With accusations that "everyone's making awful games" in Japan, Marc Cieslak examines what the billion-dollar industry is really like.
yes an no no: there is Nintendo which has no crysis yes: hardcore devs in Japan in crysis. They signfically redused their cash flow over last 5 years... and Hirokazu Hamamura, president of Enterbrain bashes all western customers because they don't like japan games and prefer shooters..that is a low point to call customers fool if they don't buy their product..just make a better games mr Hamamura,
It's mainly big-name publishers trying to reach a worldwide audience with their westernizations and such the ones doing it wrong. Japanese developers and some Japanese publishers, as well as self-publishers aren't in trouble. In fact, most of them are doing quite well. I mean, their games are actually selling more over there, and some of them even get the chance to appear in our North American retailers. The JAPANESE game industry itself isn't "dying", "in crisis", "with a lack of good developers" nor anything of that. Hell, some of the best games this generation are made by Japanese developers. It's just a few big-name companies screwing up HORRIBLY. Yes, with that I'm looking at Square Enix, Capcom, etc.
And to add to that, I can't understand how with the plethora of jrpg's that existed last gen, and how many people LOVED them...why every company seems to want to change up the formula this time around. I'm mainly looking at level 5 with white knight. Rogue galaxy and dragon quest 8 they did for the ps2 where two of the BEST RPG's I've ever played. All they had to do...was more of the same with white knight...
We all wanted these powerful systems and this is the price we have to pay! Games cost a lot to make. These new systems killed off all of the smaller developers, which results in fewer games. Part of the reason the Ps2 sold so well last gen was because it had so many games! Take that away and we are where we are. This is what Nintendo meant when they said we were pushing too far too fast! We are killing off our industry. We have lost developers. Gamers don't want to pay $60 a game. That's one of the reason's MS and Sony will try to make this gen last longer. The industry isn't ready for the next step! Developers have just got a grip on this gen.
Their Games are selling and they're not in a Real crisis but in a way They dont push any real boundaries anymore. Alot of japanese Devs do the strict minimum and reharsh the same stuff over and over again and People buy them. Nintendo does it with pokemon , Square does it with DragonQuest and so on and so on. They're not in crisis because they'll keep selling but they're not pushing boundaries like they used to do in the 90's when they had most of the monopoly in the gaming industry. Nowadays Americans,Canadians,Europeans have catched up and deliver as much as the big japanese Companies.
That is mainly because there's always a big-name company behind said games. And even then, some Japanese Developers deliver some crazy, crazy games you don't see everywhere. I mean, just look at Platinum Games. They're just one of the bunch who try something DIFFERENT. And I, personally, see Western gaming on the same train. Most of our beloved Western developers don't bother to try anything new, but instead simply rehash FPS #7942 or TPS #2376 without much else going behind it. Then again, there are also fellows who like to be original these days, too. In other words, to be honest, both Western and Japanese developers and publishers are the on the same boat.
"Crysis" XDDDDDDDDDDDD And poeple says that the game wasnt influential
Japanese developers shouldn't try to "westernize" their games because doing this won't satisfy Japanese gamers or their "western" target audience either.
Exactly. When trying to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one.
They just upset both sides don't they, for example FFXIII is a half arsed Rpg and a half arsed action game all in one
They've been westernizing their games because the old school ideas and styles don't sell in the west. They can't keep their radical fantasy style nor should they completely westernize their games. They need to keep the great Japanese ideas and imagination and ground them enough were westerners like them. MGSR is the first game to do this in a long time(more thought out gameplay mechanics, less exaggerated emotion portrayal) Japanese gameplay has been an after thought. They need to tone down the flamboyance of their games, bring up gameplay mechanics to the 21st century standard set by the West and flesh out coherency
I'd say Demon's Souls beats MGSR to the punch in that regard. Talk about deconstructing a largely western game style and creating something better than anything else in the genre. At anyrate, Japan is going to be fine. What we're seeing is a transfer from the "old guard" mentality to the new guard. Capcom's main talent has long since exited to Platinum and Tango, Itagaki's is just getting warmed up, Kojima's nuturing his own studio, Matsuno might return after his Ogre Battle remake and The Gooch is about to release the mother of all Jrpgs, The Last Story. Capcom, SE and Namco are rotting, failing corpses that need to either evolve or cash out. As long as Japan's core (Nintendo, Sony, Konami, Sega and Enix because of DQ and the many creator spawned indies) remain viable, they'll be fine.
JP devs just haven't adapted well to HD consoles. Are still trying to make PS2 level games.
