Shift 2 avoids GT5, Forza bland graphics - EA

Shift 2: Unleashed producer Marcus Nilsson has said that the follow up to Need for Speed: Shift won't match Forza's 60 frames per second performance, but indicated it will be a far more vibrant game as a result.

In an interview with Official Xbox 360 Magazine, Nilsson was asked if the development team was chasing Forza's 60 FPS performance.

[Shanks]

Maybe Forza but GT5 too? what the hell is he smoking?

[thematrix1298]

lol how is Forza even in the GT league for comparison? GT is the king of simulators.

[Chubear]

It is so cause gaming sites and PR group responsible for marketing Forza have done a great job of deceiving the general public.

Forza3 doesn't have 1/2 the content of PS2's GT4 but hey, as long as you attach a 9.4 to it, sheep gamers dont' care.

@1.1
Personally, I'm still stoked and waiting for Huxley. That one will surely crush ANY MMO coming out for consoles... ^--^

[Arnon]

I wasn't aware that the amount of content in a game directly corresponds to it's quality.

Also, off-topic, this bubble system is ridiculous.

[turgore]

nah you are just upset because in GT5 you can't change the car's tires.

[thematrix1298]

To be honest I don't have 360, and I'm not a fan of that console BUT I don't talk bs and act immature. I only state the fact, some multi-platform games look better on 360 I admit it[it's evident due to lazy developer or $$$]. When you have exclusives that deliver bleeding edge graphic then I will acknowledge that. Be a gamer and tell me if GT5 and Forza are in the same league?

[CellularDivinization]

LOL @ chubear for getting BURNED!!! WAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Nice shot kaveti. If you run out of bubbles, just make a new account. Im on my 5th one I think.

[sofocado]

I Disagree thematrix1298. I think FM 3 is in the GT league.

[Korix]

You seem intelligent, so here's a bubble.
And that's coming from a GT fan, who never had an xbox, or played any Forza game.

More honest, intelligent posts from everyone, please.

[Death2494]

Do you not remember how Turn10 kept bashing the hell out of Gran turismo 5 just to get attention from sites? Forgetting the fact that the game totally flopped, Gran Turismo 5 prologue outsold it. Xbox360 is not crappy like some people make it out to be. I love playing Halo: Reach but that the only game it got it for. Well I'm also getting Gears of War 3, but besides that nothing else. I'm getting Gran Turismo, Killzone 3, LBP2, Bleach (if it comes to the states), and more.

[bailoutbenny]

Forza 3 sold 4 million copies at $60 a copy. GT5 Prologue sold just a little more than that at $40 a copy. How is Forza 3 a flop in any way?

[likedamaster]

Bubbles up man.

[RememberThe357]

The hypocrisy is is astounding. All the hating all of us do in these thread and we have the nerve to call others fanboys.

Half of the people giving Kavit props are the exact type of people he's calling out but since he's not talking about a 360 fanboy they are completely blind to it.

And to the people who think the mods are fanboys? You really have no idea what going on do you? This site is almost completely user run. The mods on this site are usually in the forums or in the other News Boiler sites trying to keep them afloat. I haven't seen a mod in the comment section since the first redesign. If you loss bubbles or get your comment closed it's because of the users not the mods.

[nickjkl]

okay so shift 2 will have better graphics because it runs at 30 fps and not 60 fps

if they dont get better graphics than gran turismo 5 running at near 1080p and at 60 fps then we will know they weren't using even half of what gran turismo 5 used

and at sarcasm

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

Gran Turismo 5: Prologue = 1080p mode is 1280x1080 (2xAA) in-game while the garage/pit/showrooms are 1920x1080 with no AA. 720p mode is 1280x720 (4xAA)

Forza Motorsport 3 = 1280x720 (2xAA in-game, 4xAA replay & vehicle select)

[Sarcasm]

Forza 3
http://images.gamersyde.com...

GT5 PROLOGUE
http://i38.tinypic.com/2sbt...

You be the judge. Taking things back in time a bit, famed 360 fanboy cookiegaki thought the Forza 3 screen was a Wii racer. LMAO who remembers that?

@Bailout

"Forza 3 sold 4 million copies at $60 a copy. GT5 Prologue sold just a little more than that at $40 a copy. How is Forza 3 a flop in any way? "

Forza 3 is a full two disc title. GT5P is a "demo" according to 360 fanboys. And to be clear, GT5P is almost at 5 million sold. Doesn't it suck to be outsold by a "demo"?

[bailoutbenny]

I don't care whether GT5P is a "demo" or not, to call Forza 3 a flop when it has sold over 4 million copies is just ludicrous and that was my point.

