead" in terms of power? Sure. "A generation ahead" in terms of game quality? That's open to interpretation, but as it stands, I don't buy that.
Of course "easily a generation ahead" refers entirely to the technology. If none of us were interested in the technology, we'd still be playing NTSC resolution on a Super Nintendo.
I never said that no one was interested in tech. Being interested in and trying to push the tech is fine, but to assume and suggest tech is the make or break point of the PC or even game design as a whole is absurd.
well crytek ps3 and 360 is where the money is at partna and pc will always be generation ahead its upgradeable consoles are closed off
So why is it most console devs are making losses? with sales slacking and going down? Infact Blizzard alone is making more money then Microsoft & Sony combined. Lets not even count Sony since they hardly even make a profit.
Blizzard makes money because their biggest seller, World of Warcraft, can be played on a wide range of PC setups, but it isn't a game that is graphically groundbreaking. The best PCs are the explorers of new territories, while the consoles and common PCs are the civilizations of the gaming world.
most ports are dx9 which is bad since dx11 cards are every where
This is the reason winxp is holding pc back as well
yeah, i think people are nervous to upgrade to 7 because of vista's horror stories. i'm still on xp right now but i plan on going to 7 as soon as a find a good deal on the pro x64 version.
Windows 7 is much better than Vista. I upgraded to Windows 7 64 Ultimate.
LOL PC gaming is being held back by PC gamers, not consoles. It's called piracy kids, and it's the fault of the PC industry itself.
Thing is no one wants to spend £££ (or $$$) on a gaming pc; for the price of a rig u can buy both a PS3 and a 360 and that's why they're so popular. Also pc gamers keep saying u can build a rig for a lot less than buying one ready made but most people dont know how to do that nor have the time. "A lot nowadays don't consider PC a big issue any more; their [sales] expectations are nowhere near what they are for the console versions" > this has got something to do with piracy which is another reason why consoles will always dominate; games that were exclusive to pc (like Battlefield and Crysis) are coming over to console for more sales.
Piracy on consoles is just as rampant. It's just that when you look at the ratio of pirated copies and total sold, the ratio for consoles is much smaller. And regarding how much it costs, that has been argued to death so I'm not going to bother.
@ substance101 I don't think it's a "small lead" , the games are noticeable better and have more action on them than games that preceded it.
I blame the devs for not making any use whatsoever of all that power and current gen gaming PC's have. Have nay of you seen NVIDIA's new GTX580? dam! that things insane. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... The only ones making use of these technologies are the users who them mod the games.
I think consoles are good enough for my gaming need. Of course games look better on PC, but consoles are good too, it's not like Mass Effect 2 on my 360 is a totally different game from Pc's version. I only have a 2 year old PC, good enough for MMOs.
I could max out Mass Effect 2 on PC at 1080p with an overclocked 4850, a rather dated card (have an overclocked GTX 460 1 GB now). Bioware's PC optimization was excellent. I tried the 360 demo and erased it. I can't go back after experiencing the PC version. The kb/m also made a huge difference in sniping with my Infiltrator character.
High end PCs will always be a generation ahead of fixed spec consoles. Next gen consoles will be designed around current gen PC tech. That is a no brainer. The only thing really disruptive going on in consoles is The Cell BE. After 5 years it is still a powerful processor for current standards. But the important question is: ultimately does it matter? the gamecube 1.5 aka Wii is still the best selling console. That speak volumes. Crytek should stop talking garbage. 90+ rated games and such. How is Crysis 2 PS3 SKU going Crytek?
Nobody knows how Crysis 2 PS3 is coming along. Just like nobody knows how Crysis 2 PC is coming along. The only version we have ever seen gameplay footage of is the 360 version. And that doesn't bode too well in my book.
they've shown pc footage. You can tell when they are using keyboard and mouse vs gamepad, also that multiplayer footage was much faster on the pc version.
Most of the Crysis 2 footage from E3 was PC footage, even if some of it was the 360 build running on PC. I remember a video of them running the '360 version' and it crashed to a Windows desktop in the middle of the demo.
