Why it is so easy to blame VGChartz

An article by VGChartz explaining the methodology behind the sales numbers they report and the hardships they face when they are reported.

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MeatPopsicle2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

Vgchartz is the fake sales number site of a twenty something year old Xbox fanboy.

The kid use to post fake sales numbers on the neogaf forums under the handle ioi trying to make Xbox 360 sales look higher than they really were and PS3 sales lower than they really were. The mods finally got so sick of his lies that they banned him permanently from the site.

His lies about sales were so bad that his name and site and now banned words on the forum and you will get banned for even trying to refer to the site and its fake sales numbers.

After getting banned for his lies about sales he ran off and created his crappy little fake sales number site vgchartz so no one could stop him from spreading fabricated sales numbers.

It really is amazing to see just how far certain console's fans are will to believe something absurdly and manifestly fake as long as it tells them what they desperately want to hear.

You just have to laugh at the absurdity that anyone fell for vgchartz's lies about sales and that some little kid is able to:

* Track not just one country, but three entire market around the globe

* Provide weekly sales numbers for both hardware and software across all three major console sales regions

* Do all of this for free

Retail tracking firms are huge companies that game developers and publishers pay a good deal of money for their accurate sales numbers. They have been doing so for many, many years.

Vgchartz is a shit stain on the gaming world. The last thing gamers need is some little fanboy putting out fake sales numbers. There are enough lies already gamers have to put up already.

ct032985d ago

At least read the article. Their methodology for estimating sales numbers is described very well and makes a lot of sense.

Of course these estimates differ from actual tracking data. That's why they're estimates.

Biggest2985d ago

What are they being blamed for? Inaccuracy? They're estimates. Don't be sad that estimates aren't accurate, VGChartz people. Why people are sad to be what they are is beyond me. If you don't like how people perceive you. . . STOP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Don't expect sympathy for continuing to do what you're known and disliked for doing.

WaggleLOL2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

Estimates? No...

Vgchartz pathetic fanboy game is:

* Leverage Microsoft being the only console maker that still uses shipment numbers instead of actual console sales.

* Use the extra 2-3 million shipment numbers for 360 consoles to pad out 360 sales. Usually in Europe because that is the region with the least amount of reliable sales data

* Inflate 360 sales numbers as far as the kid making them up thinks he can get away with. Often this has him making up 360 sales that are higher than the actual known shipment numbers for the 360

* Do the opposite for PS3 sales. As low as he thinks he can get away with. Even if the numbers are lower than months old legitimate sales data

* As soon as real sales numbers come out he rushes back to his numbers and silently changes them to avoid getting caught by his lies

WaggleLOL2985d ago

"Of course these estimates differ from actual tracking data. That's why they're estimates."

Random numbers are different from actual tracking data too. That doesn't make them 'estimates'.

Vgchartz is a site that puts out deliberate lies to support its own fanboy agenda.

You really have to boggle that the idiot behind vghchartz fake sales numbers has spent some 4 years of his sad little life playing fanboy games day after day making up fraudulent sales numbers.

Honestly dude, everyone knows you're posting here. Get a life. You're an embarrassedly to gamers of all platforms.

Seferoth752985d ago

It is funny that fanboys want to claim the guy is an xbox fan yet they clearly show Wii in the lead and have for years.

We get it kids, without VGChartz you kids could use false numbers that you made up. SO of course you cant stand them.

Just because a site is honest about the place Sony is in doesnt mean they do not count.

Would love for someone to explain to me how their estimates are completely wrong but NPD estimates are completely okay with getting into some pathetic fanboy debate.

Also please do so without owning a PS3. Since owning an xbox makes him a fanboy and gives him an agenda I will assume that anyone that owns a PS3 must also be a fanboy wit their own agenda.

Knushwood Butt2985d ago

That's pathetic if the bmw account is the guy behind VGC.

Still, it would not surprise me one bit.

Dire site, and for the record they are far more pro Nintendo than MS. Sony gets it the worst.

The Source is a raging Nintendo fanboy and he plays a large part in things.

Crap site. Do not click and read their article.

ComboBreaker2984d ago (Edited 2984d ago )

in the end, their methods for estimating the sales is the same as the following:

1. Make up a good number for the 360. Add millions to it.

2. Make up a bad number for the PS3. Subtract millions from it.

3. Claim hardships.

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bmw692985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

Again, you didn't read the article? Go back and read it all and see how stupid what you just posted now sounds.

ryuzu2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

Not going to give hits to the site, given this is VGChartz begging people to play nice lol.

Even MS can't support your numbers hehe.

Stop spamming gaming sites with junk and maybe people will go easy.


Boody-Bandit2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

bwm69 is VGChartz
He probably wrote the article. This guy most likely has several accounts that he uses to submit and approve his own crap and then he comes here and defends them.

Sorry but ALL VGChartz articles should be marked as rumor. It's a shame N4G doesn't have a source called "tabloid nonsense looking for attention". < - that would be a better description than marking it as a rumor.