Edit:
Turn10 is probably pretty proud of themselves bringing out a racing sim that effectively competes with the most well known and pedigreed racing sim on the market in a very short timespan. I assume that better than 70% of the people who will purchase GT5 bought GT5P. That doesn't leave much more room to grow for the full GT5 game, probably about 6 million after just over a year of sales, maybe more or maybe less. The fact that Forza 3 did 85%-90% of GT5P's sales is pretty good from Turn10's point of view. Doing 70% of GT5's potential sales is a huge victory for them.

[Dee_91]

lol jk

but i guess by "bland" he means realistic lol
so i guess shift 2 look cartoony just like shift 1
although they had good smoke effects

[Dee_91]

lol where are you getting these crazy percentages from ?

[Kleptic]

@bailoutbenny...

I see what you were initially saying...but you can't now back track to defend Turn 10 saying 'they are probably happy to release a game that 'competes' with the GT franchise'...

Save that...Turn 10 came out and said they were going to shatter GT5, and everyone's expectations on what to expect from a racing sim...That there would be nothing close to it, and that GT as a franchise lost its way years ago...Sony and PD get a bad rep of being overly arrogant, yet PD has said NOTHING about GT5 compared to other racers...its every other developer and their dentist crying about how their game will beat GT5, look better, do more 'new' stuff, sell more, etc...and They NEVER do any of that...

Then the game released, and then the youtube videos we've all seen 100 times...the 'realistic' damage that people keep hammering GT5 about not having in all cars, then watching an RSX slide on its side for a 1/2 mile with cars bouncing off of it...the famous corvette cart wheel...etc, etc, etc...

I'm not defending Sony or 360 fanboys, or anything...I only get into it when developers do their PR thing with hundreds of chest thumping interviews, then release a product that doesn't come close to what they promise...

I agree though...Forza 3 was not a flop...The game sold well, considering it released in a window with absolutely zero real racing sim competition...but youtube 'Forza 3 fail' and you will see countless videos that are nothing more than funny...and considering the game did nothing to push racing games visually, its very odd that its so bland based on what Turn 10 was screaming about...

hell take this for example...the first video that popped up...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[RedDead]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

lol luck at this cheeky bol**cks. One thing that all Racing games have in common.

[bailoutbenny]

I'm not backtracking, nor really defending, anyone. If you look at my comment history I've stated in the past that I do not like simulation racers. I couldn't care less who "wins" the GT5 vs. Forza3 war. I've only stated that Forza 3 is not a flop and that Turn10 should be, and probably is, happy with their success, and with good reason.

[XabiTheHumble]

Stop crying, its pitiful.

[SpinalRemains138]

Yeah Forza looks like an atari game in comparison. The fact that these guys are comparing their games to GT5 is indication enough of who's setting the bar.

[Dirk Benedict]

i am guessing that this means the scenery in Shift will look better than the cars.

[Neckbear]

It just means a better, more "unrealistic" graphical style, instead of the typical, "realistic", "bland" style so many racing games seem to adopt.

[Dirk Benedict]

it goes without saying "same difference"

[raztad]

I would like to agree with Neckbear, but what has art-style to do with framerates? guy is implying that settling for 30fps they can push visuals beyond what the other two do. At least that is what I understand.

[frostypants]

Comparing Shift 2 to GT5/Forza is like comparing Afterburner to a true flight simulation. They're not even remotely similar.

[RememberThe357]

One is chasing the other two's coat tails. They have to drop the frame rate just to keep up.

[MNicholas]

only reinforces (or even exaggerates) the public's perception of your own flaws.

Look what happened to Turn10.

[Keith Olbermann]

Forza and GT5 look great. GT5 more so. I think this guy is just trying to hype his game and shuffle around its faults. Thats all.

[Klipz-Wish]

I knew it was CVG... this site man :/

[despair]

If what they put Shift 2 producer said is true then its not the site but Marcus Nilsson who's an ass, I mean calling Forza and GT graphics bland?

[rdgneoz3]

Always nice to insult the competition on both systems, definitely make their fans want to buy your game...

[cvflyboy]

this has to do with Ea sports dissing Forza and GT5.... Why all the hate.... each console has a Sim racer... its time to make this Retard eat his words... don't support shift 2 when it comes out... lets put these mother fuckers out of business.... We took out NBA live and now its time 2 trash the shift series and demand a decent street racing title....Im tiered of these game developers coming up with these bogus lies and stealing our hard earned money

[Balt]

I think they mean good graphics.