Tell us something we don't already know! Seriously, there's nothing out there I can't run on my PC with the highest settings and 4x AA 16x AF at 1080p. Even in Crysis I average about 35fps on Enthusiast @1080p. Also my rig isn't the most powerful but it's not an average one either. I just hope that Crysis 2 is much better it'd give me a reason to buy another 5850. Specs: Core i7 860 @2.8GHz Overclocked to 3.8GHz ATI 5850 Overclocked 8GB RAM @1600 The Cell and that old ass PowerPC CPU in the Xbox 360 don't hold a candle compared to the i7 let alone those crappy outdated GPUs.
when pc gamers max out every game and complain if it doesn't run at 60 fps, why bother making something that needs more than a 5850?
What are you getting with Metro 2033?
why would he go on record and say this? Crysis sold quite well, comparable to any console title except maybe halo and call of duty and still he goes on about this nonsense? Microsoft created this multiplat world, it is what it is but I still feel like the experience on pc is quite far ahead. Also, nobody wants to spend a fortune to play games on pc, and you dont have too these days. I notice a pattern though, every time a dev gets in bed with microsoft they make these comments. I think the next big step for pc is for valve to buy up some more dev teams, have them make some biased comments to support the pc.
The whole gen system is so loosely defined its just stupid. I mean hardware wise the wii is more similar to the ps2 than the hd consoles, yet the ps2 doesnt count even though sony are still selling them just because they offer a hd option. That does not make sense to me. OT: The majority of gamers just want to play fun games and just want them to work. The people who are willing to mess around with drivers and buy new components are a small minority so you cant really blame most developers for focusing on the bigger market. Then again pc gamers shouldnt complain, this year they got a goty contender, starcraft 2, when was the last time that happened?
every year? PC gaming is not a small minority, even if you only count the type of games also on console. It still makes sense to go multiplat when they can though.
Pc development is far more complicated than console development, because there is no defined hardware. This is why in the beginning of this generation a lot of pc games was ported to the xbox and not the other way around, and when you go from xbox to pc the pc version suffers ie me2. shure the pc version was superior but it could have been vastly superior.
RED ATER!!!! XBOX360 TROLLING RED ALERT!!! Come on, this getting iritating, look all those people who has right about the games like Killzone 2 or GOW3 grafcihs/visual or physich never seen on the 360. And those trolling disagree getting frustrations by many people and the N4G staff do nothing about those trolling winps. Good luck!!
Yes Yes Real Killer. The PS3 is the most powerful system in the known universe.....nothing matches it....
How could it not be a generation ahead?? New video cards are released almost every 6months. New hardware comes out every few months so it's constantly upgraded. But how has the money to keep up with the advancement all the time??
Who overhauls their computer every year? I sure don't. I add one major new component every 2-3 years. I'm going to be getting a new GPU in early 2011 which will happily keep me set until 2014. Old tech is boring :)
. http://www.brightsideofnews... this should be in games now but the devs won't use it!! http://www.youtube.com/watc... PCIe 3.0 coming http://www.engadget.com/201...
These PC elitists are sickening. I'm willing to bet no one on here can afford all those dumb ass specs and resolution they spit out. If PC was so relevant you wouldn't hear devs complain about piracy so much.
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@Lord Gunchrote There's so much wrong in your statement it made me facepalm... Try looking at places other than N4G for once in your life.
even if you are developing game's for the PC not everyone is going to have a top notch Rig, no do you need one. that's not a problem @ all the reason being they can make the game requirement's Min. and optimal. Where the PS3 and the Xbo360 are both High end system's in their own right have no option to replace the GPU or the Ram. but that's not really a problem anyway. the Market is taylored for each area the PC market overlaps with the game console market because the PC can play game's but many use their PC for game's but no where needing the upper high end spec's. where in console gaming you already have the High end spec's for game consoles. there is a clear indication that this generation changed quite a bit of thing's over the prev. Generation's an that is These game consoles can now run game's that would in prev. Generation's, would have only been capable of "ONLY" able to run on a PC. that's not a problem since the developer's want more Money anyway. Next generation will become more more the Baseline has shifted from Only PC to be just about every platform even Mobile devices..I mean when a handheld Smartphone's can run a game like Quake 3 you know there is a big change in direction. the big thing is EVEN smartphones now have Hybrid core processor's CPU/GPU's all on the same chip, yes smaller an in many cases less robust as their desktop counterpart. a smartphone with dedicated Graphics processor's there is a change in how game distribution an game development will go forward.