Boody-Bandit2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

bmw69 is without shame.
He is VGChartz

acere2985d ago

Even Greenberg ripped on VGchartz on twitter yesterday. No one in the industry uses them, no one quotes their numbers, no one takes them seriously. It's a fan run site. Get over it.

TechnicalBS2985d ago

It might only be estimates, but it'll be the closest thing you'll get until official numbers are released from the official company themselves.

Personally I couldn't careless about numbers. I'd rather there be a single console where all publishers including Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft have their teams develop games for this single console. That would be the end of fanboyism and I'd save money in the process.

Eh, only in my dreams.

Zeevious2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

to state your own VGChartZ article that YOU WROTE YOURSLEF to defend your fake VGChartZ is a "Great article" ?

REALLY? This puts you beyond a total loser -- A fake -- A flake.

It only confirms EVERYTHING ever said about you, your "site" and why you deserve no respect and to be permanently banned here!

What exactly does it take to get some fake-a*s trash-site like this banned for good on N4G?

You're article title is the most telling of all...It's not a's a question:

Why it is so easy to blame VGChartz .?.?.
Because VGChartz is guilty and should be blamed!

- You, Brian are entirely responsible for the fake sh*t you built an entire site around.
- You, Brian deserve to be blamed, because you are guilty.
- You are trying, even now to pull the same VGChartZ-class scams, by approving and claiming your own FAKE article is great!


How much longer are Mods here going to feed this industry-blight hits?

Please -- Take action Mods and DO SOMETHING!

This abuse of N4G is deserving of nothing less than a BAN! - Please!

Zeevious2984d ago

not Brian Walton.

There's enough fake info on his site to wade through, we don't need his name to be wrong too...

BRETT WALTON - For afflicting N4G with your constant stream of fake 'estimates' (read outright lies) for nothing but site hits...

Enjoy the truth.

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mandf2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

Because they make up numbers. They have no partnership with retailers for what they sold. Just because you make a website on the internet does not make you a legitimate player in the video game industry. Calling retailers all across the globe requires a large dedicated staff. Just because you have an understanding of how things are tracked does not mean you are an honest and reputable site. Npd was accurate and involved with retailers that is what made them reliable. Nobody in the industry has ever acknowledged VG chartz for being reputable. How you do you make a site and put a Z at the end of your name expect to be respected. You can't even use proper english.

bmw692985d ago

Didn't read the article?

Mr_Bun2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

What are you, the "didn't read the article" nazi?

Weird, partner site of VGChartz actually defends VGChartz? You'd be foolish not to read this article /s

mandf2985d ago

I read the article. They have knowledge of how to track but aren't a real business in the sense of working working with retailers or the industy. They make up numbers based off speculation. Nobody in the industry recognizes VG charts because they are nobodies. They track for no one. They have no partnerships. Go ahead and call up your local gamestop, wallmart or any other retailer and they won't tell you shit because they only answer to higher ups. Call the higher ups and they will tell you they only answer to the stock holders. VG chartz are nobodies in the industry. Basically they are playing house on the internet.

ryuzu2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

So what's happened here? BMW and Milf and prolly some others are VGChartz account to try and spam for hits on N4G?

That's pretty lame dont'cha think? It's worked though, now I suddendly believe Vgc made up numbers - wow. What next, Santa Claus?


Zeevious2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago ) support and approve VGCharts news...just look at their comment and approval histories. That's all the fakes do!

...and you mean the article that first goes to a 30 second AD to get you site hits? Wow, really professional, and not confirming all you are doing is making up controversial numbers to rake in the ad-cash. The ad's plastering both the left-and right and all over your pages in every spare-space also don't admit, in all their flash-glory that you're nothing but an phony-excuse for hits and ad-revenue.

Guess what, I DID read the article, AFTER ad-blocking your a** so you didn't get one single penny of ad-revenue from me.

Given your past history of guesstimates, you claim to call 200 stores for your number...meaning you call at the most 20. Of those stores, you extrapolate whatever numbers you pull out of your a** and that's why they stink.

Brian Walton - Mw69 - [email protected] - You'r 'estimates' are nothing but fake 'guestimates'

Fake numbers. Making up Fake totals. Fake charts.
Fake totally made-up comparisons. Caught fixing Fake numbers. Pretending it's all someone elses fault. Called a Fake by Microsoft and deemed without credibility by EVERYONE in the industry.


Why you are still allowed to have anything from your site posted here...only the administration here knows.

Oh, and Ryuzu -- Don't drag Santa into this...or you'll get a lump of coal in your stocking.

I know that's what everyone at VGChartZ gets.

In "fact" according to VGChartZ, lumpz of coal have gone up, with a 27% rize in coal-ztocking additionz, with a ztocking attach rate that's 9:1 since the release of Kinect-Ztocking Ztuffer in the pazt 10 days.

Theze numberz are abzolutely accurate...until I change them late tonight, when no ones watching.