Playing Dead Rising 2, so yes. Inafune cant create games so Im glad he is out
look what is becoming to FF DMC *screams* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Is water wet? Last time I checked it was. Japanese devs need to make japanese games and not try to adopt Western style running, gunning, energy drink pounding, bro high fiving, daps giving, Distrubed listening, limousine riding, jet flying, wheelin, dealin, kiss stealin son of a gun WOOOOOOOOOOOO! .....I'm sorry I blacked out there for a minute. What I'm saying is, japanese devs need to focus on improving and adapting their style instead of adopting the western style of games.
The thing is at this point Japanese games aren't even Japanese games. They're not about Japanese culture, but trends. Moe and loli crap that has not heart or soul, just lame wannabe hentai jokes if not straight up porn.
Only 1 person hated the japanese game industry and said the games are aweful and he is out of the business
gt5,the last guardian and mgs4 say no
all the portable games, in addition to the highest rated games in the gen (galaxy) say no too
Didn't we have the same discussion with Western game development several days ago? Did we? Someone tell me if we did or not I can't remember. Anyway, Japan needs to go back to Japan style, not Western. I personally think that if we wanted Western style games, we'd play Western games. I want another game like Infinite Undiscovery. That was a great Japanese game. Tri-Ace has it down.
HEEEELLLLLLLL NAH. I think they are referring to just Square Enix.
I think most of them just have trouble catching up with the high production values this gen. If you want to make a game with good graphics and complex gameplay mechanics, you gotta invest a ton of money and ressources, which many devs aren't able, or don't want to do.
Yes, very much so. The Japanese VG industry hasn't been able to move with its time. Technically, overall, they're a generation behind (and no, just a couple of games like GT5 or MGS4 aren't enough to prove me wrong), and in terms of narrative and gameplay, they're also stuck in the past. That's exactly why most people who bought FF XIII are (very) displeased with it, and even their occasional decent action games (RE5, Vanquish, Bayonetta) even with somewhat pretty graphics, don't manage to hide the outdated 3D engine, linearity, and uninventive and/or twee story and dialogs. Now I understand that, due to not caring about FPS and online, japanese game devs have been left astray from all the technological breakthroughs made in the western industry this past decade, and it's all right if they don't care about our shooters. But they must absolutely send trainees/interns in western companies and/or get some western devs to go to Japan to work with them, if they want to have a chance to survive, at least as far as tech is concerned. Oh, and the Japanese need to stop buying the same shit over & over. Enough with the same copy/pasted J-RPGs and Pokemon games, already! Start buying games with some sort of production value, like Killzone or God of War! Try different genres also! Put in a nutshell: give western games a chance!
If the Japanese need to stop buying cut and paste Jrpgs and Pokemon titles, then the west needs to stop buying incrementaly improved annual sports title#36651, Military Fps shooter# 54328 and shirtless, vaguely homoerotic, angry, one-button combo hack and slash sim #3. As for your rant on Japanese console technical ability, it's all about portables over there. Of course, on console you'd have to be a fool to discount FFversus, TLG and FF14s graphics on Pc. Hell, they even make some technical miracles happen on the Wii (MH:Tri, Mario Galaxy, Last Story). As for the lack of consistent graphical powerhouses, you cant expect a nation of 180 million to be able to compete against the rest of the world. Per capita, Japan does it better than anyone else, and when China finally comes online.....yeah.
I'll keep buying Japanese games as long as they keep making them. i like some brown n bloom shooters once in a while from alot of these American and European game developers, but not all the damn time. Japanese games have that certain style that the rest of the world can't copy no matter how hard they try. you know what Japanese games I'll be buying in the future? fist of the north star: ken's rage(i like the game) gran turismo 5 disgaea 4 kingdom hearts re: coded sonic colors(for my ds lol) the last guardian yakuza 4 okamiden Pokemon black team ico collection mega man legends 3(when i get a 3ds later) and many many more. i love American and European games too though do not think I'm biased. I'm getting the sly collection, infamous 2, kz3, nfs: hot pursuit, and others too.
If any thing FPS and 3rd person shooters are played out. I want more hack n slash and adventure games.
