Kotaku: A Gallup survey conducted over the weekend finds that while Americans believe the greatest responsibility for keeping violent games out of children's hands lies with parents, they aren't opposed to the government stepping in to help.
See, its all parents. The 4% who said other wise are stupid same with the 28 who says governemnt should have control over that. I guess they should have control over Rated R movies? I mean give then control over this is just bad, why don't they ban alcolohol? Its done way more damage then gaming has, there is age restriction for it and yet even with that people still end up dieing every year due to drunk crashes or drunk killing. I mean why would a ban on m rated games be needed? I think this whole video game is violent thing is getting out of control, just saying there are far worse thing then violent games. Hell, i did a research paper about it and discovered that when big games come out the level of crimes is lower since all these people who were going to commit crime are now playing games that came out. People there is such thing as parental control on gaming console. I think the best way would be to make it mandatory for game companies to ship a big paper saying how to use parental control on the system, and also have retailers hand them out with a purchase of a console, rather then have them try and ban it. That way, as if they weren't already warned, they could keep their children from playing any bad games @below dude i don't even care, i am hoping gaming wins this case other wise games like Halo, Killzone, Resistance, Demon Soul, Gears of war, Call of Duty, god of war, heavy rain. All those games won't be what they are meant to be in the future, It will limit devs on what can be put in the game. There are games out there that aren't rated M like Uncharted and infamous that do a really good job, but still devs are meant to express the way that they feel that their games should be.
I wonder if you'll get disagrees. For the sake of the children, I hope not.
Obviously it should be PARENTS, but Its pretty much common knowledge that sometimes people are bad parents yet they continue to breed like rabbits. I'll just leave it at that, I dont want to get into whether the government needs to step in.
parents its as simple as that and there is nothing more to it than that its the parents
Old people who are completely disconnected from our lives that think they know what's best for us. Duh. /s (obviously)
and I agree that it does, then the retailer has NO business selling or renting M rated games to kids. If it's up to the parent to determine what content is suitable for their children , then it should be up to the parent to purchase it and not the child. I know there are retailers who will not sell or rent M rated games to minors , but there are also retailers that do. Everyone expects the retailers not to sell alcohol ,porn or R rated movies to kids and there are laws against it, so how are M rated games any different. If it is intended for an 18+ audience then the retailer needs to be held accountable to some level if they sell these games to kids. Sure it ends up being the parents responsiblity and should be, but lets face it any parent will tell you, give a kid an inch and they'll try to take a mile.
how about their god damn F'ing lazy @ss parents
If it was just the case of a fine as it is being presented on the surface it wouldn't be that big of an issue. You need to read this entire article here and see what things like this could lead into. http://n4g.com/news/638428/... (FTR I am currently 24 years of age and a full time student.) The overall point to this is that the responsibility must remain with the parent for this simple reason. The government does not know me like my mother knows me. My mother knew that at age 6 I was already as mature as someone far older then me. An as such I was aloud to play pretty much anything I wanted within reason. I am now 24 years of age and have played video games all my life and a lot of them quote on quote violent if you will. Yet I have been told on numerous occasions that I am one of the nicest, most respectable young men some have come to meet. An I am often teased by my friends for seeking a diplomatic approach to a conflict. As apposed to an all out war in some of the mmo's we play. Even with us being in a position to strike the opposition down effortlessly. If games have done anything for me it has been nothing but good. keeping me and friends out of any trouble we could have gotten into and helping me relieve stress. Also I want to give one more personal example in closing. Just the other week an insurance rep called to speak to my mother who was not home at the time. An later on when the rep did speak to my mother the women spoke so highly of my mannerism. My mother had to come tell me right after she was off the phone. Yet I was in no shock because this is how I was raised by my MOTHER not the GOVERNMENT. There are many things parents are there to instill in their children. An as humans not everyone makes the right choices or has the perfect children that heed all of their advice but we try. It is not the governments place to step in a parents place in this situation. It is no different then a parent having the liberty or right to decide if their child can watch a certain movie. As far as aggression being linked to games please. Studies are small controlled groups with one million other factors yet they are only looking for one. I could link a wide sweeping statement of aggression to something over 100 million people do as well. All you have to do is look hard enough. The biggest point here is they are looking for a constant with a subject that has to many variables. In science terms you need a control and a constant from which you are testing. Gaming is an external source. Therefore not a constant within the subjects itself because people are nothing but variables, none of us are exactly the same.