[F4sterTh4nFTL]

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[PirosThe4th]

yeah like shift 1 right?
Devs are lazy these days... i got the pc version of split second and blur and it looks like crap on 1080p they dont add high res textures ... those only look good on 720p res... all pixalted its way too lame...

the only racing games with decent graphics on pc was burnout and dirt 2

[killzowner]

and even they are nowhere near GT5 graphically

[RedDragan]

Actually Killzowner...

DiRT2 and GRID with DX11 do look as good as GT5, if not better.

Grow up fanboy.

[starcrafter]

@ reddragon
No they don't. They don't come anywhere close. 500,000 polys per car vs. 200,000. Grow up, fanboy

[RedDragan]

@starcrafter

No jaggies

Game set and match! Thank you!

;-)

[killzowner]

@reddragan
jaggies arent an issue in GT5... game set and match, idiot.
500,000 poly cars vs 200,000 poly cars...
GT5 is MUCH better looking than Dirt2 or GRID when maxed, GRID doesnt even support the DX11 API, Dirt2's support of it is definitely lacklustre also. Both those games dont even look as good as forza, honestly.

[RedDragan]

There is no 'honestly' about it.

I have DIRT 2 and GRID. They run on my setup at Maximum and with Mods. There are practically flawless graphically speaking. It is impossible, and I mean impossible, to make out the tiny tiny details when there is a tiny bit of shake applied which is what a mod can do to highten realism.

GT5, the retail version, does have some jaggies. There are exposed on larger screens. If reviews have been telling you differently then they are lying, but that would not be a suprise because reviews are always bull.

PS3 wise... DIRT 2 and GRID suck. PC wise... with the right equipment and downloads, DIRT 2 and GRID are visual masterpieces that only GT5 can compete with. Most people do not know just how far ahead the real versions of GRID and DIRT 2 are... the console versions are not a fraction of the PC (real version's) clarity.

Those games are equals to GT5, if not better. No jaggies.

[killzowner]

I have them too, running at max and with thee ultra high graphics and dargos mods enabled and GT5 still destroys them both easily. They have less than half the number of polygons per car, less high quality reflections etc.
The bottom line is youre a fanboy if you hypnotise yourself into believing otherwise. I own a powerful PC and a ps3 and I've managed to not hypnotise myself, why dont you try?

[vhero]

Got PC version and it looks super even on my old 8800GT Blows the console versions away.

[dragonelite]

He has a point you do a lot more crazy effects at 30 fps then 60 fps that's a fact. But 60 fps over 30 fps any time.

[despair]

yea I remember the developer of Ratchet and Clank All4One saying they tried 60fps with the game but the level of detail and effects they got with 30FPS was so much more that they went with it.

Its fine in most game genres but racing games need to be very fluid and while most people won't notice the difference between 30FPS and 60FPS, its still there and the feel of the game is very different from my experience.

[dragonelite]

Yeah i remember that from insomniac.
But the people that can't notice the difference between 60 fps and 30 fps loose all their standing on input lag. Just compare cod:BO vs bad company 2. Where Bad company 2 feels sluggish and kinda slow Cod:BO feels like a bullet. Some developers say that they want to create a heavy feeling and shit.

[Biggest]

Call of Duty: Black Ops is just created shit.

[vhero]

"But 60 fps over 30 fps any time. " I love when people say crap like this because 60fps does nothing for gameplay. As long as a game does not drop below 30fps you cannot tell the differnce between a 60fps game and a 30fps game. Why?? Because were only human.. Were not robots you really need to get out more.. I prefer features over frames thank you. People think FPS affects graphics but games like RDR prove people like them completely wrong.. FPS is a technical stat that if drops too low will start to cause screen tearing and game slow downs but above 30.. It won't likely happen.

[despair]

60FPS gives a more fluid movement in games and as an avid gamer you can definitely tell the difference between the two of them. Its not a problem for most games I mean like platformers, RPGs etc.

But racing and FPS games don't look as fluid as they could when using 30FPS, I mean sure you can play and enjoy it but the same game running 60FPS will seem a lot different to a person and better in motion. Oh and the human eye can recognize up to around 60FPS on screen so you will see the difference not just for robots.

[sephy 9 2 5]

looked worse than Forza and GT5:P even though it was running at 30 frames. Kind of like how GoW3 spanks Castlevania even though its running at 45ish instead of a locked 30.

[raztad]

Just to add to your point, LoS runs at 26ish, not 30.

In most cases, the so called 60fps games on consoles run around 50fps, heavily fluctuating around that point. GT5 and Forza3 are the exception.

[PirosThe4th]

castlevania runs way too slow... i didnt think it was taht bad... remains me of SoTC the framerates where crap but look amazing... still GoW3 looks better tan castlevania...