Polyphony Digital alone destroys this topic :)
Hey, im new but this article made me want to get involved I agree with the people saying they need to stop trying to appeal to westerners, i'm from the uk and although im sure im a fairly small minority- my taste in games can largely be summed up as "the jappy ones" (to the point my most recent game purchase was a mint import of ff6 for the snes- what a game!) so from my point of view i feel alienated by some of the recent jappy releases. I- like many, found ff13 to be a huge let down- not because of the lack of towns particuly i could deal with that, the battle system was OK too (apart from the fps names of job classes haha) it was just the overwhelming lack of charm, but hey thats what you get for letting Sakaguchi and Uematsu go (that said i enjoyed Crisis Core and Dissidia). There are still the odd good ones tho, Lost Oddysey comes to mind, Street Fighter IV is ace (tekken only seems to be good on the 'odd' numbered ones so heres hoping they redeem it with 7 haha), Bayonetta is COOL, Sonic 4 was not bad and Mario Galaxy 2 was fantastic! In my opinion they just need to realise yes, its a niche market over here compaired to western games- but if you don't cater for said niche market is it really suprising your not doing well? Most die-hard fps fans A) dont play on consoles if they can help it and B) don't play happy-clappy-jappy stuff in the first place! Best rpg this gen? Mass Effect 2 hands down and weirdly i liked it for most of the same reasons i like jrpgs decpite how Bioware like to mock them. Come on japan- sort it out!
whatever the next step is, lets hope its not more censored tits
I live in the west yet I much prefer japanese type games. I would rather play a japanese type game than a western type anytime If I was given the choice to do so.
I used to not be a fan of Western-made games compared to their Japanese counterparts. But over the years they've caught up. One thing Japanese devs like to do is create new game engines for new games (well most devs, not counting games like mega man) where Western devs re-use engines and middleware and adapt them into new ones (ex - source is based on quake 1, COD:Black Ops is using a heavily modded Q3 Arena engine, etc.) This helps cut costs and shorten release cycles. Western devs make heavy use of shaders and lighting which is aesthetically pleasing where Japanese use it sparingly (example, Bayonetta). Nintendo aside, I'm not sure how they can change this. The Japanese game playing public likes their niche games like MH that don't really have universal appeal so they're forced to create games that also appeal to Western markets but it's hard to compete.
Vanquish, Demon's Souls, Bayonetta are all great games ......
western gaming is because all they make are shooters. with the exceptions of heavy rain , lbp and GOW, fable they are all shooters. gettin sick of it actually. (currently not enjoying halo reach)
I wouldn't say it's in crisis, but the names of the major players are slowly changing. SE and Capcom are still making money, people are still buying their games, but the quality seems to be dipping. However, Atlus, Platinum, and other small studios are emerging, Sega seems to be getting stronger, Nintendo has made a comeback, and Sony is still going strong. The western studios are making the Japanese make room for them, but for every good western game there's a bad one, and the same goes for the Japanese studios. The difference is we have a much longer history to look at with Capcom and SE with a lot of high quality games that a lot of us remember, which is why there's so much disappointment with them now. On the other hand, the western studios are mostly newcomers, with the exception of a few, but EA, Activision, and Lucasarts (just to name the ones I know are still in existence) don't have as much to brag about in terms of past work (not to say they have nothing at all). So is the Japanese gaming industry in crisis? No, but individual Japanese game companies might be.
If you are a single minded fool who loves anime and sh*, you wouldn't agree because you are happy with the low titles Japan comes with. Back in the days Japan were the ones making great games that western would take inspiration from but now westerns are the ones dominating the gaming industry with their games. Japan are just single minded and will not make "change" to their games. Also technology makes western gets the upper hand however that shouldn't be an excuse. I mean playing Heavy Rain and seeing the awesome tools and effects that comes up on screen shows tech as evolved and then recently playing MGS4, they can be compared and Japan can pull off nearly the same effect. Much like Quantum Theory and Gears of War, yes QT is inferior but when you think about it. QT plays EXACTLY like Gears v 0.1, that should tell you Team Tachyon did not use any of Gears coding or whatsoever, they merely used their own talent to make a game that plays exactly like Gears. Japan seriously needs to start making games for other regions and not just for their people alone. Also they need to start using resources and making their games connected to other regions and not just Japan alone. I mean nearly every Japanese game you play has you playing in Tokyo or somewhere in Japan, as you would never see a Japanese game that has you playing outside of Tokyo. Not to mention that RPG's/JRPG's are the ones who normally sets you playing in Japan with whatever era. We are still seeing quite some innovative games from Japan then again Western makes innovative games- fl0w, flower etc:/ Japan is definitely in trouble! Itagaki and Inafune has perceived the situation in japan's gaming industry.
Excerpt from comment: "Japan seriously needs to start making games for other regions and not just for their people alone. Also they need to start using resources and making their games connected to other regions and not just Japan alone. I mean nearly every Japanese game you play has you playing in Tokyo or somewhere in Japan, as you would never see a Japanese game that has you playing outside of Tokyo. " Japanese games have taken place outside of japan. At least most of the silent hill games, at least most of the resident evil games, the old school ninja gaiden games, the street fighter series, the final fantasy series, the metal gear/metal gear solid series, At least most of the castlevania games, At least most of the contra games etc... just to name a few, they were all made from japanese developers. Xino, you need to do some research before making claims like that.
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