I am happy that you turned out to be a fine young man and a contributing member of society, but what does that have to do with anything? Understand one thing, I've been a parent now for 13 years and I agree that it is the parents responsibility to filter what content they feel is suitable for their own children. This means (atleast to me) that if the parent is the one to bare the full responsibility then the parent should be the one to buy the content and not the child. I don't think there is anything wrong with a law that would prevent a retailer from selling M rated (17+ or adult) content of any kind to a minor/child under 17. A law like that might actually open up some of thoughs "BAD PARENTS" eye's to what their kids are playing. I don't understand how any of this would threaten any of you or your way of life unless you're 12 years old and can't get a copy of your favorite M rated game. EDIT: I also don't agree with banning games or censorship.
Sorry about that the part after the link wasn't in response to you that was to the article and cnn. The thing I wanted you to read was the link. It goes into detail showing what the actual law would be proposing fully. An it ultimately gives individual states the ability to make their own versions of the law if passed. In the end leading to censorship for developers having to bend over backwards to the strictest rules first. Which is why I stated that if it was only a fine for selling M rated games to minors it wouldn't be that big of a deal because that's pretty much in place already.
Agreed, well said.
Agreed, I'm also a parent and I keep watch on all the games my child plays. We sometimes play games like Castle Crashers but I do my best to explain that violence isn't good though. All in all parental supervision is necessary in not just games but in every aspect of their growing life so they will become well adjusted adults in the future.
The law would make any game that portrays acts of violence against human or human-like beings automatically 'adults only'. Even if there is no blood or gore.
Well said, people should be more responsible especially when you are raising kids.
it's so bad right now in America that people and government feel that government needs to dictate every aspect of our lives. What happened to common sense? What happened to parenting? Where did we go so wrong that people and those who govern feel the need that Government must control, regulate and set standards and laws for every thing? Parents, Parents, Parents. say it with me people, Parenting par·ent·ing /ˈpɛərəntɪŋ, ˈpær-/ Show Spelled[pair-uhn-ting, par-] Show IPA –noun 1. the rearing of children: The schedule allows her very little time for parenting. 2. the methods, techniques, etc., used or required in the rearing of children: a course in parenting. 3. the state of being a parent; parenthood. –adjective 4. of or concerned with the rearing of children: good parenting skills. it is their duty and job as parents, having had these children, to raise them, nurture them, show them right and wrong, etc, etc. While young [through teens] to watch over them, monitor the content & things they are involved w/ and doing. there's really not a whole lot of room for discussion. As a parent it's their duty. They decided to bare child and it's their job to watch over them & what they're doing until the age of 17-18 when they are an adult. Is it really that to grasp the idea that being a parents requires parenting and things like this are typical things that fall under parenting?
...a lot of parents are uninformed when it comes to what is inappropriate for their children. When I was growing up, the most heinous game for kids was probably Leisure Suit Larry. It was a lot easier back then to know what was inappropriate for children - sex. Violence wasn't such an issue since it was so pixelated and unrealistic. Now, it's commonplace for games to contain some kind of sexual reference, drug reference and/or graphic violence. Adult content has become the mainstream and I think it just makes it harder for parents to have a firm grasp on what is appropriate for their kids. Ultimately, it's the parents' responsibility to monitor their kids but I think there should be laws put in place to help the parents out a little.
@cb4g back when I was a kid there was no ESRB. You can't argue "It was a lot easier back then to know what was inappropriate for children..." Especially considering how easy it is to find what kind of content is in any game now that they ESRB has been established and rates games not only accordingly but properly. A simple glance at the cover shows rating, the back of the box says all reasons for such rating. Now I will agree that quite often they are just uninformed and not aware of how or what to look at. However 2 minutes of your time by doing a simple Google Search & reading will yield results that would easily educate and inform parents who actually cared to look. In life it's your responsibility to research and understand those things you might not. It's not the Governments job to produce law to protect those who are too lazy to educate themselves.