[BornToKill]

Cocaine it's a hell of a drug.

[radphil]

Out of all these comments I laughed at this the most.

[baodeus]

so what does the 5 finger say to the face? Classic. Love Darkness and Rich James.

[foss3]

I bought Shift because I played the demo and thought the crashes and effects were cool. Well I played it for a bit and got bored fast. Ended up selling it to Amazon after never playing it.

Shift 2 can suck it

[saint_john_paul_ii]

theres one thing that i like about NFS: Shift, and its the effect of the human body when racing. you vision blurs, you blackout when hitting the wall, etc. its a system that i wished was in GT5 or Grid. other than that, it cant match a game like GT5, even in 30 fps mode.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Blur effect is not real and appropriate for a simulator.

Blur effect is good for arcade games.

[Karum]

I actually disagree with this guy on both counts.

GT5 is a graphical beast and Forza is a pretty impressive looking game too in my own humble opinion. GT5 certainly isn't bland and I wouldn't say that about Forza either.

I think he just embarrassed himself a little with that statement tbh.

[turgore]

I think by bland they mean realistic...and realism is bland like tracks are empty etc. I think Shift 2 will use realistic tracks with unrealistic (and pretty) surroundings.

[Neckbear]

Someone with a brain here! You win a cookie, bro.

@radphil

'Cause realism is bland, duh.

[radphil]

Then why didn't he say....realistic?

[no_more_heroes]

@ radphil

Because saying it this way gets more attention.

[visualb]

i disagree with the choise of words

bland/bland/Adjective
1. Lacking strong features or characteristics and therefore uninteresting.

implying GT5 and F3 is uninteresting and lack strong features =|

he may mean "realistic", but he didn't use that word, he used the word bland, and you cant expect everyone to directly interpret it as "realism"

its not absolutely clear, since the word bland can be associated with realism, or associated with the two games looking boring...

@radphil and golden_cannon

eggs-actly

[Dark-Cloud]

but why the hell they compare gt5 with shift and forza ! are they crazy ?!..
i'll say this again : people getting crazy every year !!!

[Brian5247]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAH, OH WOW.

[LordStig]

red bull's monthly mag that Mad Mike's mad bull quad rotar RX7 is gonna be in this game, f**K yea.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Shift is not even a simulator.

[A7XEric]

I'll take an amazing looking game running at a perfectly adequate 30fps any day over a good looking game that runs at 60fps.

[RedDragan]

Except that GT5 and forza 3 are games that look amazing at close to 60fps or are 60fps.

While Shift is barely a good looking game at 30fps.

You ahve totally missed the whole point of the various discussions going on here. Do you sleep with your Shift 1 disc by any chance?!

[A7XEric]

But imagine how those games would look if they run only at 30fps. I'm not suggesting that Forza and GT are bad looking games by any means.

[RedDragan]

No, instead you are suggesting that Shift looks better than them!!!

[green]

Racing games are all about speed so 60fps is way way better than 30fps. If its a 3rd/1st person game or RPG were slower pace is the case then 30 fps is adequate.

[DXM1]

damn these guys at need for speed are clever as hell!

They post shit about the most popular racer on 360 (Forza) and the most anticipated/popular racer on PS3 (GT5).

Let me just ask you morons, who is your target audience? Do you think Forza players or GT5 players will take kindly to your foul shit?

GTFO or get some class already.

Hands up to any Forza or GT5 player who intends to give this game a serious look based on this fools comments. No one? Okay then.

[guzman]

Shift 2 avoids GT level sales.

[Antan]

I'd be more concerned with get the basic physics fixed 1st as Shift stunk the joint out.

[djfullshred]

IMHO, if you are really competetive at virtual racing, you will prefer a game that does not have too much unnecessary distracting graphics. There is a reason they don't have lots of vibrant colors & flashing neon signs around real race tracks.

[Masterchef2007]

In my opinion GT5 looks better than Shift and Forza

[wissam]

By miles. not only better. why can't people admit it are they blind or something ?

[xg-ei8ht]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Keep the bland graphics coming PD.

I fking love em.

Best graphics, physics, gameplay, features in a car game ever.

GOTY.

[sleepy3]

*console* car game

I think you will see the physics in rfactor, netkar pro and gtr are miles ahead. So much so that HALF of the F1 teams (including Red Bull ironically, even though they worked closely with PD for GT5) actually use rFactor in their team simulators.
http://rfactor-pro.com/
Don't think they will be moving to GT5 anytime soon.
Not to mention PC Sims have unlimited tracks and cars all with cockpit view and the far more setup options including gurney flaps, brake duct size and shims. Also there is the ridiculously detailed telemetry that maybe only 3% of the racing game public can understand anyway, lol. As far as graphics go GT5 easily beats them from what i've seen though.