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milf_sex2985d ago

Its a good idea to read the article before spreading mindless propoganda originated from Gaf..... They don't make up numbers...they estimate 'em.
Sure, it may not be 100% accurate....but its not completely wrong...its not like they report that complete flops sold millions and hits sold a few thousand units.
Its the closest thing we've got to sales numbers (since we may never know how much a certain game has sold worldwide at a certain point in time).
So short - Vgchartz may not be 100% accurate...but they are usually within a 10% margin of the actual sales.
Also - note that they got Black Ops first day numbers correct. Even before Activision reported them.
I don't think they're planning to be a legitimate "player" in the industry. It seems to me that they are just trying to report sales numbers via estimates. Its better than sites with attention whore reviewers who give shitty scores to great games (Destructoid) and sites who review every game a 10/10.
Oh and, VGchartz has a much better community than N4G. Fact. No butthurt fanboys or major trolls there.

mandf2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

Milf sex you think they have a better community go there. Do not stick up for made up speculation. Your name is not appropriate for someone that says they have a reputable website. It leads me to believe you are still a child. Don't come to this website and spew your crap articles then ridicule it's community. VG chartz are not reliable. FACT. It may have been a well written article but it fails once you a apply it. Even it you had the staff to do this. These businesses are not paying there employees on the clock to report there numbers to you and pay for it. You can recite how npd reports there numbers but you don,t have access to that information. The leading fact against your website is you don't work with any retailers and they are not beholden to you.

Biggest2985d ago

Estimates aren't made up? And here I thought they were fact.

Pennywise2985d ago

They are not accurate numbers. They are GUestimates. Give me a damn break about your woes me BS.

10% of 1 million is 100,000. You don't see the as a problem of a represented install base of 30mil?

Just because Michael Patcher is right half the time doesn't make him reliable in any way. VGCHartz is the same.

The stubborn fanboy running the site doesn't even fix his 3million off PS3 numbers when SONY TELLS US HOW MANY CONSOLES THEY HAVE SOLD. I see a problem with this AND anyone who doesn't see a problem with this. Piss off.

mac_sparrow2985d ago

"They don't make up numbers...they estimate 'em. "


Oh, but apart from that I despair at the bastardisation of the English language.

jahcure2985d ago

I agree totally. The article is well written..not taking that away..but in there they say that they correct wrongs..

why then, have they not corrected the ps3 sales numbers as reported by sony themselves..very good catch

Boody-Bandit2985d ago

is one of bmw69's (VGChartz) many multiple accounts.
Yet here you are saying N4G and it's members are lame? Without N4G nobody would know your lame site exist.

Anon19742985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

We know they are estimates, but they're bad estimates. Calling retailers to do a "survey" isn't scientific in any way, shape or form. So how does it work when they guess at Japan, or Europe? Do they call 200 stores across Germany and try to get accurate numbers? Do they have a lot of Japanese speaking people working for to get a sample size of Japanese retailers? And how many of those 200 stores they contacted give them accurate figures and not just ball parked figures?

This article doesn't make me feel better about VGChartz guesstimates, it actually just confirms what I decided years ago, that VGChartz figures are loose guesses, based on god knows what that usually aren't even in the ballpark of the actual data. If they get their figures within 15-20% of the real data, that's a good day for VGChartz.

Microsoft recently issued two statements clearly bashing VGChartz. It's not surprising that they're in damage control mode. "Bu-bu-but they're just estimates!"

Yeah, and they're bad estimates. That's why no one takes your site seriously. Time to wise up, put that university degree to work and get a real job instead of thinking you can make a living making up sales figures for website hits. Just because I couple of news sources quoted your comments doesn't suddenly make you legitimate.

Zeevious2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

by sheer coincidence.

VGChartZ has a long, and well-known history as the fake flake "estimate" site where the numbers are pulled out of some guys a**.

Following Pachter would be more accurate!

If they aren't a "legitimate player" -- By your own words..why in the HELL are their numbers still reported here, as nothing but an excuse to grab hits?

That site needs to be BANNED because it is nothing but a blight on the industry being used to manipulate and incite fanbrats to bite at each others throats....while the guy running it, and his supports laugh with the ad-money you rake in all the way to the bank.

...but if your looking for a "butthurt" fanboy, I'd look for the guy pulling these numbers from an abacus out of his a*s.

So yeah...not 100% accurate, but after faking the numbers, and stealth-editing them when no ones looking, then claiming nothing happened...they're within 10% of the real numbers...real companies know aren't faked.

I see now...every reason to NOT support this trash. Thanks for making my point.

Everyone above gets a +1 from me...

VGChartZ needs to be BANNED!

visualb2985d ago (Edited 2985d ago )

"Oh and, VGchartz has a much better community than N4G. Fact. No butthurt fanboys or major trolls there." are what?

=P and if thats so...
what the hell are you doing here?

wow...this "article" is hilarious =P milf_sex and bmw69, you two have made me laugh =D

what ever, in the end, VGCharts isn't taken seriously by anyone except its tiny community =| stop trying to justify failure

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NYC_Gamer2985d ago

pulling a lot of numbers out the air

The Wood2985d ago

out of the place where the sun don't shine my friend

ethomaz2985d ago

Guys please read the article... explains some things.

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