My son will be 5 years old playing the latest Violent games. I wont mind because I'll teach him what is real and what is not.
While you're at it, why don't you sit them down in front of one of the SAW movies? It won't affect them, because you'll have taught them what's real and what's not! In fact, you can probably sit them down in front of the entire SAW series, then throw in some porn while you're at it while you nip out to pick up your "Parent of the Year" application forms while your 5 year old fights off night terrors. Oh, that's right! He won't get them because you'll have explained to him what's real and what's not. I'm against censorship of videogames and truly think it should be in the hands of parents but then guys like this come along and you realize that commons sense really isn't always common.
"Imagine now stupid the average person is. Now remember that half of the population is stupider than them." - George Carlin
It's funny you guys react like that because I dont see what's wrong with having a kid playing these video games. Most of the kids that are affected by these ''violent'' videogames already have problems in their heads. I've been playing violent video games watching Horror movies since a kid and guess what? Nothing wrong ever happened to me. I never felt like taking a knife and killing somebody. I had big cousins around me watching with me playing with me. I've always been able to make the difference between Fiction and real-life. My son will be able aswell Since I dont expect him to be stuck with mental problems like some out there.
You'd let your 5 yr old play violent games? I hope your thinking changes once you are old enough to have sex, because you've got to be either young or an idiot thinking like that.
I played Mortal Kombat when i was six with my brothers and cousins.My parents never noticed. :( I wont let my kids play violent games.have you seen them lately!!!? They certainly are not the same like they were 17 years ago.
Then when your genius five year old finds a gun and blows your head off I'll know who to blame. Do you even know how a five year old's thought process works?? Apparently not. I can't believe how stupid people are sometimes.
Definitely the parents, the ESRB and retailers do more than enough and if the parent is letting it get to the kids even with the current standards in place than it is their own fault just like movies.
I say places that sell video games should have a set up where they can show a video clip of whats in fact happens in game. This way the buyer knows what they or whom they are buying the game will be in for. Just a thought and I think is a bit over the top but hey, it's and idea.
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why is that even a problem? I used to play mortal kombat with my mum and gran turismo with my dad when i was like 8 years old! XD
PARENTS , same as parents are responsible to feed and put clothes on their childrens back so bottom line is if you have kids protect your children as best you can
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I played violent video games since I was young (not 10 or under young that is)...it's this useful thing called separation between reality and fantasy. Anyone lacking that is a total moron. On the same coin, parents should be responsible to protect anyway and ensure their kids are capable of playing games the way games are designed for: entertainment purposes ONLY. Oh and teach them reality from fantasy.
It should always be up to the parents to make sure thier kids are protected as best they can. They need to be the one to decide if their childern are mature enough to handle the "violence" of pusing a button. When I was younger me and my friends played war we had plasic guns and knives we shot we stabbed and killed each other every weekend. Never once during our play did anyone ever want to hurt anyone. It was all "imagination" very violent imagination but that non the less. So should we ban playing war to protect out children? Some one who agress w/ the BS please tell me the difference!
Norris. Who else?.
I want to change my answer to Chuck Norris as well. Why? Because when he talks, you listen.
My parents gave me no restrictions on movies or video games because they know I was able to handle it and 100% of time I would switch to something that was kid friendly because I was a kid.
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ask anyone who has worked gaming retail like i have, it's the friggin parents buying the games for these kids. period. if parents would be parents instead of trying to be their kids buddy and too spineless to say no, we wouldn't have problems like this. 'lil 8 year old jimmy isn't going to have an xbox and call of duty unless mommy buys it for them.
Its the parents. The fact that the government had to step in is ridiculous. The bunch of parents bitching about violent video games are the same people not keeping tabs on their kids. While mommy is out picketing R*, little Billy is in his room driving Roman to the teetee bar.
Rated M for mature needs to be 17+, past that, it's down to parents. I mean, once you ask for more, you end up with the all the systems being like the Wii & Nintendo trying to parent your children for you and protect them because the actual parents do nothing. No thanks. Sure, I feel sort of bad for the little guys that really aren't ready for that nonsense but play those games anyways because their parents are stupid, but what can even the government do about that, unless big brother does go into effect. Meh.