But in the console space, GT5 is probably the best to come out so far. I personally will be buying it day one. Sticking to the premium cars though. as far as i am concerned the game may as well have 200 cars cause there is no way i can go back to bumper cam.

[killzowner]

However no PC racing sim has anywhere near the level of graphics and content that GT5 does. Nowhere near. There's no PC racing sim with 1083 cars and 28 tracks of such a high LOD, a weather cycle, day/night cycle, track editor, Nascar cars, tracks and official rules, Top Gear content (the track, stig) sponsors and in game characters like Sebastian Loeb, Vettel, joey logano, the stig etc. real time deformation and after all that I could still go on. PC racing simulators have been destroyed, both in terms of content and attention to detail, by PD with GT5.

[ct03]

Don't stir up their little phantasy world. If they think it is the best car simulator ever, just let them.

The graphics are pretty good, and there is a lot of content, but as far as the simulation goes it's certainly not among the best.

[bviperz]

I think we should all let the games speak for themselves and ignore the crap that is spewed from PR/Fanboys.

[bunfighterii]

go for 30 frames? pushing the bar? GT5 and Forza look bland? keep dreaming mate.

[juggulator]

Of course GT5 graphics are bland. They mimic real life for goodness sake. Real cars don't have neon blue and pink streaks coming off of them as they go down the road.

[PandaJenkins]

I would say this is what he is implying though. They want to make the game focused on being visually appealing through the way it is presented. Not something like GT5 or Forza which appeals through a more realistic look.

[Run_bare]

Sound like the guy doesn't know what's he's doing. I like him to say that directly to Kaz. Can't wait for GT5.

[outwar6010]

lol that would only be true if criterion made it

[Evolve]

Are you F**king kidding me ? a Blind graphics and with who ? FORZA?

Enough said.

[josephayal]

MARIO KARK WII looks better than all NEED FOR SPEED combine

[edhe]

LOL - nice to see the sdf miss the point again.

Ho hum.

[dkgshiz]

As was the original shift. I liked how every car on Shift never actually sounded like the real thing, the engine I'm talking about.

[BrianC6234]

I hate when developers talk crap like this. Bland? GT5 is bland? I guess this guy's life is bland then since GT5 looks realistic. Is NFS Shift 2 going to be as bad as the first game? That was nothing special. Why is EA even making a sequel to it anyway?

[yamzilla]

it will run at 200 frames per second and look wayyy better than gt5.....on console...lol....not so much

[ChronoJoe]

lol wha? talking out his ass.

If you're compromising fps to up the visuals your no longer 'pushing' anything. It's just different resource allocation.

Plus what does he mean by bland? at the moment GT5 looks even better than PC sims... maybe not so when RFactor 2 is released but I'm definitely sure GT5 will look way ahead of anything EA can possibly produce with a multiplatform game.

[d3nworth1]

Alot of people here are still arguing over Forza and Gt5 when the article is about Need for speed shift 2.I don't know what they are planning to do that they have to run the game at 30fps when GT5 has all these weather effects running near 60fps. Better be something like 30 cars on a track. I really doubt that it will ourperform either Forza or GT5 since its multiplat and multiplats never take advantage of a console's capabilities like an exclusive does.

[Dark-Cloud]

alosof xbox360 fan boys here , don't fool your self , shift 2 or any game out there will not be better then gt5 until ps4 comes out ... and even if ps4 comes out gt6 will come out and be one of the best games ever ...

[Blaine]

but because the devs were afraid of vandals changing it to Fuck Man, they changed the name...

Well EA should have thought REAL hard before naming their game NFS: Shit--s'cuse me, I meant Shift.

[KotC]

I think I'll just play every one of these games :)

[divideby0]

" GT bland" stopped reading after that line of BS

[gamerdude132]

I don't care about you guys defending the gameplay, but the realistic graphic style looks a lot like Forza and it's boring as crap. If they created some kind of visually appealing graphics, I might consider getting another racing game. I'm more excited for Shift 2 than I will ever be for any racing game that has an art style like that. Just my opinion, probably.

[Voodoochild75]

.

[SpinalRemains138]

This is silly.

Anyone who says that Forza or Shift is better looking than GT5 is flat out lying. Neither even comes remotely close to the realism and beauty of GT5. This doesn't even warrant discussion.

Yet the subtle differences in copies of Red Dead Redemption were flocked to? The Bots are on serious glue.

[Simco876]

Realism is bland now? My god, what are we doing!

Lets all get a Wii and enjoy the "graphics"