PS3> PC. Fact. @killalot100 You have no idea what you're talking about. Releasing video cards less frequently does not increase optimisation. Optimisation comes from SOFTWARE. The developers have to program these games to saturate the bandwidth etc of the cards.
I wish they would only release 1 GPU every two years. Not really because of money more about optimization. Pc has very little optimization compared to consoles. Pc mostly uses brute strength to get the job done. I'm hoping if only 1 GPU was to be released every 2 years there would be some sort of optimization. I'm pretty sure it wont work but if devs continue to put pc in the back of the line I dont know what will. Sad thing is that most if not all the best selling games right now came from a pc origins.
How is optimization bad when 4 year old gpus from the PC industry are outperforming consoles? In fact its the console with its limited resouces that is becoming a headache for the developers to code on. They need to make so many compromises to ensure the game runs at 30fps even at mediacore resolutions like 720p or worse below.
@substance101 I bought a mid range pc and a 360 when it came out for the same price. I ended up selling that pc because I couldnt play newer games that the 360 still can. I know for a fact that consoles are holding pc way way back now. what Im trying to say is that pc games would look better if they would calm down and optimize. I am pretty sure if the devs that made metro 2033 were given a pc platform that cost 600 bucks and like a 460 gtx inside. It would run and look as good or better then a $1200 pc using better parts but without the level of optimization.
4 year old gpus outperforming consoles?. LMAO. That might SLIGHTLY be on the paper but if you put everything "4 year old" in to your cabin and run, say crysis Id say that the consoles do pretty well opposed to that performance. Killzone, Uncharted and God of war will be superior because they are way better optimized. PC elitists say the funniest things sometimes. I do believe however that I consoles are one of the factors holding pc gaming back, and the current gen consoles is getting old, and I will build a new rig as soon as I can afford some high end parts. Some things that hold pc games back: Consoles. Multi standards and compatibility issues.(xp and dx9- win 7 and dx 11 and some other things) Piracy.
good idea!! over 2 years Amd & Nvidia would sell more cards at a lower price & better optimization set by a standard of cards!!! then move on to bigger things.. with consoles we are looking at 10 years of old tech.. Moore's law says every 18 months crysis should be old..
I truly believe that if crytek went back and recoded crysis 1 for the new I7 cpu and the new 580 gtx for better optimization. The game would run twice as fast as it does now. If so that whole thing about "does it run crysis" would of never lasted so long. I pretty sure Im coming across like I have something against pc hardware, I dont its just that it seems like sometime we throw hardware's brute strength for something we shouldn't have to. Give pc devs a set platform and enough time to make it easer for them to create badass looking games.
For Crysis 2, we'll take advantage of what NVIDIA's new GeForce GTX 580 GPUs bring," said Cevat Yerli, president and CEO of Crytek. "A supersoldier that needs to save NYC from an alien invasion needs the best tech possible. That's not only his Nanosuit, but also stunning DX11 geometric realism that a GPU like the GeForce GTX 580 can offer for our PC gamers." http://www.marketwatch.com/... wow don't know how I come across these articles! Warface, co-developed by Crytek Seoul, is a free-to-play PC-exclusive military shooter set in the near future. It offers a "cinematic experience with next gen visuals, AI and physics". http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
Gees, this is obvious...I am still running a pair of 8800GTX and maxing out most games (not DX11 obviously). I can't say that I'm disappointed for not having to upgrade my GPU though.