It all comes down to the parents. Taking an active role in your kids life and monitoring the things their exposed to, is the sole responsibility of the parent. Not Epic. I know work is tough and it's hard to keep track but, well... tough sh!t. Find a way to find time for your kids and know the things that they involve themselves in. Once you have a kid, your life is officially no longer about yourself. Even if you're someone that's never played a game before, now with the invention of the internet, anything you didn't know about games - now you can know. Quite easily actually. But then again, it's always easier to place blame than to accept responsibility. Hopefully common sense wins here.
i think it's the children's responsibility lol
Their parents. Nuff said!
Parents, 100%. Kids have no income, there's only one place they get cash/games from. It's pretty obvious. The gaming industry, with the rating systems, has done all it can, but parents still choose to ignore very clear and large warnings on boxes.
My oldest kid had a job at 11 years old (a paper route) , she is now 13 and wants to work at the grocery store in 6 months when she turns 14. I have 3 kids and I give them all an allowance for doing their dailey chores. Does this make me a bad parent because I choose to give my kids an allowance? It certainly wouldn't be hard for them save up enough money to buy a game. " The gaming industry, with the rating systems, has done all it can, but parents still choose to ignore very clear and large warnings on boxes". I am satisfied with the ESRB rating system but the retailers need to own up and start enforcing it (not all do). Some parents may choose to ignore it , not all do, I certainly don't. A not so Hypothetical situation: My kid saves his allowance goes to wal-mart and gets away with buying MW2 (the kid is 9 years old and we live one block away from wal-mart). The kid (knowing I will not allow this M rated game in the house) trys to sneak the game and play it on the PS3 in his room, the kid gets cought and the game gets removed. So answer me this: who is at fault, the parent for giving an allowance or the retailer for selling the game? I get it, not all parents care, but I would say most do care. By the way, that story was true , the boy was my 9 year old son.
You give your kids the means to buy whatever, but you've laid down rules that an M rated game is not something they should have. As a parent, you're doing your part, you took the game away. Retailers, while they should be going by the rating systems, aren't really the final barrier to M rated goodness, that lies at home like. There's nothing stopping someone who is underage paying someone to get them booze or cigarettes or games for mature audiences. Overall, it's parents ignoring what their kids are playing instead of taking an active interest and, maybe, helping them look for games that are more suitable.
Its almost to the point were gaming stores need to tell mom and dad no, -_- I'm sick of hearing 8 years on XBL and PSN talking trash an then crying because they lost. Plus people wonder how their kids kill someone -_-, maybe because you didn't do your job as a mom or dad? I came from the gen of people that played M rated games at the age for 12 to 15, to me I seen alot worst things then any game has came out with.
If parents spent a little more time parenting instead of waiting for somebody else to look after their precious little offspring, the world would be a much better place!
"Who Should Be Responsible For Keeping Violent Games From Children?" Parents! what else???!!!
FFS PARENTS!!!! WHO ELSE!!! WHO GIVES KIDS MONEY?
However i think the "older" generation of parents still see video games as games for kiddies. Someone needs to educate these guys..
"I'll take parents for $500 Alex" When I have the occasional displeasure of playing with a kid online and its a M rated game,I feel like backhanding the parents. Two main reasons why: 1) Its a Mature game.Do you let them watch porn too? 2) Your letting your kid talk and interact with people you dont know unsupervised. One thing I will say about the industry is that they know theres alot of parents ignorant to games rating systems and such. I notice that whenever I go to a Toys R Us. No R rated movies anywhere or anything else considered for adults. But low and behold! Walked into the store last Xmas season and damn if there wasnt a huge display in the isle chock full of Modern Warfare 2 games. Grandma isnt going to suspect a Toy store will sell mature products.
Easier for politicians to do this unnecessary crap then it is to abolish the federal reserve, fix our economy, put an end to the regionalism crap, and stop outsourcing our jobs to china and end a war that is costing us lives and money.
Parents. And it's "Who else?", kasasensei. Not "what else???!!!"
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